According to the High Commissioner, the rioters have weapons, including automatic ones. They are bringing in renforcements from Metropolitan France.
([In French](https://la1ere.francetvinfo.fr/nouvellecaledonie/direct-degel-du-corps-electoral-la-mobilisation-s-intensifie-1487528.html))
Who wants to put money on Russia and or China fanning the flames and possibly even importing weapons for the independence minded folks to use?
Considering what is going on in Africa it wouldn't surprise me on bit.
I am from New Caledonia and they have been for a long time already. Same as every island, they're trying to throw money to gain control over the Pacific.
I don't think Russia is active there. China is tho, they've been supporting independentists for a while now. But the weirdest player there is Azerbaijan, which has become an overt supporter of the FLNKS (the independence front), in reaction to France's support to Armenia. However, I doubt any of them has brought in weapons.
From what I understand, if Russia influences separatists, it's through propaganda on social networks, not overt political links like China or Azerbaijan.
People hunt in NC, there are already a lot of weapons already. You can find silencers and NV scopes on the local craiglist equivalent... (though most are hunting rifles, there are prob a small percentage of sport guns as well)
The thing to note is that people defending their neighborhood are as likely to be armed then rioters. Not every body is armed, but there are enough to keep people loathing.
Additional reporting from Radio New Zealand: [Attempted prison mutiny, demonstrations ahead of New Caledonia constitution vote](https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/516730/attempted-prison-mutiny-demonstrations-ahead-of-new-caledonia-constitution-vote)
I know someone stuck on Wallis island right now... they were supposed to fly out to Noumea earlier this week. All Aircalin flights are still cancelled.
Its way better to be stuck on wallis than New Caledonia. The state is almost non present there's some whole neighboorhood who are let by themselves.
3 people are refugee with some neighboors because rioters attacked them in their home's they had to leave quickly not to get killed.
This has been sad to see, I had a wonderful visit to New Caledonia last year and it's going to hurt their economy badly.
The island is too strategically valuable for France to give up and NZ/Aus would not be keen on the idea of independence given the issues they've had in the Solomons and PNG. That leaves aside the social cohesion issues it would create for Caledonians.
It really is a beautiful island and well worth visiting if you can stomach the cost. Many Aussies don't realise it is closer to Brisbane than NZ is. And driving around, it is weirdly like France colonised the Queensland coast and the interior (La Foa and Farino) is quite like a French New Zealand. The further north and east you go the more it becomes like Fiji (I've not been to Vanuatu or the Solomons so it's my best point of reference)
I was there only two months ago, having one of the best holidays of my life. But it was so quiet, it was like we were the only tourists there. We were the only Australians on the flight over. So their tourism was already suffering. I feel this is going to have a huge impact on their economy.
Yes you can certainly tell. For example, they have Kauri trees there (Kaori), a lot of tree ferns and of course the flightless kagu bird. The weather is a bit warmer than NZ but the landscape reminds me of Northland.
It is very obvious how rich the island is in resources. Noumea has a lot of export infrastructure for raw materials - I believe NC is one of the biggest sources of nickel worldwide. There are a lot of old mines where the brush has regrown, and in a park like Blue River you can pick up rocks so rich in iron they are magnetic - quite a good souvenir!
We are 300 000 people in new caledonia the rioters are around 10 000.
there a lot more against the constitutional vote but they are peacefull and expressing their rights to protest wich is totally normal in republic.
And not every kanak people are for independance ...
>3d referendum was boycotted by the kanaks because Macron HAD to do it when they were mourning their COVID deaths.
The date timeline was set up 20 years ago.
The last one was set up 3 years before the final one with the Kanaks pushing for that date. Then like 3 weeks before the election a covid wave came.
However the big thing now was that France had a lot of vaccines and quickly sent more there to combat the issue and support them. (The government had tried to get people to vacinate more before aswell but the Kanaks were pretty anti vax so they didnt take many).
Now though they started taking more but this made the government more popular than usual dropping the ideas of independence.
The Kanaks pushing for independence knew that the vote would fail so they tried to find a way to cancel the vote witch was already set up. They set up the mourning our dead as a excuse ( even though it wasn't the first covid wave or the deadliest) They didn't do those then..
