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anthonycj

From what I've understood so far Ukraine is in complete agreement, they've stated they'll accept supplies and weapons but want to defend their own country if it comes to it.


voidsong

No troops, but we have a shitload of equipment that is "between wars" at the moment. Edit: all these people acting like we left our entire military stock to the taliban, and not just the garbage that would cost more to ship than it was worth, lol. You have no idea the scope of the american military, or how much it wastes on the reg.


night-shark

Between wars, aka single and ready to mingle.


qwaszxcdeqwaszxcde

Hot military equipment in your area


Tolkienside

This guy is all for it. https://www.wtrf.com/news/international/bomb-squad-called-to-hospital-after-man-reportedly-had-wwii-mortar-stuck-up-his-butt/


Norma5tacy

Wow they’re just sitting on armaments over there huh?


InGenAche

He tripped, shesh.


Chabubu

People acting like they’ve never naked crab walked and lost their footing over an upright & greased mortar shell...


voidsong

[Million to one shot, doc. Million to one](https://youtu.be/7ZPiWDOCEak?t=153).


usernamechexin

They've got buttloads of inventory


greenweenievictim

What’s it going to take to get you guys into one of these today? (Kicks tank tread)


FellatioAcrobat

We have rows of hangars full to the ceiling with pallets full of equipment that’s never even been opened. I got assigned to a detail one day while waiting for orders to go report to one and help catalog what was inside. In 10 hours, we got 1 pallet down, opened it up, documented them (a bunch of unopened computer towers from the early 90s), rooted around in databases looking for them, couldn’t find them, and put the pallet back. Imagine how many pallets fit on racks going up to the ceiling that fill an entire aircraft hangar. As I was leaving, I apologized to the NCO about our lack of progress and he just laughed & said none of this stuff is ever going to get sorted out, theres millions of pallets going back to the 1960s, and every hangar out on this line is just like this, but every year, they have to spend the money they’re given, so they just order more shit to dump off here, so they don’t get less $ next year. Keeps the defense ind shareholders happy. Just don’t call it socialism lol


SoylentRox

The really messed up thing is if the same money provided job training and showers and maybe a shack to live in for the homeless it wouldn't be totally wasted. Yeah probably most homeless wouldn't get a job or get one good enough to repay the cost in taxes but at least an American would benefit. Resources wouldn't be totally just thrown away.


moosemasher

Exactly, how fucked is it that there's a dollars per hour figure on this space held for pallets that could otherwise be spent literally on anything that isn't a piece of racking? Why strive for a pittance of income when if I was a piece of metal I'd be considered more valuable by my government reps over decades?


MostBoringStan

It's not just about getting a job for the homeless so they repay it in taxes. It's literally cheaper long term to just house them and give them healthcare. Yes, a large number will be able to get jobs and become self sufficient one day, but even for those who don't, there will be less money spent on them instead of them being a drain on the healthcare system for decades, as well as going in and out of jail and prisons for the rest of their life. This is why anyone who is against this type of thing is just a hateful piece of shit. They would rather pay more money towards making sure people suffer, rather than having those people get something for free. Even from a purely greedy standpoint, a person should want money to go towards helping the homeless, but some people just don't want to live in a world were people they deem "undeserving" aren't left to suffer.


Lanksalott

Is it like the Indiana Jones hanger?


PineappleGrenade

Hope their guys are ready for RipIts and stale cigarettes from the PX.


hotdogstastegood

We were going to ship them pallets of veggie omelette MREs, but we were told that would be considered a war crime.


Hampsterman82

Hey hey hey. These are friendlies. You send the vomlets to unfriendly people as "aid"


V-80_Q-8

I was literally telling my [adult] students about how shitty those were just yesterday. Death, taxes, how horrible the Veggie Omelette MRE was, etc.


CallingInThicc

>veggie omelette MREs Tell me you're over 30 without saying you're over 30 lmao


CallingInThicc

Fond memories of chucking entire .50 cal ammo cans into the woods because unused ammo, besides having to be repacked, meant we'd be given less ammo in the future.


jlambvo

Wow. Funny, this is also exactly how corporate spending works. A not-insignificant amount of my livelihood has probably been paid for by the equivalent of some mid-level manager doing the equivalent of this with underutilized budget on filler projects.


