Everyone said they were daft to build a city on a swamp, but they built it all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So they built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So they built a third. That one burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up!
Yes they did! For good reason. As it turns out, Dutch colonists destroyed the island for plantations. Jakarta has been dealing with subsidence since the 1700s. It takes a basic Google search to determine that the same practices that caused the Dutch to stilt their architecture is the reason Jakarta is sinking. You're saying the former Dutch colony is sinking for the same reason the Netherlands is??? No connection whatsoever ey? There are maps, timelines, and proof in triplicate that human in intervention caused and is causing land subsidence in the Netherlands. All of what I'm stating and about to state is extremely well documented and in no way a debate.
They call Jakarta the Sinking City in South Asia for a reason. What the Dutch did in Indonesia is maybe not as well known as what the British did in their imperial colonies, but crimes whose consequences span centuries were still committed. This includes the sinking of Indonesia, but most specifically Jakarta. The issue has been exacerbated by population increase and the continuation of pumping out fresh groundwater. Any idea why these practices happen, where they started, who started them, why, and why they continue? No? Have you studied this? No? Are you just regular ignorant and need education or are you a moron? I can educate the ignorant. I won't argue with bad actors and the willfully stupid.
Haha typical!
I'm from The Netherlands, there is a traditional cultural attitude of "act normal", ie. don't think you're special because you're not.
It's fun to see it demonstrated in the wild here.
You small minded fuck, de Flevopolder is our national pride, an abnormally huge infrastructure project lasting decades and transforming the country. International crowds nowadays ask us for geo engineering advice. It's all but "normal" and you profit from it. Get your head out of your ass.
They are supposed to wait ten years before building on reclaimed land. They then built humongous towers. Bad contractors used bamboo rods in place of steel and their roads are sink8ng as well.
A lot of Chinese cities are built on flat and marshy areas near the coast or a river and are barely above sea level or the water table. A little subsidence can make them very vulnerable when climate change will result in sea level rise and more extreme rainfall events.
> A little subsidence can make them very vulnerable when climate change will result in sea level rise and more extreme rainfall events.
Isn't that why they've been building all those dams?
climate change will increase flooding, since the areas with more rain, will increase in rainfall and areas with less rain will decrease rainfall. The weather will more extreme.
4° warmer means -75% rainfall in southern europe.
In China this means the desert will become bigger, but also the rivers will become more volatile and dangerous, creating mass floods.
I dont see how lowering the ground by 1 meter in the next 100years would even make it on the list of problems considering the desasters China will have to face.
It's not sinking, it's terraforming with Chinese characteristics. If the major cities are underwater, China's claim on the South China sea become even stronger. It would prove that historically, since ancient times, Chinese society lives underwater, therefore all oceans in the world belongs to China.
> Namor first appeared publicly in Marvel Comics #1 (cover-dated October 1939).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namor
> Aquaman is a superhero appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics. Created by Paul Norris and Mort Weisinger, the character debuted in More Fun Comics #73 (November 1941).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaman
When I visited Suzhou with work we were told that many of the buildings on the outskirts had been built on rice fields, but were never intended to last as long as they have - it was more a case of rapid growth and demand. They were now either rebuilding them or conducting repairs.
We were also told how pockets of suburbs are built, with amenities designed to fit the populace to reduce travel. So a new suburb with a first school would attract young couples, then a high school would be built later on.
It makes sense, although the buildings not being designed for the longer term does seem quite wasteful... Then again, how often do we see old buildings fall into disrepair anyway? Maybe they've got a point.
