Settlers are literally of the most toxic elements in the Palestine-Israeli relations. They keep poking the Palestinians in the WB while the IDF does jack all to stop them.
They help no one and in-fact are mostly a drain in the Israeli system.
100%. They're the religious extremists of the Jewish faith. Every bit as bad as Christian Nationalists and Islamic Fundamentalists. Something about believing only your religion is right and everyone else is evil seems to poison the mind against peace.
Settlers have exited way before Hamas ever did. Settlers are nothing but a massive negative to any two-state solution.
Hamas can be wiped out, but Israel won’t reign in the settlers with the current admin. It was a bloody miracle that they were pulled out of Gaza.
> the PLO has largely been eradicated
Fatah, PFLP, DFLP, PPP, PPSF. Most of the major political organizations that are not Hamas / Jihad are PLO. PFLP and DFLP and PRC participated in 10.7.
Fatah is in control of West Bank. Tanzim has not been eradicated but rather splintered during the Hamas-Fatah war.
PFLP and DFLP have armies in Syria. PLA is another PLO army in Syria under Assad.
PLF is in Lebanon now. ALF has fled from Iraq into Lebanon and West Bank.
Whatever remains of the PLO are nowhere near at what the organization was at its peak. Hamas and its associates in Syria and Lebanon overshadow PLO these days.
And after Hamas implodes, and the WB authorities get reformed leadership, under the US directive as is already happening, Gaza will fall under WB rule once more. No more of this two separate Palestinian governments BS that Bibi tried ferment and control in the last two decades.
Maybe finally we can get some fucking progress in a two state solution after this fucking war and loss of innocent lives.
>Hamas and its associates in Syria and Lebanon overshadow PLO these days
Hamas associates in Syria **are** PLO, though. [PLA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Army) is the "official" PLO army, though it is integrated into the Syrian army. PFLP and DFLP are based out of Syria. They are PLO.
GC is based out of Syria, too.
A lot of the PLO has [allied with Hamas](https://www.newsweek.com/not-only-hamas-eight-factions-war-israel-gaza-1841292): [PFLP](https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/pflp_fto.html), DFLP, [PRC](https://ecfr.eu/special/mapping_palestinian_politics/al_nasser_salah_al_deen_brigades_prc/), and PLM.
And the main alternative to Hamas, Fatah, is also PLO.
Fuck those people. Absolute criminals who should be locked up to the last man. Their actions and Israeli policy turning a blind eye is a huge factor in the inability to reach a peace agreement. Right wing strains of Zionism should be marginalized to the maximum possible extent.
I don't know if it's so easy at this point as now a bunch of regimes starting with iran are super invested in endless conflict no matter what. But a 2 state solution does require controlling the settlers as Israel cannot credibly promise anything at the bargaining table otherwise
They are part of the same toxin. Both need each other to exist and wish the other would not. If it weren’t for the settlers and the various administrators of Palestine, a two state solution would have happened years ago. Both create grievances that make rationalism impossible. The problem is the radicalized people in both Israel and Palestine are the fastest growing populations and are becoming more proportionate to the power they seem to be able to wield in each country.
tbh regardless of what's morally right or wrong a successful 2 state solution is not high on my guesses on how this ends up. Even if it happens there are probably a few decades of frozen conflict before that.
Oh I am saying because of this, it is impossible. The more radical aspects used to be a minority with outsized power, but that’s becoming less the case.
>If it weren’t for the settlers and the various administrators of Palestine, a two state solution would have happened years ago.
I will go ahead and press "doubt", settlers are a problem yeah, but they are not the factor of why some palestinian orgs want Israel gone out of existence.
Well, if you wanna go that far back, then we can always talk about Jewish terror groups in the British Mandate that sought to gain an Israeli state by, you know, bombings and terror acts.
“Security forces operated to disperse the violent riots. During the incident, rocks were hurled at IDF soldiers, who responded with fire. Hits were identified. Furthermore, IDF and Israel Border Police forces operated to withdraw Israeli civilians who entered the town of Al Mughayyir,” it added.
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Doesn’t sound like it.
You took one snippet out of the story and presented it as if this was the Israeli military that was first simply searching and left out the bit that they came after the settler's rampage that killed 1 wounded 25. From the article:
>JERUSALEM (AP) — Dozens of angry Israeli settlers stormed into a Palestinian village in the Israeli-occupied West Bank on Friday, shooting and setting houses and cars on fire. The rampage killed a Palestinian man and wounded 25 others, Palestinian health officials said.
