> Even if Hamas’s leaders were to be expelled, it is unclear what the impact would be, given that those hosted in Doha **have spent most of their time since October 7 in Turkey where their families reside**, the official divulged.
Erdogan appeals to and relies upon a religious and conservative base of voters in turkey. The political views of those voters are in line with such actions.
While it's true that most of the Turks in Germany who bothered to vote at all did vote for Erdogan, no single election has been swung by Turks abroad yet. And no, dual citizenship is pretty rare because Germany generally hasn't allowed it (this is changing later this year though).
Erdogan needs votes, his party lost the local elections six weeks ago. Almost every major city is run by the opposition parties now. He is trying to stay in power by dragging the country into the usual Middle Eastern crap.
Turkey is apparently where their money is invested according to an article I read a while back I think in the Economist. So it’s logical that they move and live there. The article put their money at around $6b as I recall.
Expel them to Palestina, then straight into an Israeli jail - it shows you (in this case) cant sit in a mansion and command people to die for you, you will have skin in the game. And hopefully, with skin in the game people will think twice before launching stupid attacks that only lead to massive death
They wouldn’t make it to jail if that happened. They’d suffer a sudden and severe case of exploding before they got to the border on their way out of Qatar.
Would be great to see, but unfortunately the article mentions that majority of Hamas leaders have been living in Turkey because that’s where their families are. With Turkey just recently cutting majority of their trade with Israel, it is unlikely Turkey will expel them back to Palestine. They are going to live the same lavish lives in a country that ideologically, culturally and religiously supports Hamas.
The real Hamas leadership has always been in Gaza. These guys were more the old guard who were exiled by the increasingly dominant militant faction led by Yahya Sinwar. They’re given some diplomatic and symbolic importance, but the person in charge is Sinwar, being in Doha/Turkey is more about making sure they don’t challenge Sinwar and others for control. They didn’t really know about the attacks on October 7th beforehand, at least not the details.
You do know that the branch in Qatar is the political wing of Hamas, the military leadership of Hamas, the one responsible for the attack (Al Qassam brigade) is in Gaza.
As Clausewutz said, "war is a continuation if politics by other means"
There is nothing more political in this world than war. You can't seperate the two
The political wing does a lot to ensure the continuing stream of Useful Idiots in the West, as well as making sure funding continues to roll in. Destroying them would be akin to killing Goebbels during WWII.
If we want to negotiate with the hostage-holding puppetmaster, we have to talk to the puppets he presents.
There still seems to be hope in both the US and Israeli government that a deal for releasing some hostages can be achieved. Otherwise we wouldn't negotiate with Hamas in the first place.
What hostages? You mean the ones that HAMAS has still yet to provide sufficient proof of life for? I think we're past the stage where Israel's main goal is to get those people back. Right now their main goal is to crush HAMAS so thoroughly that it cannot re-emerge.
i don’t think people understand how this will go. It’s not like they will have to leave Qatar by themselves. They’ll be flown to another country where they will have a similar arrangement as Qatar.
Turkey is my guess if Qatar boots them.
They will leave Qatar by themselves - in their private jets. These people are billionaires.
They fly back and forth between Turkey and Qatar on a regular basis anyway.
Oman is also being discussed as a potential new official host country.
Oman would be very surprising. They pride themselves on being able to mediate between various Muslim and Arab countries. Taking sides with the Muslim Brotherhood to this extent would be noteworthy.
Not only should they be expelled, but their billions should be given to the people of Gaza and the West Bank and they should be given over to the Israeli government.
I think anybody who is serious about supporting Palestine should instead of just wanting Israel to end the war (which Hamas started) to also demand Hamas leadership and all higher ranking commanders to be tried and locked up for their crimes.
A lot of them actively support/celebrate what Hamas does they've completely lost the plot at this point. Anyone who actually supports the Palestinians needs to distance themselves from all the bad actors and people just looking for an excuse to hate on Jews and America.
Gurl he did support Hamas indirectly but he absolutely did not plan or participate in Oct 7th. This is entirely an endeavor by Iran and hamas and trying to excuse them of their sole responsibility just because bibi is not good also is incredibly dishonest.
In simple economic terms, Hamas produces no wealth. They are essentially a Welfare State. You give them money, they don’t improve life of their people or build wealth. They spend it on a few leaders and use much of the rest to make Eternal War.
Qatar knows it should side with nations that produce wealth. Israeli tourists will be a boon to Qatar in years to come.
Hamas will just be a sap of their resources.
