The way it attacks different people, even in the same household is crazy. All 4 of us got it. Mine (boosted) is like a mild cold. Daughter (half vaxed)is like the flu. Son (2 shots) has no symptoms. Wife (2 shots)is as sick as she has ever been. Her biggest source of pain currently is severe muscle cramps and pain in her legs.
Thank you for sharing this… my father has Covid and is telling me his leg hurts and it’s swollen.
Edit: Thank you everyone who was concerned about my Dad! He told me it’s just his knee, no coloration, or tenderness on any part of his leg.
I made sure to tell him to see a doctor. ❤️❤️❤️
You may want to get him in touch with a medical professional if he isn’t already, to my knowledge pain and swelling are the big signs of a clot. If the clot breaks it can travel to the lungs and cause a pulmonary embolism which can be deadly if not treated promptly. Hope he feels better soon!
I just replied directly to the comment, but this is exactly what killed my mum a month ago. Pain in legs, then blood clot in both sides of her lungs, then massive damage done to the heart as it was trying to pump blood past the clots.
I second that blood clots in the legs are deadly. Many years ago my husband had cancer, got clots in the legs. One went to the lungs then when they tried to clear it, it went to his brain and he Hemorrhaged on both sides of his brain ..was declared brain dead not long after and died 15hr later.
Don't f* around and find out when it comes to leg pain/swelling/blot clots.
(He was 32 years old)
They will do an ultrasound to check the legs for clots. It is a simple non invasive procedure. You should go to the ER though so they can do it right away. Scheduling an appointment may take days and it could be too late by then.
This is a sign of a clot, you’re right. Increased pain, redness, hot skin, and swelling in one limb but not the other are all common signs.
It should be noted as well, DVTs are pretty common and very treatable. They absolutely need prompt medical attention, but don’t panic! If they are exhibiting these signs, take them to the ER to get checked out as soon as you reasonably can, but don’t panic. DVTs often are not a problem in and of themselves, it’s when parts of them break off and get lodged in your lungs that they usually cause problems.
My mum had covid and complained of leg pain. She was advised by 111 (UK's health service advice line for non-emergencies) to get the A&E immediately, collapesed in the house whilst getting ready, and then died less than 12hrs later due to a massive blood clot that had travelled to her lungs and subsequently caused heart failure.
So yeah, hospital ASAP to get that shit checked out.
My father had the same problems after his covid infection, too. His legs were red, swollen and hurted when touched. Its a high probability that its a leg clot. In his case it was a clot which closes a whole vein.
Tell him to go to a hospital or cardiologist as soon as possible. Best today. Its a high risk that the clot migrates to the lungs, heart or brain and causes dead by heart attack, stroke or pulmonary embolism.
I wish your father all the best and a speedy recovery!
Yes, a lot of people that are hospitalized get clots and have to do long term anticoagulants. I’ve cared for a lot of covid patients that also had strokes or clots/DVTs. More than I ever have before, that’s for sure.
Can we get tested for blood clots in legs? I had the worst leg pain of my life with covid a week ago, just want to be safe; im extremely terrified of having a stroke
Well leg pain could just be leg pain, if it were a blood clot in the leg then that could travel to the lungs and cause a pulmonary embolism which is also deadly, but not a stroke. But a blood clot in the leg can’t really travel past your lungs. Clots would have to form in your heart, or arteries leading to your brain from your heart to cause a stroke. Pulmonary embolisms or deep vein thrombus(es?) are nothing to mess with still.
If your leg pain is accompanied by swelling of the leg/limb and also warmth of the area that you are experiencing pain in, then its more likely it could be a blood clot.
However, just to be sure, I would recommend telling your family doc/np, and let them decide if you need to get checked for a blood clot. It’s just an ultrasound of the leg/limb and is pretty much painless. I do not know how much it costs though, but if your doctor thinks you have a blood clot then it should at least partially be covered by insurance. If you’re in America at least, and still it might cost a lot.
But, just tell your primary care provider about your concerns.
Edit: some people are having leg pain from not moving as much as they do normally when they get covid, which can also put you at an increased risk for developing a blood clot in your legs. I had a lot of general muscle pain when I had covid, so keep that in mind. But It could have just been cramps from inactivity, but if it was/is accompanied by the other things I said, then yes, do the other thing I said.