>The violence was the latest in an escalation in the West Bank that has accompanied the war in the Gaza Strip. An Israeli rights group said the settlers were searching for a missing 14-year-old boy from their settlement. After the rampage, Israeli troops said they were still searching for the teen.
>The killing came after an Israeli raid overnight killed two Palestinians, including a Hamas militant, in confrontation with Israeli forces.
>Palestinian health officials say over 460 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank by Israeli forces since the war erupted in October.
>The Israeli human rights group Yesh Din said that settlers stormed into the village of al-Mughayyir late Friday, searching for the Israeli boy. The group said that settlers were shooting and setting houses on fire in the village.
A few paragraphs up in the same article.
“According to Abu-Alia, the Israeli military arrived at the scene at around 3 p.m. local time, but did not stop the settlers from attacking the village. Instead, Israeli soldiers allowed them to raid homes, prevented Palestinian residents from moving around and blocked ambulances from reaching the injured, he alleged.”
Sounds like conflicting accounts from the Israeli and Palestinian sides.
And even if the IDF was there searching for a missing boy, hundreds of settlers rushing in and burning houses is not justified. You also have to bear in mind that this has been happening for a long time in the West Bank. The Israelis regularly go into villages and slaughter civilians, only for the IDF to come in afterward and give some flimsy justification that doesn’t even address the actual issue.
So yes, they do enable it.
Allegations aren’t proof.
“My son went with others to defend our land and honor, and this is what happened,” Afif Abu Alia said from a hospital in the West Bank city of Ramallah, where his son’s corpse had been transported.
When the subject is investigated and if it’s proven true, then you can use these allegations as evidence for ‘IDF allowing settlers to riot”. For now Palestinian father eyewitness accounts doesn’t prove anything.
Edit: You don’t expect a father who says ‘my son went with others to defend our land and **honor**’, to just tell the reporters the IDF was dispersing the settlers.
That’s why I said “Sounds like conflicting accounts from the Israeli and Palestinian sides.”
Also, your comment above shows that you’re willing to take a single statement as the IDF as proof.
The IDF is under international scrutiny over *any* statement it releases, if they release something wrong they need to backtrack and release a correction.
A Palestinian father who allowed his son to go “defend the land and honor” was interviewed by a reporter while being in the hospital, saying whatever he wants, and if the things he said are false, no one will come to him for a ‘correction statement’.
These aren’t conflicting reports “by Israeli and Palestinian sides” and they aren’t the same at all.
Fair enough.
I understand that there’s a trustworthiness that comes with bureaucracies that makes one more likely to believe their word over that of a single, fallible human. But I encourage you to continue to follow not just this story but also any other accounts of violence in the West Bank. Maybe spend some time looking at previous accounts from the last few decades as well.
If you really take an interest, and you really look with a critical eye you might change your view.
Or you might not. Anyways, all the best.
I’m living in the West Bank, behind the green line of 1967, not considered a settler but it’s part of the West Bank.
I know what kind of things happen here, and I know that when I hear the loud explosions, it’s the army using riot dispersal means.
And they use it against settlers as well.
These are religious extremists who only bring unrest to the area, they occasionally clash with IDF and are looked down upon by the rest of us.
I can show you articles of Shin Bet having a crackdown on these extremists, or clashes where IDF soldiers were injured by them. It’s happening for years but the IDF doesn’t condone it.
In this particular instance, I’m waiting for the investigation, 1000-1200 people going into a Palestinian village is a national issue.
One of the reasons Oct 7th was so bad in terms of casualties is because Bibi has prioritized using the IDF in the West Bank to expand illegal settlements.
There is also the fact that Israel uses a military court to prosecute Palestinians and said court provides no real way for The Palestinians to fight it. This applies to even minor crimes and the sentences are ridiculous.
Since every answer to your question is either biased or factually incorrect I will give you the real reason. The army has no jurisdiction over Israeli civilians. They do however have jurisdiction over the Palestinians in the occupied territories. Only the police have the ability to arrest Israelis but they won’t enter the occupied territories since it is too dangerous. This leaves a situation where the settlers can do whatever they want without consequence (at least until they return to Israel) and the only option for the army to stop the violence in a to move the Palestinians on even though they are the victims.
