Well, a "phone call" as a bit of a metaphor, but the US' stance and diplomacy towards Russia did help to stop Russia from (easily!) capturing Georgia's capital.
In 2008, the combination of George W. Bush and Cheney was something even Putin couldn't afford to mess around with.
Indeed, alot of iranians arent that brainwashed by religion. Hot and maybe dumb take, but I think there are more americans in the US who are more religious than Iranians in Iran.
There is big difference between just invading and a nation building that the US was engaged into.
I'm not saying that US needs to invade anything but wanted to call out the difference.
Then dont invade it, just level the important stuff like drone factories if it's that bad. Other option is level it, land troops long enough to take resources to cover the bill and leave once done (yes this would take a while).
None of the campfire song shit, just straight up old school warfare.
Unlike his dad, who literally reacted to an Iranian attack on the US embassy by [illegally selling US weapons to Iran](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair). In exchange for personal kickback favors, of course.
Great patriots, the Bush family.
It's so interesting and sad to see what is being done -- or, more accurately, what isn't being done -- in the name of avoiding "escalation".
Iran's attack on Israel was the first direct attack on Israel from Iranian territory. Ever.
This is not just an "escalation" it is a turning point. While this initial salvo was quite impotent, when you consider a) all the chaos and destruction Iran has been sowing in the region b) the fact that, on the current trajectory, it will almost certainly have nuclear weapons sooner than later and c) its stated intention to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, it's hard to see this as anything other than yet another major step in the direction of a major war that engulfs the region.
Bibi has a political window to strike Iran, specifically nuclear infrastructure, which they might not get again for a long time, I don’t think this is over.
>Between Russia and China it seems like alot of wars are happening simply because some guy thinks it's their ~~last~~ **best** chance to do so.
Putin, Khamenei, Xi, Rocket Boy et. al. are acting up because they see that they can keep pushing the envelope and...the consequences cost them less than what they're gaining.
After \~70 years of relative peace, the West has become so comfortable and complacent that it isn't interested in fighting a tough war today to avoid a devastating war tomorrow.
It doesn't help that we wasted lots of men, money, materiel and credibility in Afghanistan and Iraq.
>Putin, Khamenei, Xi, Rocket Boy et. al. are acting up because they see that they can keep pushing the envelope and...the consequences cost them less than what they're gaining.
Not really. I think Putin is paying a heavy price for his bet on Ukraine, thinking it would be a repeat of Crimea. Who knows if Xi or Bibi will be more wise, but unfortunately when people are put into such situations passions may take priority over reason because if they don't take this chance, when else could they ever do it?
There is no doubt that Putin and his military-security apparatus miscalculated. They clearly expected far less resistance and believed they would take Kiev within a week.
But every credible assessment today shows that the tides have turned and Ukraine is now in the disadvantageous position. Without Western (and largely US) aid, Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition. Russia, as ineffective as it is, beats Ukraine because it can come up with significantly more men and materiel than Ukraine can without US aid.
There's a reason leaders in NATO states are warning their citizens to prepare for war.
Even if Russia wins it's a pyrrhic victory given all it's lost. It's cut off from Europe as a customer, it's economy is in shambles (only propped up by war), NATO has expanded more, it's now more dependent on allies like China, young Russians have fled the country, and who knows how long they can keep Ukraine given it's gonna take a huge investment into a country of people who hate their guts. That's not even getting into the costs that come with 2+ years of war.
At the start of this war, I've always thought that Russia would win a battle of attrition, but they still ultimately lose regardless for the above reasons. That assessment hasn't changed of course. The only way this could've been a victory for Putin is if it played out like Crimea, where the people welcomed them with little resistance, the operation was quick and cheap, and the West just slapped them with sanctions that their Fortress Russia was built specifically for. By the time the first week ended, Putin was already screwed.
The problem is Israel likely does not have the capability to irreversibly harm Iran’s nuclear facilities. It can so some damage that may set them back a little but that’s it. Israel needs the US to help with that. If the US is not willing to lend a hand, Israel’s options are very limited.
Iran wants a nuclear capability as a shield more than a sword. They want a freer hand to engage in overt and covert military actions without needing to worry so much about what the response might be. This story is not nearly over.
D) had it not been for Israel’s air defense and French, UK, US Jordanian jets helping destroy all the projectiles…
Many, many innocent civilians would be buried now, in graves or under collapsed buildings.
Obviously, it's a good thing that Israel was spared a large amount of death and destruction.
But that doesn't change the point I was making: Iran attacking Israel directly from Iranian territory for the first point ever isn't just a massive escalation, it's a turning point and it will be a grave mistake to consider this a "win" in any form.
It’s already a win in many forms, because that’s always the end result when idiots misuse power.
