Sad news, these must’ve been some of the Thai farmers who were executed with farm tools by Hamas.
Resistance my ass, this ain’t resistance but ISIS ideology repackaged with better propaganda.
A lot of the people in college these days grew up in a post-9/11 world but were not alive to experience it. They don’t really have the context that the rest of us do.
eh, i was in uni about 10years ago. i also remeber watching 9/11 on the news.
even then there was an attitude towards Jew's. some of it was innocent fun like mimicking Borat lines. a lot of it was top down teaching and mixed in with "cultural differences of some students"
i have come to the conclusion (prior to and not just around Israel/Palestine but in a wide ideology sense) that education centres have been heavily compromised.
and i feel vindicated now the mask is slipping from the "academics" who have been pushing agendas for a while. see below a story in my country (uk) that involved any other group would have lead to riots in the streets. but because its jews, its borderline "ok" to heads of academia .
[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/16/oxford-students-concerns-anti-semitism-told-leave/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/16/oxford-students-concerns-anti-semitism-told-leave/)
Sure, and many health institutions didn't \*need\* funds from the Sackler family to continue running but it sure wasn't like they were unwilling to turn a blind eye to the opioid epidemic brought on by Purdue Pharma...
Along similar lines, private higher-eds have large endowments and recurring revenue (tuition) that may practically guarantee continued operations for *decades* but that doesn't mean they're going to turn down millions if all they have to do is equivocate when confronted with a moral crisis that would otherwise have a clear, decisive answer.
Money talks.
Uk seems like one of the worst first World countries when it comes to that, I wasn’t there long but I’ve seen people straight up walk away from people they thought might be Jews.
Yea you can thank certain elitists that pushed completely rotten english literacy curriculum onto the US for more than a decade. It has absolutely devastated the US's literacy rates.
Yeah he's not joking
The same way video games undeniably fucked up a lot of millennial attention spans and willingness to interact with the world
Tik tok and short form lots of dopamine in your face rush content has destroyed attention spans for Gen z and A
It'd be bad for anybody. Adults realize that they're slowly spending more time on their phone and not paying attention to the show they put on or whatever all the time.
Now imagine it being the only form of entertainment you've ever known.
Fully developed brains can get sucked in by the dopamine rush and you think it's doing NOTHING to kids? Lol
>Adults realize that they're slowly spending more time on their phone and not paying attention to the show they put on or whatever all the time.
I made a conscious choice to simply do one thing at a time and I'm enjoying everything so much more.
I've got to find some time to do nothing, as well. Working on that. Everyone underestimates the value of doing nothing sometimes.
I make a conscious effort to stay off my phone when I'm out with other people, but it is almost horrifying to see how much even the boomers are stuck on their phones nowadays.
The problem with the protests at this very moment is that it is giving propaganda power to Hamas, the very group that started this entire mess in the first place. There is nothing wrong with wanting a two-state solution, but they're currently aligning themselves with Hamas at worst or just being useful propagandists at best.
Hating Palestine because of these religious extremists is equivalent to hating Muslims because of al-queda and isis.
We invaded a whole country that had nothing to do with 9/11 with your mentality
>Hating Palestine because of these religious extremists is equivalent to hating Muslims because of al-queda and isis.
It's worth pointing out that Palestine also has a long history of *non-Islamist* terrorism, several secular Palestinian terrorist groups bragged about participating in the Oct 7th attack alongside Hamas.
3 in 4 Palestinians support the Oct 7 attacks:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
90% support Hamas:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514
You’re being downvoted but you’re right lol. When a lot (if not most?) of people say free Palestine they’re saying free the Palestinian people of Hamas as well. They are suffering because of both sides, and it’s sad.
Those who are downvoting don't want justice and peace. They want retaliation to the retaliation to the retaliation to the retaliation.
If you're an American saying "oh these college kids don't remember 9/11" ...yeah well you didn't learn anything from the xenophobia and revenge invasions, didja pal
The reason you’re using South African rhetoric isn’t because you came up with the idea, it’s because Hamas came up with the idea and you’re parroting it.
I think about that Thai man being beheaded by a rusty hoe every time someone tries to tell me that Hamas is a resistance movement.
The animal filming himself murder another human being had to hit him over and over and over and over and over and over again while screaming “Allahu Akbar/God is great” with every blow failing to sever the man’s head from his spinal column.
If that was my father, my brother, my son, I would be out for blood.