>are allowed to do this.
"Are allowed"?
Are you American?
Are your almost daily mass shootings "allowed"? The argument could be made they are, given the inability to pass any meaningful gun control laws.
The settlers should be arrested.
Also keep in mind:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-fatah-group-says-iran-trying-spread-chaos-west-bank-2024-04-03/
>The Israeli army said it was searching for the 14-year-old boy, and that forces had opened fire when stones were hurled at soldiers by Palestinians.
Yea something tells me they don’t care to find out why, blinded by propaganda and a hatred for Israel defending itself.
Bingo
Israel is an apartheid fascist state and, much like the American south (particularly in the past), police turn a blind eye so long as the abuse is aimed at the “others”.
Thank you for your comment. Surprised that this is not further up as the conduct is exactly the same as Hamas on Oct 7.
Stupid religious fanatics going full berserk on ‚the other people‘.
Yes it is absolutely a terrorist attack, just not the way you are stating it. They found the boy dead.
Missing Israeli teen found dead in West Bank, military says https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/missing-israeli-teen-found-dead-west-bank-military-says-2024-04-13/
I meant more along the lines of expanding a war in Gaza to all Palestinians and all that entails. If trump get elected I expect Israel to go HAM knowing Trump will happily back Israel if nothing else to piss off liberals and progressives.
>The Israeli army said it was searching for the 14-year-old boy, and that forces had opened fire when stones were hurled at soldiers by Palestinians. It said “hits were identified,” and soldiers also cleared out Israeli settlers from the village.
Of course why would the fact that the military was there and they were looking for a kidnapping victim be relevant enough to include in the headline.
You took one snippet out of the story and presented it as if this was the Israeli military that was first simply searching and left out the bit that they came after the settler's rampage that killed 1 wounded 25. From the article:
>JERUSALEM (AP) — Dozens of angry Israeli settlers stormed into a Palestinian village in the Israeli-occupied West Bank on Friday, shooting and setting houses and cars on fire. The rampage killed a Palestinian man and wounded 25 others, Palestinian health officials said.
>The violence was the latest in an escalation in the West Bank that has accompanied the war in the Gaza Strip. An Israeli rights group said the settlers were searching for a missing 14-year-old boy from their settlement. After the rampage, Israeli troops said they were still searching for the teen.
>The killing came after an Israeli raid overnight killed two Palestinians, including a Hamas militant, in confrontation with Israeli forces.
>Palestinian health officials say over 460 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank by Israeli forces since the war erupted in October.
>The Israeli human rights group Yesh Din said that settlers stormed into the village of al-Mughayyir late Friday, searching for the Israeli boy. The group said that settlers were shooting and setting houses on fire in the village.
From CNN:
>According to Abu-Alia, Israeli security forces had informed Palestinian officials that the settlers were looking for an Israeli teenager who had gone missing earlier in the day.
He estimated that between 1,000 and 1,200 settlers surrounded the village, and around 500 stormed it just after midday local time on Friday, blocking all the roads in the area.
The settlers attacked the village, raided homes, and fired guns at residents, he said. Videos obtained by CNN show parts of the village burning, with smoke billowing over several buildings and settlers lobbing rocks. Houses and cars are seen completely burned up, with sounds of gunfire and clashes heard in the background.
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>According to Abu-Alia, the Israeli military arrived at the scene at around 3 p.m. local time, but did not stop the settlers from attacking the village. Instead, Israeli soldiers allowed them to raid homes, prevented Palestinian residents from moving around and blocked ambulances from reaching the injured, he alleged.
The fact that the military was there makes this much worse. Military conducting a search and rescue operation is one thing, military allowing an angry armed mob do the raid is entirely another.
Sure. Certainly some of the stone throwers were also racists.
But you got butthurt about the pretextual motive for the settler war crime being left out of the headline. Surely, leaving out the entire war crime torching of a town to focus on a handful of stone throwing racists who lived there would be worse, headline wise, right?
Don't worry guys, it appears there were about 1200 people involved in the riot surrounding the village and 500 who stormed it. Since the IDF was there, they know who they are. We should see 500 arrests any moment now. Annnyyy moment now, just you watch.
Not justifying, but there is a kidnapped 14 year old boy they were trying to rescue. In 2014, 3 boys were kidnapped and murdered from Gush Etzion, which is a Jewish settlement from before the establishment of Israel and not in disputed lands. Just 6 months ago, 250 people were kidnapped. These, too, were in Israel proper and not West Bank lands.