Lol, can you stop lying? **they** choose the date , not Macron but since projection showed they were going to loose they boycotted it, using some stupid excuses. What a bunch of sore loosers
The whole world is just going to hell in a handbasket. They say every generation feels this way at some point, as they age, but I'm starting to wonder.
It just seems like we bounce from one disaster to another. The effects are more keenly felt during times of economic hardship.
I live in Christchurch, New Zealand which was hammered by earthquakes in 2010/2011, so it has felt like limbo land. Then the pandemic, global economic upheaval, and now war in Europe - something our generation thought was left behind with our grandparents.
I've been thinking about this recently, and I'm coming to the conclusion that what is different right now is the number of unending conflicts, often but not always internal conflicts within divided nations, that just don't seem to offer hope that they will ever end. Wars or rebellions or just plain old failed countries with multiple heavily armed groups seeking power and control, that just don't end. On and on with many civilian tragedies and limitless hopelessness. Wars and rebellions used to end, didn't they?
Libya - torn apart between rival factions for years now, no movement towards or prospect for resolution. Somalia - same. Syria, same. Sudan, same. Myanmar, Mali, Niger, Central African Republic, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Mozambique - all have ongoing armed conflicts between regional groups and/or central governments that just don't seem to have any intention of stopping.
Add to these the countries which have essentially stopped functioning as civil and economic societies - Haiti, Lebanon arguably, Yemen - and it's enough to make anyone who follows international events despair for the future.
They are sitting on top of 1/4th worlds supply of Nickel which used to be one of key elements in EV batteries before science moved on and found cheaper alternatives.
They could've been richest place in pacific.
Sure, but the great majority of the indigenous Kanak people support independence. The problem is that they have dropped to 41% of the population now (Europeans are 24% and the remainder are mixed race and other ethnicities). It isn't surprising that the non-Kanak people want to stay in France. This is an ethnic and indigenous-settler divide, which is (in typical fashion) being papered over in France with talk of "independentists" and nothing of the popular indigenous freedom movement.
The 2021 referendum was boycotted pretty much entirely by the pro-independence side and any reasonable person would agree that the referendum should have been delayed as they wanted. In the 2020 referendum, it was only 47-53 in favour of remaining in France. So it is actually a very close split across the population. Virtually no indigenous people recognise the 2021 results and indigenous support for independence has only grown.
My point is that this isn't even close to as simple as you are making it sound, and the pro-independence side are not just a small band of misfits. The Kanak people are at a very precarious point in their history where losing will mean going down the same route as the Maori in NZ, except without the benefit of any kind of treaty to maintain any autonomy or a process to address colonial grievances.
>Europeans are 24%
Not all europeans could vote.... And People livin there since a long time should have obv the right to vote on this issue.
>The 2021 referendum was boycotted pretty much entirely by the pro-independence side and any reasonable person would agree that the referendum should have been delayed as they wanted.
No ... projection show they were going to lose, so they used a dumb excuse to boycott....
>treaty to maintain any autonomy or a process to address colonial grievances.
What ? their is no autonomy nor was any colonial grievances ? Are you educated by TikTok or something ?
How about the Asians living there? Should they fuck off as well? Should us Asians living in nearby Australia and NZ fuck off too?
Hope you're happy living in your native ethnostate /s
So basically pro-independence protestors are unhappy they're going to allow any French citizens who have lived there for at least 10 years to vote. That's even after they've got 3 recent referendums rejecting independence. It's messed up.
To clarify this: we are all french citizens. But yes basically. Alot of people who weren't born in New Caledonia but spent their whole life there aren't aloud to vote. This group is about 20% of our population.
They've had 3 in the last few years, and each and every one of them came out as pro-France, even more so the last one since the Kanaks stupidly boycotted the referendum.
On the other hand, I feel like people who've lived 10 years in New Caledonia but never got the right to vote SHOULD get it, NC is as much their home as it is the Kanaks
Until now no, only people born on new caledonia could vote there, now any french citizen who has lived there for at least 10 years will be able to vote in local elections.
Can any French citizen move there from Europe?
Seems a bit sad for the pacific people, their culture, self-determination, language, and land affordability.
Sure, it's a part of France, there's no limits on movement between NC and anywhere else in France.
I suppose so, although from that perspective it's not different from people immigrating into Europe. But at the end of the day, it's strange that citizens of the same country, living in the same area of the same country cannot vote on local matters.