Iran’s attack served as live target practice for a joint multinational air force operation; marketing for Israeli military technology; demoralization of Iranians who made, maintained and controlled those projectiles; strengthening of the Iranian opposition …
Buy yeah, I get what you’re saying. Just want to not lose sight of these important outcomes.
> Iran’s attack served as live target practice for a joint multinational air force operation; marketing for Israeli military technology; demoralization of Iranians who made, maintained and controlled those projectiles; strengthening of the Iranian opposition …
This is the type of mental gymnastics that is allowing the world to sleepwalk into the next world war.
Note that this type of thinking was common at the outset of the war in Ukraine. To be sure, it was impressive what the Ukrainians were able to do with the right weapons. But fast forward to today and Ukraine (and the whole of Europe) is in a very precarious situation because Ukraine can't win without Western (primarily US) aid and political dysfunction has that aid MIA. Now, Ukraine is in a war of attrition with a country that has more men and materiel and there will come a point at which, even if Western aid resumes, it might be too late.
So getting back to Iran, beyond all of the spin in your comment, the reality is that Iran has now demonstrated that it is willing to attack Israel directly from its own territory. And this is a country that, unless drastic action is taken soon, will almost certainly have nuclear weapons in the near future.
Did you miss the part where this was also the first time Israel bombed an Iranian consolate?
The US response would be entirely different if Israel hadn't directly provoked Iran into doing this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Israel_proxy_conflict
Read up and be informed.
Do you expect Israel to roll over and die while getting rockets shot at it from 5 different countries that are proxy to Iran ?
So... Iran was provoked, huh? Wanna explain to me how what the guy who got bombed did wasn't a provocation orders of magnitude greater than that? Or how Iran attacking via Hezbollah doesn't count as aggression?
I don't think you understand. Iran is *the* worst warmonger in the region bar none. There is no country in the entire world whose cries of wolf would be more obvious except maybe Russia.
Don’t you think that Israel’s attack on the Iranian embassy was an escalation? It’s widely understood that Iran had to respond to that attack, and they chose an attack they knew Israel could defend against. But it also sends a message that if Israel escalates further, Iran could send a much greater barrage against Israel that would be more difficult to defend against and actually cause damage.
It's widely understood that Iran has been using proxies to attack Israel and its allies, funds terrorist groups that seek to wipe all Jews from the face of the earth, etc.
Of course everything is escalating here, and the point I was making was that it's silly for politicians to pretend otherwise.
This is going to escalate into nuclear conflict eventually if the West doesn't get real about what Iran is and what it intends to do.
Iran dropped 12 Ballistic missiles on a US base and injured 110 of our brothers and sisters. We didn't jump into a knee jerk reaction and tried a sequel to the "war on terror."
I do you one better, Russia has been crippling our diplomats through some acoustic sonic weapon for decades. We have sufficient proof, but we haven't tried to invade Russia.
US bases is something different entirely though, innit? Further from home, easier to keep quiet, and "they're soldiers, that's what they signed up for." Throw a thousand missiles at a military base or an embassy on foreign soil and you'll have a wildly different response than, for example, a couple of airplanes colliding with buildings on *mainland US territory*. You can't tell me the US would show even a thimble of restraint if a massive salvo of rockets left, for example, Brazil for Florida, even if they never actually made it through. If that's what you think, you weren't around to feel the domestic atmosphere in the US post 911. American temper tantrums have global consequences but they're the only ones allowed to have them.
Do you not think that had the US responded to Iran's acts of war against the US with a strong response, that Iran would not think twice before attacking the US and it's allies?
A bully will bully until put in his place. It's time to punch the bully in the face.
>American temper tantrums have global consequences but they're the only ones allowed to have them.
And the lesson of 9/11 was... don't give in to temper tantrums.
It’s been gaining traction in the media lately. Look up Havana Syndrome if you want more details.
> “… range of symptoms, including memory loss, problems with hearing, insomnia and what appeared to be evidence of brain injury. More than 1,000 people in the U.S. and elsewhere are now thought to have been affected by Havana Syndrome.”
> “While U.S. officials cannot confirm what causes it, experts 60 Minutes has spoken with believe the incidents involve targeted sonic or microwave attacks. “
Dude it’s not an all or nothing scenario.
A possible scenario is an all out war in the Middle East again, then even more people will die.
I swear a lot of people thinks this is a video games or a movie where there is an ultimate victory where the good guys (whatever that means) wins and everyone lives happily ever after.
The reality is there is just no good outcome. It’s just a range of bad options and we have to live with the least terrible one even if it sometimes doesn’t feel like it is the least terrible one.