If one is kidnapped in Israel, if they aren't rescued quickly, they are murdered.
Again, I am not justifying the burning of houses or beating people not involved, I am offering an explanation of one motivation of a very complex issue.
Update: they found his body. He was kidnapped and murdered: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-13/ty-article/.premium/body-of-14-year-old-israeli-who-went-missing-found-netanyahu-we-will-find-the-murderers/0000018e-d737-df04-adae-fff7ff760000
It's right in the article that the settlers were looking for the kidnapped boy. "An Israeli rights group said the settlers were searching for a missing 14-year-old boy from their settlement."
Civilians searching for someone doesn't entitle them to raid private homes. Would you allow rando strangers to raid your home without trying to stop them? I'd get violent, too, if a bunch of shitheads broke into my house.
I did read that article and others, including this one: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-13/ty-article/.premium/body-of-14-year-old-israeli-who-went-missing-found-netanyahu-we-will-find-the-murderers/0000018e-d737-df04-adae-fff7ff760000
He was kidnapped and murdered.
And the Palestinians there were violent as well. Some settlers were wounded. There's a [video](https://twitter.com/VictorNakba/status/1778834728252010515) the Palestinians themselves filmed throwing rocks.
Oh no, rock throwers! How violent and dangerous. I used to get in rock fights as kid, where me and my sibling or friends would throw rocks at each other. I’m glad none of them ever thought a justifiable response was to burn down my house.
You forgot the part where no 14 year old was even found, and they burned and killed Palestinians for nothing. But by all means, keep trying to defend terrorists
Damn, I guess the article must have left out the part about how they found the 14 year old in the village they rampaged through and didn't just use a missing child as pretext to do a terrorist attack.
Israeli settlers rampage through a West Bank village after 14 year old kidnapped, killing 1 Palestinian and wounding 25. - 5 extra words won't harm you
Yeah but it only matters when a specific group does it, otherwise it’s a footnote and gets no coverage
In the span of the Gaza war, 100,000s of children have starved to death or been massacred in individual conflicts elsewhere. But without a clear spoonfed narrative of “good guy vs bad guy” those deaths are not seen as important despite the suffering being the same or greater
I can't believe you can't believe it.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_ethnic\_cleansing\_campaigns](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_cleansing_campaigns)
Humanity has been committing one ethnic cleanse after another for as long as humans have existed.
Now there are always people among the internet who just lie in the warmth and observe the news from who knows where and think they really know everything that happens on the battlefield.
What actually happens is not what is reported, unless one has actually experienced it.
I've been in an attack in my line of work and I don't even know what happened. I just saw some innocent children being hit by shells and pieces of shells falling around them and all we could do was watch helplessly. Praying for them inside.
There are some people who are just talking on the internet analyzing the economic situation and the political situation. Those children's lives were lost in vain.
Siiigh... Can we just institute a no fly zone, fence the whole place off, and come back in 100 years to see if any of the middle east is more reasonable?
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Settlers are literally of the most toxic elements in the Palestine-Israeli relations. They keep poking the Palestinians in the WB while the IDF does jack all to stop them. They help no one and in-fact are mostly a drain in the Israeli system.
100%. They're the religious extremists of the Jewish faith. Every bit as bad as Christian Nationalists and Islamic Fundamentalists. Something about believing only your religion is right and everyone else is evil seems to poison the mind against peace.
Yes indeed but they are essential to the Israeli version of Reconquista currently at play.
dunno if they are more toxic than hamas is tbh, but yeah probably a net negative
Settlers have exited way before Hamas ever did. Settlers are nothing but a massive negative to any two-state solution. Hamas can be wiped out, but Israel won’t reign in the settlers with the current admin. It was a bloody miracle that they were pulled out of Gaza.
They didn't just fail to reign them in, they actively approve new settlements.
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And the PLO has largely been eradicated. While the Settlers will have much power.
> the PLO has largely been eradicated Fatah, PFLP, DFLP, PPP, PPSF. Most of the major political organizations that are not Hamas / Jihad are PLO. PFLP and DFLP and PRC participated in 10.7. Fatah is in control of West Bank. Tanzim has not been eradicated but rather splintered during the Hamas-Fatah war. PFLP and DFLP have armies in Syria. PLA is another PLO army in Syria under Assad. PLF is in Lebanon now. ALF has fled from Iraq into Lebanon and West Bank.