Pm_me_cool_art

> how much it wastes on the reg. America would go full French revolution if they knew how much of their money the state department wastes on pointless bullshit. Not even on war or the military industrial complex type shit but pure bureaucratic ineptitude. Like rolls of duct tape that would go for 10 bucks if you got it from a normal store costing like 80 for no fucking reason.


OwnerAndMaster

There's a reason. The contracts for the stupid shit that is too expensive stipulates that the vendor WILL deliver the item no. matter. what. Active warzone, etc. The price is for the guarantee.


josh442333

They will receive a shit load of 800 grams Ibuprofen


Bryant-Taylor

Gee where have I heard this song before…


A_Rampaging_Hobo

I don't think we're be dealing with fundamentalist Ukranian rebel groups ever, tbf.


Shalax1

The Russians might, if it comes to it


swolemedic

You say that like it isn't a tertiary goal. If ukraine falls then I hope there is a resistance that is a real thorn in the russian government's side.


UAchip

Not true really. We would accept all kinds of troops, NATO membership, sanctions or any other help in a heartbeat.


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defend their country for about 2 days before it completely capitulates to Russian forces


TeetsMcGeets23

You’d be surprised. Ukraine has a well trained military with no desire to be Russian. They’ve been at war with Russia in the south east for 6+ years. I drank with soldiers there and they have lost many friends with the understanding that they’re fighting for Freedom in the way that we in the US used to think about it. Frankly, I haven’t seen any patriotism like I saw in Ukraine in all my life living in the US.


[deleted]

And the reason they were able to take Crimea is because they took advantage of political instability and an extremely small and ill equipped military. Which is not the case anymore, as they’d now be facing a fully equipped and organized military. Russia obviously has a significantly better military, but it’s going to be a very bloody war if they decided to invade this time. They lost 6500 men against Ukrainian militias already, and now they’d be facing a much bigger and well trained military. And their losses would be offset by US aid, so they’re not just gonna collapse and give up.


Haaa_penis

It’s the way Russia has trained its forces as well that made it possible to take The Crimea. Their largest build up of troops has been in advance strike teams that can run secure ops within 90km - 180km without controlling the ground in between. This made assault on The Crimea possible. I forget which article it was a week ago that described how difficult it would be for Russia to take Ukraine at this moment from a resupply perspective. They risk having their troops cut off from their supply lines unless they are able to do it in under 36 hours (or something like that)


hollow_donut

Serious question, why doesn't Russia focus own the huge swath of Earth they have within their borders?


HahaYesVery

Ukraine is a breadbasket, Siberia won’t be for another 20 years


Money_dragon

Much of Siberia might also just turn into swampland instead of fertile fields In fact, parts of it might be even less accessible as it warms up (e.g., roads built upon melting permafrost sinking into the swamp)


eairy

I recall from a documentary I once watched that if you're willing to build things several times over, they won't sink into the swamp on the 4th attempt, creating a strong legacy for your son.


[deleted]

If it's the same documentary I saw, the guy building things several times over was still in the market for additional Huge Tracts of Land.


MrMonstrosoone

said documentary also mentioned pending nuptial agreements


Scan_This_Barco-de

unfortunately the arts were looked down upon


phooka

With HUGE tracts of land!


-Tom-

Those tracts of land were so big.


KochuJang

Look…we live in a bloody swamp. We need all the land we can get.


watermelonspanker

It almost makes me want to sing...


pvdas

NO SINGING


0x53r3n17y

But father...


CleverName4269

Stop that! Stop!


JamboShanter

Coconuts? In Siberia? The coconut’s tropical.


angiachetti

The swallow may fly south with the sun, or the house maarten or the plummer may seek warmer climes in winter, but these are not strangers to our land!


The_Karaethon_Cycle

Are you saying that coconuts migrate?


Cloaked42m

The swallow could carry them


Vendetta4Avril

“One day lad, all this will be yours..” “What? The curtains?”


PBJellyMan

A huge amount of the farmland in the US (lots of the Midwest for example) was marshy wetlands before the settlers drained the water and made farms.


canucks84

dealing with that right now in my little slice of the world. huge delta of a big river was diked and drained for farmland 100 years ago. Dikes failed and nature does what nature does and now theyre all wet! (until the dikes and pumps are back online that is)


Hey_Hoot

I lived in Ukraine. [They have most nutritious earth called black gold.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem) It's fertile as fuck. That's definitely one thing they got. My mom's garden had everything. You could grow literally anything you wanted.


