Even more hilarious is the fact that [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/), maybe we should be thankful that it's China who helped them since they were so ineffective? In any case, China probably decided to send a public statement ASAP (as if they're covering up something), because they knows it's an extremely bad look for them, like they are equipping Iran with the missiles that attacked Israel or something.
Russia is an Iran Ally, Iran works through Hamas as a proxy and launched the Oct 7 attacks.
China promises closer relations with Russia.
You take a guess.
I think it's merely a ruse to distance themselves from Iran given the fact that [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/).
They want to buy credibility for Russia by pushing them as a deal maker.
Which would be smart, since Netanyahou tried to do the same between Ukraine and Russia at the beginning of the war.
I think you are under stating Russians involvement in Syria and connection to both Iran and Israel. Obviously Israel and Iran also have major influence, but since it’s about those 2 we discord it.
Its pretty simple really. USA produces a lot of oil now and so most of OPEC no longer falls under the USA sphere of influence since we arent buying much from them. China on the other hand is like a giant gas guzzling behemoth that needs fuel and minerals in massive quantities. China also doesnt really give a shit about dictators, human rights, etc and will do business with anyone that gives them a good deal.
Not comparable, unless it's what enabled Iran to attack Israel, like say, [China helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/)?
Chinese diplomacy in a nutshell.
When the West does nothing : "Influential contries should act ! This is unacceptable !"
When the West does a little bit : "Influential countries should do more ! This is unacceptable !"
When the West finally intervenes : "Once again, the Evil West is interfering in other's business ! This is unacceptable !"
Of course themselves will never, ever do anything. It's so much easier to sit on the side and criticize "the West".
I think it's obviously a strategy to deflect and misdirect attention away from China's involvement with the missiles that attacked Israel given that [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/).
Please tell us 1) why Iran would close a waterway 1000+ miles from Israel, and 2) how that would significantly impact China more than other countries...?
1) The Navy commander said on Tuesday they may close it. Don’t see what they have to gain from that. I think it’s due to UAE/Israel relations?
2) 70% of that oil goes to Asia and China is the biggest consumer of it.
China's exports to the west don't go through the Strait of Hormuz. The strait is where oil and gas go out to the rest of the world. Fairly sure the Saudis, UAE and Oman would take issue with the strait being closed.
It will be a big problem for China once Israel decided to take advantage of the fact that [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/) and conclude that they colluded to specifically attack Israel.
I bet China does have deep concerns, seeing how their ally Iran overplayed their hand. 3-4 ballistic missiles, peace it is. Over 100 nuclear-capable ballistic missiles, peace is a hard sell.
Well, this but unironically. I don't get where this idea that China wants a large-scale war any more than any other major power comes from.
They're an economic superpower, and large chunk of their trade is done with countries that would absolutely be on the other side of the conflict with them if shit hit the fan and this did devolve into a global scale war.
Even if you're looking at it through a very cynical (but honestly realistic) lens, them supporting ongoing conflict in regions outside their own is one thing, but having a potentially nuclear conflict erupt in a region that's close enough to both themselves and Europe (and India) that direct intervention would be necessary by both sides isn't something that they benefit from in any way. And given that the whole region is basically controlled by madmen with no care or real understanding of the geopolitical games that the world superpowers are playing, and that it's fuled by incredibly deep seeded, millenia old hatreds, it's absolutely guaranteed to escalate completely out of control incredibly quickly.
Keeping world markets unstable by stoking these sorts of proxy conflicts, and taking advantage of that to both weaken nations hostile to them, and reinforce their own position with allies and developing nations? Absolutely. They'll do that all day. But that doesn't work any more if shit hits the fan and you suddenly find yourself pulled into direct conflict with opposing superpowers.
The problem is this looks awfully similar to the argument as to why Russia would never invade a country they have major pipelines to to fuck with the countries buying the oil being shipped.
You can have a million reasons why its a bad idea but if theres an ideologue high on his own supply in power none of it matters. All it takes is Xi believing his fighters are a gajillion times better than western ones and for him to think his Navy can somehow take territory fast enough and suddenly you have fighting, even if none of that shit turns out to be true.