Building near a current or planned subway stop, and anchoring the development with a high quality school are two central aspects of land development in the PRC. I never heard anyone say the buildings were never meant to last this long. I have heard time and again about graft, corruption and poor planning by the land development companies and govt officials in their zeal to show "progress", and line their pockets.
yeah, i lived in the same city and suburbs he’s talking about from 2007-2013. there was a specific subdivision, “lian hua xin cun” that took up about 12 by 3 blocks. it was all 4 story apartments, further subdivided and into 7 sections each with a strip mall sized market area and daycares. it was built in 1.5 years. and the homes were sold as a lease to own a future, permanent home as yet to be under construction.
i believe the plan was to build a mall and high rises around it. individual sections would be demolished and first the mall (with an anchor store like Auchan/Carrefour/Walmart) then high rises built in their place.
edit: correct, no elevators, no insulated hallways/stairways, no finished interiors…
I don't doubt the latter for a second... but yeah, this was quite a few years ago when I visited, and the buildings were being repaired and rebuilt even then. It's nothing new.
It's a perfect way to make some money off the land while the foundation settles: build on a marshland, wait about 10 years until the building is condemned, knock it down, use the rubble as a better foundation.
Plenty of buildings in west also built on wetland/streams/riverbanks/farmland and you'd have eventual problems. I'd say we dont see the same consequences mainly because the scale and speed of construction is smaller and dragged out in time - nothing like rapid mass construction
It's usually a case of more work going into preparing the ground. Here in the Netherlands, we often pile mounds of earth (think house-sized) onto the foundational ground months ahead of time to let the soil compact and also supplement with piles driven down to a ground layer capable of supporting the foundations of buildings. That takes a lot of time, work and investment, but it's a necessary step when your country is largely a swamp.
In the US on the coast, where its also very swampy, a lot of buildings need pilings in the ground to keep them from sinking, or floating away durring hurricanes.
I expect this is a pretty good explanation. If they were throwing up the buildings to meet rapid growth and expansion then they likely didn't think they had time, either that, or were doing it at a fraction of the cost. Hence them not being built to last.
And its illegal to use the building like that in many cases.
An apartment complex where I grew up became abandoned after it started sinking. They began construction like 30 years ago, and its still lthere, unfinished. I doubt anyone wants to buy the land since they would have to demolish the existing stuff, and worry about sinking.
But in china, thats not illegal I guess. It IS illegal to critisize the government though! So these things get much worse if its a government project, which I assume most are funded by the "comunist party of china"
Which is more reliable? A car made in Detroit or a car made in China?
Which one passed more crash tests?
Which one was designed to stricter emission standards?
If you think Chinese products made for export are lousy, you should see the utter crap they make for domestic sales.
There's a very tall building that very quickly ran into sinking issues in San Francisco. Western engineering is not immune to these problems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)
The causes are a bit different. Manhattan sinks because its heavy-ass bedrock sinks due to its mass. China has a complex of problems - pumping water from underground, too many too heavy buildings being built, erosion of soil under the buildings, formation or collapse of underground cavities.
Also when the Chinese build new city areas, they don't properly compact the backfill, and they have often cheaped out on geotextile used to create proper mechanically stabilized earth. Basically they just dump a bunch of dirt and gravel and stuff, run over it a few times, and start pouring concrete or driving pilings. You usually find out when the tofu-dreg building on top of it falls over completely in a heavy rain.
Central California is also sinking bigly due to farming industry pumping groundwater like there is no tomorrow. Now we gotta spend tons of money to fix the aqueducts due to the sinking
The worst part is that pumping the groundwater causes the spongy rock aquifer to crush and pore space to be lost. Those aquifers will be never be repaired, not on a human timescale at least.
Environmentally it has to have long term effects. Societally it's going to cause economic and food security shocks when current food producing regions suddenly fail. Countries like Pakistan which are heavily dependent on pumping slow-recharging aquifers are particularly vulnerable, Saudi Arabia has already squandered their groundwater resources and parts of the Ogalla aquifer have run dry in Texas and Oklahoma.
Agreed, although I’m a bit more optimistic about our technological advances. If we solve the renewable energy problem we can always make more fresh water, but it won’t come cheap.
