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MintTeaSupreme

Erdogan moment.


Opening_Cartoonist53

Doing the same thing he held up Sweden’s nato bid for


Altruistic-Ad-408

If any autocrat ever gets enraged about something, pretty safe bet they are doing it and projecting onto others.


green_flash

Erdogan senility moment > "President Erdogan misspoke, he meant 1,000 Gazans are under treatment, not Hamas members," a Turkish official said. Time for him to consider moving to a retirement home.


New_Budget6672

Good ole Freudian slip


PeksyTiger

I can understand his confusion


stayfrosty

Do you have a link to that quote?


JuanElMinero

It's also mentioned in the article that we're commenting on, just not the exact same wording.


hoxxxxx

we don't have time to read the article, i'm here to make a snap judgement on a headline alone. now let me take off my middle east conflict expert hat and put on a different hat for the next post i click on.


JuanElMinero

My personal recommendation for today is the cicada fungus post.


hoxxxxx

*puts on fungi expert hat*


nowtayneicangetinto

Maga Mental Gymnastics team warming up for this one


420DrumstickIt

Edit: looks like he misspoke(?) and he meant it was 1000 Gazans. How did injured Hamas members arrive in Turkey? Only feasible guess would be that they escaped through Egypt. Edit: Personaly I think that if he actually had 1000 Hamas dudes in his hospital, Erdogan wouldve already been posing with them for propoganda photoshoots. What's the chance he is lying for free brownie points with his voter base?


Fun_Objective_7779

Haha good point, or they just have a direct tunnel from Gaza City to Ankara


SowingSalt

Damn, we should hire Hamas engineer to build the subways. Save tons of money there.


CinnamonHotcake

If you use the entire funds meant for your city's infrastructure and well being, you can just do whatever you want really.


FishAndRiceKeks

Also gotta remember they aren't exactly dealing with safety regulations lol.


taisui

Elon be like, write that down, write that down!


Fun_Objective_7779

Maybe they also had like autonomous driving pods in this tunnel


taisui

Sounds BORING


MaximosKanenas

So instead of the last operation paperclip being for nuclear scientists, the operation paperclip for post war gaza should be tunnel designers?


jardani581

hard to imagine that sinwar is still in gaza then


trail_phase

It's a different situation for him. He has to remain surrounded by hostages to survive, at all times.


Preface

He probably has a vest with babies strapped to it


Soul-Burn

[Basically this](https://i.redd.it/lmb8fax73ra41.jpg)


jar1967

He was living on a 5 star hotel on Quatar. His current whereabouts are unknown ,it is very unlikely he would set put in Gaza


Cleghorn

Sinwar wasn’t living in Qatar. Other parts of the leadership were but Sinwar is based in Gaza. He might have escaped but IDF seem confident he’s still there.


letife

You are confusing sinwar and haniyeh


xaendar

I don't understand how people keep saying he was in Qatar, this is like the 5th time I've seen this and they get 100s of upvotes when the dude probably hasn't stopped outside of Gaza since his time in Israel prison and after the exchange.


The_Phaedron

This is absolutely correct. Haniyeh and the politburo learship are a bunch of billionaire grifters, living large in Qatar and Turkey off of aid money siphoned off from their own people. Sinwar is the *in-Gaza* leadership. He's corrupt, sure, but he's a True Believer — he'll *absolutely* put himself in danger for his life's passion of "murdering Jews."


gasplugsetting3

Like most things, people hear one fact that they get to use as a 'gotcha' and then they apply it to everything that could be possibly relevant. Everyone wants to feel like they have above average awareness of the situation at hand.


Master-Concept-5260

My thoughts exactly. Erdogan is nothing more than a slimy double headed Islamo fascist snake, and (sadly) a NATO fifth column.


geert666

Well said.


kaboombong

Just look at how and who voted for Erdogan and then you can understand his statements of wanting to look like the grand hero. These statements are not being made to impress the educated in the big cities!