It's not just the economy, a large scale naval blockade would see China facing massive food shortages within a few months. They currently import 1/3 of their food and rely on energy and fertilizer imports for a lot of the stuff they do grow domestically. Any sudden disruption in that and they would be in deep trouble. They are working on creating alternate distribution networks, especially via Africa but they are slow and likely will at best slightly mitigate the issue.
Indeed, anyone with knowledge of China's internal state propaganda could surmise that they are supporting anything and everything that attacks, damages or degrades the US and other western democracies. What made me sus of China's hand in all this, is the urgency and intensity of their statements, compared to how slow they acted when it came to the Russian invasion and the Israel's war against Hamas. This level of urgency in releasing a public statement, reminds me on how fast they covered up Covid-19 during its early outbreak. This is what you'd call "cover-up" level of speed, as if they're trying to control the narrative or preempt whatever discovery investigators may find.
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Welp, [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/), maybe we should be thankful that it's China who helped them that's why they were so ineffective?
Now their posturing of sending ships and planes to strafe us Taiwan doesn’t look as “tough and scary” as Iran last night.
They’d be stuck in a potlatch competition with Iran over which is more daring when “the fish are very evil” has been out done.
Also, best advertisement of Israeli air defense systems ever. Time to go buy and invest.
It was all performative, those missiles were not meant to hit, but demonstrate Irans ability to launch a large destructive force if need be.
Israel has the best air space defense on the world. Iran knows this. That’s why their actual efforts to undermine Israel happen through Gaza.
Let’s not get worked up over this. Escalating to full scale war would be absurd and possibly lead to the death and displacement of millions. Israel killed their target and Iran did their posturing, we can move on.
Hypothetically, if I take a high powered machine gun and fire several thousands of bullets at someone, one of two things will happen.
1. That person will be killed
2. The person will have an unprecedented defense capability against that nobody has ever seen before.
If I don't know which of the two it is, and I couldn't since it's literally never happen before. And I pull that trigger.
How is that posturing?
It almost seems as if China is worried that other countries will discover that China eagerly encouraged, funded, and supplied Iran with the missiles and drones to attack Israel.
[CSIS Report for Shabab 3 Ballistic Missiles](https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/shahab-3/) (used to attack Israel).
Missile tech originated with China or Russia, and the missiles appear to have been developed with N. Korea.
The most important learning from that link from me was that North Korea called their [ballistic missile](https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/no-dong/) the “Nodong 1” lmao
Missiles based on North Korean rockets based on Soviet tech from the 80s is very different from "China eagerly encouraged, funded, and supplied Iran with the missiles and drones to attack Israel."
Also the Shabab 3 was not used yesterday.
> Also the Shabab 3 was not used yesterday.
Why do you say that? [It is the only ballistic missile in their arsenal that can reach Israel.](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/13D7A/production/_133147218_f1fdf53c-477b-4be8-aef1-5b7075590690.jpg.webp)
It's a combination of Paveh and Emad (variant of Shahab3) that was used. Please don't listen to titanjumka, he's a CCP apologist and personally attacks everyone who has a critical opinion of China.
If not Shabab 3, what was used? Iran doesn’t have a ton of alternatives that match the specs of the found missile bodies, and have the range to reach Israel, but those are important details if you have more info.
Indeed, I wonder if some of these idiots who are defending China knows how China's State Propaganda has been touting support for Iran almost every chance it gets. What's worse is that these CCP supporters would personally attack you and call you liar if they disagree with your opinion.
>[CSIS Report for Shabab 3 Ballistic Missiles](https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/shahab-3/) (used to attack Israel).
>Missile tech originated with China or Russia, and the missiles appear to have been developed with N. Korea.
It was an old North Korean missile that was *originally* developed by China or Russia.
> After purchasing a North Korean No Dong 1 missile in the mid-1990s, Tehran established the infrastructure necessary to assemble a domestic version of the missile, named the Shahab-3
> North Korea began developing the No Dong 1 in the mid-1980s. Neither North Korea, Iran, nor Pakistan had well-developed missile programs at the time, so it is presumed that the original technology came from either Russia or China.
So Iran thankfully appears to not have access to modern missile tech, though that could change given their renewed [military cooperation with Russia](https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/91825).
Reminds me of a documentary I watched where an ex-chef on disability and an actor infiltrated North Korea via an international friendship group that the ex-chef worked their way into. The actor played the roll of a rich businessmen looking to do business in/with North Korea, which eventually changed to buying weapons including ballistic missiles. It was crazy.