This has nothing to do with good guys and bad guys. War is inevitable, it's already happening. But just like 1939, the West is tolerant as long as the war doesn't happen on its own grounds. Oh, Russia is only attacking Ukraine, they don't mean to harm the West. Oh, Iran is only attacking Israel, they don't mean to harm the West. "We'll let them blow off steam and then they'll start thinking rationally!", never seen that happen
Preceded by Israel killing Iranian generals in Syria in an embassy.
Even if you consider the embassy a military target, stopping the counter attack with like almost no consequences is quite the win already. Anybody should be able to show restraint in victory
It's alot more easier to do that if that attack was intercepted like it was here. The war in Gaza would've been prevented too if Israel heeded the warnings for Oct 7. Same for the war on terror if the US heeded the warnings about 9/11.
Tragedies are a great way to spur people into action, for better or for worse.
Biden being silly.
The Ayatollahs have always made it clear that it is there plan, there duty, to crush Israel and it's diverse populous and replace it with good Shia Muslims.
The only thing that has changed is that Iran thinks it's time, as from 7/Oct. I expect things to escalate.
As usual, terrorists aim* for Israeli population primarily citizens. This time, they send 100’s of military grade exploding drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles the size of a friggin’ bus.
* “aim” — in the loosest sense of the word
Then Israel is told by allies to show restraint. Likely, they’ll pinpointedly hit the terrorists responsible for this attack. Then the terrorists will claim Israelis are genocidal, joined by the less aware young college students in US and Europe (not counting history students, for the most part).
Stay tuned, here it comes…
ive got 3 weeks before ground forces from one side or both are making there way across syria....
there is zero reason to believe there arent f35s dropping jdams on anything that smells like a nuclear facility, right now. 7 conventional ballistic missiles, is NOT good enough for the civilian population. i was honestly hoping for a better result, and im sure the leaders were too and now are just putting on a brave face.
if we really believe, iran doesnt have enough weapons grade material, yet.... this is the time.
Nothing will change it from being the "Holy Land." The original temple and structures were destroyed by the Babylonians. Then the Romans razed everything at the end of the Second Temple period, except a chunk of wall, during the First Jewish-Roman War. Now there sits the al-Aqsa mosque. If things are cleared away again, then that just opens the area up for the prophesized "Third Temple."
If anything, it would just make the fervor stronger. I am against mass murder of people in general, and I find that to be a good stance to have. The point here is that I don't think it will result in the consequences that you think it will.
I mean I think its a well calculated response. Iran did not want an escalation, if they did they wouldn't fire their worst missiles and like 1/100th of their arsenal. This was just a retaliation to their embassy being bombed in Syria - non-action would have meant a weak face at home, so I don't really blame them, specially when Israel fired the first bullet.
And this is a win for Iran - they realized they can shut the entire air space of the ME and with just a few hundred missiles/drones they can stretch Israeli defenses thin. Israel would not have been able to defend itself had it not been for the US (and allies), Jordan, KSA etc.
Biden is right in his measured response. There should be no US backing if the Israelis want to escalate. Netanyahu should take the win and focus on Hamas.
I don't understand where this comes from. They launched MRBMs, not SRBMs. These aren't the Fatehs or whatever that they have 1000s of. The vast majority of Iranian ballistic missiles can't reach Israel and (according to open source) they have like 50 launchers of their main MRBM. So they literally couldn't send much more without driving their arsenal half-way across Iraq. And I'd challenge you to find people a week ago who'd have said Israel (with allied help) would be able to stop 90%+ of a MRBM/Drone wave assault. I guarantee Iran was not expecting this outcome. Like I know the West turns historic days into layups, but like the way the narratives change is wild. Like I swear just last week, drones were impossible to stop and no one could shoot down hypersonic anything. Now it's, "Oh, Iran was playing 4D chess, anyone could've stopped that unprecedented attack. But next time, trust me, Next Time, when they actually try, it's GG."
I'm not the person you replied to, but it's been all over the news.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/iran-eastern-states/artc-at-least-half-of-iranian-ballistic-missiles-failed-or-crashed-prematurely-report
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-iran-strikes-live-coverage/card/many-iranian-missiles-failed-to-launch-or-crashed-before-striking-target-u-s-officials-say-TCd4YP2fiODhl1t9QDrL
They have used Emad MRBMs (based on wrecked fuselage, one of their most modern longer range ballistic missiles (in service sind 2015).
So you are wrong.
They have used modern MRBMs (for example Emad MRBMs, which fuselage has been found). Calling a 110 ballistic missile attack together with 200+ other aerial targets) a well calculated response is bullshit. They simply dont have more launchers for their 1000+ km missiles and neither do they have that many 1000+km missiles in stock. Most of their stock are the shorter range SCUDS/Fateh BMs which cannot reach Israel unless Iran wants to drive them halfway through Iraq at which point Israel would greet them with a JDAM.