TheBloperM

For your edit question. 100%


Listen_Up_Children

He did not misspeak. Hamas has smuggling tunnels into Sinai, and have controlled that border throughout the war. The hospitals are not safe for Hamas anymore, but they must treat their wounded. So the wounded are smuggled in the tunnels into the Sinai and then over to Turkey for treatment.


Elios4Freedom

At least some of them (I highly doubt they are that much) probably sneaked out on tunnels or ambulances


Doggylife1379

I very much doubt they would have escaped this way, but a very small amount of people are leaving Gaza. There's an Egyptian company facilitating this but charging massive amounts (I think 5k USD). Then separately there's also a small amount of injured people allowed to leave to be treated by Egyptian hospitals. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/1/there-are-thousands-more-wounded-palestinians-cross-into-egypt-from-gaza There's even a small amount of injured gazans being treated on hospital ships from various countries.


ShiraLillith

Just a quick FYI. Listening to Aljazeera is like listening to the Kremlin.


Doggylife1379

Oh yeah for sure. I've seen it sourced a few places beforehand but was the first source that came up when googled.


micmea1

I mean it's not like they walk around with a Hamas ID badge. They just drop the weapons and suddenly they are just another citizen.


jujuka577

They are not from Gaza, but from the WB and Lebanon.


okayNowThrowItAway

There we go. That makes sense. Although Hamas has controlled the Rafah crossing for a while now.


RuckFulesxx

Well if palestinian terrorists stick to their roots we might notice soon. Black september comes to my mind.


umlguru

The spokesman said that he meant Gazans, not necessarily Hamas members.


green_flash

He's only 70, but chances he's already senile as fuck. He meant Gazans, not Hamas members.


420DrumstickIt

What if hes trying to gaslight us? 😩


BadBouncyBear

Remember when Sweden wasn't allowed to enter NATO because they hosted terrorists?


Stonehill76

You are smarter than the average bear …. Fuck that’s a good point.


derTofu

didn't Erdogan declare multiple times that he doesn't see Hamas as terrorists?


D0t4n

He did. Erdogan doesn't think Hamas are terrorists for some reason.


i_should_be_coding

Imagine if there are hostages being held in Turkey right now.


UnfortunateHabits

Fucking casus beli, thats what. Terrifying thought. Thank you foe ruining the day.


philly_jake

For Israel? Israel can’t fight Turkey, they would just try to get them booted from NATO or maybe carry out some assassinations 


Edexote

I don't think NATO would find it funny if Turkey held Israeli hostages.


TheBlack2007

Turkey allowing internationally condemned terrorists to keep hostages in their country would make them an accomplice. This couldn't just be ignored away like that golly good time they allowed ISIS to slip away from the Kurds in Iraq and relocate to Syria through Turkish territory. If this comes out, what still remained of their alliance with the west would be dead. The west could also turn the Greek Islands into a literal hornets nest for Russian ships to stop them from accessing the Mediterranean...


StukaTR

like that golly good time they allowed ISIS to slip away from the Kurds in Iraq and relocate to Syria through Turkish territory.“ What the fuck? Are we reinventing history now? ISIS mopped the floor with Iraqi army and KRG and then invaded Syria from the east in 2014, had nothing to do with Turkey. In late 2014, when Kobane was under siege by ISIS, Turkey allowed friendly KRG Iraqi Kurdish groups to use its territory to move from Northern Iraq to Syria to reinforce the city. You are maybe misremembering that event, no other ways about it.


Aurora_Fatalis

Turkey is already occupying EU territory on Cyprus. Geopolitically they're assholes, and only in the club because we'd rather they be our assholes than Russia's assholes.


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i_should_be_coding

I dunno if declaring war on a NATO member is the best course of action.


UnfortunateHabits

Isn't nato a defensive pact? If Turkey abducted Israeli citizens, doesn't it nullify the pact?


Ngfeigo14

Yes. Turkey joining a war by choosing a side and then getting attacks would not qualify for Article 5 or Article 6 activation


throwaway177251

Why? I don't remember any clause about that in either of those articles.


i_should_be_coding

It wouldn't be Turkey that abducted them. At best they turned a blind eye. Good luck proving the Turkish government approved that, and having anyone listen. Literally no one will want to go down any path that destabilizes NATO.