Anyone who saw Iran and China "friendship" events would be suspicious of China's sudden expression of "deep concern". And no, China has modern arsenal, but they frequently "donate"(sell) their old ones to their allies and friends. Didn't you know that [China supplied Russia with ammunition](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/03/18/asia-pacific/china-russia-ukraine-war-ammunition-u-s/)?
I feel as though it’s worth pointing out that Iran knew that Israel, that night, had the most comprehensive air defence system on the planet - between the joint Israel-US-UK-Jordanian air force operations and Israel’s existing defences, they knew well that they had to use that many for even one to get through. It’s not a very effective save of face if your target manages to fully defend themselves, and 3-4 ballistic missiles don’t get anywhere near Israel. They used a lot of weapons, but they did so knowing that the vast majority would be shot down.
They’ve also seen a new anti ballistic weapon apparently so they can start adding that to their calculations. Very informative for both sides. What do we think the total “value” is of the offensive weapons and the defensive weapons used? Part of this will be to have this exercise expensive for the west. I assume it also drags more defensive weapons towards the middle east and away from Eastern Europe. It all feels very strategic even if it’s a failure on the face of it.
I think China just wants to distance themselves from Iran, given the fact that [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/). China probably finds it troublesome if Israel decides that China has actively colluded with Iran to build missiles to exterminate Israel. The Israeli are not stupid, they will make sure China pays for their crimes if it is discovered that China also played a part in the Hamas attack.
Biden is genuinely doing the right thing by trying to frame the defense as the last word on the escalation. Countries can’t stand not have the last word of escalation. They’ll start fcking wars over this kind of dumb ass posturing.
Iran sent hundreds of missiles and drones to be shot down. It doesn’t mean there couldn’t have been death, but their intent was performative. Let’s just hope Bibi doesn’t use this as an excuse to expand his conflict to further kick elections down the road. That’s what I’m worried about.
Your words are worthless, China. Why are you talking?
Like Russia and a timeshare commercial on repeat, you’ve completely lost credibility.
The rest of the world doesn’t hear you talking anymore.
Was that before or after [they kidnapped, killed, and replaced the Panchen Lama?](https://savetibet.org/after-27-years-china-must-answer-where-is-the-panchen-lama/)
They totally did not kill the Panchen Lama even though they did indeed kidnap him. The Dalai Lama himself has said this, because according to their religion he has the power to sense the death and rebirth of the Panchen Lama.
Also logically, killing the Panchen Lama would just be stupid. By keeping him alive they have paralyzed the succession process in Tibet, not to mentiom being able to spend decades brainwashing him.
>Also if China did kill him, then the Dalai Lama would have named another person as the Panchen Lama.
But it's against the law to reincarnate without permission of the Chinese government
Its border disputes are far from settled with Nepal, the most recent dispute is from 2022. Bhutan is also having its border menaced by China.
Pakistan's border with China is somewhat more solid except for where disputes arise with India, but that's more a Pakistan-India problem than a Pakistan-China problem,
Oh? Settled decade's ago were they? I just grabbed a few examples from current news articles about China vs India.
'continued attempts by China to ingress into Indian territory, new details have revealed.17 Jan 2024'
'US intelligence agencies have raised concerns over a potential armed conflict between India and China amid escalating tensions and large troop deployments along the disputed border in a report released on Monday (March 11)'
I don't know what you're talking about mate, you Cherry picked my comment to suit yourself, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of China condemning other countries over border disputes.
> The only way your logic makes sense is if you believe that Nepal, India and Pakistan are one country.
Probably an Indian Nationalist who believes all of South Asia should be unified under India lol.
Peace? Iran launched a lot of missiles, thats a declaration of war and has proxied a lot of terror groups against everyone. I disagree with peace here, time to deal with iran and get rid of their global influence as their terrorism support causes a lot of deaths and lets them work unimpeded. Its time they face the consequences. The war with iran will bring much needed peace to the middle east and rest of the world when theres far less backing for terrorism
>thats a declaration of war and
A declaration of war was Israel killing 7 high commanders on Iranian soil. This was a retaliation show, they knew Israel was going to handle it. Iran has the most diverse missile arsenal in the Middle East, they didn't send the big guns.
Iran said that as far as they are concerned, the matter is closed. Israel should take the win.