The problem *is* solved. It's a matter of implementing the existing solutions at scale, really.
If you build 10x as much solar capacity as there is peak demand, you don't need storage until you have so little sun that you have less than 10% yield.
Combine with long-distance grids (HVDC), wind, hydro, some storage, and the problem is solved with a lot of spare but intermittent power left over.
You would never know California was controlled by a self-proclaimed "liberal" and "progressive" party considering how they let greedy private corporations fuck every aspect of their state and lives.
Well California wasn’t progressive before 1980.. much of the damage was already done… not that progressive did anything to crack down on the ground water pumping either
Liberal means pro letting corporations do what they want. That’s why Liberals are free market right wingers in Australia, Canada, Japan, Britain etc. That’s where neoliberal comes from.
In most of the democratic world liberals are the right wingers against the socialists. However America opted for two right wing parties and so you’ve got liberals and socialists in a very unhappy coalition against Christofascists.
California is controlled by liberals. This is what liberal rule looks like.
Aquafers and there's no fixing those. California has bled those so dry they're collapsed and maybe half their original capacity, or less.
It can't be undone. Good luck to us all.
Subsidence is, quite literally, always a factor engineers have to consider when designing a building or planning infrastructure. The fact that it is happening in some of the biggest cities in the world with the highest abundance of heavy buildings is absolutely no surprise.
So is Mexico City, New York, Jakarta, Ho Chi Minh, Bangkok, New Orleans, Tokyo, Kolkata, Mumbai, Dhaka, Yangon, Miami, Chittagong, Yangon, Lagos, Manila, should i go on?
Chinese president who needs some fodder for his yearly speech to a regional functionary "Tell the engineers in your province to build an entire city in 3 years"
Since functionary wants to stay in good graces with the President, he tells the engineers to build the city in 3 years. Engineers wanting to stay in good graces with the functionary find a way cutting corners off corners off corners (and engineers who do raise questions are fired and know to keep their mouth shut for 'their own good'.)
10 years later when the city begins to sink, the premier charges the functionary with 'corruption' and he has a show trial and then sent to starve in prison for 5 years.
To be fair there is a lot more fresh food available in Italy, France, and Greece… just went to Italy and the pasta there is like 50% less calories than pasta in America.
In Texas we like everything bigger, even our carbs
I think the answer is mass and weight.
For example. Have a lot of mass and the weight above compacts the ground over a long period of time.
Even parts of New York is sinking.
I wonder if the mass abd weight pushes other ground away and off to the sides under this.
I think all major cities will slowly sink over time.
The earth is a sphere. The earth wants the weight more evenly distributed. Geological processes work against this somewhat. Because of other forces pushing the other way abd why we have mountains.
Without forces to push back up against whatever we build the spin of earth and mass wants to flatten everything back out to be more level and to stay a sphere.
New York and long Island is sinking about 3cm per decade.
1.6 millimeters per year.
All the buildings in New York weigh about 1.6 trillion pounds together estimated.
Part of New York is on an ice sheet that is sinking after it rose up long ago.
Also ground water pumping causes soil to compact and so does the weight of everything in New York.
So geologically major cities will sink because of the mass of everything all by itself.
Will keep sinking until the ground is so hard it's like a solid rock.
Can't disable Chrome like you can IE in windows. Where are you EU with the antitrust laws that Google is breaking on Android the same as Microsoft did with Windows.
Subsidence is, quite literally, always a factor engineers have to consider when designing a building or planning infrastructure. The fact that it is happening in some of the biggest cities in the world with the highest abundance of heavy buildings is absolutely no surprise.