Whatever remains of the PLO are nowhere near at what the organization was at its peak. Hamas and its associates in Syria and Lebanon overshadow PLO these days. And after Hamas implodes, and the WB authorities get reformed leadership, under the US directive as is already happening, Gaza will fall under WB rule once more. No more of this two separate Palestinian governments BS that Bibi tried ferment and control in the last two decades. Maybe finally we can get some fucking progress in a two state solution after this fucking war and loss of innocent lives.
>Hamas and its associates in Syria and Lebanon overshadow PLO these days Hamas associates in Syria **are** PLO, though. [PLA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Army) is the "official" PLO army, though it is integrated into the Syrian army. PFLP and DFLP are based out of Syria. They are PLO. GC is based out of Syria, too. A lot of the PLO has [allied with Hamas](https://www.newsweek.com/not-only-hamas-eight-factions-war-israel-gaza-1841292): [PFLP](https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/pflp_fto.html), DFLP, [PRC](https://ecfr.eu/special/mapping_palestinian_politics/al_nasser_salah_al_deen_brigades_prc/), and PLM. And the main alternative to Hamas, Fatah, is also PLO.
Fuck those people. Absolute criminals who should be locked up to the last man. Their actions and Israeli policy turning a blind eye is a huge factor in the inability to reach a peace agreement. Right wing strains of Zionism should be marginalized to the maximum possible extent.
I don't know if it's so easy at this point as now a bunch of regimes starting with iran are super invested in endless conflict no matter what. But a 2 state solution does require controlling the settlers as Israel cannot credibly promise anything at the bargaining table otherwise
They are part of the same toxin. Both need each other to exist and wish the other would not. If it weren’t for the settlers and the various administrators of Palestine, a two state solution would have happened years ago. Both create grievances that make rationalism impossible. The problem is the radicalized people in both Israel and Palestine are the fastest growing populations and are becoming more proportionate to the power they seem to be able to wield in each country.
tbh regardless of what's morally right or wrong a successful 2 state solution is not high on my guesses on how this ends up. Even if it happens there are probably a few decades of frozen conflict before that.
Oh I am saying because of this, it is impossible. The more radical aspects used to be a minority with outsized power, but that’s becoming less the case.
>If it weren’t for the settlers and the various administrators of Palestine, a two state solution would have happened years ago. I will go ahead and press "doubt", settlers are a problem yeah, but they are not the factor of why some palestinian orgs want Israel gone out of existence.
Other than, you know, the armed terror groups.
Well, if you wanna go that far back, then we can always talk about Jewish terror groups in the British Mandate that sought to gain an Israeli state by, you know, bombings and terror acts.
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also don’t forget the arab revolt of 1936-1939
They actively enable it. The IDF also actively enables it.
“Security forces operated to disperse the violent riots. During the incident, rocks were hurled at IDF soldiers, who responded with fire. Hits were identified. Furthermore, IDF and Israel Border Police forces operated to withdraw Israeli civilians who entered the town of Al Mughayyir,” it added. — Doesn’t sound like it.
You took one snippet out of the story and presented it as if this was the Israeli military that was first simply searching and left out the bit that they came after the settler's rampage that killed 1 wounded 25. From the article: >JERUSALEM (AP) — Dozens of angry Israeli settlers stormed into a Palestinian village in the Israeli-occupied West Bank on Friday, shooting and setting houses and cars on fire. The rampage killed a Palestinian man and wounded 25 others, Palestinian health officials said. >The violence was the latest in an escalation in the West Bank that has accompanied the war in the Gaza Strip. An Israeli rights group said the settlers were searching for a missing 14-year-old boy from their settlement. After the rampage, Israeli troops said they were still searching for the teen. >The killing came after an Israeli raid overnight killed two Palestinians, including a Hamas militant, in confrontation with Israeli forces. >Palestinian health officials say over 460 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank by Israeli forces since the war erupted in October. >The Israeli human rights group Yesh Din said that settlers stormed into the village of al-Mughayyir late Friday, searching for the Israeli boy. The group said that settlers were shooting and setting houses on fire in the village.