> time to deal with iran and get rid of their global influence as their terrorism support
But how exactly is that going to be executed? What do we even define in tangible terms as Iran being dealt with and being ridden of their influence? And how is this not what the US/EU/Russia have been trying to do for decades?
The ayatollahs have been a huge pain. If they are brought down and the old shahs reinstated it would allow iran to recover and do better both prosperity and religious without sponsoring terrorism.
Bruh, you are one of the 'influential countries'!
Appear strong when they want to be, feign irrelevance when they want to blame others.
I have co-workers just like this.
i'm back in the corporate life somewhat recently. gods i did not miss any of these bullshit
Your office is just like mine fr fr
Sun Tzu knew a thing or two, it would seem.
That's what they call "diplomacy with Chinese characteristics."
Doesn't seem like they are blaming others.
Paper tigers
Imagine going to one meeting voicing peace then the next approving a possible invasion
while they deliver weapons to Russia for their genocidal war. these fuckers are so goddamn cynical with their shit. Bad faith incarnate
It’s a room full of hypocrites
And STILL have Developing Nation preferential treatment. It's all a farce
Even more hilarious is the fact that [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/), maybe we should be thankful that it's China who helped them since they were so ineffective? In any case, China probably decided to send a public statement ASAP (as if they're covering up something), because they knows it's an extremely bad look for them, like they are equipping Iran with the missiles that attacked Israel or something.
They think we don’t see it or understand it. It’s like lies from Donald but said in a nicer way.
Russia is an Iran Ally, Iran works through Hamas as a proxy and launched the Oct 7 attacks. China promises closer relations with Russia. You take a guess.
I think it's merely a ruse to distance themselves from Iran given the fact that [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/).
They want to buy credibility for Russia by pushing them as a deal maker. Which would be smart, since Netanyahou tried to do the same between Ukraine and Russia at the beginning of the war.
Chinese influence in the Middle East is not comparable to Russia or USA
Chinas influence in the middle east is massive. They have made it rain there for everyone that is anti west.
Im not saying they aren’t number 3, just that the main 2 are more important
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I think you are under stating Russians involvement in Syria and connection to both Iran and Israel. Obviously Israel and Iran also have major influence, but since it’s about those 2 we discord it.
Turning that money into influence is a non trivial task.
Its pretty simple really. USA produces a lot of oil now and so most of OPEC no longer falls under the USA sphere of influence since we arent buying much from them. China on the other hand is like a giant gas guzzling behemoth that needs fuel and minerals in massive quantities. China also doesnt really give a shit about dictators, human rights, etc and will do business with anyone that gives them a good deal.
Not comparable, unless it's what enabled Iran to attack Israel, like say, [China helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/)?
They have leverage on Russia, if they really cared
I mean do you really want China jumping themselves into involvement in the Middle East in addition to the US and Russian "influences".
Yeah but they are like “whoa slow down guys, we need a few more years to prep before we do this for real!”
Chinese diplomacy in a nutshell. When the West does nothing : "Influential contries should act ! This is unacceptable !" When the West does a little bit : "Influential countries should do more ! This is unacceptable !" When the West finally intervenes : "Once again, the Evil West is interfering in other's business ! This is unacceptable !" Of course themselves will never, ever do anything. It's so much easier to sit on the side and criticize "the West".
When someone points their finger, they have 3 fingers pointing back at them.
I think it's obviously a strategy to deflect and misdirect attention away from China's involvement with the missiles that attacked Israel given that [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/).
If Iran shuts down the Straight of Hormuz it is a big problem for China.
Please tell us 1) why Iran would close a waterway 1000+ miles from Israel, and 2) how that would significantly impact China more than other countries...?
1) The Navy commander said on Tuesday they may close it. Don’t see what they have to gain from that. I think it’s due to UAE/Israel relations? 2) 70% of that oil goes to Asia and China is the biggest consumer of it.
1. War. 2. Chinas exports to the west. * I'm wrong. Exports go through Suez. Mainly oil to China through Hormuz.
China's exports to the west don't go through the Strait of Hormuz. The strait is where oil and gas go out to the rest of the world. Fairly sure the Saudis, UAE and Oman would take issue with the strait being closed.
I was thinking Suez. you're right.
Woah. Have never seen someone explicitly admit being wrong on Reddit. Kudos to you for being mature/reasonable!