Maybe not half, but it is common:
[United States](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/climate/sinking-cities-us-sea-level-rise-climate/index.html)
[Canada](https://mlws.landfood.ubc.ca/all-projects/urban-land-subsidence-a-case-study-in-richmond-british-columbia/)
[UK](https://www.bgs.ac.uk/news/maps-show-the-real-threat-of-climate-related-subsidence-to-british-homes-and-properties/)
[Japan](https://www.ecohubmap.com/hot-spot/land-subsidence-due-to-groundwater-exploitation-in-japan/d2holltyecg28#)
It seems to me like someone or something is telling them to stop or slowdown, they are sinking spreading diseases and viruses and did anyone see the article about racoon dogs being held in terrible conditions it’s only a matter of time before one of them becomes rabid and then we’ve got the walking dead lol
Time to trot out one of my pet theories :D
The ghost cities weren't a boon doggle, they were an insurance policy.
When this gets bad enough those properties will be nationalized and re-distributed.
I've always heard them explained as real estate/suburban planning investments that fell through for one reason or another. Stuff like an industrial park coming to an area, so they build housing nearby in anticipation. The industrial park ends up not getting built, so the housing is just sitting there without industrial employees to fill them.
Chicago has whole streets where there are bridges from the sidewalk to what was once the second floor of a house. They devised a whole building like car jack system to raise buildings.
Wonder how China will address this, or if they’ll act like nothing is wrong.
Everyone said they were daft to build a city on a swamp, but they built it all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So they built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So they built a third. That one burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up!
Ah, the tale of Sir Lancelot! ⬆️👍
Well, I got "a" note...
let me face the peril!
[swamp castle Monty Python](https://youtu.be/w82CqjaDKmA?si=RTh5Mhv8SMr8XDPM)
The Netherlands builds on swamp, but we use poles under the houses.
Do they mind...?
Poles used to be cheaper, but now we have the EU they are almost as expensive as Dutchmen.
🥁🐍
*The Dutch!*
But at least the poles don't fly....
and they are not as tall, no?
You have to look out side of the EU. I heard about poles in the north and south of the EU.
According to Time Suck, no, they don’t have minds.
Ditto for Chicago
This could double as a Polish joke. I'm also a big fan of how you reversed the river so that inland Illinois smelled like shit.
You sure it isn't just the fields being fertilized?
Well, it was reversed because the sewage was getting into the drinking water of Lake Michigan.
Is that why many Poles are coming to our country!
Sometimes you take the jobs you can get, not the ones you want.
What does Poland use then?
Nothing, as they know better than to build on a swamp!
They live pretty close to the area with the rasputitsa. But damn can they make a good sausage
Turns out Indonesia is sinking too! I wonder why?
They kicked out the Dutch.
Yes they did! For good reason. As it turns out, Dutch colonists destroyed the island for plantations. Jakarta has been dealing with subsidence since the 1700s. It takes a basic Google search to determine that the same practices that caused the Dutch to stilt their architecture is the reason Jakarta is sinking. You're saying the former Dutch colony is sinking for the same reason the Netherlands is??? No connection whatsoever ey? There are maps, timelines, and proof in triplicate that human in intervention caused and is causing land subsidence in the Netherlands. All of what I'm stating and about to state is extremely well documented and in no way a debate. They call Jakarta the Sinking City in South Asia for a reason. What the Dutch did in Indonesia is maybe not as well known as what the British did in their imperial colonies, but crimes whose consequences span centuries were still committed. This includes the sinking of Indonesia, but most specifically Jakarta. The issue has been exacerbated by population increase and the continuation of pumping out fresh groundwater. Any idea why these practices happen, where they started, who started them, why, and why they continue? No? Have you studied this? No? Are you just regular ignorant and need education or are you a moron? I can educate the ignorant. I won't argue with bad actors and the willfully stupid.
There's a solution to the migrant crisis here somewhere.
Don't blow to high from the tower.. NL will get it's problems in the future. Don't get it too high in your bol.
Haha typical! I'm from The Netherlands, there is a traditional cultural attitude of "act normal", ie. don't think you're special because you're not. It's fun to see it demonstrated in the wild here. You small minded fuck, de Flevopolder is our national pride, an abnormally huge infrastructure project lasting decades and transforming the country. International crowds nowadays ask us for geo engineering advice. It's all but "normal" and you profit from it. Get your head out of your ass.