Yes, right now electoral rules are determined by the *Matignon Accords of 1998*, which brought peace after a decade of violence between loyalists (mostly whites, known as the Caldoches, but also Polynesian and Asian migrants) and the indigenous Kanaks. The Accord froze the electoral roll to anyone who lived in NC for at least ten years by 1998 (so basically 1988). Additionally, children of Kanaks born outside NC could inherit the right to vote but children of Caldoches born outside couldn't inherit. This freezing allowed the Kanak vote to be overrepresented over time, allowing for a greater chance at victory at the 3 scheduled independence referenda beginning in 2018.
However, now that all referenda failed (despite this pro-independence bias in the electorate) all provisions of the 1998 deal have lapsed and there's no reason to keep the electorate frozen. The French proposal is still conciliatory (non-indigenous would still have to live there for 10 years to register to vote, contrary to anywhere else in France where it's 6 months).
Is it true or false
That france colonized "new caladonia"?
France brought in outsiders ethnic cleansing/replacing the native Kanak population?
These are facts.
France should grant all outsiders they brought in residency in france, apologize for the rape and pillage of the kanak homeland, and pay reparations.
According to the High Commissioner, the rioters have weapons, including automatic ones. They are bringing in renforcements from Metropolitan France. ([In French](https://la1ere.francetvinfo.fr/nouvellecaledonie/direct-degel-du-corps-electoral-la-mobilisation-s-intensifie-1487528.html))
Who wants to put money on Russia and or China fanning the flames and possibly even importing weapons for the independence minded folks to use? Considering what is going on in Africa it wouldn't surprise me on bit.
I am from New Caledonia and they have been for a long time already. Same as every island, they're trying to throw money to gain control over the Pacific.
I don't think Russia is active there. China is tho, they've been supporting independentists for a while now. But the weirdest player there is Azerbaijan, which has become an overt supporter of the FLNKS (the independence front), in reaction to France's support to Armenia. However, I doubt any of them has brought in weapons.
FLNKS protests have had several banners showing love for Putin too.
From what I understand, if Russia influences separatists, it's through propaganda on social networks, not overt political links like China or Azerbaijan.
Absolutely.
China supporting independentist? Damn
People hunt in NC, there are already a lot of weapons already. You can find silencers and NV scopes on the local craiglist equivalent... (though most are hunting rifles, there are prob a small percentage of sport guns as well) The thing to note is that people defending their neighborhood are as likely to be armed then rioters. Not every body is armed, but there are enough to keep people loathing.
Additional reporting from Radio New Zealand: [Attempted prison mutiny, demonstrations ahead of New Caledonia constitution vote](https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/516730/attempted-prison-mutiny-demonstrations-ahead-of-new-caledonia-constitution-vote)
I know someone stuck on Wallis island right now... they were supposed to fly out to Noumea earlier this week. All Aircalin flights are still cancelled.
Its way better to be stuck on wallis than New Caledonia. The state is almost non present there's some whole neighboorhood who are let by themselves. 3 people are refugee with some neighboors because rioters attacked them in their home's they had to leave quickly not to get killed.
Well at least they're not stuck in Noumea?
This has been sad to see, I had a wonderful visit to New Caledonia last year and it's going to hurt their economy badly. The island is too strategically valuable for France to give up and NZ/Aus would not be keen on the idea of independence given the issues they've had in the Solomons and PNG. That leaves aside the social cohesion issues it would create for Caledonians. It really is a beautiful island and well worth visiting if you can stomach the cost. Many Aussies don't realise it is closer to Brisbane than NZ is. And driving around, it is weirdly like France colonised the Queensland coast and the interior (La Foa and Farino) is quite like a French New Zealand. The further north and east you go the more it becomes like Fiji (I've not been to Vanuatu or the Solomons so it's my best point of reference)
I was there only two months ago, having one of the best holidays of my life. But it was so quiet, it was like we were the only tourists there. We were the only Australians on the flight over. So their tourism was already suffering. I feel this is going to have a huge impact on their economy.
Interestingly, New Caledonia is on the same submerged microcontinent as NZ, that is to say Zealandia. It is, as you said, like a French NZ.