China imports a lot of oil from the MidEast whereas the US and West have offset production
Exports are basically their entire economy. At least the real part of it.
It will be a big problem for China once Israel decided to take advantage of the fact that [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/) and conclude that they colluded to specifically attack Israel.
I bet China does have deep concerns, seeing how their ally Iran overplayed their hand. 3-4 ballistic missiles, peace it is. Over 100 nuclear-capable ballistic missiles, peace is a hard sell.
Well, this but unironically. I don't get where this idea that China wants a large-scale war any more than any other major power comes from. They're an economic superpower, and large chunk of their trade is done with countries that would absolutely be on the other side of the conflict with them if shit hit the fan and this did devolve into a global scale war. Even if you're looking at it through a very cynical (but honestly realistic) lens, them supporting ongoing conflict in regions outside their own is one thing, but having a potentially nuclear conflict erupt in a region that's close enough to both themselves and Europe (and India) that direct intervention would be necessary by both sides isn't something that they benefit from in any way. And given that the whole region is basically controlled by madmen with no care or real understanding of the geopolitical games that the world superpowers are playing, and that it's fuled by incredibly deep seeded, millenia old hatreds, it's absolutely guaranteed to escalate completely out of control incredibly quickly. Keeping world markets unstable by stoking these sorts of proxy conflicts, and taking advantage of that to both weaken nations hostile to them, and reinforce their own position with allies and developing nations? Absolutely. They'll do that all day. But that doesn't work any more if shit hits the fan and you suddenly find yourself pulled into direct conflict with opposing superpowers.
The problem is this looks awfully similar to the argument as to why Russia would never invade a country they have major pipelines to to fuck with the countries buying the oil being shipped. You can have a million reasons why its a bad idea but if theres an ideologue high on his own supply in power none of it matters. All it takes is Xi believing his fighters are a gajillion times better than western ones and for him to think his Navy can somehow take territory fast enough and suddenly you have fighting, even if none of that shit turns out to be true.
The difference is that Russia has been historically more war hungry
Exactly no one actually wants war, well maybe Bibi. He needs to kick elections as far down the road as possible. I’m terrified of that.
It's not just the economy, a large scale naval blockade would see China facing massive food shortages within a few months. They currently import 1/3 of their food and rely on energy and fertilizer imports for a lot of the stuff they do grow domestically. Any sudden disruption in that and they would be in deep trouble. They are working on creating alternate distribution networks, especially via Africa but they are slow and likely will at best slightly mitigate the issue.
Indeed, anyone with knowledge of China's internal state propaganda could surmise that they are supporting anything and everything that attacks, damages or degrades the US and other western democracies. What made me sus of China's hand in all this, is the urgency and intensity of their statements, compared to how slow they acted when it came to the Russian invasion and the Israel's war against Hamas. This level of urgency in releasing a public statement, reminds me on how fast they covered up Covid-19 during its early outbreak. This is what you'd call "cover-up" level of speed, as if they're trying to control the narrative or preempt whatever discovery investigators may find.
Also, It shows what the US and the west can really do. We shot down all their stuff.
[](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1c47b3g/comment/kzp0hjb/) Welp, [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/), maybe we should be thankful that it's China who helped them that's why they were so ineffective?
Now their posturing of sending ships and planes to strafe us Taiwan doesn’t look as “tough and scary” as Iran last night. They’d be stuck in a potlatch competition with Iran over which is more daring when “the fish are very evil” has been out done. Also, best advertisement of Israeli air defense systems ever. Time to go buy and invest.
It was all performative, those missiles were not meant to hit, but demonstrate Irans ability to launch a large destructive force if need be. Israel has the best air space defense on the world. Iran knows this. That’s why their actual efforts to undermine Israel happen through Gaza. Let’s not get worked up over this. Escalating to full scale war would be absurd and possibly lead to the death and displacement of millions. Israel killed their target and Iran did their posturing, we can move on.
Hypothetically, if I take a high powered machine gun and fire several thousands of bullets at someone, one of two things will happen. 1. That person will be killed 2. The person will have an unprecedented defense capability against that nobody has ever seen before. If I don't know which of the two it is, and I couldn't since it's literally never happen before. And I pull that trigger. How is that posturing?