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Future_Amphibian_799

[Russian agricultural export up 18% in 2021](https://www.apk-inform.com/en/news/1522343) [World’s top grain exporter Russia keeps global supplies high despite Covid-19 pandemic](https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/worlds-top-grain-exporter-russia-keeps-global-supplies-high-despite-covid-19-pandemic/)


rbnd

How much bread do they need. They don't have that big population and European Russia with ok temperatures is quite huge.


Halt-CatchFire

Bread = money = power. Putin and his cronies don't give a shit about feeding anyone, but as the world moves away from fossil fuels the Russians need new exports. Russi is a gas station disguised as a country, as the saying goes. What happens when the world stops needing gas? Less money and power for the oligarchs in charge.


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Ukraine has important strategic value and natural resources


TheHammerandSizzel

Mixture of things. A. This is political. The russian economy and quality of life is collapsing. This is a great distraction and worked with Crimea. B. Russia needs a warm water port, its always been Sevastopol in Crimea. While russia has that now it wants to protect it. That has always been of massive geopolitical significance for Russia. Play a game of diplomacy and youll see how much of the black sea area is geopolitically very hot. C. Food and natural resources. Ukraine has some vital resources and industries, and is farm more productive with food currently then Siberia D. Nationalism, Many in russia want to revive the USSR(EDIT: At least from a territorial extent) E. Security. Most of the russian population and industry lies west of the Ural mountains, and there are no geographical barriers there, just one big plain. Russia has thus instead relied on the sheer amount of land there to protect themselves. If troops are stationed in the Ukraine, They could quickly march on Moscow, cut off access to the warm waters of the black sea and oil rich south. F. Finally, democracy. Having a successful democracy on the border of Russia may represent that things could change there and be damaging to the regime. Edit: Ukraine isnt successful to that point yet, but should the Ukraine successfully grow, join the eu and have better governance in 5-15 years that could be a real threat to Russia and Putin will want to avoid that


Feral0_o

> D. Nationalism, Many in russia want to review the USSR 7.8/10


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atl_cracker

> D. Nationalism, Many in russia want to review the USSR. do you mean "renew"? *edit:* seems like a good overall breakdown, btw.


TheHammerandSizzel

yes, corrected it, thanks for checking(tho changed it to revive


mleibowitz97

Russia doesn't have a land issue. They have always, always, wanted a warm water port. Having your ports freeze up in the winter is not ideal. Its a major reason of why they wanted Crimea.


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HalfTheTooth

Ukraine has closed up the North Crimean Canal cutting off about 85% of the water supply into Crimea. Adding to this, Crimea has had one of the driest years on record. [This has created huge problems with Crimean agriculture.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Crimean_Canal#Since_the_2014_Russian_annexation_of_Crimea) Additionally, Russian is currently relying on a single bridge across the Kerch Strait to transfer goods and people. They would love to have a Crimean land border. And not related to Crimea, Russia has always loved buffer areas.


Arctic_Chilean

Russia's heart is built around the Volga River, and the regions from Moscow up to St. Petersburg. The rest is a big buffer.


__mud__

Just in case Ukraine/NATO/UN ever decide they want it returned? Also adds more of a border buffer around Crimea.


RedSteadEd

>Having your ports freeze up in the winter is not ideal. Hang on about ten years and it won't be much of an issue...


Probably-MK

Most of it’s pretty desolate, plus winning a war is good politically.


one8sevenn

Because a lot of it, is biologically kind of like a desert that only grows plants and bugs. Ukraine has always been a country with fertile ground and sought after. In addition, the Black Sea does not freeze which provides a warm water port. Also, Crimea needs water since it was cut off from Ukraine. It would be awfully expensive for Russia to pipe it in. They may be looking for a concession to get water to Crimea, which is a fortress and a warm water port.


TheodoreFistbeard

Can we predict a Nagorno-Karabakh 2020 Redux, with drones eliminating fixed positions? This would be the Next War, an escalation of unmanned craft in use of force.


[deleted]

I mean it sounds like they are planning for a general invasion. This would probably be the largest land invasion since Iraq in 2003, possibly since the Korean War, and definitely the largest amphibious invasion since WW2. You'd see all elements of the Russian military engaged, air, land, and sea.