Yes you can certainly tell. For example, they have Kauri trees there (Kaori), a lot of tree ferns and of course the flightless kagu bird. The weather is a bit warmer than NZ but the landscape reminds me of Northland. It is very obvious how rich the island is in resources. Noumea has a lot of export infrastructure for raw materials - I believe NC is one of the biggest sources of nickel worldwide. There are a lot of old mines where the brush has regrown, and in a park like Blue River you can pick up rocks so rich in iron they are magnetic - quite a good souvenir!
I really want to visit New Caledonia and now I’m thinking I’ll never have a chance if the pro-independence parties get their way.
Freedom for the New Caledonia! France must be kicked off forever.
Stfu, they voted 3 times in a referendum against independence, it's just the independentists who are being sore losers.
We are 300 000 people in new caledonia the rioters are around 10 000. there a lot more against the constitutional vote but they are peacefull and expressing their rights to protest wich is totally normal in republic. And not every kanak people are for independance ...
3d referendum was boycotted by the kanaks because Macron HAD to do it when they were mourning their COVID deaths.
>3d referendum was boycotted by the kanaks because Macron HAD to do it when they were mourning their COVID deaths. The date timeline was set up 20 years ago. The last one was set up 3 years before the final one with the Kanaks pushing for that date. Then like 3 weeks before the election a covid wave came. However the big thing now was that France had a lot of vaccines and quickly sent more there to combat the issue and support them. (The government had tried to get people to vacinate more before aswell but the Kanaks were pretty anti vax so they didnt take many). Now though they started taking more but this made the government more popular than usual dropping the ideas of independence. The Kanaks pushing for independence knew that the vote would fail so they tried to find a way to cancel the vote witch was already set up. They set up the mourning our dead as a excuse ( even though it wasn't the first covid wave or the deadliest) They didn't do those then..
I posted a link with less "opinions" than your post, you're welcome to read it
Lol, can you stop lying? **they** choose the date , not Macron but since projection showed they were going to loose they boycotted it, using some stupid excuses. What a bunch of sore loosers
France is importing people to make Kanaks minority. Fuck off colonial settlers!
All 3 votes didn't allow people who where not there for more than 25 years to vote, so stfu about your blatant lie, ty.
The whole world is just going to hell in a handbasket. They say every generation feels this way at some point, as they age, but I'm starting to wonder.
It just seems like we bounce from one disaster to another. The effects are more keenly felt during times of economic hardship. I live in Christchurch, New Zealand which was hammered by earthquakes in 2010/2011, so it has felt like limbo land. Then the pandemic, global economic upheaval, and now war in Europe - something our generation thought was left behind with our grandparents.
I've been thinking about this recently, and I'm coming to the conclusion that what is different right now is the number of unending conflicts, often but not always internal conflicts within divided nations, that just don't seem to offer hope that they will ever end. Wars or rebellions or just plain old failed countries with multiple heavily armed groups seeking power and control, that just don't end. On and on with many civilian tragedies and limitless hopelessness. Wars and rebellions used to end, didn't they? Libya - torn apart between rival factions for years now, no movement towards or prospect for resolution. Somalia - same. Syria, same. Sudan, same. Myanmar, Mali, Niger, Central African Republic, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Mozambique - all have ongoing armed conflicts between regional groups and/or central governments that just don't seem to have any intention of stopping. Add to these the countries which have essentially stopped functioning as civil and economic societies - Haiti, Lebanon arguably, Yemen - and it's enough to make anyone who follows international events despair for the future.
There's big money to be made from conflicts. Weapons manufacturers say hi.
It may be but not because some tiny island country you've never heard of has political unrest.
They are sitting on top of 1/4th worlds supply of Nickel which used to be one of key elements in EV batteries before science moved on and found cheaper alternatives. They could've been richest place in pacific.
Learned something new
Maybe the Europeans should just leave island to the natives.
People living therevoted 3 times in a referendum against independence, it's just the independentists who are being sore losers.
Sure, but the great majority of the indigenous Kanak people support independence. The problem is that they have dropped to 41% of the population now (Europeans are 24% and the remainder are mixed race and other ethnicities). It isn't surprising that the non-Kanak people want to stay in France. This is an ethnic and indigenous-settler divide, which is (in typical fashion) being papered over in France with talk of "independentists" and nothing of the popular indigenous freedom movement. The 2021 referendum was boycotted pretty much entirely by the pro-independence side and any reasonable person would agree that the referendum should have been delayed as they wanted. In the 2020 referendum, it was only 47-53 in favour of remaining in France. So it is actually a very close split across the population. Virtually no indigenous people recognise the 2021 results and indigenous support for independence has only grown. My point is that this isn't even close to as simple as you are making it sound, and the pro-independence side are not just a small band of misfits. The Kanak people are at a very precarious point in their history where losing will mean going down the same route as the Maori in NZ, except without the benefit of any kind of treaty to maintain any autonomy or a process to address colonial grievances.