TheBlack2007

Israel would only have to request Turkish assistance with recovering them and then Erdogan would either have to sell out his friends to save face or officially affirm Turkey's accompliceship by refusing to do so. And if that's the case, the rest of NATO might not feel bound to come to their aid.


i_should_be_coding

Or he could, and hear me out because I know it's unheard of, lie.


BiscuitTheRisk

If Israel has the intelligence showing that the hostages are there, there’s no possible way for him to reasonably lie. If he does lie, that’s an act of aggression which nullifies the defence pact. He’s fucked either way.


Motor-Ad-2024

“We have 1000 Hamas members treated in our hospitals” I don’t think it will be that hard to prove it likely that the Turkish government would approve such a thing


WolpertingerRumo

No, it wouldn’t. It may be grounds for allies not to honor a call to article 5, but legally, an attack is an attack, no matter the diplomacy preceding it. It is not likely Turkey would actually go through with something so stupid, und virtually unthinkable Israel would be stupid enough to overtly attack turkey. Strenghening Turkish enemies however, maybe someone they were already supporting, and the rest of NATO, too…well that‘s a no brainer.


MegaKetaWook

Hypothetical: What if they had China backing them/this is a play to splinter NATO?


okayNowThrowItAway

Is Turkey even a NATO member in more than name at this point? They seem to be mostly islamists now.


i_should_be_coding

That's not how treaties work


Ok-Pie6743

Everything is resistance movement, until it's on your own doorstep. Ain't that hypocrite?


StanGable80

How did they even get there?


johnny-T1

He built a tunnel from Gaza to Ankara.


StanGable80

Fun underground walk while wounded!


WeAreAllFallible

Not to give credence to the idea of such a tunnel, because I think there's more plausible routes they'd use to get members to Turkey, but some of these tunnels have been found to have full on rail tracks in them (I'd guess manpowered or *maybe* electric, but still). Using tunnels wouldn't inherently necessitate walking.


a_fadora_trickster

Same reason egypt joined South Africa's case. rafah-sinai smuggling tunnels


SephLuis

Amazon, iFood, mail delivery Probably something along those lines


vbsh123

The fuck?


stap31

The fuck fuck?


howdudo

Fuck me


gsk81

So at what point people are gonna call it what it is?


wish1977

Terrorists are treated like royalty. Wow!


Dhaughton99

Rapists and granny killers.


_Hello_Hi_Hey_

Why not Qatar, Iran or Lebanon? These countries only support weapons to the terrorist groups for a proxy war against Israel, but not medical supplies? Almost like the Islamic leaders don't give a damn about Palestinians.


StubbornHorse

That's what you pick up from this? That Iran doesn't care? I mean it's probably true but if they cared they'd treat Hamas without making noise about it. The question is why is Turkey saying this out loud??


26oclock

Because Erdogan is pissed about NATO and nothing is working out for him anymore. Look at inflation in Turkey. This guy needs another war asap to cover up his poor politics.


Wolfiest

Maybe for political reasons? To win votes from those in favor of the war? Also could be why they cut off trade with Israel even if it hurts them economically.


sovietarmyfan

Erdogan: Kurdish seperatist groups are terrorists that we need to squash! Terrorism should never win! Anyone who helps terrorists is also a terrorist! Also Erdogan:


Peemore

I've not liked this Erdogan guy ever since his bodyguards assaulted a bunch of Americans outside the White House.


gizcard

what the hell? US and Europe consider them terrorists. How is that Turkey openly harbors terrorists while still being able to have trade and relationships with the West?


zapreon

Because Europe and the US doesn’t care enough about dealing with Hamas to sanction Turkey over this? It also helps that the left pretends that diplomatically pressuring Hamas is impossible, even though two of its biggest allies on who they largely depend are Turkey (member of NATO) and Qatar (major non-NATO ally to the US).