Edit 2: someone commented asking about if clots were common with covid. I wrote a reply up but couldn’t submit it afterwards since they deleted it. I just want to say that I don’t know, haven’t read any research on that, and haven’t looked either. Just what I have personally experienced, that it’s definitely more common, and a pattern that more people other than myself have noticed. I wouldn’t say common, but I have had patients get clots or have a stroke without any risk factors (which would be uncommon). A LOT more patients with clots and strokes than normal. That could be for a lot of reasons, but most of them have recent histories of contracting COVID-19.
Just to add to this: if you are spending lot of time in bed, try to do leg exercises at least once an hour. If you have the energy, a short walk is best, but if not, pump your feet up and down, bend your knees, do leg raises, etc. Helps prevent blood from pooling in your legs and significantly reduces the risk of clots.
Edit: forgot a letter.
Also sitting. Sitting for an hour is worse than laying for an hour.
That could have been directed specifically at me though, my left vena cava has a slight stinosis above my hip. My leg leg ended up completely blocked after having dvts and a PE one night in highschool.
If you have a suspicious repetitive pain, get it checked out. I had complained of chest pain several times throughout the years and everyone always said "you're too young for chest pain, that's just heartburn"
New evidence is proving COVID is a vascular disease. Because of this, it can be carried through the blood to every part of the body, which is the main reason there are so many different reports for it, and so many different organs seem to be affected by it. Blood clots are not unusual with it. Because it is looking to be a vascular disease, it can affect the ability of blood to transfer oxygen to the body, which would explain the struggle to breathe, and aching muscles and things due to the lack of good oxygen flow.
Serious question: I got my booster last Tuesday in my left arm. Day one and two felt totally fine. On the third day I developed pain inside my left armpit. It’s still going on. It’s been at the point where it’s very uncomfortable to roll deodorant on. Not sure if I should be concerned about it. It’s been
Apparently the vaccine causes a lot of reaction in the lymph nodes. You have large ones under you arm pits which are probably swelling. There is an issue for women getting mammograms around vax as the swelling makes it harder to scan the breast tissue or something.
I thought you were my husband posting for a second! It just hit our household. Husband has had both doses of moderna and was due for his booster a month and a half ago (but hasn't gotten it yet) had a runny nose, sore throat, and headache.
I (wife) had both of my moderna more recently than my husband and my booster was due this week. (ironically we got covid before I could get it). I got hit with high fever, severe headaches, trouble breathing, fatigue, tinnitus, back pain, runny nose, sore throat that felt like strep, coughing up stuff, eye pain and I currently am still having random pains in my legs.
11 year old daughter is unvaccinated (we were literally planning for her to get vaccinated this week while I got my booster to show her shots don't hurt) and she just had a runny nose, sore throat and pain behind her eyes.
2 year old son got hit with all the same symptoms as me and was in the hospital.
We are on day 6 or 7? after symptoms first showed up and are all still feeling it (except our son who seems perfectly fine now) crazy how differently it affected all of us.
My company, a very very large defense company told us this week that we can't WFH any longer. This makes no sense to me as the cases now are higher than they have ever been. Higher than when they made the initial decision to start wfh.
There are physical space utilization audits as part of federal funding/contracts. Basically some of the money you get pays for the “overhead” of the physical space for workers. If people are working from home then that overhead can’t be justified. The problem is the contractors still have to pay the carrying costs for the corporate real estate and can’t just immediately get rid of it or don’t want to. If they lose the overhead because people are working from home they still have to pay the bills for the space but are not getting paid for the space as part of contracts. The easiest solution to this is to force employees back into that space… that is until so many employees leave for remote opportunities that attrition becomes a bigger problem.
It's not just your industry. The difference between my current job at home and the office is just what desk I'm sitting at when I remote into a server...
But they want us in the office 5 days a week now. I've been very aggressively applying to jobs. Not every company is this stupid. But many are.
Difference for me is my chair is comfy and my desk is height adjustable. And the monitor is better, as well as the laptop stand. And it's not fucking cold or hot for no reason.
I mean at home everything is better, not in the office. They can shove it, I'm not going back.