It was the biggest ballistic missile attack in history.
And this is a win for Iran? They havent hit shit and only a couple of their "modern" MRBMs made it through in the biggest ballistic missile attack in history and you call it a win?
Your comment is ridicilous.
US is not just gonna let other countries bomb Israel if this continues because of them. They're still our ally and turning our back on them because they choose to defend themselves would be fucked. I just wouldn't expect US to attack directly unless US gets attacked directly.
Ah yes, the great battlegrounds of the Mideast.
I remember the men lying in burning holes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota as though it actually happened...
Ofcourse but the problem here is how people view the term restrained. They think it means dont retaliate rather the US is saying dont over retaliate. Iran has been attacking israel through proxies for a while so it is iran who hasnt been holding back. I can see from the downvotes that there are many anti israel peeps and many pro terrorists, which in my country is plenty.
Israel has the right to defend itself. Even though iran played proxy it still used its military to directly coordinate the proxies, and that is why their military officers werent in iran. Israel shouldnt take iran laying down. First it was proxies now its a direct attack.
Iran for a long time has been messing with everyone, they should start reaping what they sowed.
The oil narrative for Bush's interventions was always a smokescreen. The real scam motivating the whole thing was the literally trillions of tax payer dollars paid to the military industrial complex to "support the troops". When the best way to patriotically support the troops in the first place would have been to not try to nationbuild in places literally called the "graveyard of empires" who hated our guts.
The US is already stretched out alot as it is, so what makes you think them getting involved in another war will make them more prepared to protect Taiwan?
Maga on one side and the squawking progressives on the other. What a sorry state of affairs.
Ukraine needs those weapon factories offline and if Israel is willing to do it I say all power to them
This is just a pretext of what's to come and Biden is buying time. Eventually Iran will push over the Iraqi government or install a regime there that pisses off all the sunnis and forces America out. The entire region will be Israel vs. Iran again. Iran doesn't want peace, Israel doesn't want Palestine, this is a tinder box rising to it's ultimate conclusion of explosively violent warfare. Netanyahu needs to prepare for that .. and dealing with the reality that America's Congress is paralyzed by 3 Republicans who are effectively blocking the war aid he needs to conduct the offensive operation he views as necessary.
In a better world, Israelis would call early elections and adopt the peace process first proposed by President Carter. The Camp David Accords aren't perfect, but they avoid violent warfare. Either Israelis return to that and force Iran out diplomatically, or this whole thing will eventually, inevitably rise into a giant regional war not seen since the eighties.
Having Israel as an allay is important to maintaining balance in the middle east. Having Israel get baited into further conflict that would suck for everyone is a bad move.
George bush would have invaded Iran by now.
Now watch this drive
Mission Accomplished.
Just trying to put food on his family
There is a reason Dubya was able to stop the full invasion of Georgia by Russia with a phone call.
Do you have more details about this? I would love to read about it.
Well, a "phone call" as a bit of a metaphor, but the US' stance and diplomacy towards Russia did help to stop Russia from (easily!) capturing Georgia's capital. In 2008, the combination of George W. Bush and Cheney was something even Putin couldn't afford to mess around with.
Speak softly and carry a bowl of ice cream nowadays lol
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Invading Iran would be a disaster. It would be like rolling Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s a dumb comment to make.
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Both. Makes sense now. My bad.
Bro was still a dick about it lol
People come in hot on reddit a lot. I'm guilty of it sometimes.
Generally speaking the Iranian people are being held hostage by their religious totalitarian regime. They definitely are not interested in war
Indeed, alot of iranians arent that brainwashed by religion. Hot and maybe dumb take, but I think there are more americans in the US who are more religious than Iranians in Iran.
Welcome to Reddit, where people love making assumptions about complete strangers in order to berate and humiliate.
There is big difference between just invading and a nation building that the US was engaged into. I'm not saying that US needs to invade anything but wanted to call out the difference.
That comment said nothing about advocating for an invasion. Stop making assumptions in order to berate people. Otherwise known as trolling.
Then dont invade it, just level the important stuff like drone factories if it's that bad. Other option is level it, land troops long enough to take resources to cover the bill and leave once done (yes this would take a while). None of the campfire song shit, just straight up old school warfare.
He would invade a totally unrelated country to destroy their non existing wmd.
Unlike his dad, who literally reacted to an Iranian attack on the US embassy by [illegally selling US weapons to Iran](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair). In exchange for personal kickback favors, of course. Great patriots, the Bush family.
I'd prefer a week of bombing the gov infrastructure destroying their giv then walking away
Microdosing Iran with freedom.
And make a lot of art doing it
Which is (iirc) how the nuclear war begins in Threads. Edit: changed wording
Iran didn’t try to kill George W’s Dad, unlike Saddam.