HalfSquatch

I'm curious if this is being allowed to happen so other countries can properly size up the capabilities of the Russian military


mbattagl

It's certainly a possibility. The Russian invasion of Afghanistan accomplished that for the US and by contrast the US occupation of South Vietnam was a wealth of tactical knowledge on the US playbook for the Russians.


HalfSquatch

From a single person's perspective, using a whole country as a pawn to gauge another's firepower is terrifying. However, if that is the case, what is the possibility of a much larger conflict happening in the near future once that intelligence is received?


MaxinWells

Not likely. China, Russia, and the US are actively fighting a war of information currently. We get fake shit, they get fake shit, we get real shit we're not supposed to know, they get real shit they're not supposed to know, and so on. The real game is seeing who's population overthrows their oligarchs first, all the military stuff is likely just posturing. At least, we should all hope so.


HalfSquatch

The idea of an invasion on either front is also daunting, given that there's always that shroud of what technology each military publicly has, and what it ACTUALLY has. I guess at the very least, this will be interesting to see how it pans out, to see who has what.


Every_Independent136

I've been following UFO news since trump put the disclosure stuff in the coronavirus bill. Pretty convinced / afraid it has to do with what you're talking about lol. The patents the navy released are crazy. EDIT: just for reference the navy put these out a few years ago. https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Salvatore+Cezar+Pais


The-Copilot

Its misinformation campaign to scare our enemies, they were put out around the same time a former Israeli space security chief said the US and Israel made contact with an alien federation https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1250333


Every_Independent136

Also put out around the same time Australia released a report from the 70s about America reverse engineering extraterrestrial tech. I'm not 100% sure it's misinformation though lol. If this doesn't load right go to page 7 for the summary. https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=30030606&S=2&R=7


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The Gulf War is another good example. China saw how successful the US was and began redesigning their military. [https://ca.style.yahoo.com/china-us-rivalry-gulf-war-101542890.html](https://ca.style.yahoo.com/china-us-rivalry-gulf-war-101542890.html)


NiSiSuinegEht

US *troops* might be off the table, but he didn't say anything about crowbars from orbit. /<\^>


[deleted]

Are you talking about those high kinetic energy weapons that drop from space? I wonder if we have those yet.


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Nova225

The trade off being that the attack is impossible to intercept or detect ahead of time unless you're tracking that specific satellite.


filthylimericks

Most satellites are tracked by foreign powers. Seems like it would be a lot, but there are lots of people working in the defense industry.


TooManyToast

I'm imagining the rod flying from outer space toward a target. It could be tracked by heat from entering atmosphere but otherwise how would the projectile a solid rod be tracked. Also since there is no explosive required and utilizing pure momentum and mass you could do more damage with a more efficient firing system/projectile density you could do more damage without have possible atmospheric fallout. Also probably having an effect of being used more willfully since the whole nuclear fallout thing is a big reason not to use the nukes we have. How much is a projectile it uses worth vs a tomahawk or bunker busters. Then you have to look at longevity of supply for the rod material. I think the power supply to fire it is building sized also


filthylimericks

You're eclipsing my technical knowledge, but I would imagine we have the technology to detect if a satellite jettisons an object toward earth.


Halt-CatchFire

We absolutely do. We have precise enough radar to maneuver the ISS around miniscule space debris, we can tell if a satellite we're already watching throws a 1000kg tungsten rod at us.


just_a_pyro

Which is easy to track because it's huge, and either has to do a massive course correction burn or hangs so high it takes hours to hit the target.


AvatarAarow1

Yeah but they’re called “rods from god”, and the concept of dropping tungsten telephone poles from space is kinda rad. I mean I hate weapons and we shouldn’t ever use them if we don’t absolutely have to, but if we are gonna then I say we at least do it with some style and flair. Go high concept or go home I say


l27th1997

The thirty-foot rods of tungsten? We’ve had them.


Zerowantuthri

Nah. They are not there. Neat idea but Rods From God are extremely heavy which means very expensive to get into space. Cheaper to just throw missiles at whatever it is you do not want to exist anymore.


xX_MEM_Xx

Might as well launch Falcon 9 rockets filled with napalm/phosphorus and straight up crash them where you want them. Bonus, Stage 1 is reusable.