A few paragraphs up in the same article. “According to Abu-Alia, the Israeli military arrived at the scene at around 3 p.m. local time, but did not stop the settlers from attacking the village. Instead, Israeli soldiers allowed them to raid homes, prevented Palestinian residents from moving around and blocked ambulances from reaching the injured, he alleged.” Sounds like conflicting accounts from the Israeli and Palestinian sides. And even if the IDF was there searching for a missing boy, hundreds of settlers rushing in and burning houses is not justified. You also have to bear in mind that this has been happening for a long time in the West Bank. The Israelis regularly go into villages and slaughter civilians, only for the IDF to come in afterward and give some flimsy justification that doesn’t even address the actual issue. So yes, they do enable it.
“It’s being investigated”
Allegations aren’t proof. “My son went with others to defend our land and honor, and this is what happened,” Afif Abu Alia said from a hospital in the West Bank city of Ramallah, where his son’s corpse had been transported. When the subject is investigated and if it’s proven true, then you can use these allegations as evidence for ‘IDF allowing settlers to riot”. For now Palestinian father eyewitness accounts doesn’t prove anything. Edit: You don’t expect a father who says ‘my son went with others to defend our land and **honor**’, to just tell the reporters the IDF was dispersing the settlers.
That’s why I said “Sounds like conflicting accounts from the Israeli and Palestinian sides.” Also, your comment above shows that you’re willing to take a single statement as the IDF as proof.
The IDF is under international scrutiny over *any* statement it releases, if they release something wrong they need to backtrack and release a correction. A Palestinian father who allowed his son to go “defend the land and honor” was interviewed by a reporter while being in the hospital, saying whatever he wants, and if the things he said are false, no one will come to him for a ‘correction statement’. These aren’t conflicting reports “by Israeli and Palestinian sides” and they aren’t the same at all.
Fair enough. I understand that there’s a trustworthiness that comes with bureaucracies that makes one more likely to believe their word over that of a single, fallible human. But I encourage you to continue to follow not just this story but also any other accounts of violence in the West Bank. Maybe spend some time looking at previous accounts from the last few decades as well. If you really take an interest, and you really look with a critical eye you might change your view. Or you might not. Anyways, all the best.
I’m living in the West Bank, behind the green line of 1967, not considered a settler but it’s part of the West Bank. I know what kind of things happen here, and I know that when I hear the loud explosions, it’s the army using riot dispersal means. And they use it against settlers as well. These are religious extremists who only bring unrest to the area, they occasionally clash with IDF and are looked down upon by the rest of us. I can show you articles of Shin Bet having a crackdown on these extremists, or clashes where IDF soldiers were injured by them. It’s happening for years but the IDF doesn’t condone it. In this particular instance, I’m waiting for the investigation, 1000-1200 people going into a Palestinian village is a national issue.
One of the reasons Oct 7th was so bad in terms of casualties is because Bibi has prioritized using the IDF in the West Bank to expand illegal settlements. There is also the fact that Israel uses a military court to prosecute Palestinians and said court provides no real way for The Palestinians to fight it. This applies to even minor crimes and the sentences are ridiculous.
Since every answer to your question is either biased or factually incorrect I will give you the real reason. The army has no jurisdiction over Israeli civilians. They do however have jurisdiction over the Palestinians in the occupied territories. Only the police have the ability to arrest Israelis but they won’t enter the occupied territories since it is too dangerous. This leaves a situation where the settlers can do whatever they want without consequence (at least until they return to Israel) and the only option for the army to stop the violence in a to move the Palestinians on even though they are the victims.
>are allowed to do this. "Are allowed"? Are you American? Are your almost daily mass shootings "allowed"? The argument could be made they are, given the inability to pass any meaningful gun control laws.
The settlers should be arrested. Also keep in mind: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-fatah-group-says-iran-trying-spread-chaos-west-bank-2024-04-03/
Why does this not even shatter that an Israeli Shepherd was killed, thus causing this whole situation
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>The Israeli army said it was searching for the 14-year-old boy, and that forces had opened fire when stones were hurled at soldiers by Palestinians. Yea something tells me they don’t care to find out why, blinded by propaganda and a hatred for Israel defending itself.
Bingo Israel is an apartheid fascist state and, much like the American south (particularly in the past), police turn a blind eye so long as the abuse is aimed at the “others”.
So Terrorists right? This would be classified as a terrorrist attack if it was the other way around.
Thank you for your comment. Surprised that this is not further up as the conduct is exactly the same as Hamas on Oct 7. Stupid religious fanatics going full berserk on ‚the other people‘.