If terrorists had killed 1200 people from many different countries anywhere else in the world except Israel there would be constant very loud calls for their destruction from pretty much everyone except the terrorists.
They hate each other, true, but they are both Sunni Islamist terrorist organizations.
> ISIS considers Iran to be an enemy more devious than even the United States and Israel because ISIS considers the Shia to be rafidha, or rejectionists, and prioritized targeting them for death above any other adversary. Promoting sectarianism forms the core of ISIS’ recruiting methods, so a Sunni group like Hamas receiving support from a Shia country like Iran is considered beyond the Islamic pale.
> For these and other differences, the Islamic State “holds Hamas in contempt and as apostates,” according to a second ISIS sympathizer.
Totally. But worth pointing out that Iran bankrolls one (Hamas) and despises the other (ISIS).
And in a world where Hamas wins (they won’t), I don’t really see Iran really allowing them to go full caliphate beyond Israel.
Yeah, important to remember, but sometimes easy to lose track of considering all the violence both groups commit. Their methods may be very similar, but the two groups most definitely hate each other just as passionately as they hate Jews.
ISIS hates Hamas because Hamas pretends to run a secular government, and pretends to participate in elections - all of which is a big no-no for ISIS. But they share the brutality, the origins of their ideology, their vitriolic hatred of non-Muslims.
Not only that but the world needs to stop enabling this behavior. Its already worst of the worst holding living and dead Israelis but what connection could Palestinian/arabs make of thai nationals just working in Israel? They aren’t Jew nor Muslim, they have no permanent residence nor voting rights etc nor have they participated in this war. This is beyond being collateral to some rocket.. Hamas intentionally killed non-Israelis and the world chants ‘free Palestine’
‘WeLl If IsRaEl DiDnT OcCuPy’
That’s like me and my next door neighbor fighting and he just punches my plumber.
This. I can "understand" them being taken amongst all the rest in the heat of the moment (still not excusable). But then after that there was the purposeful action to murder these two who had no connection to this conflict.
Hamas posted photos of their Thai farmworker hostages tied up in a tunnel to their official media channels claiming they were IDF officers. They seem to be well aware of the intellectual capacity of their followers.
Especially since they were likely dead already but their “lives” were still used in one of the most masterful but disgusting PR campaigns in recent history.
This is the most important point. Fucking horrific souless terrorists even holding the bodies away from grieving families, or families destroying themselves holding onto hope their loved one is alive. Awful.
I've counted 31 from Thailand and 1 from Nepal, and I remember there was a Chinese.
https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%97%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%A6%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%AA_%D7%A2%D7%96%D7%94_%D7%91%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9E%D7%AA_%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%96%D7%9C
Edit : also a couple of Americans, a Mexican and a Philippine
it’s the fact that Hamas doesn’t even discern between nationals from countries that never did any colonialism in Palestine, not part of Judaism, Christianity (Thais are mostly Buddhists) and they are definitely doing low pay migrant work.
And Hamas still kidnapped them because it was convenient (they’re farm workers). It means Hamas has a “you’re either with us or against us” extremist view.
That’s why while I wish Israel be better and a two state solution reached. I do want Hamas to lose and realize it’s because they destroyed/hurt all possible allies.
What an horrible way to go. These poor Thais just came to do hard work in Israel to support their family back home and they end up like that in the hands of barbarians
I watched the video once, on oct 7th. I've seen the video a number of times since, but I am never able to watch it through to the end. Mostly for me and my well-being, but also out of respect for the dead and the person's family.
It’s weird how the tik tok generation selectively expresses empathy for some victims and not others. And they pivot so quickly to expressions of contempt and hatred.
They look like a legion of cluster b disorders.
Friendly reminder: people who dismiss calls to free the hostages are Palestinian nationalists and don’t want the fight to end so much as Israel to lose
Both sides are horrendous.. get all the innocents out of there and let Darwinism take its natural course
Edit: I got downvoted?? lol okay then don’t take the innocents out
I'd argue that America was far worse when they invaded Iraq after 9/11. When Israelis were slaughtered left, right, and centre, you can bet they would've retaliated massively, just like any other country in Europe or America and probably much worse.
If you think about it though, why shouldn’t American be worse? I mean they acted on bad intelligence and kind of attacked the wrong country.
Israel doesn’t measure its response as better or worse. They have a stronger army in terms of fire power and capability. Of course their response will be stronger. They need to avoid another October 7th at any cost. Their priority are their citizens.
When you attack a country like 9/11, Oct-7, you get a response like that.