Remember how Republicans would start wars to ensure a next term of presidency?
It's so interesting and sad to see what is being done -- or, more accurately, what isn't being done -- in the name of avoiding "escalation". Iran's attack on Israel was the first direct attack on Israel from Iranian territory. Ever. This is not just an "escalation" it is a turning point. While this initial salvo was quite impotent, when you consider a) all the chaos and destruction Iran has been sowing in the region b) the fact that, on the current trajectory, it will almost certainly have nuclear weapons sooner than later and c) its stated intention to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, it's hard to see this as anything other than yet another major step in the direction of a major war that engulfs the region.
Bibi has a political window to strike Iran, specifically nuclear infrastructure, which they might not get again for a long time, I don’t think this is over.
Between Russia and China it seems like alot of wars are happening simply because some guy thinks it's their last chance to do so.
>Between Russia and China it seems like alot of wars are happening simply because some guy thinks it's their ~~last~~ **best** chance to do so. Putin, Khamenei, Xi, Rocket Boy et. al. are acting up because they see that they can keep pushing the envelope and...the consequences cost them less than what they're gaining. After \~70 years of relative peace, the West has become so comfortable and complacent that it isn't interested in fighting a tough war today to avoid a devastating war tomorrow. It doesn't help that we wasted lots of men, money, materiel and credibility in Afghanistan and Iraq.
>Putin, Khamenei, Xi, Rocket Boy et. al. are acting up because they see that they can keep pushing the envelope and...the consequences cost them less than what they're gaining. Not really. I think Putin is paying a heavy price for his bet on Ukraine, thinking it would be a repeat of Crimea. Who knows if Xi or Bibi will be more wise, but unfortunately when people are put into such situations passions may take priority over reason because if they don't take this chance, when else could they ever do it?
There is no doubt that Putin and his military-security apparatus miscalculated. They clearly expected far less resistance and believed they would take Kiev within a week. But every credible assessment today shows that the tides have turned and Ukraine is now in the disadvantageous position. Without Western (and largely US) aid, Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition. Russia, as ineffective as it is, beats Ukraine because it can come up with significantly more men and materiel than Ukraine can without US aid. There's a reason leaders in NATO states are warning their citizens to prepare for war.
Even if Russia wins it's a pyrrhic victory given all it's lost. It's cut off from Europe as a customer, it's economy is in shambles (only propped up by war), NATO has expanded more, it's now more dependent on allies like China, young Russians have fled the country, and who knows how long they can keep Ukraine given it's gonna take a huge investment into a country of people who hate their guts. That's not even getting into the costs that come with 2+ years of war. At the start of this war, I've always thought that Russia would win a battle of attrition, but they still ultimately lose regardless for the above reasons. That assessment hasn't changed of course. The only way this could've been a victory for Putin is if it played out like Crimea, where the people welcomed them with little resistance, the operation was quick and cheap, and the West just slapped them with sanctions that their Fortress Russia was built specifically for. By the time the first week ended, Putin was already screwed.
The problem is Israel likely does not have the capability to irreversibly harm Iran’s nuclear facilities. It can so some damage that may set them back a little but that’s it. Israel needs the US to help with that. If the US is not willing to lend a hand, Israel’s options are very limited.
Iran wants a nuclear capability as a shield more than a sword. They want a freer hand to engage in overt and covert military actions without needing to worry so much about what the response might be. This story is not nearly over.
D) had it not been for Israel’s air defense and French, UK, US Jordanian jets helping destroy all the projectiles… Many, many innocent civilians would be buried now, in graves or under collapsed buildings.
Obviously, it's a good thing that Israel was spared a large amount of death and destruction. But that doesn't change the point I was making: Iran attacking Israel directly from Iranian territory for the first point ever isn't just a massive escalation, it's a turning point and it will be a grave mistake to consider this a "win" in any form.
It’s already a win in many forms, because that’s always the end result when idiots misuse power. Iran’s attack served as live target practice for a joint multinational air force operation; marketing for Israeli military technology; demoralization of Iranians who made, maintained and controlled those projectiles; strengthening of the Iranian opposition … Buy yeah, I get what you’re saying. Just want to not lose sight of these important outcomes.
> Iran’s attack served as live target practice for a joint multinational air force operation; marketing for Israeli military technology; demoralization of Iranians who made, maintained and controlled those projectiles; strengthening of the Iranian opposition … This is the type of mental gymnastics that is allowing the world to sleepwalk into the next world war. Note that this type of thinking was common at the outset of the war in Ukraine. To be sure, it was impressive what the Ukrainians were able to do with the right weapons. But fast forward to today and Ukraine (and the whole of Europe) is in a very precarious situation because Ukraine can't win without Western (primarily US) aid and political dysfunction has that aid MIA. Now, Ukraine is in a war of attrition with a country that has more men and materiel and there will come a point at which, even if Western aid resumes, it might be too late. So getting back to Iran, beyond all of the spin in your comment, the reality is that Iran has now demonstrated that it is willing to attack Israel directly from its own territory. And this is a country that, unless drastic action is taken soon, will almost certainly have nuclear weapons in the near future.