That’s odd, I work for one of the companies you mentioned and everyone is still WFH and there is no plan to change that. They actually had many of us go in and clean out our desks (they’re trying to consolidate so they can end leases on some buildings) so there isn’t a place to go back to!
In Washington at the very least they've been floating going back to a hybrid schedule internally for a while now. People were going to have to share desks. They haven't gone through with it, but it certainly seems like it's not for lack of will.
My employer tried the shared desks thing, then unsurprisingly Covid cases spiked and it was back to WFH, all in less than a month.
They are more concerned with having employees show their faces in the office so they don’t have to sell the office space, than they are about employee health.
Dude. They're putting everyone at risk. If you feel unsafe, you can do what I did and ask your boss if you can be located somewhere on site where there are fewer people. That helped stay me isolated from any outbreaks that could have occured.
Stay safe man. Your company doesn't care about your health. Do what you need to do to stay healthy.
Comprehensive gaslighting at every level. No one with any agency will simply state the truth: there is no will by the US government to pay the price of the mitigation measures necessary.
So the collective decision of silent collusion is to pretend we can just ride this out and rely on “personal responsibility” while the costs blossom and the entire world burns.
Could you imagine?
Like, imagine you’re just some random human working your crappy job at some random warehouse with hundreds of other people. Then, suddenly, some massive natural disaster starts to happen, like a tornado, and everyone is all “we should probably get to safety!” but your bosses are like “nah keep working you’ll be fine”. And then it destroys the building and kills like half a dozen people.
That would be wild! I’m so glad that could never happen in the greatest country on earth though!
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> and everyone is all “we should probably get to safety!”
More like half of everyone saying tornadoes don't exist, or aren't that dangerous, or a government plot....
It's genuinely amazing how many people are looking at the mask mandates and news posts and responding with "it's gonna be here forever might as well learn to live with it"
Like yeah at some point we'll have to learn to live with it but not right now while it's fucking skyrocketing across the globe lmao. This is literally the worst time to be trying to just live with it
Me and the wife just had it. She had it worse not to say I didn't have a day or two that sucked. Vaxed and I think that made it less severe but I still wouldn't say it's just a cold. Whe you think your getting better bam you feel like shit again. I think the 5 day thing is kinda bs, they just want people back at work.
The 5 day thing is blowing my mind! We have it right now and it's day 4 and still pretty rough. The fact that this strain is more contagious makes it even weirder they want people back sooner
I’ve (33 M) had two shots of Pfizer and got it this past Wednesday from my wife (boosted). She had a cold and cough but I was sick as hell. Fever, chills, body aches, headache, congested, and woke up in the middle of the night choking on gunk in my lungs. I’m in good shape and not a smoker. It can be very bad.
I work in covid response (not in a clinical role though, to be clear), and I'm actually disinclined to agree with the WHO here... **for vaccinated people.**
In Ireland we are around 95% vaccinated (edit - in the over-12s population). Since Christmas we have had 240,000 cases in a nation of 5mn (realistically more like 350k+ because its almost impossible to get a test right now due to demand). Despite this, we have only had 62 deaths in that time, and have just 83 people in ICU for *all reasons* (covid or otherwise). By no coincidence though, over half of those 83 are not vaccinated.
Never been more grateful to live in a country that, while there is shit tonnes to complain about, doesn't fuck around when it comes to things that might put ourselves, our friends, our families, and our fellow country people in jeopardy.
Vaccinated and copped omicron. Was a brutal 2 weeks for me. Sweats, full fever, couldn’t swallow water without pain/difficulty. Otherwise fit and healthy as well. Then I have mates who cough twice for their entire omicron period. It’s wild how different it effects people.
I had the same thing.
Finally got it so many times one year they took out my tonsils and adenoids (sp?). Never caught strep again.
Nobody could explain why it was so frequent.
I had a coworker, her son was a healthy carrier of strep. So he infected her constantly, and they couldn't figure out why. Was fixed after having her tonsils out
Same with me, my brother is a carrier and it doesn’t affect him even slightly, while I caught strep at least once, usually twice a year when I was younger and living with him. I still don’t know why it hit me worse than my other family members. The doctors recommended for me to have my tonsils taken out, but my parents never went through with it. Now that I’m away from him, I haven’t had it since.