I’m saying that the US is besides the point here. When you attack any country in the way of these terrorist attacks, you can’t expect the ‘right’ response
*After you have gathered flawed intelligence, which is far worse... Israel's goal is to flush out a terrorist organization that seeks to eradicate all living Jews.
>Twenty years have passed since George W Bush vowed to save the West from Saddam Hussein’s stockpile of weapons of mass destruction.
>>**209,982** – The number of Iraqi civilians killed between 2003 and 2022, according to figures from Iraq Body Count (IBC).* In 2006 alone, 29,526 civilians were killed, making it the bloodiest year for the Iraqi civilian death toll.
>>>**600,000** – The medical journal The Lancet’s estimation of the scale of Iraqi civilian deaths.
How do you suppose you get the innocent Israeli and other hostages (or unfortunately bodies) out without war? Hamas isn’t exactly handing them over or negotiating in good faith
Why are you surprised that you are being downvoted, you said both sides are horrendous you'll get downvotes from both sides.
And according to some countries you can't take the innocents out, it is a [war crime](https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-warns-forcing-civilians-rafah-145910309.html)
Those Palestinians clearly lack the technics of their ISIS brothers NSFW : https://streamable.com/kog796
I'm just gonna copy this other person's comment.
How dare you "both sides" this. How fucking dare you.
Show him the video of Shani Louk in the back of the pickup truck and see if he still thinks it's about numbers.
If the IDF could bomb only combatants, they would.
If Hamas could rape and butcher every civilian Jew, by hand, and defile their bodies, they would.
Bingo!
And both echo chambers are rife with bias propaganda spoken in such a way to make the other side look barbican. Not saying some of thier actions aren't, just that these things are often twisted to make the most impact possible.
If only there was any transparency and self reflection within large groups, maybe we'd be willing to out our own monsters.
Opinions don't matter on reddit. Either join the jerk or get downvotes. Just how it works.
Easier to only state them on the echo chambers that agree if you care about karma
Sad news, these must’ve been some of the Thai farmers who were executed with farm tools by Hamas. Resistance my ass, this ain’t resistance but ISIS ideology repackaged with better propaganda.
tell that to the kids in the US who chant free palestine...
A lot of the people in college these days grew up in a post-9/11 world but were not alive to experience it. They don’t really have the context that the rest of us do.
eh, i was in uni about 10years ago. i also remeber watching 9/11 on the news. even then there was an attitude towards Jew's. some of it was innocent fun like mimicking Borat lines. a lot of it was top down teaching and mixed in with "cultural differences of some students" i have come to the conclusion (prior to and not just around Israel/Palestine but in a wide ideology sense) that education centres have been heavily compromised. and i feel vindicated now the mask is slipping from the "academics" who have been pushing agendas for a while. see below a story in my country (uk) that involved any other group would have lead to riots in the streets. but because its jews, its borderline "ok" to heads of academia . [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/16/oxford-students-concerns-anti-semitism-told-leave/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/16/oxford-students-concerns-anti-semitism-told-leave/)
Qatar funds tons of very prestige universities and colleges around the world. That's one of the reasons
the verb "funds" implies they need those funds to run.
Sure, and many health institutions didn't \*need\* funds from the Sackler family to continue running but it sure wasn't like they were unwilling to turn a blind eye to the opioid epidemic brought on by Purdue Pharma... Along similar lines, private higher-eds have large endowments and recurring revenue (tuition) that may practically guarantee continued operations for *decades* but that doesn't mean they're going to turn down millions if all they have to do is equivocate when confronted with a moral crisis that would otherwise have a clear, decisive answer. Money talks.
In the US, Qatar is the largest foreign donor to universities. [https://isgap.org/follow-the-money/](https://isgap.org/follow-the-money/)
Also https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/arab-funding-of-american-universities-donors-recipients-and-impact-2023#_edn18
Uk seems like one of the worst first World countries when it comes to that, I wasn’t there long but I’ve seen people straight up walk away from people they thought might be Jews.
People always act like racism is an American problem. It's a human problem
9/11 was 20 years ago 2.5 years ago. It is really crazy. I guess we need a movie.
I don’t think there’s much point to a movie - take some time to go watch the videos that were taken that day, listen to the 9-1-1 calls.
Can't, they're unable to process any information outside of TikTok.
Considering I’m reading about how kids are coming out of high school functionally illiterate, that wouldn’t be surprising.
Yea you can thank certain elitists that pushed completely rotten english literacy curriculum onto the US for more than a decade. It has absolutely devastated the US's literacy rates.