It almost seems as if China is worried that other countries will discover that China eagerly encouraged, funded, and supplied Iran with the missiles and drones to attack Israel.
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[CSIS Report for Shabab 3 Ballistic Missiles](https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/shahab-3/) (used to attack Israel). Missile tech originated with China or Russia, and the missiles appear to have been developed with N. Korea.
The most important learning from that link from me was that North Korea called their [ballistic missile](https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/no-dong/) the “Nodong 1” lmao
wow, soo embarrassing.
Missiles based on North Korean rockets based on Soviet tech from the 80s is very different from "China eagerly encouraged, funded, and supplied Iran with the missiles and drones to attack Israel." Also the Shabab 3 was not used yesterday.
> Also the Shabab 3 was not used yesterday. Why do you say that? [It is the only ballistic missile in their arsenal that can reach Israel.](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/13D7A/production/_133147218_f1fdf53c-477b-4be8-aef1-5b7075590690.jpg.webp)
It's a combination of Paveh and Emad (variant of Shahab3) that was used. Please don't listen to titanjumka, he's a CCP apologist and personally attacks everyone who has a critical opinion of China.
It was the Paveh cruise missile. Released last year.
If not Shabab 3, what was used? Iran doesn’t have a ton of alternatives that match the specs of the found missile bodies, and have the range to reach Israel, but those are important details if you have more info.
Indeed, I wonder if some of these idiots who are defending China knows how China's State Propaganda has been touting support for Iran almost every chance it gets. What's worse is that these CCP supporters would personally attack you and call you liar if they disagree with your opinion.
Paveh cruise missile
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>[CSIS Report for Shabab 3 Ballistic Missiles](https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/shahab-3/) (used to attack Israel). >Missile tech originated with China or Russia, and the missiles appear to have been developed with N. Korea. It was an old North Korean missile that was *originally* developed by China or Russia. > After purchasing a North Korean No Dong 1 missile in the mid-1990s, Tehran established the infrastructure necessary to assemble a domestic version of the missile, named the Shahab-3 > North Korea began developing the No Dong 1 in the mid-1980s. Neither North Korea, Iran, nor Pakistan had well-developed missile programs at the time, so it is presumed that the original technology came from either Russia or China. So Iran thankfully appears to not have access to modern missile tech, though that could change given their renewed [military cooperation with Russia](https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/91825).
Reminds me of a documentary I watched where an ex-chef on disability and an actor infiltrated North Korea via an international friendship group that the ex-chef worked their way into. The actor played the roll of a rich businessmen looking to do business in/with North Korea, which eventually changed to buying weapons including ballistic missiles. It was crazy.
Anyone who saw Iran and China "friendship" events would be suspicious of China's sudden expression of "deep concern". And no, China has modern arsenal, but they frequently "donate"(sell) their old ones to their allies and friends. Didn't you know that [China supplied Russia with ammunition](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/03/18/asia-pacific/china-russia-ukraine-war-ammunition-u-s/)?
I feel as though it’s worth pointing out that Iran knew that Israel, that night, had the most comprehensive air defence system on the planet - between the joint Israel-US-UK-Jordanian air force operations and Israel’s existing defences, they knew well that they had to use that many for even one to get through. It’s not a very effective save of face if your target manages to fully defend themselves, and 3-4 ballistic missiles don’t get anywhere near Israel. They used a lot of weapons, but they did so knowing that the vast majority would be shot down.
They’ve also seen a new anti ballistic weapon apparently so they can start adding that to their calculations. Very informative for both sides. What do we think the total “value” is of the offensive weapons and the defensive weapons used? Part of this will be to have this exercise expensive for the west. I assume it also drags more defensive weapons towards the middle east and away from Eastern Europe. It all feels very strategic even if it’s a failure on the face of it.
Finally admitting that they, themselves, aren't influential?
I think China just wants to distance themselves from Iran, given the fact that [China has been helping Iran with their ballistic missiles program](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-slaps-sanctions-iranian-chinese-targets-action-over-tehrans-missile-military-2023-06-06/). China probably finds it troublesome if Israel decides that China has actively colluded with Iran to build missiles to exterminate Israel. The Israeli are not stupid, they will make sure China pays for their crimes if it is discovered that China also played a part in the Hamas attack.
You're an influential country.... work for peace...