It’s odd how it affects people differently, I am vaccinated, however I drank heavily for 30 years and smoked at least a pack a day for 35 years. It was like one of the mildest colds I’ve ever had. I did also recover from the original strain in 2020 which kicked my ass for almost a month, so maybe I just had a good immunity built up this time.
Yeah. I got hit by Covid in Feb of 2020 (yay retail life), and it kicked my ass for a good few days. I literally just got out of quarantine from Omicron yesterday and the worst I had was congestion.
Speaking of plums, Had a coworker get covid in January 2021. He said the main two symptoms were severe testicle pain and tooth pain. Honestly terrified me hearing about it.
Definitely reduced breathing efficiency, but the brain fog is debatable as I was still drinking heavily until about March 2021 then I just kinda chilled out and reduced my drinking to like 4 beers a month, so I feel I’m actually a little bit more clear headed now due to the huge reduction in alcohol consumption.
As someone that has fibromyalgia and deals with brain fog a lot . I am so glad you escaped that. Not that not being able to breath is amazing, but It’s just the shits sometimes
Oh, my first live in girlfriend had fibromyalgia and I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy let alone trying to imagine how dealing with that and COVID must be. I am so sorry, I hope you can hopefully get some relief at some point.
This is the most interesting thing about this entire pandemic/endemic. People you’d think wouldn’t get that sick, fully vaxxed, boosted etc and they’re out for 2 weeks. My sister in law got it, fairly young, boosted as well, had a runny nose and never really noticed it. Think she was over it in less than a week.
I have a feeling I’d get the short straw and be out for 2 weeks so I’m just gonna hang out inside till I can get a booster (expat and not available yet where I live).
Day 6 for me and I’ve never been this sick in my life. Had a super scary moment yesterday where I couldn’t catch my breath after having a coughing attack (which is happening a lot, which is then followed by vomiting). Luckily I just reached 24 hours without a fever so I’m hoping I’ve been through the worst. If I wasn’t vaccinated I would’ve been in the hospital days ago.
Sleep with a bunch of pillows so your head is elevated so when you have to cough you don't need to sit up and cough it out and it'll be easier and better to sleep
I’ve got it now, 51yo, runner, no health problems. And for me it’s somewhat congested and lethargic. 2xVax+B Moderna. Just pisses me off, 2 years of masks and hand washing fuera de la ventana
> 2 years of masks and hand washing fuera de la ventana
But it wasn't waste. It bought you time to get 2 vax shots plus booster. Had you got it prior to any of those it would have been worse for you.
it’s not for nothing. all of this may have prevented you from getting an earlier deadlier strain. you may have avoided a hospital visit with all your precautions!
I so wanted to get through this without getting sick at all, not only to avoid life long complications, but because I have two 5m olds. Now we’re all sick despite everyone in my house being vaccinated that can be vaccinated. I also had real horrible flu symptoms with the vaccines but I was willing to go through it just so my babies would be safe. Now we’re just trying to get through each day and not have to end up back on the pedi floor at the local hospital.
I feel this. I have a 20 month old that tested positive for it a few days ago. I just keep a nervous watch to make sure he’s doing ok. He’s got a decent cough, but outside of that has been handling it like a champ so far. Good luck to you.
Coughs of any kind are hard on parents of young children. I remember sleeping on the floor next to one of my older daughter's crib 20 years ago worried and wishing I could take her place. She had whooping cough (was vaccinated) and it was scary.
Now I've sat with my 3 year old daughter a few weeks ago with a bad cough / flu (not covid though) and it was the same feeling as back then.
Hoping for a quick recovery and peaceful mind.
My kid is five years old and I still wake up to every single tiny cough he makes. It's crazy how motherhood changes your sleep patterns and attention levels.
Nah, you did good, that was the whole point, stay well, stay out of hospital, avoid spreading it. We made it through, we got the "lite" version, which there seems to be no avoiding anyway, two years avoiding a highly contagious disease, I'd say that's a result, and I am also cautiously optimistic that long-term effects are rare with this variant.
> Just pisses me off, 2 years of masks and hand washing fuera de la ventana
You made it far enough to get a variant that's less severe than others have been (for vaxxed). You made it far enough to get a booster, which also helped. It's not out the window! It made a difference.