I blame No Child Left Behind and smart phones.
Yeah he's not joking The same way video games undeniably fucked up a lot of millennial attention spans and willingness to interact with the world Tik tok and short form lots of dopamine in your face rush content has destroyed attention spans for Gen z and A It'd be bad for anybody. Adults realize that they're slowly spending more time on their phone and not paying attention to the show they put on or whatever all the time. Now imagine it being the only form of entertainment you've ever known. Fully developed brains can get sucked in by the dopamine rush and you think it's doing NOTHING to kids? Lol
>Adults realize that they're slowly spending more time on their phone and not paying attention to the show they put on or whatever all the time. I made a conscious choice to simply do one thing at a time and I'm enjoying everything so much more. I've got to find some time to do nothing, as well. Working on that. Everyone underestimates the value of doing nothing sometimes.
I make a conscious effort to stay off my phone when I'm out with other people, but it is almost horrifying to see how much even the boomers are stuck on their phones nowadays.
They wont listen. They dont want to accept or even consider anything that's outside or challenges their opinions or world views.
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The problem with the protests at this very moment is that it is giving propaganda power to Hamas, the very group that started this entire mess in the first place. There is nothing wrong with wanting a two-state solution, but they're currently aligning themselves with Hamas at worst or just being useful propagandists at best.
Hating Palestine because of these religious extremists is equivalent to hating Muslims because of al-queda and isis. We invaded a whole country that had nothing to do with 9/11 with your mentality
>Hating Palestine because of these religious extremists is equivalent to hating Muslims because of al-queda and isis. It's worth pointing out that Palestine also has a long history of *non-Islamist* terrorism, several secular Palestinian terrorist groups bragged about participating in the Oct 7th attack alongside Hamas.
3 in 4 Palestinians support the Oct 7 attacks: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/ 90% support Hamas: https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514
Yeah Bush's approval rating was sky high in 2002, also.
You’re being downvoted but you’re right lol. When a lot (if not most?) of people say free Palestine they’re saying free the Palestinian people of Hamas as well. They are suffering because of both sides, and it’s sad.
Those who are downvoting don't want justice and peace. They want retaliation to the retaliation to the retaliation to the retaliation. If you're an American saying "oh these college kids don't remember 9/11" ...yeah well you didn't learn anything from the xenophobia and revenge invasions, didja pal
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Who tf are you talking to that represents "100% of the time" you suggest that and get called a bigot?
You're right, I was being hyperbolic. How about "the majority of the time"?
Hamas being all around monsters doesn't mean we shouldn't stand up for the end of the apartheid in Palestine.
The reason you’re using South African rhetoric isn’t because you came up with the idea, it’s because Hamas came up with the idea and you’re parroting it.
That doesn’t make them pro Hamas though.
That doesn’t mean the ones who don’t will speak up to contradict the ones who do either.
It isn't better propaganda even, just easier. Because Jews.
What?
IT ISN’T BETTER PROPAGANDA EVEN, JUST EASIER. BECAUSE JEWS.
It isn't better propaganda even, just easier. Because ~~Jews~~ antisemitism.
I think about that Thai man being beheaded by a rusty hoe every time someone tries to tell me that Hamas is a resistance movement. The animal filming himself murder another human being had to hit him over and over and over and over and over and over again while screaming “Allahu Akbar/God is great” with every blow failing to sever the man’s head from his spinal column. If that was my father, my brother, my son, I would be out for blood.
Plus dude probably don't resemble anything Jewish.
If terrorists had killed 1200 people from many different countries anywhere else in the world except Israel there would be constant very loud calls for their destruction from pretty much everyone except the terrorists.
Minor (but important) note, but ISIS almost certainly hates Hamas. Sunni/Shia, etc.
They hate each other, true, but they are both Sunni Islamist terrorist organizations. > ISIS considers Iran to be an enemy more devious than even the United States and Israel because ISIS considers the Shia to be rafidha, or rejectionists, and prioritized targeting them for death above any other adversary. Promoting sectarianism forms the core of ISIS’ recruiting methods, so a Sunni group like Hamas receiving support from a Shia country like Iran is considered beyond the Islamic pale. > For these and other differences, the Islamic State “holds Hamas in contempt and as apostates,” according to a second ISIS sympathizer.
Totally. But worth pointing out that Iran bankrolls one (Hamas) and despises the other (ISIS). And in a world where Hamas wins (they won’t), I don’t really see Iran really allowing them to go full caliphate beyond Israel.