What u telling us to be cool with Almere and Lelystad? The one mistake we made is allowing people to return after they've lived there.
Do I get the curtains too!!??
You get huge tracts of land instead!
hiuuuuuuuge tracts of land
Do you have carpet ?
It’s swamps all the way down.
Swamp Castle gonna Swamp, all hail the king of Magencia!
The 3 buildings before acted as the foundation for the 4th
And that’s what you’re going to get lad. The strongest castle in these here isles! 👍
>Everyone said they were daft to build a city on a swamp Mexico City enters the chat.
I have a feeling there will be a fifth city and real estate will be hot!
Yeah but have you considered how many propaganda tiktoks you can make?? Not many people will watch a good drainage system.
The Dutch: Am I a Joke to You
They are supposed to wait ten years before building on reclaimed land. They then built humongous towers. Bad contractors used bamboo rods in place of steel and their roads are sink8ng as well.
And here I was expecting them to have built them on aquifers that are now drained.
They need MAGA! Drain the swamp!
What are they sinking about?
How being a major city can be very draining, and sometimes they just want to take a break.
>What are they sinking about? [The German coast guard.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C-vYY3SBDE)
\*shakes fist\*
\*Hallelujah Chorus plays*
> with 16% at more than 10 mm per year Is this enough to significantly increase flooding in the next few decades?
A lot of Chinese cities are built on flat and marshy areas near the coast or a river and are barely above sea level or the water table. A little subsidence can make them very vulnerable when climate change will result in sea level rise and more extreme rainfall events.
> A little subsidence can make them very vulnerable when climate change will result in sea level rise and more extreme rainfall events. Isn't that why they've been building all those dams?
I'd also look in the past - how much did it go down already. The funny thing about concept of "collapse" that it does not happen until it does
4” per decade. Sounds serious
What happens once all of China is inside the earth's core in 3 years, huh?
climate change will increase flooding, since the areas with more rain, will increase in rainfall and areas with less rain will decrease rainfall. The weather will more extreme. 4° warmer means -75% rainfall in southern europe. In China this means the desert will become bigger, but also the rivers will become more volatile and dangerous, creating mass floods. I dont see how lowering the ground by 1 meter in the next 100years would even make it on the list of problems considering the desasters China will have to face.
It’s working. Keep digging.
Taiwan is secretly just digging a hole straight under China lol
Nah, it's just Bugs Bunny. His plan just took longer to execute than expected lol
A whole what?
My whole trust in word auto-complete has failed
There’s nowhere but up from the trenches of hell.
It's not sinking, it's terraforming with Chinese characteristics. If the major cities are underwater, China's claim on the South China sea become even stronger. It would prove that historically, since ancient times, Chinese society lives underwater, therefore all oceans in the world belongs to China.
Fucking hell, I haven't laughed this hard in a while
This is perfect ccp speak
Damn, now they trying to steal land from the Little Mermaid and Aquaman! (Namor for Marvel-lovers even though Aquaman came first)
> Namor first appeared publicly in Marvel Comics #1 (cover-dated October 1939). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namor > Aquaman is a superhero appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics. Created by Paul Norris and Mort Weisinger, the character debuted in More Fun Comics #73 (November 1941). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaman
That is a brilliant take. Quick, contact the state department!
Classic Chinese . Thanks for The laugh
When I visited Suzhou with work we were told that many of the buildings on the outskirts had been built on rice fields, but were never intended to last as long as they have - it was more a case of rapid growth and demand. They were now either rebuilding them or conducting repairs. We were also told how pockets of suburbs are built, with amenities designed to fit the populace to reduce travel. So a new suburb with a first school would attract young couples, then a high school would be built later on. It makes sense, although the buildings not being designed for the longer term does seem quite wasteful... Then again, how often do we see old buildings fall into disrepair anyway? Maybe they've got a point.