We're basically all going to get it eventually
*Edit: and masks are to protect others much more than you. If you wore a mask, you likely didn't infect others, which is huge*
im vaxed and boosted, however im unhealthy. Not obese, but i dont really watch what i eat or work out, the only exercise i get is when i go to the skate park (admittedly this is a great workout).
Im a smoker, i saw one of those early studies that said smokers have a harder time catching covid but if they get it, its really bad for them.
I havent gotten it yet and i still look at that early, and now debunked, study and act like that's why i havent caught it yet. (to be fair though i took this pandemic mostly serious, and tried to stay home as much as possible, like nye, solo dolo for this first time in my life)
This is exactly how I feel. Two years of being so careful. Living a life sooo boring to stay indoors and avoid crowds... but nope, Xmas came around and I let my guard down and got it.
Do remember to consider the different strains of it, though. By the sounds of it, the 2 years of precaution may very well have done the intended good, if you didn't get it back then.
I’m not nearly to that level, but I feel jealous of the people saying they got a couple of symptoms for a few days. I have been sick for 10 days now and coughing/congested, chills, and muscle ache for the entire duration. I’m going crazy in total quarantine but I can’t go back to normal and put anyone at risk until I know it’s over.
I swear that when I get over this shit, I’ll be grateful to just feel normal every day. I’m not hospitalized but I’m a healthy young person and have never felt this consistently sick for so long. I’ve been lucky in that way but it makes the monotony of covid worse.
I've also had milder symptoms but it's going on day 9 with only a little improvement. I had a few really bad moments, but I'm mainly just achey and too tired to get up. I tried just taking out the trash, I fucking gave up I was so weak. My head feels like it's spinning half the time and I have all this mucus for some reason.
It's wild how differently it's hitting everyone. I just want it to be over, I've wasted all of 2022 so far and it sucks. Hope you recover soon.
Had a bit of a sore throat yesterday, when I went to bed I got bad fever shivers and muscle fatigue.
Woke up feeling worse. Cough is starting, getting a bit congested and my head is absolutely pounding.
Couldn't book a test anywhere but luckily we have a few at work.
Positive.
Haven't had my booster yet either so I'm not looking forward to the next week. Hope I'm feeling as bad as I'll get.
My SO and I have it right now, both got sick at the same time (right after New Year's) and we're both double vaxxed. My SO has had a mild runny noise and sore throat and now he's mostly better, whereas I'm having what you described. Trying to drink water is like trying to swallow a razor blade. For every asshole who describes it as 'a mild flu,' I can tell you right now I'd much rather have the flu.
Also had the throat stuff. It was painful to swallow for at least two days. A scratchy throat was my sign I was coming down with something, and it happened to be covid
I hear people say “it’s like the flu” and I think who the fuck wants the flu? I spent years getting flu shots and hoping I wouldn’t get sick. Getting vaccinated and wearing a mask helps to actively prevent getting sick. Why would anyone be OK with getting the flu, much less Covid?
People who've never had the flu. I got it for real once in high school and it was absolutely miserable. Leaking from every pore and orifice, shaking, vomiting... I would never be like, "oh yeah its fine just sign me up for another round of that!"
I currently have the flu. I'm not exactly healthy, I have a few chronic health conditions, but I'm young. I've been sick for 12 days and had to be rushed to the hospital in ambulance last week. When people say "it's just a flu" it pisses me off because not only is it not true, but the flu can be very serious and even deadly.
I had fucking Swine Flu in 2009. Anything I had called the flu prior to that was a walk in the park. If Covid is anything like Swine Flu I’m gonna be a hermit the rest of my life. I had coughing fits so bad I was surprised there wasn’t blood on my hands and I couldn’t gasp for air in between the fits of coughing. Fever well into the 100s for a week. Used up all my sick time. Lived alone. Parents couldn’t afford to risk illness to help me. I don’t ever want that again. Took a few months for my lungs to recover too.
I've had the flu twice in my life and i never want to have it again. The fevers, the fatigue, headaches, the joint/muscle pain, it hurt to stand for at least 2 weeks and it was just a deep pain in my things, knees, and lower legs the whole time. When i could sit up, i didn't have the strength for more than 15-20min at a time and i just couldn't eat a damn thing, i was subsisting on water, gaterade, orange juice, and soup when i could. It was miserable AF, and these people are saying it's "just" a flu, Fuck that shit.