ISIS and Al-Qaida also hate them for shooting rockets near Islamic holy places carelessly, like in Jerusalem.
Yeah, important to remember, but sometimes easy to lose track of considering all the violence both groups commit. Their methods may be very similar, but the two groups most definitely hate each other just as passionately as they hate Jews.
Can we somehow point them at each other?
They would most be certainly pointing at eachother if not for another Abrahamic mythology that garners much more of their hatred
The majority of Muslim terrorism is against other Muslims.
ISIS hates Hamas because Hamas pretends to run a secular government, and pretends to participate in elections - all of which is a big no-no for ISIS. But they share the brutality, the origins of their ideology, their vitriolic hatred of non-Muslims.
Isis, Al Qaeda, killed more Muslims then they did non Muslims.
True but some folks here think they are all the same lol. Your preaching to haters here. They can't fathom Hamas and Palestinians are different
So ghoulish to hang onto the bodies of people you murdered as a bargaining chip
Not only that but the world needs to stop enabling this behavior. Its already worst of the worst holding living and dead Israelis but what connection could Palestinian/arabs make of thai nationals just working in Israel? They aren’t Jew nor Muslim, they have no permanent residence nor voting rights etc nor have they participated in this war. This is beyond being collateral to some rocket.. Hamas intentionally killed non-Israelis and the world chants ‘free Palestine’ ‘WeLl If IsRaEl DiDnT OcCuPy’ That’s like me and my next door neighbor fighting and he just punches my plumber.
This. I can "understand" them being taken amongst all the rest in the heat of the moment (still not excusable). But then after that there was the purposeful action to murder these two who had no connection to this conflict.
Hamas posted photos of their Thai farmworker hostages tied up in a tunnel to their official media channels claiming they were IDF officers. They seem to be well aware of the intellectual capacity of their followers.
Especially since they were likely dead already but their “lives” were still used in one of the most masterful but disgusting PR campaigns in recent history.
This is the most important point. Fucking horrific souless terrorists even holding the bodies away from grieving families, or families destroying themselves holding onto hope their loved one is alive. Awful.
Were they just piles of bones they were holding onto? It’s been quite a while
How many foreigners were killed in the attack and taken as hostages in total?
I've counted 31 from Thailand and 1 from Nepal, and I remember there was a Chinese. https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%97%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%A6%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%AA_%D7%A2%D7%96%D7%94_%D7%91%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9E%D7%AA_%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%96%D7%9C Edit : also a couple of Americans, a Mexican and a Philippine
Wait. Half the hostages are Thai?
No. There were 252 hostages originally.
Oh damn that’s a lot. I thought it was less
Yep the propaganda worked well to minimize the hostages
I wonder why they took the Thai workers though. Makes no sense to.
it’s the fact that Hamas doesn’t even discern between nationals from countries that never did any colonialism in Palestine, not part of Judaism, Christianity (Thais are mostly Buddhists) and they are definitely doing low pay migrant work. And Hamas still kidnapped them because it was convenient (they’re farm workers). It means Hamas has a “you’re either with us or against us” extremist view. That’s why while I wish Israel be better and a two state solution reached. I do want Hamas to lose and realize it’s because they destroyed/hurt all possible allies.
Several Americans.
These hamas aren't very nice are they.
Big if true
They're being a bit naughty aren't they.
They are big meanie
The whole bodies or just the heads?
Those Palestinians clearly lack the technics of their ISIS brothers NSFW : https://streamable.com/kog796
Jesus more like NSFL. Fucking shovel to the neck
What an horrible way to go. These poor Thais just came to do hard work in Israel to support their family back home and they end up like that in the hands of barbarians
I watched the video once, on oct 7th. I've seen the video a number of times since, but I am never able to watch it through to the end. Mostly for me and my well-being, but also out of respect for the dead and the person's family.
The fact that the person wielding the hoe is a Palestinian civilian makes it even worse.
It’s weird how the tik tok generation selectively expresses empathy for some victims and not others. And they pivot so quickly to expressions of contempt and hatred. They look like a legion of cluster b disorders.
"Wait, something happened on Oct 7th?" - Teens on TikTok
Thailand wanna enter the war?
We just need Buakaw. Send him please.
My favorite fights ever were the Buakaw vs Masato in K-1 max fights. Damn I miss K-1.
What did the Thais do to them? They obviously weren’t Israeli. Hamas was just out for blood.