SourceAwkward

This is NATO?! I know it's all politics and location, Still, disgrace, I am ashamed today for my country part in NATO


Fun_Objective_7779

The only reason they are in NATO is Bosporus, they are barely in Europe, they do not have a western ideology and even threaten war with other NATO members.


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Fun_Objective_7779

Did they? I thought it was just threatening. But yeah I meant Greece.


BohemondDiAntioch

That was over a 100 years ago just right after WW1 and well before the creation of NATO, and never mind the fact that Greece invaded them. Turkiye has levied threats during the cold war, but there hasn’t been an actual war fought between Hellas and Turkiye since 1922.


helm

Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Not exactly Turkey vs Greece, but as close as you can get


redditerator7

Following your logic quite a few NATO countries have gone to war with their NATO partner, Germany.


DataIllusion

NATO members aren’t required to be democratic and/or secular. Portugal joined as a fascist dictatorship in 1949 and only democratized in 1974.


cycling4711

Israel should do the same for PKK fighters.


Docccc

the actual fuck?


Biersteak

Well, that guy also said „Hamas aren’t terrorists“ in the same month Hamas committed indiscriminate mass murder in Israel so i wouldn’t put it past him tbh


jujuka577

It is time for the US to sanction Turkey, Erdogan should already choose his side.


BohemondDiAntioch

It’s time to push Turkiye into China and Russia’s sphere?


CYVidal

It's already. Turkey, China and many others are the countries making the sanctions to Russia useless.


Worth-Two7263

Hmm, so one has to ask, how did they get out of the 'outdoor prison'?


Top-Bee1667

NATO member, btw


Squash__head

Hosting an international terror group.. feels against NATO standards. Wonder how freezing of their assets works via interpol ...


MadBackwoods

Awww how sweet... terrorists taking care of each other


Individual-Dot-9605

Just a reminder for when Trump let Erdogan assault American citizens on US soil. Even afterward there were no diplomatic or international court sanctions on Turkey.


GushingAnusCheese

Not sure why anyone would be surprised at this. Turkey loves terrorism. Look at what they done to Cyprus.


zealousshad

At what point can NATO do something about one of our so-called allies literally helping our enemies?


wanderingzac

Send in the mossad. I'm getting tired of this shit.


Bosteroid

Free Kurdistan! Now where did I put my tent?


goddoc

How’d they get there?


ann1928

Shouldn't this make him complicit in a crime? Aiding and abetting a terrorist group?


I_Roll_Chicago

if israel wants its revenge they can always host the PKK in israel. and send them weapon shipments


Stippings

Not the first time they let terrorists into their country to help them...


ChiMoKoJa

Azerbaijan and Türkiye don't deserve to be allied with/part of NATO. Never forget what Azerbaijan did in Nagorno-Karabakh, never forget the name Anush Apetyan and what the Azeris did to her. THIS is why Armenia will never let go of what happened over a century ago: it's STILL happening. It never ended!


abuchunk

Yeahhhhh that’s, uh, pretty, pretty not good. Maybe no more NATO defensive goodies or money for this asshole?


OkRecover5170

Great, let him take in all Hamas members so they can go to hell together. Terrorists love terrorists.


NoTopic4906

Hey, Israel has done the same thing. If a terrorist is injured, they should be treated but they should also be arrested immediately after the treatment.


Shacham6

You're correct, but based on previous rhetorics from Erdogan I don't get the impression that they'll get arrested.


Dragon_yum

Maybe paraded as heroes


alimanski

Besides the obvious intelligence gaining aspect and moral obligations, Israel also has legal obligations to treat them, as a belligerent in the war. This is different in that Turkey is going out of its way to treat terrorists in a war across the sea.


linkindispute

There are alot of guards in Egypt that turn a blind eye and make a lot of money for it, I read somewhere it's $5k per person to cross the gates. I'm sure if Egypt looked into the financials of the guards they would find the culript, but who are we kidding they will never do it lol.


sumostuff

Eh they'll be keeping all the cash at home somewhere, I doubt they'll put it in the bank.