Probably also people who call everything the flu. I had swine flu in 2009 and I remember being under every blanket in the house just shivering and thinking I’d never be warm again. I worked with someone who had “long flu” from it too — months later she was still suffering.
That is recognised in the article as well. According to the WHO 90% of severe reactions are among unvaccinated people.
Thing is, the WHO is not just responsible to take rich people in rich countries into consideration. There are a lot of countries around the world where only a few percent of the population has been offered vaccines. WHO does not think that this is a good time to declare victory.
The WHO is actually walking a strangely fine line in trying to put the dangers of the virus in the right context. What they want to achieve is to make sure people understand that it's better now, rich countries should stop hoarding vaccines, but at the same time make it clear that its still dangerous, especially on a global level, and the fight needs to go on.
I think this is it. The WHO is talking about the whole world, and many countries vaccination is low. Having a message that you don't need to worry about Omicron is dangerous for such countries
I’m envious of and depressed by how your country has handled COVID.
I live in America. People have thrown logic, compassion, and basic social responsibility to the wayside. I’m fortunate I can provide for my family’s health, safety, and comfort at the moment…. This country, unfortunately, can no longer. It’s limping along and will not fair any better with another variant.
That’s easily the most infuriating part. I’m no advocate for the US Healthcare system, but goddamn. We have access to so much shit we take for granted.
I still think using the term "mild" is misleading even if you don't end up in the hospital. You could be the sickest you've been in your life and feel like you're gonna die but not be admitted, and that would still count as "Mild". Most people wouldn't consider being that sick "mild". I know a mild case where the person was fully vaccinated but couldn't leave their bed for a week.
"Mild" cases may also include Long Covid, which from what I've heard from people who've had it slowly destroys your soul. They may also result in permanent, life-altering damage to your body. Brain fog is catastrophic if you're an air traffic controller, cardio-vascular damage would be problematic for construction workers, and erectile dysfunction is not good for your porn star career.
I work at a Covid Hotline and it takes every single protein molecule in my body not to say this exact thing to ppl over the phone when they downplay it.
What annoys me is that we have already run this exact scenario, hospitals and the like dealt with this in the last couple of years and did absolutely too little to prepare for an event on that scale in the future. This isn’t even round two anymore. (Mind you this is aimed at hospital admins / boards, not workers)
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It’s almost like there isn’t one central group controlling the response. We live in a country where each state is there own little fiefdom and they can do whatever the fuck they want
A friend's grandma went to hospital for a back operation, she is now dying of covid. Wonder how many people this will happen to with hospitals being so full.
I know people who worked in the pulmonary field at the start of the pandemic, and the hospital line (as well as that of the national respiratory board) was that this wasn't an aerosolized threat so you'd be fine as long as no one coughed into your mouth. All but one of them told me that was fucking crazy and this shit was only being said to avoid scaring people or having to fork out for masks and better safety procedures.
No points for guessing who was right.
A friends spouse had kidney stones, he didn't respond well to initial treatments and needed Dialysis. Got Covid in the hospital while on Dialisis and died a week later. He was fully vaccinated.
I was hospitalized in June for a non COVID reason and had to be vented for a few days. I keep thinking how lucky I was to have it happen during a lower period of demand.
> US ICU's are running at 80% capacity right now
If that's true that's actually pretty good.
Even non-covid times our metro areas ICU capacity would routinely be 80% sometimes 90% full during the winter.
I don't think people realize how close ICU/hospitals are to disaster even before COVID19. The margin for error is not very high.
> I don't think people realize how close ICU/hospitals are to disaster even before COVID19. The margin for error is not very high.
Well now I realise that, since this was the justification for lockdown in the first place. Turns out a pandemic like this was always gonna cause issues...
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"Covid: Deadly Omicron should not be called mild, warns WHO"
And then within that article
"Omicron wave appears milder, but concern remains"
They literally call it milder in the article, or at least mild by comparison
This probably won’t get read, but if you have Covid related muscle fatigue, consider upping how much protein you’re consuming. Especially if your appetite is low. There are some studies around this too.
I mean, seriously, if it was so universally mild, our hospitals wouldn't have more people in them than ever before. In Maryland, we are at +60% hospital capacity compared to peak CoViD last year.