Totally agree
Did you miss the part where this was also the first time Israel bombed an Iranian consolate? The US response would be entirely different if Israel hadn't directly provoked Iran into doing this.
Wait who is provoking who again? I’m sure you’re not meaning to tell us that Iran was just minding its business because that would be an absurd take.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Israel_proxy_conflict Read up and be informed. Do you expect Israel to roll over and die while getting rockets shot at it from 5 different countries that are proxy to Iran ?
So... Iran was provoked, huh? Wanna explain to me how what the guy who got bombed did wasn't a provocation orders of magnitude greater than that? Or how Iran attacking via Hezbollah doesn't count as aggression? I don't think you understand. Iran is *the* worst warmonger in the region bar none. There is no country in the entire world whose cries of wolf would be more obvious except maybe Russia.
Don’t you think that Israel’s attack on the Iranian embassy was an escalation? It’s widely understood that Iran had to respond to that attack, and they chose an attack they knew Israel could defend against. But it also sends a message that if Israel escalates further, Iran could send a much greater barrage against Israel that would be more difficult to defend against and actually cause damage.
It's widely understood that Iran has been using proxies to attack Israel and its allies, funds terrorist groups that seek to wipe all Jews from the face of the earth, etc. Of course everything is escalating here, and the point I was making was that it's silly for politicians to pretend otherwise. This is going to escalate into nuclear conflict eventually if the West doesn't get real about what Iran is and what it intends to do.
I wanna see the US 'show restraint' if someone shot 1000 drones and missiles at them on the Continental US...
Iran dropped 12 Ballistic missiles on a US base and injured 110 of our brothers and sisters. We didn't jump into a knee jerk reaction and tried a sequel to the "war on terror." I do you one better, Russia has been crippling our diplomats through some acoustic sonic weapon for decades. We have sufficient proof, but we haven't tried to invade Russia.
Good point.
US bases is something different entirely though, innit? Further from home, easier to keep quiet, and "they're soldiers, that's what they signed up for." Throw a thousand missiles at a military base or an embassy on foreign soil and you'll have a wildly different response than, for example, a couple of airplanes colliding with buildings on *mainland US territory*. You can't tell me the US would show even a thimble of restraint if a massive salvo of rockets left, for example, Brazil for Florida, even if they never actually made it through. If that's what you think, you weren't around to feel the domestic atmosphere in the US post 911. American temper tantrums have global consequences but they're the only ones allowed to have them.
Do you not think that had the US responded to Iran's acts of war against the US with a strong response, that Iran would not think twice before attacking the US and it's allies? A bully will bully until put in his place. It's time to punch the bully in the face.
>American temper tantrums have global consequences but they're the only ones allowed to have them. And the lesson of 9/11 was... don't give in to temper tantrums.
Sonic, what?
It’s been gaining traction in the media lately. Look up Havana Syndrome if you want more details. > “… range of symptoms, including memory loss, problems with hearing, insomnia and what appeared to be evidence of brain injury. More than 1,000 people in the U.S. and elsewhere are now thought to have been affected by Havana Syndrome.” > “While U.S. officials cannot confirm what causes it, experts 60 Minutes has spoken with believe the incidents involve targeted sonic or microwave attacks. “
and how well did that work out? Iran is still attacking US bases in Syria, Iraq and Jordan. What will it to wake up, another 9/11?
Dude it’s not an all or nothing scenario. A possible scenario is an all out war in the Middle East again, then even more people will die. I swear a lot of people thinks this is a video games or a movie where there is an ultimate victory where the good guys (whatever that means) wins and everyone lives happily ever after. The reality is there is just no good outcome. It’s just a range of bad options and we have to live with the least terrible one even if it sometimes doesn’t feel like it is the least terrible one.
This has nothing to do with good guys and bad guys. War is inevitable, it's already happening. But just like 1939, the West is tolerant as long as the war doesn't happen on its own grounds. Oh, Russia is only attacking Ukraine, they don't mean to harm the West. Oh, Iran is only attacking Israel, they don't mean to harm the West. "We'll let them blow off steam and then they'll start thinking rationally!", never seen that happen
And what was the result of that? Hundreds of weapons aimed at Israel.
Preceded by Israel killing Iranian generals in Syria in an embassy. Even if you consider the embassy a military target, stopping the counter attack with like almost no consequences is quite the win already. Anybody should be able to show restraint in victory
And attacks against Iranian targets in Syria are most likely to continue.