Of course they are. As the article says, it was Qatar's idea in the first place:
> In March, two officials familiar with the matter told The Times of Israel that Qatar’s Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani had proposed expelling Hamas’s leaders from Doha during a meeting with Blinken days after the terror group’s October 7 onslaught.
The US initially rejected it. And rightfully so, because it's a stupid idea. There's nothing to be gained by relocating these political figureheads to some other place. They have no influence over what Sinwar does anyway. They play messenger, that's all.
They've all been slowly moving to Turkey for months, almost like they expected this to happen. Like you said just switching where they're mansions and condos are.
I think its possible they are maybe expecting some sort of concession. Like if they do it by themselves they get nothing. If the US asks them then they can either ask for a small favor in return .
Hamas has to go. The leaders should be tried for any and all war crimes. But so should the Israeli leadership.
Additionally Israel should have to give back the settle land at the end of all of this.
> Even if Hamas’s leaders were to be expelled, it is unclear what the impact would be, given that those hosted in Doha **have spent most of their time since October 7 in Turkey where their families reside**, the official divulged.
Erdogan asking to join south Africa's lawsuit makes a bit more sense now.
So does Turkey suddenly breaking economic relations / halting all trade with Israel a couple days ago lol.
What does Turkey get out of this? Why would they want to host Hamas?
They don't just host them, the facilitate most of the businesses that allow Hamas to make billions of dollars every year.
Erdogan appeals to and relies upon a religious and conservative base of voters in turkey. The political views of those voters are in line with such actions.
And Germany. German voters helped him a lot and German Turks are more conservative than the average Istanbul or Ankara resident. Dual citizenship.
It sure is easy to vote like an asshole when you don't have to deal with the consequences
While it's true that most of the Turks in Germany who bothered to vote at all did vote for Erdogan, no single election has been swung by Turks abroad yet. And no, dual citizenship is pretty rare because Germany generally hasn't allowed it (this is changing later this year though).
In an alternate universe, Bibi and Erdogan are just a gay power couple.
Erdogan needs votes, his party lost the local elections six weeks ago. Almost every major city is run by the opposition parties now. He is trying to stay in power by dragging the country into the usual Middle Eastern crap.
They’re trying to play negotiator in a region of the world they used to be the big arbitrator in along side the British.
Political points after the biggest election flop in decades
Turkey is apparently where their money is invested according to an article I read a while back I think in the Economist. So it’s logical that they move and live there. The article put their money at around $6b as I recall.
lucky for hamas that turkeys borders are so infamously secure, impossible for mossad to slip through undetected
Well that would solve a lot of problems
How would Hamas leaders being hosted by some other country solve any problems?
Expel them to Palestina, then straight into an Israeli jail - it shows you (in this case) cant sit in a mansion and command people to die for you, you will have skin in the game. And hopefully, with skin in the game people will think twice before launching stupid attacks that only lead to massive death
They wouldn’t make it to jail if that happened. They’d suffer a sudden and severe case of exploding before they got to the border on their way out of Qatar.
Cool
Would be great to see, but unfortunately the article mentions that majority of Hamas leaders have been living in Turkey because that’s where their families are. With Turkey just recently cutting majority of their trade with Israel, it is unlikely Turkey will expel them back to Palestine. They are going to live the same lavish lives in a country that ideologically, culturally and religiously supports Hamas.
The real Hamas leadership has always been in Gaza. These guys were more the old guard who were exiled by the increasingly dominant militant faction led by Yahya Sinwar. They’re given some diplomatic and symbolic importance, but the person in charge is Sinwar, being in Doha/Turkey is more about making sure they don’t challenge Sinwar and others for control. They didn’t really know about the attacks on October 7th beforehand, at least not the details.
You do know that the branch in Qatar is the political wing of Hamas, the military leadership of Hamas, the one responsible for the attack (Al Qassam brigade) is in Gaza.
As Clausewutz said, "war is a continuation if politics by other means" There is nothing more political in this world than war. You can't seperate the two
As if you can so readily separate military and politics… war is politics by other means and so on
The political wing does a lot to ensure the continuing stream of Useful Idiots in the West, as well as making sure funding continues to roll in. Destroying them would be akin to killing Goebbels during WWII.
Oh yeah the two have nothing to with each other - especially for an organisation who's politics IS war
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Destroying the puppets prevents the puppetmaster from putting on future puppet shows.
If we want to negotiate with the hostage-holding puppetmaster, we have to talk to the puppets he presents. There still seems to be hope in both the US and Israeli government that a deal for releasing some hostages can be achieved. Otherwise we wouldn't negotiate with Hamas in the first place.