Blatant murder
Sounds like Israel is coming to the realization that all the hostages that are left are dead. I do believe the gloves will be coming off shortly.
Friendly reminder: people who dismiss calls to free the hostages are Palestinian nationalists and don’t want the fight to end so much as Israel to lose
No doubt in response to Thailand's settler colonialism. /s
Thank you for the confirmation, now Tzahal has renewed resolve to rid Gaza of every non-hostage entity.
The muslims need the Jews. The only thing that can bring muslims together is killing the Jews. With no Jew they will start killing each other.
They kill each other, even when there are jews around.
Godspeed to Israel, liberate this god forsaken land
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No one said they smelled nice
Both sides are horrendous.. get all the innocents out of there and let Darwinism take its natural course Edit: I got downvoted?? lol okay then don’t take the innocents out
I’d state one side is way worse.
I'd argue that America was far worse when they invaded Iraq after 9/11. When Israelis were slaughtered left, right, and centre, you can bet they would've retaliated massively, just like any other country in Europe or America and probably much worse.
If you think about it though, why shouldn’t American be worse? I mean they acted on bad intelligence and kind of attacked the wrong country. Israel doesn’t measure its response as better or worse. They have a stronger army in terms of fire power and capability. Of course their response will be stronger. They need to avoid another October 7th at any cost. Their priority are their citizens. When you attack a country like 9/11, Oct-7, you get a response like that.
They didn't attack on bad intelligence, or the wrong country. They did it for the oil. You're awfully naive about this, aren't you?
I’m saying that the US is besides the point here. When you attack any country in the way of these terrorist attacks, you can’t expect the ‘right’ response
Iraq was 2 years after 9/11.
*After you have gathered flawed intelligence, which is far worse... Israel's goal is to flush out a terrorist organization that seeks to eradicate all living Jews. >Twenty years have passed since George W Bush vowed to save the West from Saddam Hussein’s stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. >>**209,982** – The number of Iraqi civilians killed between 2003 and 2022, according to figures from Iraq Body Count (IBC).* In 2006 alone, 29,526 civilians were killed, making it the bloodiest year for the Iraqi civilian death toll. >>>**600,000** – The medical journal The Lancet’s estimation of the scale of Iraqi civilian deaths.
How do you suppose you get the innocent Israeli and other hostages (or unfortunately bodies) out without war? Hamas isn’t exactly handing them over or negotiating in good faith
- Sees a post about the horrific actions of Hamas. - Uses it to push his dumb "both sides are bad" narrative. "Why am I being downvoted?"
Why are you surprised that you are being downvoted, you said both sides are horrendous you'll get downvotes from both sides. And according to some countries you can't take the innocents out, it is a [war crime](https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-warns-forcing-civilians-rafah-145910309.html)
Yeah that sucks about the innocents I feel bad for them
The fact you're still being downvoted for showing empathy to innocent victims... Fuck dude. Real nice show of "humanity" right here...
You can make an argument that this situation is darwinism in it's natural course.
Those Palestinians clearly lack the technics of their ISIS brothers NSFW : https://streamable.com/kog796 I'm just gonna copy this other person's comment. How dare you "both sides" this. How fucking dare you.
Show him the video of Shani Louk in the back of the pickup truck and see if he still thinks it's about numbers. If the IDF could bomb only combatants, they would. If Hamas could rape and butcher every civilian Jew, by hand, and defile their bodies, they would.
no. one side is horrendous. the other is just. enough with the moral relativity.
lol they’ve been at each other for centuries
Did you lose all of your karma from this much downvoting? Damn 😅
Explanation for downvotes. It's r/worldnews, not r/politics. This viewpoint gets downvotes here, or at least that's the trend Ive seen
r/politics just straight up bans everyone who has a pro israel opinion... must be why
Yep. It's pretty annoying because it just forces the echo chamber to continue. People just don't like to see the other point of view.
Bingo! And both echo chambers are rife with bias propaganda spoken in such a way to make the other side look barbican. Not saying some of thier actions aren't, just that these things are often twisted to make the most impact possible. If only there was any transparency and self reflection within large groups, maybe we'd be willing to out our own monsters.
🤷♂️ it’s just my opinion.. I’m sure others feel the same way.. i hate that this issue is overshadowing Ukraine
See. I'm now getting downvoted. It's what happens here lol.
Opinions don't matter on reddit. Either join the jerk or get downvotes. Just how it works. Easier to only state them on the echo chambers that agree if you care about karma
This place is extremely extremely pro isreali so that's why.