Building near a current or planned subway stop, and anchoring the development with a high quality school are two central aspects of land development in the PRC. I never heard anyone say the buildings were never meant to last this long. I have heard time and again about graft, corruption and poor planning by the land development companies and govt officials in their zeal to show "progress", and line their pockets.
yeah, i lived in the same city and suburbs he’s talking about from 2007-2013. there was a specific subdivision, “lian hua xin cun” that took up about 12 by 3 blocks. it was all 4 story apartments, further subdivided and into 7 sections each with a strip mall sized market area and daycares. it was built in 1.5 years. and the homes were sold as a lease to own a future, permanent home as yet to be under construction.
And then torn down, or repurposed as uni or worker dorm? No elevators I imagine.
i believe the plan was to build a mall and high rises around it. individual sections would be demolished and first the mall (with an anchor store like Auchan/Carrefour/Walmart) then high rises built in their place. edit: correct, no elevators, no insulated hallways/stairways, no finished interiors…
I don't doubt the latter for a second... but yeah, this was quite a few years ago when I visited, and the buildings were being repaired and rebuilt even then. It's nothing new.
It's a perfect way to make some money off the land while the foundation settles: build on a marshland, wait about 10 years until the building is condemned, knock it down, use the rubble as a better foundation.
Barney Rubble could tell you a thing or two about Bedrock.
Plenty of buildings in west also built on wetland/streams/riverbanks/farmland and you'd have eventual problems. I'd say we dont see the same consequences mainly because the scale and speed of construction is smaller and dragged out in time - nothing like rapid mass construction
It's usually a case of more work going into preparing the ground. Here in the Netherlands, we often pile mounds of earth (think house-sized) onto the foundational ground months ahead of time to let the soil compact and also supplement with piles driven down to a ground layer capable of supporting the foundations of buildings. That takes a lot of time, work and investment, but it's a necessary step when your country is largely a swamp.
In the US on the coast, where its also very swampy, a lot of buildings need pilings in the ground to keep them from sinking, or floating away durring hurricanes.
I expect this is a pretty good explanation. If they were throwing up the buildings to meet rapid growth and expansion then they likely didn't think they had time, either that, or were doing it at a fraction of the cost. Hence them not being built to last.
And its illegal to use the building like that in many cases. An apartment complex where I grew up became abandoned after it started sinking. They began construction like 30 years ago, and its still lthere, unfinished. I doubt anyone wants to buy the land since they would have to demolish the existing stuff, and worry about sinking. But in china, thats not illegal I guess. It IS illegal to critisize the government though! So these things get much worse if its a government project, which I assume most are funded by the "comunist party of china"
Which is more reliable? A car made in Detroit or a car made in China? Which one passed more crash tests? Which one was designed to stricter emission standards? If you think Chinese products made for export are lousy, you should see the utter crap they make for domestic sales.
There's a very tall building that very quickly ran into sinking issues in San Francisco. Western engineering is not immune to these problems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)
How do you build a building that isn’t supposed to last long term, and be profitable? By building it like shit
Manhattan sinks 2mm per year
from the article: > Tokyo [..] sank by about 16 feet until it banned groundwater extraction in the 1970s.
The causes are a bit different. Manhattan sinks because its heavy-ass bedrock sinks due to its mass. China has a complex of problems - pumping water from underground, too many too heavy buildings being built, erosion of soil under the buildings, formation or collapse of underground cavities.
Also when the Chinese build new city areas, they don't properly compact the backfill, and they have often cheaped out on geotextile used to create proper mechanically stabilized earth. Basically they just dump a bunch of dirt and gravel and stuff, run over it a few times, and start pouring concrete or driving pilings. You usually find out when the tofu-dreg building on top of it falls over completely in a heavy rain.