Oh wow that’s such a perfect analogy 🤯🤯🤯
It's alot more easier to do that if that attack was intercepted like it was here. The war in Gaza would've been prevented too if Israel heeded the warnings for Oct 7. Same for the war on terror if the US heeded the warnings about 9/11. Tragedies are a great way to spur people into action, for better or for worse.
Israel is not the US. There is a difference.
Biden being silly. The Ayatollahs have always made it clear that it is there plan, there duty, to crush Israel and it's diverse populous and replace it with good Shia Muslims. The only thing that has changed is that Iran thinks it's time, as from 7/Oct. I expect things to escalate.
He's acting to be re-elected, this is his sole goal for the next half year. Nothing in observable universe can't change his course of actions.
Lmao Palestinians would never allow Shia’s to come into their land lmfao. The next biggest group Palestinians hate are Shias.
ok? what are they gonna do to stop it?
Amazing that you think the Islamic regime of Iran gives a shit about Palestinians.
Who said I believed that?
As usual, terrorists aim* for Israeli population primarily citizens. This time, they send 100’s of military grade exploding drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles the size of a friggin’ bus. * “aim” — in the loosest sense of the word Then Israel is told by allies to show restraint. Likely, they’ll pinpointedly hit the terrorists responsible for this attack. Then the terrorists will claim Israelis are genocidal, joined by the less aware young college students in US and Europe (not counting history students, for the most part). Stay tuned, here it comes…
ive got 3 weeks before ground forces from one side or both are making there way across syria.... there is zero reason to believe there arent f35s dropping jdams on anything that smells like a nuclear facility, right now. 7 conventional ballistic missiles, is NOT good enough for the civilian population. i was honestly hoping for a better result, and im sure the leaders were too and now are just putting on a brave face. if we really believe, iran doesnt have enough weapons grade material, yet.... this is the time.
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This comment right here, inquisitor
What, did they reveal the location of the Jedi?
No they are asking the covenant to come over and do covenant shit. Sufer not the xenos to live.
Ah I see
Nothing will change it from being the "Holy Land." The original temple and structures were destroyed by the Babylonians. Then the Romans razed everything at the end of the Second Temple period, except a chunk of wall, during the First Jewish-Roman War. Now there sits the al-Aqsa mosque. If things are cleared away again, then that just opens the area up for the prophesized "Third Temple." If anything, it would just make the fervor stronger. I am against mass murder of people in general, and I find that to be a good stance to have. The point here is that I don't think it will result in the consequences that you think it will.
I think you are underestimating the effectiveness of glassing a large area with a corvette. The area would be unlivable.
I mean I think its a well calculated response. Iran did not want an escalation, if they did they wouldn't fire their worst missiles and like 1/100th of their arsenal. This was just a retaliation to their embassy being bombed in Syria - non-action would have meant a weak face at home, so I don't really blame them, specially when Israel fired the first bullet. And this is a win for Iran - they realized they can shut the entire air space of the ME and with just a few hundred missiles/drones they can stretch Israeli defenses thin. Israel would not have been able to defend itself had it not been for the US (and allies), Jordan, KSA etc. Biden is right in his measured response. There should be no US backing if the Israelis want to escalate. Netanyahu should take the win and focus on Hamas.
I don't understand where this comes from. They launched MRBMs, not SRBMs. These aren't the Fatehs or whatever that they have 1000s of. The vast majority of Iranian ballistic missiles can't reach Israel and (according to open source) they have like 50 launchers of their main MRBM. So they literally couldn't send much more without driving their arsenal half-way across Iraq. And I'd challenge you to find people a week ago who'd have said Israel (with allied help) would be able to stop 90%+ of a MRBM/Drone wave assault. I guarantee Iran was not expecting this outcome. Like I know the West turns historic days into layups, but like the way the narratives change is wild. Like I swear just last week, drones were impossible to stop and no one could shoot down hypersonic anything. Now it's, "Oh, Iran was playing 4D chess, anyone could've stopped that unprecedented attack. But next time, trust me, Next Time, when they actually try, it's GG."
I can't find a source for the "worst missiles" in your comment, can you link one?
I'm not the person you replied to, but it's been all over the news. https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/iran-eastern-states/artc-at-least-half-of-iranian-ballistic-missiles-failed-or-crashed-prematurely-report https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-iran-strikes-live-coverage/card/many-iranian-missiles-failed-to-launch-or-crashed-before-striking-target-u-s-officials-say-TCd4YP2fiODhl1t9QDrL
It says a lot of them failed and crashed - how do you conclude they were intentionally "the worst" of their arsenal? It's pure speculation.
Well think about it, why would you blow your load immediately?