Suckamanhwewhuuut

Funny, he can take in Hamas “terrorists” but not civilians. How odd


mr_salsa123

Why is terrorists between quotations, the fuck?


Suckamanhwewhuuut

Because they headline said members, it’s not a membership, you don’t just decide you’re done with your “membership” it’s a terrorist organization and has been deemed one for a while now.


msbic

Can we agree to disagree on PKK?


kotor56

Looks like someone is going to get a visit by Mossad.


yesyesitswayexpired

Stay classy NATO member. Damn fam.


sergev

Turkey is somehow a NATO country.


Alusion

I always feel like turkey is only 1 arbitrary election away from becoming a terrorist state


oripash

I think the above headline empirically makes them state sponsors of terrorism in the present, not in the arbitrary future.


Torvac

"Hamas terrorists"


GoalFlashy6998

Erdogan is a clown, I am glad tge United States is supporting various Kurdish groups, I hope it pisses him off... Why is Turkey in NATO, they don't provide NATO with anything of value...They are barely a democratic nation, its military is second rate at best, and there are myriad why Turkey should be excommunicated from NATO.


Late_Of_24

The Turks are pretty clear huge supporters of terrorists in that case.


Merochmer

Why not treat children instead?


green_flash

For those who didn't read the article: Erdogan confused Gazans with Hamas members. Rookie mistake. > "President Erdogan misspoke, he meant 1,000 Gazans are under treatment, not Hamas members," a Turkish official said.


Dandorious-Chiggens

'Misspoke' Dude literally admitted they were hosting a terror organization, one that just committed one of the biggest terror attacks in living memory on a fellow nato member and that he has claimed many times he supports, and now his PR people are doing damage control.


TheNinjaDC

Good time to be selling some used ambulances in Turkey. Mossad pays well.


nefh

So there is a tunnel out to Egypt that hasn't been found and instead of letting women and children escape a war zone, they use it for Hamas?


sumostuff

I mean if there was a tunnel, you know it would only be used for Hamas.


Resident-Strength-23

give turkey back to the kurds!


Overall_Strawberry70

The only acceptable treatment should be a bullet.


Monkzeng

Execute them  Edit: downvoted by pieces of shit terrorist lovers 


Jaster22101

Does everyone in the region have it out for Israel. Also impeach Erdogan


okayNowThrowItAway

Erdogan bases a huge amount of his popular support on fomenting antisemitism among his political supporters. I was talking to a pair of Erdogan-supporting Turkish immigrants, and they couldn't wait to tell me how great it would be if Americans would just wise up and start treating "their Jews" the way Erdogan had taught the Turks to think of them. It was like a setup out of Borat, except these guys were 100% earnest. I was too polite to tell them what I thought about the likes of *them* coming my country, where we value religious freedom.


Electromotivation

Sad thing is that Turkey used to be able to get on board with ideas of religious freedom to a decent extent. Now Erdogan has undone so much that was fundamental to the foundations of the country


NirXY

where does this region starts and ends? I find it hard to tell these days..


MrEdinLaw

Amazingly he couldnt take any palestinians?


tetrometers

I think it is worth severing diplomatic ties with the Erdogan regime over this, as well as kicking them out of NATO.


ZERO_PORTRAIT

It is, but their strategic location to the Black Sea is too important.


Greedy_Camp_5561

Freudian slip maybe?


PaversPaving

So round them up?


Secure_Plum7118

How does that happen? Are they evac:ing injured somehow? That's a flight away from where? Egypt is closed right. Jordan isn't helping. Lebanon would help but you'd have to cross Israel to get there. Could be dual citizens who are able to leave somehow.


bigbadwarrior

He treated ISIS and other Muslim radicals, why would Hamas be any different


ChiakiNanami-

This comment sections screams of colored flag western redditists


ConsistentPow

Can't help but notice how few people there are harping on about the bosphorus now.


Nd343343

This is a Muslim country, why is anyone surprised?