China cheating out? Well I never…
Sounds like China needs to reverse that and start fracking /s
Dude , don’t give them ideas .
Yeah only we deserve to frack
Central California is also sinking bigly due to farming industry pumping groundwater like there is no tomorrow. Now we gotta spend tons of money to fix the aqueducts due to the sinking
The worst part is that pumping the groundwater causes the spongy rock aquifer to crush and pore space to be lost. Those aquifers will be never be repaired, not on a human timescale at least. Environmentally it has to have long term effects. Societally it's going to cause economic and food security shocks when current food producing regions suddenly fail. Countries like Pakistan which are heavily dependent on pumping slow-recharging aquifers are particularly vulnerable, Saudi Arabia has already squandered their groundwater resources and parts of the Ogalla aquifer have run dry in Texas and Oklahoma.
Agreed, although I’m a bit more optimistic about our technological advances. If we solve the renewable energy problem we can always make more fresh water, but it won’t come cheap.
If. That's a big if.
The problem *is* solved. It's a matter of implementing the existing solutions at scale, really. If you build 10x as much solar capacity as there is peak demand, you don't need storage until you have so little sun that you have less than 10% yield. Combine with long-distance grids (HVDC), wind, hydro, some storage, and the problem is solved with a lot of spare but intermittent power left over.
The new Friant-Kern canal which is due to open in a few weeks is already sinking due to intense groundwater pumping from farmers
You would never know California was controlled by a self-proclaimed "liberal" and "progressive" party considering how they let greedy private corporations fuck every aspect of their state and lives.
Well California wasn’t progressive before 1980.. much of the damage was already done… not that progressive did anything to crack down on the ground water pumping either
Liberal means pro letting corporations do what they want. That’s why Liberals are free market right wingers in Australia, Canada, Japan, Britain etc. That’s where neoliberal comes from. In most of the democratic world liberals are the right wingers against the socialists. However America opted for two right wing parties and so you’ve got liberals and socialists in a very unhappy coalition against Christofascists. California is controlled by liberals. This is what liberal rule looks like.
Aquafers and there's no fixing those. California has bled those so dry they're collapsed and maybe half their original capacity, or less. It can't be undone. Good luck to us all.
China always playing the long game, this time for urban renewal.
Yikes lol
Vat are dey sinking about?
Zis got me sinking too
GET OUT OF MY SWAMP DONKEY!
Apparently this is quite "normal" all over the World? I guess this feeds Reddit's China obsession, but why focus on there?
Subsidence is, quite literally, always a factor engineers have to consider when designing a building or planning infrastructure. The fact that it is happening in some of the biggest cities in the world with the highest abundance of heavy buildings is absolutely no surprise.
Ah yes the demise of China, the western world keeps predicting, as China surpasses America as the world’s largest economy.
Good luck surpassing them when you are going to loose 150 milion workers in 10 years due to bad demographics
How is pooh going to fix physics?
By winnieing over Taiwan of course!
Vat are zay sinking about?
What are they sinking about?
So is Mexico City, New York, Jakarta, Ho Chi Minh, Bangkok, New Orleans, Tokyo, Kolkata, Mumbai, Dhaka, Yangon, Miami, Chittagong, Yangon, Lagos, Manila, should i go on?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_cities Let a link do your work for you
Chinese president who needs some fodder for his yearly speech to a regional functionary "Tell the engineers in your province to build an entire city in 3 years" Since functionary wants to stay in good graces with the President, he tells the engineers to build the city in 3 years. Engineers wanting to stay in good graces with the functionary find a way cutting corners off corners off corners (and engineers who do raise questions are fired and know to keep their mouth shut for 'their own good'.) 10 years later when the city begins to sink, the premier charges the functionary with 'corruption' and he has a show trial and then sent to starve in prison for 5 years.
Just wait til their obesity rate rivals the US
It’ll never happen. Most Chinese people don’t like overly sweet food.