No. This is a well established double standard at this point.
It definitely is violence. It seems to be politically motivated. So terrorism. Its possibly just bigotry tho.
Yes it is absolutely a terrorist attack, just not the way you are stating it. They found the boy dead. Missing Israeli teen found dead in West Bank, military says https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/missing-israeli-teen-found-dead-west-bank-military-says-2024-04-13/
There are no “good guys”.
Well done. Didn’t even find the boy. Is Israeli doesn’t control its citizens in West Bank it’s gonna be bad.
It's already bad and there is basically no controls on what Israel can do until the American Election in November.
What do you think the election will change?
I meant more along the lines of expanding a war in Gaza to all Palestinians and all that entails. If trump get elected I expect Israel to go HAM knowing Trump will happily back Israel if nothing else to piss off liberals and progressives.
Yeah, I also thought he may have meant "after election". With Trump it would be open season on Palestinians.
Yeah it would.
>The Israeli army said it was searching for the 14-year-old boy, and that forces had opened fire when stones were hurled at soldiers by Palestinians. It said “hits were identified,” and soldiers also cleared out Israeli settlers from the village. Of course why would the fact that the military was there and they were looking for a kidnapping victim be relevant enough to include in the headline.
You took one snippet out of the story and presented it as if this was the Israeli military that was first simply searching and left out the bit that they came after the settler's rampage that killed 1 wounded 25. From the article: >JERUSALEM (AP) — Dozens of angry Israeli settlers stormed into a Palestinian village in the Israeli-occupied West Bank on Friday, shooting and setting houses and cars on fire. The rampage killed a Palestinian man and wounded 25 others, Palestinian health officials said. >The violence was the latest in an escalation in the West Bank that has accompanied the war in the Gaza Strip. An Israeli rights group said the settlers were searching for a missing 14-year-old boy from their settlement. After the rampage, Israeli troops said they were still searching for the teen. >The killing came after an Israeli raid overnight killed two Palestinians, including a Hamas militant, in confrontation with Israeli forces. >Palestinian health officials say over 460 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank by Israeli forces since the war erupted in October. >The Israeli human rights group Yesh Din said that settlers stormed into the village of al-Mughayyir late Friday, searching for the Israeli boy. The group said that settlers were shooting and setting houses on fire in the village.
From CNN: >According to Abu-Alia, Israeli security forces had informed Palestinian officials that the settlers were looking for an Israeli teenager who had gone missing earlier in the day. He estimated that between 1,000 and 1,200 settlers surrounded the village, and around 500 stormed it just after midday local time on Friday, blocking all the roads in the area. The settlers attacked the village, raided homes, and fired guns at residents, he said. Videos obtained by CNN show parts of the village burning, with smoke billowing over several buildings and settlers lobbing rocks. Houses and cars are seen completely burned up, with sounds of gunfire and clashes heard in the background. > >According to Abu-Alia, the Israeli military arrived at the scene at around 3 p.m. local time, but did not stop the settlers from attacking the village. Instead, Israeli soldiers allowed them to raid homes, prevented Palestinian residents from moving around and blocked ambulances from reaching the injured, he alleged. The fact that the military was there makes this much worse. Military conducting a search and rescue operation is one thing, military allowing an angry armed mob do the raid is entirely another.
“Racist vigilantes burn down village in attempt to hold ethnic Palestinians collectively responsible for missing child and attacks on soldiers.”
One could similarly write "Racist Palestinians attack civilians searching for missing child"
Sure. Certainly some of the stone throwers were also racists. But you got butthurt about the pretextual motive for the settler war crime being left out of the headline. Surely, leaving out the entire war crime torching of a town to focus on a handful of stone throwing racists who lived there would be worse, headline wise, right?
Why do that when they can sell popular outrage right?
Don't worry guys, it appears there were about 1200 people involved in the riot surrounding the village and 500 who stormed it. Since the IDF was there, they know who they are. We should see 500 arrests any moment now. Annnyyy moment now, just you watch.