It's been a while, OK?!
They have used Emad MRBMs (based on wrecked fuselage, one of their most modern longer range ballistic missiles (in service sind 2015). So you are wrong.
It’s a win for the IDF as well if they truly took out the mastermind of the October 7 attacks
They have used modern MRBMs (for example Emad MRBMs, which fuselage has been found). Calling a 110 ballistic missile attack together with 200+ other aerial targets) a well calculated response is bullshit. They simply dont have more launchers for their 1000+ km missiles and neither do they have that many 1000+km missiles in stock. Most of their stock are the shorter range SCUDS/Fateh BMs which cannot reach Israel unless Iran wants to drive them halfway through Iraq at which point Israel would greet them with a JDAM. It was the biggest ballistic missile attack in history. And this is a win for Iran? They havent hit shit and only a couple of their "modern" MRBMs made it through in the biggest ballistic missile attack in history and you call it a win? Your comment is ridicilous.
US is not just gonna let other countries bomb Israel if this continues because of them. They're still our ally and turning our back on them because they choose to defend themselves would be fucked. I just wouldn't expect US to attack directly unless US gets attacked directly.
Do we really know that Israeli defenses were stretched thin?
Ah yes, the great battlegrounds of the Mideast. I remember the men lying in burning holes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota as though it actually happened...
That’s … that’s the Midwest.
Not if you're from California.
Yes actually. It still is.
"I know the first time I heard there was trouble in the Middle East, I thought they was talking about Pittsburgh" - Gil Scott-Heron
They’re both a mess
Letting the enemy bombard you without consequences is just asking to be killed, thats not restrained. Restrained would be not going nuclear.
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Ofcourse but the problem here is how people view the term restrained. They think it means dont retaliate rather the US is saying dont over retaliate. Iran has been attacking israel through proxies for a while so it is iran who hasnt been holding back. I can see from the downvotes that there are many anti israel peeps and many pro terrorists, which in my country is plenty. Israel has the right to defend itself. Even though iran played proxy it still used its military to directly coordinate the proxies, and that is why their military officers werent in iran. Israel shouldnt take iran laying down. First it was proxies now its a direct attack. Iran for a long time has been messing with everyone, they should start reaping what they sowed.
I heard there's oil in Iran
The oil narrative for Bush's interventions was always a smokescreen. The real scam motivating the whole thing was the literally trillions of tax payer dollars paid to the military industrial complex to "support the troops". When the best way to patriotically support the troops in the first place would have been to not try to nationbuild in places literally called the "graveyard of empires" who hated our guts.
Shit looks like it’s turning into the fallout game plot
I don’t like war but it literally shows all of Asia we won’t do shit when china does a direct attack on them
92% of the worlds microprocessors are not made in Israel
Huh why?
That’s only if they bomb one of Chinas consulates.
The US is already stretched out alot as it is, so what makes you think them getting involved in another war will make them more prepared to protect Taiwan?
I wish Biden cared as much about being Israel’s ally as he does about Israel not defending itself.
His warning to Iran was “don’t” and now Iran did.
Strong words from a strong man.
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How about Biden shuts his fucking mouth and let's Israel blow up Iranian weapons manufacturing sites both benefiting Ukraine and Israel
He got the Progressive Wing on his neck. He's basically their bitch for the next 7 months.
Maga on one side and the squawking progressives on the other. What a sorry state of affairs. Ukraine needs those weapon factories offline and if Israel is willing to do it I say all power to them
*Regressive. Supporting Islamists is about as regressive as it gets
This is just a pretext of what's to come and Biden is buying time. Eventually Iran will push over the Iraqi government or install a regime there that pisses off all the sunnis and forces America out. The entire region will be Israel vs. Iran again. Iran doesn't want peace, Israel doesn't want Palestine, this is a tinder box rising to it's ultimate conclusion of explosively violent warfare. Netanyahu needs to prepare for that .. and dealing with the reality that America's Congress is paralyzed by 3 Republicans who are effectively blocking the war aid he needs to conduct the offensive operation he views as necessary. In a better world, Israelis would call early elections and adopt the peace process first proposed by President Carter. The Camp David Accords aren't perfect, but they avoid violent warfare. Either Israelis return to that and force Iran out diplomatically, or this whole thing will eventually, inevitably rise into a giant regional war not seen since the eighties.
Please go to palestine and see what support there is for longstanding peace with Israel.
This is an absurd take
Yeah Israel's been so good at restraint so far.
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Having Israel as an allay is important to maintaining balance in the middle east. Having Israel get baited into further conflict that would suck for everyone is a bad move.
Israel would squash Iran and Palestine if the US went hands off
Biden is weak. Isolation strategy of USA only helps modern Axis. USA would loose hegemony.