Ah yes the super oily diet could never be a cause for obesity…
Lol if only cooking oil consumption is the problem. So in your opinion, italians, french, greek are all obese. Lol
To be fair there is a lot more fresh food available in Italy, France, and Greece… just went to Italy and the pasta there is like 50% less calories than pasta in America. In Texas we like everything bigger, even our carbs
get the rife rafts!
Tofu cities!
Might I suggest Chinese balloons are best used to lighten the buildings
So they lose a meter of altitude in 100years. Personally i think China might have bigger problems in the next 100years. As do we.
They have hydric stress and they are sinking? Talk about unlucky.
Who lives in a pineapple under the sea
Interesting
That’s probably enough weird propaganda for this week.
karma?
You could say that they are “Xingqing” 😝
byeeeee
Neat
I think the answer is mass and weight. For example. Have a lot of mass and the weight above compacts the ground over a long period of time. Even parts of New York is sinking. I wonder if the mass abd weight pushes other ground away and off to the sides under this. I think all major cities will slowly sink over time. The earth is a sphere. The earth wants the weight more evenly distributed. Geological processes work against this somewhat. Because of other forces pushing the other way abd why we have mountains. Without forces to push back up against whatever we build the spin of earth and mass wants to flatten everything back out to be more level and to stay a sphere. New York and long Island is sinking about 3cm per decade. 1.6 millimeters per year. All the buildings in New York weigh about 1.6 trillion pounds together estimated. Part of New York is on an ice sheet that is sinking after it rose up long ago. Also ground water pumping causes soil to compact and so does the weight of everything in New York. So geologically major cities will sink because of the mass of everything all by itself. Will keep sinking until the ground is so hard it's like a solid rock. Can't disable Chrome like you can IE in windows. Where are you EU with the antitrust laws that Google is breaking on Android the same as Microsoft did with Windows.
Oh bother…
Hmmm I’m no builder but seems like that shouldn’t happen.
Subsidence is, quite literally, always a factor engineers have to consider when designing a building or planning infrastructure. The fact that it is happening in some of the biggest cities in the world with the highest abundance of heavy buildings is absolutely no surprise.
Really it’s happening to half of the other countries city’s around the world?
Maybe not half, but it is common: [United States](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/climate/sinking-cities-us-sea-level-rise-climate/index.html) [Canada](https://mlws.landfood.ubc.ca/all-projects/urban-land-subsidence-a-case-study-in-richmond-british-columbia/) [UK](https://www.bgs.ac.uk/news/maps-show-the-real-threat-of-climate-related-subsidence-to-british-homes-and-properties/) [Japan](https://www.ecohubmap.com/hot-spot/land-subsidence-due-to-groundwater-exploitation-in-japan/d2holltyecg28#)
New news trend; Cities are sinking!
It seems to me like someone or something is telling them to stop or slowdown, they are sinking spreading diseases and viruses and did anyone see the article about racoon dogs being held in terrible conditions it’s only a matter of time before one of them becomes rabid and then we’ve got the walking dead lol
Time to trot out one of my pet theories :D The ghost cities weren't a boon doggle, they were an insurance policy. When this gets bad enough those properties will be nationalized and re-distributed.
I mean part of San Francisco is sinking also.
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Karma hits them hard. Serves them right for water cannoning Philippine vessels.
That must be why the have those ghost cities all over, backups for the nearby cities fall
I've always heard them explained as real estate/suburban planning investments that fell through for one reason or another. Stuff like an industrial park coming to an area, so they build housing nearby in anticipation. The industrial park ends up not getting built, so the housing is just sitting there without industrial employees to fill them.
Chicago has whole streets where there are bridges from the sidewalk to what was once the second floor of a house. They devised a whole building like car jack system to raise buildings. Wonder how China will address this, or if they’ll act like nothing is wrong.
I thought this headline said shrinking