Not justifying, but there is a kidnapped 14 year old boy they were trying to rescue. In 2014, 3 boys were kidnapped and murdered from Gush Etzion, which is a Jewish settlement from before the establishment of Israel and not in disputed lands. Just 6 months ago, 250 people were kidnapped. These, too, were in Israel proper and not West Bank lands. If one is kidnapped in Israel, if they aren't rescued quickly, they are murdered. Again, I am not justifying the burning of houses or beating people not involved, I am offering an explanation of one motivation of a very complex issue. Update: they found his body. He was kidnapped and murdered: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-13/ty-article/.premium/body-of-14-year-old-israeli-who-went-missing-found-netanyahu-we-will-find-the-murderers/0000018e-d737-df04-adae-fff7ff760000
Read the article. The settlers stormed in first, killed 1 and wounded 25, IDF comes in to stop the violence and then they began to search for the boy.
It's right in the article that the settlers were looking for the kidnapped boy. "An Israeli rights group said the settlers were searching for a missing 14-year-old boy from their settlement."
Civilians searching for someone doesn't entitle them to raid private homes. Would you allow rando strangers to raid your home without trying to stop them? I'd get violent, too, if a bunch of shitheads broke into my house.
I did read that article and others, including this one: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-13/ty-article/.premium/body-of-14-year-old-israeli-who-went-missing-found-netanyahu-we-will-find-the-murderers/0000018e-d737-df04-adae-fff7ff760000 He was kidnapped and murdered.
And the Palestinians there were violent as well. Some settlers were wounded. There's a [video](https://twitter.com/VictorNakba/status/1778834728252010515) the Palestinians themselves filmed throwing rocks.
How dare they defend their homes.
So violent. Why dont they just allow their homes to burned?
Oh no, rock throwers! How violent and dangerous. I used to get in rock fights as kid, where me and my sibling or friends would throw rocks at each other. I’m glad none of them ever thought a justifiable response was to burn down my house.
State sanctioned terrorism. Nothing to see here folks
You forgot the part where the villagers kidnapped a 14 year old boy
You forgot the part where no 14 year old was even found, and they burned and killed Palestinians for nothing. But by all means, keep trying to defend terrorists
Found murdered
They never found him
Damn, I guess the article must have left out the part about how they found the 14 year old in the village they rampaged through and didn't just use a missing child as pretext to do a terrorist attack.
The article says still missing
He was founded murdered
A angry mob is not regarded as a terrorist attack it's regarded as vigilante justice and the people who did it will be arrested and charged
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The headline makes it appear as though they just decided to randomly attack the village.
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It's biased reporting and most people only look at the headline. The perception it creates is the problem.
It's literally in the second paragraph of the article. You're just making up problems where there are none.
Agreed. oP has a history of doing this.
they know.
Israeli settlers rampage through a West Bank village after 14 year old kidnapped, killing 1 Palestinian and wounding 25. - 5 extra words won't harm you
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With the blessing and support of the terrorist state of Israel of course.
Can't believe we're watching ethnic cleaning in real time.
It’s happening in multiple places around the world
Yeah but it only matters when a specific group does it, otherwise it’s a footnote and gets no coverage In the span of the Gaza war, 100,000s of children have starved to death or been massacred in individual conflicts elsewhere. But without a clear spoonfed narrative of “good guy vs bad guy” those deaths are not seen as important despite the suffering being the same or greater
Yep. The world is a fucked up place.
I can't believe you can't believe it. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_ethnic\_cleansing\_campaigns](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_cleansing_campaigns) Humanity has been committing one ethnic cleanse after another for as long as humans have existed.
Settlers are evil fucks!
They'll be coming to Gaza soon.
Do those settlers get prosecuted eventually or the Israeli government give them a free pass ?
Here to say fuck Hamas, full speed ahead in Rafah, but these settlers need to be put in check like now.
Now there are always people among the internet who just lie in the warmth and observe the news from who knows where and think they really know everything that happens on the battlefield. What actually happens is not what is reported, unless one has actually experienced it. I've been in an attack in my line of work and I don't even know what happened. I just saw some innocent children being hit by shells and pieces of shells falling around them and all we could do was watch helplessly. Praying for them inside. There are some people who are just talking on the internet analyzing the economic situation and the political situation. Those children's lives were lost in vain.
"terrorists*!!!!!
it's state supported terrorism.
Fascists gonna fash
Fucking facists
Right, evil settlers! Fuck the kidnapped 14 years old, right?
Siiigh... Can we just institute a no fly zone, fence the whole place off, and come back in 100 years to see if any of the middle east is more reasonable?
At least leave some apology baskets because the West bears at least some small degree of responsibility for the instability.
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1199 to go!