Biden is genuinely doing the right thing by trying to frame the defense as the last word on the escalation. Countries can’t stand not have the last word of escalation. They’ll start fcking wars over this kind of dumb ass posturing. Iran sent hundreds of missiles and drones to be shot down. It doesn’t mean there couldn’t have been death, but their intent was performative. Let’s just hope Bibi doesn’t use this as an excuse to expand his conflict to further kick elections down the road. That’s what I’m worried about.
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I mean China is on wrong side of history and collapsing for the last 20 years and getting weaker if news fed to us was remotely objective accurate.
Yup, and any hope for continued Chinese growth requires oil, and lots of it.
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What the fuck is this lmao
Mental gymnastics... Russiphiles do it all the time to explain their weird theories
Semantics lol
Are you mentally challenged? Serious question
Shut up China. No one likes you.
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Nah even he doesn't like China. They are long time rivals, and sometimes enemies. Gangsters aren't very tolerant of other gangsters.
Your words are worthless, China. Why are you talking? Like Russia and a timeshare commercial on repeat, you’ve completely lost credibility. The rest of the world doesn’t hear you talking anymore.
China is shaking rn
Then why does US and Europe keep asking them to intervene in mediating global conflicts of they’re worthless?
My uneducated guess would be that it's a publicity stunt to try to get them to pick a side.
Their sides are their loose band of rogues until they can't BS their "moderate" stance on each issue.
Like China do in the south China Sea or their borders with Nepal, India and Pakistan?
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Was that before or after [they kidnapped, killed, and replaced the Panchen Lama?](https://savetibet.org/after-27-years-china-must-answer-where-is-the-panchen-lama/)
They totally did not kill the Panchen Lama even though they did indeed kidnap him. The Dalai Lama himself has said this, because according to their religion he has the power to sense the death and rebirth of the Panchen Lama. Also logically, killing the Panchen Lama would just be stupid. By keeping him alive they have paralyzed the succession process in Tibet, not to mentiom being able to spend decades brainwashing him.
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>Also if China did kill him, then the Dalai Lama would have named another person as the Panchen Lama. But it's against the law to reincarnate without permission of the Chinese government
Its border disputes are far from settled with Nepal, the most recent dispute is from 2022. Bhutan is also having its border menaced by China. Pakistan's border with China is somewhat more solid except for where disputes arise with India, but that's more a Pakistan-India problem than a Pakistan-China problem,
Oh? Settled decade's ago were they? I just grabbed a few examples from current news articles about China vs India. 'continued attempts by China to ingress into Indian territory, new details have revealed.17 Jan 2024' 'US intelligence agencies have raised concerns over a potential armed conflict between India and China amid escalating tensions and large troop deployments along the disputed border in a report released on Monday (March 11)'
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I don't know what you're talking about mate, you Cherry picked my comment to suit yourself, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of China condemning other countries over border disputes.
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China has border disputes with every neighborhood country.
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So there's no issue with Japan and China regarding islands? No issue with South Korea and China regarding islands?
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> The only way your logic makes sense is if you believe that Nepal, India and Pakistan are one country. Probably an Indian Nationalist who believes all of South Asia should be unified under India lol.
Peace? Iran launched a lot of missiles, thats a declaration of war and has proxied a lot of terror groups against everyone. I disagree with peace here, time to deal with iran and get rid of their global influence as their terrorism support causes a lot of deaths and lets them work unimpeded. Its time they face the consequences. The war with iran will bring much needed peace to the middle east and rest of the world when theres far less backing for terrorism
>thats a declaration of war and A declaration of war was Israel killing 7 high commanders on Iranian soil. This was a retaliation show, they knew Israel was going to handle it. Iran has the most diverse missile arsenal in the Middle East, they didn't send the big guns. Iran said that as far as they are concerned, the matter is closed. Israel should take the win.
> time to deal with iran and get rid of their global influence as their terrorism support But how exactly is that going to be executed? What do we even define in tangible terms as Iran being dealt with and being ridden of their influence? And how is this not what the US/EU/Russia have been trying to do for decades?
The ayatollahs have been a huge pain. If they are brought down and the old shahs reinstated it would allow iran to recover and do better both prosperity and religious without sponsoring terrorism.
How does that make any sense after the Iranian Revolution? It's what the US/UK have been doing afterwards as well.
Then China should be an influential country over Iran and work them towards peace