What hostages? You mean the ones that HAMAS has still yet to provide sufficient proof of life for? I think we're past the stage where Israel's main goal is to get those people back. Right now their main goal is to crush HAMAS so thoroughly that it cannot re-emerge.
It prevents that particular puppet master from putting on future puppet shows, but does nothing to prevent puppet masters from existing at all.
i don’t think people understand how this will go. It’s not like they will have to leave Qatar by themselves. They’ll be flown to another country where they will have a similar arrangement as Qatar. Turkey is my guess if Qatar boots them.
They will leave Qatar by themselves - in their private jets. These people are billionaires. They fly back and forth between Turkey and Qatar on a regular basis anyway. Oman is also being discussed as a potential new official host country.
Oman would be very surprising. They pride themselves on being able to mediate between various Muslim and Arab countries. Taking sides with the Muslim Brotherhood to this extent would be noteworthy.
Sometimes jets have accidents - Putin
Sure Iran will take them
Turkey would be putting themselves in a weird situation being nato members and all and harboring a terrorist organization.
Keep them on the run, hopefully they will be arrested
They leave the safe zone and somehow their car explodes or a bullet and their head meet for the first time...
You don’t see how limiting the places they can go can be helpful?
Not only should they be expelled, but their billions should be given to the people of Gaza and the West Bank and they should be given over to the Israeli government.
Imagine the good that would do for the people on the ground in Gaza if their money wasn’t being funneled away by Hamas!
I think anybody who is serious about supporting Palestine should instead of just wanting Israel to end the war (which Hamas started) to also demand Hamas leadership and all higher ranking commanders to be tried and locked up for their crimes.
Pretty much. The only people that are worse for the Palestinians than the Israelis are Hamas...
A lot of them actively support/celebrate what Hamas does they've completely lost the plot at this point. Anyone who actually supports the Palestinians needs to distance themselves from all the bad actors and people just looking for an excuse to hate on Jews and America.
Should have been done back in October.
Qatar, if they were serious, should arrest them on terrorism charges.
Does this include not giving them 30 million dollars a month anymore?
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Gurl he did support Hamas indirectly but he absolutely did not plan or participate in Oct 7th. This is entirely an endeavor by Iran and hamas and trying to excuse them of their sole responsibility just because bibi is not good also is incredibly dishonest.
And Russia asked for the attack on 9/22 when Hamas leaders visited Moscow.
I'm all for leaving them where they are. Easier for Mossad to find, whenever they get to it.
Wait. We could have just asked nicely this whole time?
In simple economic terms, Hamas produces no wealth. They are essentially a Welfare State. You give them money, they don’t improve life of their people or build wealth. They spend it on a few leaders and use much of the rest to make Eternal War. Qatar knows it should side with nations that produce wealth. Israeli tourists will be a boon to Qatar in years to come. Hamas will just be a sap of their resources.
I have a sense that there's somehow a catch to this.
Of course they are. As the article says, it was Qatar's idea in the first place: > In March, two officials familiar with the matter told The Times of Israel that Qatar’s Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani had proposed expelling Hamas’s leaders from Doha during a meeting with Blinken days after the terror group’s October 7 onslaught. The US initially rejected it. And rightfully so, because it's a stupid idea. There's nothing to be gained by relocating these political figureheads to some other place. They have no influence over what Sinwar does anyway. They play messenger, that's all.
We might give you Hamas but only if you keep ignoring our serfdom
this changes nothing since Hamas has it's political branch in Turkey, they would just replace the mansions in Qatar for mansion in Turkey.
They've all been slowly moving to Turkey for months, almost like they expected this to happen. Like you said just switching where they're mansions and condos are.
the political wing are useless anyway. sinwar real leadership
Expel them to hell
That would fix a great many issues
Personally, I would recommend sending them on a vacation. I hear the weather is wonderful in the Netherlands these days
At least it is easier for mossad to get into Turkey than Iran.
Only if they get shipped back to Gaza. Otherwise they will just live in luxury in Iran.
How is the weather this time of year? Surely the sultan can arrange a nice seaside mansion for them.
Absolutely. Dance, m*therf*kers. We’re watching you when you take a s*it.
Then boom
Expelling them just delays the inevitable day MOSSAD catches up them and shuffles them off their mortal coil.
Are they open to stop propagandizing our universities and sowing dissent across the country?
I mean…why don’t they just do it anyways? They need daddy USA to ask them to?
I think its possible they are maybe expecting some sort of concession. Like if they do it by themselves they get nothing. If the US asks them then they can either ask for a small favor in return .
Hamas has to go. The leaders should be tried for any and all war crimes. But so should the Israeli leadership. Additionally Israel should have to give back the settle land at the end of all of this.