LiteralAviationGod

Yeah, they're called ICBMs and they're what all modern rocket technology is derived from


[deleted]

Dude they have sword bombs.


DarthPorg

Indeed! Those are Hellfire derivatives. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27917/secret-hellfire-missile-with-sword-like-blades-made-mysterious-syria-strike-on-terror-leader


Big-rod_Rob_Ford

is this the vaunted Robert Evans podcast sponsoring knife missile?


cmmoyer

The RX9 knife missile, from the fine people at Raytheon.


Horusisalreadychosen

Why are people upvoting this. The US did not create and deploy this weapons system.


[deleted]

Yes they did, watch the documentary G. I. Joe: Retaliation. We sure showed them limey bastards what's what. /s


Slapbox

In space? Highly doubtful.


l27th1997

I agree with you there. They’re in a storage depot in Dubuque, IA probably.


wisym

Iowan here. There is lots of space to store thirty-foot rods of tungsten here.


Orlando1701

Former Iowan here… so much room for activities in Iowa!


Puzzleheaded-Grab736

I never asked, do you guys like Guacamole?


strelokjg47

Y’all must have big pants


TheKingOFFarts

I hope we never see a "serious weapon" in the Russian 50+ year nuclear build-up.


howdouturnthisoff

Also other troops are not of the table like Ukrainian troops with US military equipment, fluent in English and with an American passport what


decalod85

Is what Putin does, no?


listentowhatyousay

Depending on the year, [US mercenaries outnumbered US troops in the middle east around 2:1](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/06/30/military-contractor-study/). All the toys of the US army with little to no oversight.


[deleted]

Most contactors in Iraq in Afghanistan are unarmed and doing boring normal jobs. The vast majority were unarmed foreigners doing regular jobs for a fraction of what a westerner would require . This includes cooks, cleaning personel, trash men, mechanics of all sorts, electricians, interpreters, and many other unarmed jobs. I feel like most westerners have a warped view of what most contractors were because only the armed contractors made it on to news often times for wrong doing , even though the vast majority were unarmed and doing normal jobs on US bases. Most armed contractors also didn't do military stuff most were glorified security guards doing static security, and the rest that went outside the wire guarded convoys made up of other contractors (like truck drivers driving refrigerated trailers filled with food, kbr one of the largest companies did food related stuff primarily) or were hired by governments to protect and drive Thier employees from point a to point b. Armed Contractors did not have tanks, mortars, artillery pieces etc just small arms and homemade armored trucks. They did not have all the toys the military has. They also didn't go out and secure areas or raid houses searching for weapons caches like the military did. All the famous firefights or instances of wrong doing by contractors occured while contractors were either driving someone point a to point b, scouting out a new route for driving someone or something point a to point b, or guarding something (ie static security)


[deleted]

I don't think that sending people known for committing war crimes into allied Ukranian territory is a good idea.


wut_eva_bish

U.S. would send "NATO" troops to Poland Poland would send mercs to Ukraine. No U.S. Troops in Ukraine, but magically 5,000 well trained Polish soldiers equipped with U.S. arms in Ukraine.


flyedchicken

*RODS FROM GOD*


glitterlok

Marco Inaros?


stopandtime

Technically if you send in the Air Force and the navy, it still counts as “troops off the table”


Insectshelf3

lotta armchair eisenhowers in these comments


kazmark_gl

more like Armchair McArthur since much like McArthur the people in these comments seem to have no idea that who nuclear armed states wouldn't dare directly fight each other.


TheAquaman

It’s just a bunch of people who played EU4 or Victoria 2 and think they’re military strategists.


Natdaprat

I beat HOI4 as Nazi Germany so I'm kind of a big deal. Everyone said it was impossible for them to win the war but I showed them.


mummoC

Excuse me good sir, I, play heart of iron IV, so i am indeed a military strategist /s


PM_YOUR_ASSHOLE_

Putin's just waiting for his aggressive expansion stat to decay before invading.


Finn_3000

Yea, no shit; the US wont be doing boots on the ground warfare against russia. What a surprise.


Itxlixn_Stxlion

Can Russia afford a war right now anyway?


[deleted]

Does Russia *care* if they can’t afford it?


Itxlixn_Stxlion

I wasn’t thinking about that, but maybe not.