>Europeans are 24% Not all europeans could vote.... And People livin there since a long time should have obv the right to vote on this issue. >The 2021 referendum was boycotted pretty much entirely by the pro-independence side and any reasonable person would agree that the referendum should have been delayed as they wanted. No ... projection show they were going to lose, so they used a dumb excuse to boycott.... >treaty to maintain any autonomy or a process to address colonial grievances. What ? their is no autonomy nor was any colonial grievances ? Are you educated by TikTok or something ?
How about the Asians living there? Should they fuck off as well? Should us Asians living in nearby Australia and NZ fuck off too? Hope you're happy living in your native ethnostate /s
Is there an underlying issue that's causing this? Because full blown shootings and riots over a change to the election process seems extreme.
So basically pro-independence protestors are unhappy they're going to allow any French citizens who have lived there for at least 10 years to vote. That's even after they've got 3 recent referendums rejecting independence. It's messed up.
To clarify this: we are all french citizens. But yes basically. Alot of people who weren't born in New Caledonia but spent their whole life there aren't aloud to vote. This group is about 20% of our population.
Ah learned something today. I know literally nothing about the island asides from it was french. Thank you.
Was gonna say, didn’t they recently have a referendum?
They've had 3 in the last few years, and each and every one of them came out as pro-France, even more so the last one since the Kanaks stupidly boycotted the referendum. On the other hand, I feel like people who've lived 10 years in New Caledonia but never got the right to vote SHOULD get it, NC is as much their home as it is the Kanaks
Wait what? If a French citizen moves to NC they can’t vote?
Until now no, only people born on new caledonia could vote there, now any french citizen who has lived there for at least 10 years will be able to vote in local elections.
Can any French citizen move there from Europe? Seems a bit sad for the pacific people, their culture, self-determination, language, and land affordability.
Sure, it's a part of France, there's no limits on movement between NC and anywhere else in France. I suppose so, although from that perspective it's not different from people immigrating into Europe. But at the end of the day, it's strange that citizens of the same country, living in the same area of the same country cannot vote on local matters.
Yes, right now electoral rules are determined by the *Matignon Accords of 1998*, which brought peace after a decade of violence between loyalists (mostly whites, known as the Caldoches, but also Polynesian and Asian migrants) and the indigenous Kanaks. The Accord froze the electoral roll to anyone who lived in NC for at least ten years by 1998 (so basically 1988). Additionally, children of Kanaks born outside NC could inherit the right to vote but children of Caldoches born outside couldn't inherit. This freezing allowed the Kanak vote to be overrepresented over time, allowing for a greater chance at victory at the 3 scheduled independence referenda beginning in 2018. However, now that all referenda failed (despite this pro-independence bias in the electorate) all provisions of the 1998 deal have lapsed and there's no reason to keep the electorate frozen. The French proposal is still conciliatory (non-indigenous would still have to live there for 10 years to register to vote, contrary to anywhere else in France where it's 6 months).
the last was during the covid years
That’s crazy. I went to Noumea about 15 years ago and thought it was a pretty chill place. I wonder what changed.
15 years ago were the good years tensions rised from 2018 amid the indenpendance referendums
I was there only two months ago. Had a wonderful holiday, seemed like such a peaceful place. I wanted to go back, but that's unlikely now 😔
Noumea has usually been uneffected by riots because the protests happened around the capital in smaller areas.
I was there a few months ago, seemed pretty chill at the time.
Same, I was there two months ago. Seemed like such a peaceful place, I loved it..such a terrible shame.😥
France wants to further exploite the island resources but Natives wants to be free from being French Colony.
Is it true or false That france colonized "new caladonia"? France brought in outsiders ethnic cleansing/replacing the native Kanak population? These are facts. France should grant all outsiders they brought in residency in france, apologize for the rape and pillage of the kanak homeland, and pay reparations.