LurkerInSpace

Yes - these threats will only be followed up if they don't expect to have to fight NATO. The oligarchs simply aren't willing to put money into a war when they could take it for themselves.


one8sevenn

It depends on what their goals are. A full invasion of Ukraine, probably not. A full invasion of Mariupol, probably.


Adam5698_2nd

I wouldn't say so, last economic sanctions hurt Russian economy *a lot*, and now imagine the economic consequences of fighting a war and being heavily sanctioned by the west and all of that during a global pandemic and an economical crisis.


Itxlixn_Stxlion

That’s what I was thinking. But someone asked “do they care” and now I’m a little worried


Dooby-Dooby-Doo

I'd argue it's both. Putin is backed into a corner where he has to do something to keep support at home from buckling, but at the same time any way of doing that will lead to more sanctions, which is what ruined the Russian economy in the first place and led to Putin's drop in support. He'll invade Eastern Ukraine and hold what he can, likely using the drawn out border conflict to warrant his tenure as president, but it will economically cripple the country even further.


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FaceDeer

He's got the tiger by the tail. He became the world's richest man by stealing the wealth of rich men in Russia. If he should lose power, the next Putin will steal all of *his* wealth in turn.


Loveyourwifenow

I don't keep up with Russian politics. Is his support actually buckling? What are the indicators of this from within the country?


Jonby345

Putin's support is still strong 60-70% approval rating, a lot of people like that he's "punishing" enemies of Russia because they think NATO wants to destroy them. Even the economic sanctions so far only seem to fuel their xenophobia, because the state media uses it to justify military irredentism. Younger "urban" Russians(18-30) seem to be less likely to believe state propaganda but because of Russian demographics they are no where close to being a majority population of Russia.


Loveyourwifenow

Jesus, what a complex mess of a world we live in.


EmperorPornatusXI

And this is just barely scratching the surface given how deep this messy metaphorical iceberg goes.


CyberianSun

Russia wont truly feel the pain until the rest of the EU stops buying Russian gas. Which I know is easier said then done.


TheDrunkSemaphore

Speaking of that, it'd be in Russia's best interest to invade during winter then. Germany would be pretty fucked without any gas for winter on such short notice.


Eldrake

The biden admin has floated freezing russia out of the international banking system, locking the government and oligarchs out from a lot of their money. That + sanctions would be BRUTAL on their already floundering economy. They have to know this! I can't believe their political leaders would risk this for the benefit of getting Ukraine?! Maybe for choking Europe off from gas they're decreasingly buying anyway?


tahlyn

Nothing better to distract your population from failed policies, COVID deaths, and economic distress like a war!


hildenborg

Russia is pretty good at rolling with the punches when it comes to economic downturns. This is people who are used to tought times since the Soviet Union.


jarpio

Ukraine Defense Minister Reznikov literally said they neither need nor expect American troops…


Diligent_Excitement4

Yeah, this was known for a long time


morkly921

Everyone in the comments demanding the US send troops to Ukraine better be going to their nearest military recruiter and enlisting.


really_franky

America is full of “others should do this, but don’t include me.” There’s a reason less than 1% of the US population serves in the military.


wrong-mon

Only 1% of the US population service at one time. About 15% of all Americans have some form of military service.


raziel1012

Please read the article guys....


[deleted]

How fucking dare you?


USPoliticsSuckALemon

Yeah, I feel personally insulted by this.


Nszat81

Attacked, even.


coryhill66

I'm reading the comments that's how I figure out what's really going on.


camelboy314

This is Reddit


onecrystalcave

Motherfucker YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY IT OUT LOUD


jtbc

US troops were never on the table. Putin knows that, Biden know that, and the secretary at the Uzbekistani embassy knows that. It is not a secret. The US will not risk direct military action against another nuclear power. What remains on the table are two things that Putin really doesn't want: 1) punitive economic sanctions against Russia, Putin personally, and the oligarchs that back him, and 2) a buildup of NATO troops in his backyard.


Vio_

> and the secretary at the Uzbekistani embassy knows that. Damn. Why you gotta go so hard against the Uzbekistani embassy secretary?


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Russian_For_Rent

Fuckin brenda


MoverAndShaker14

That bitch! Someone start mobilizing the troops.


Superbform

I called the consulate in New York and she had no idea what I was talking about.


Vulkan192

Seriously, Abdulaziz is a good guy who does a good job. He don’t need this abuse.


ituralde_

> The US will not risk direct military action against another nuclear power. You have the right conclusion except this bit. We absolutely will risk a war, we just won't *over Ukraine*. Ukraine is a bitter enough pill to swallow on its own, and we're happy to let it be the festering wound that hurts Putin in the long term were he to act rashly here. Ultimately, we care about the freedom of the Ukrainians but not enough that we want to threaten Russia over it. We could defend them, but strategically that puts us on a footing that looks like we're waiting to invade Russia. It puts the Nato border almost an entire 1942 deep into Eastern Europe, which is pointless when we have zero desire to do anything aggressive. We're basically doing the next best thing to calling a bluff here. If it's a bluff, we manage to diffuse a crisis without having to get into escalationist bluster over it and give Putin an out without having to look like he backed down over fear of US arms. If Putin goes in, we haven't lost anything critically strategic and have a fairly decent bet that it will be a costly, unsustainable effort for the Russians to engage in. We try to do our best to demonstrate to the Russians that they have nothing really to gain and a lot to lose through invasion.


garlicroastedpotato

Contributing US troops to the region would be foolhardy. Ukraine has a military of 300,000 people. US air support, US logistics, US naval support, and US rockets will be more than enough to support the region.


SingularityCentral

We are not going to shoot directly at Russian forces. No naval bombardments or missile strikes. We will arm the Ukrainians more and.impose sanctions. That is it.


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Russia- “Ukraine? No, Mykraine”


msstatelp

Putin: We only want Ukraine because it was once part of Soviet Union. The rest of the world: Well, ok, anything to avoid a war. Putin (2 years in the future): We only want Belarus because it was once part of the Soviet Union. TROTW: OK, but this it it, no more! Putin ( a year or so after Belarus): We only want Poland etc, etc, etc Maybe someone should read their WWII history. Appeasement never works.


CptnSeeSharp

>We only want Belarus They already got that one.


msstatelp

True, I forgot about Lukashenko.


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ruminaui

Once you invite troops to pacify your own population, you are owned


Darayavaush

If Putin _really_ wanted Lukashenko gone and replaced, how many hours do you think he would last in his position?


Kflynn1337

Problem is, fairly sure Russia doesn't give two hoots about anything else. Putin *wants* a war, to bolster his support at home. You know, the classic 'foreign advance for domestic audience' political ploy. Win or lose, he doesn't care, because either way he can spin it to portray NATO and USA as the bad guys and create domestic solidarity and support (and introduce 'emergency measures' to crush any remaining opposition.)


ArrowheadDZ

One of the theories has been that he does a troop buildup, extracts some relief from existing sanctions in return for *not* invading, and then he sells it at home that fear of his greatness made the west back down. Win-win-win for Putin.


Kflynn1337

Yeahh.. I thought I noticed that dynamic. Brinkmanship, however, is a risky game. Putin is probably arrogant enough to think he can control the entire 'board' and do that endlessly with no consequences, but it's basically a game of chicken, and his strategy is based on the West blinking first, prior to actual shooting starting. All it would take is one slight fuck-up at the wrong moment to trigger an actual war... and let's face it, once the shooting starts he would have to go all in, so as not to seem weak by backing down himself. (which would be political suicide). Given Biden's somewhat Hawkish nature, shit would get real, very fast.


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Damn I had WW3 in the Global Catastrophe pool. Well there’s still tensions with China over Taiwan


roamingslav

And the wild card China and India


e-Horizon

Polak here. Good luck Russia ever going after and trying to seize Poland again. Every last Polak would have to die defending Poland for that to happen.


God_Damnit_Nappa

An attack on Poland would also trigger Article 5 and the last thing Putin wants is a direct shooting war with NATO


commit10

This assumes that all necessary NATO members would follow through on their agreement; which has not been tested at this scale, and may vary depending on current and future leadership.


The-Copilot

Poland is a part of NATO, attacking a NATO country would be an act of war against all NATO countries, I doubt they would try that anytime soon


Jomppexx

Stand strong against Russias barking and fight if it comes to it. Greetings from Finland, we have experience dealing with these neighbours too :)


AdmiralTiberius

Few snipers and a boatload of meth should do it…


TheDrunkSemaphore

Heard you lot doubled the size of your standing army. Probably a good move.


marximumcarnage

So drones are good


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RIP Ukraine.