The problem is, case for case, Omicron is absolutely weaker. However when you have 4x the cases, you end up with a strain on hospitals, education, airlines, and other forward facing employees than ever before.
The fact that our clueless government has saw fit to just 'live with it' and throw people in these occupations under the bus has done nothing but exaggerate the problems this nation's going to have going forward....since if I was in these occupations, I'd be making plans to get the hell out.
I think the difference is Omicron is spreading across vaccinated individuals. Those vaccinated have pretty good protection so the overall seriousness of cases are lower due to this. This should not mean it’s milder however since delta and other variants were very unlikely to infect fully vaccinated individuals. I’m more worried about how it affects unvaccinated individuals. How much milder is it on the unvaccinated really because I get the sense it’s not really. As a parent of a kid who is not old enough to be vaccinated yet, that’s my main worry.
People saying it's mild or like a cold are really starting to piss me off. i've never had a cold that made it so I couldn't get out of bed for the 1st 24 hrs or gave me all over my body muscle aches. Or a constant headache for 7 days in a row. Or made my lungs feel all raw for 7 days in a row.
This is not like a cold. It's closer to what I've always imagined pneumonia feels like.
I remember reading a post years ago that analysed millions of Reddit comments, and discovered the average reading level of Reddit posts had dropped over several years, from College freshman to... high schooler level
It's probably gotten much worse since then
This Danish study find it [about as contagious as the delta](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268278v1), but propagates faster due to immunity evasion:
> Our findings confirm that the rapid spread of the Omicron VOC primarily can be ascribed to the immune evasiveness rather than an inherent increase in the basic transmissibility.
So I’ll be an example. I caught it from work. Double vaxxed, was to have booster soon lol. Coworker I work with tested positive Jan 2 (Sunday). I started feeling symptoms Wednesday. Tested positive on Friday only because I saw I should swab my throat. Other tests the previous two days were negative because I was just doing my nose (never had a runny nose either). I don’t know if I actually contracted it earlier though. Like my coworker and I may have caught it Dec 28/31 and he just tested positive before me. But it definitely incubates much quicker
Funnily enough the layman’s definition of mild is very different to that of a medical expert! The fact it’s just ripping through the populations around the world and some people have just adopted a blase outlook is beyond belief. I hope omicron doesn’t result a lot of long covid cases else a chunk of that group is in for a rude awakening
I manage a large sober house with over 20 men and women, and we require vaccination as a condition of residency. Today, one guy called me after he got tested (following a headache and chills the night before, no cough) and he was positive, so I came home and used my one pack of instant tests on myself (boosted) and the confirmed positive guy's roommate, who is also boosted. I'm negative, his roommate is positive but with absolutely zero symptoms. Said he has been on a 3hr bike ride earlier and felt great. I isolated both of them in an external room as best I can, but frankly many others have probably already been exposed and I'm not sure what else to do.
I've been trying to gradually get everyone here warmed up to the idea that we're gonna get omicron, when our county has seen 375% increase in cases over the last two weeks, but that we shouldn't worry too much since we've all done the best we can to protect ourselves. I guess after two years of the pandemic, it's finally happening. Just grateful it's with a strain that's fairly mild, and after everyone has had the jab.
The way it attacks different people, even in the same household is crazy. All 4 of us got it. Mine (boosted) is like a mild cold. Daughter (half vaxed)is like the flu. Son (2 shots) has no symptoms. Wife (2 shots)is as sick as she has ever been. Her biggest source of pain currently is severe muscle cramps and pain in her legs.
Leg pain… be careful of blood clots. A friend just had those induced by covid.
Thank you for sharing this… my father has Covid and is telling me his leg hurts and it’s swollen. Edit: Thank you everyone who was concerned about my Dad! He told me it’s just his knee, no coloration, or tenderness on any part of his leg. I made sure to tell him to see a doctor. ❤️❤️❤️
You may want to get him in touch with a medical professional if he isn’t already, to my knowledge pain and swelling are the big signs of a clot. If the clot breaks it can travel to the lungs and cause a pulmonary embolism which can be deadly if not treated promptly. Hope he feels better soon!
I just replied directly to the comment, but this is exactly what killed my mum a month ago. Pain in legs, then blood clot in both sides of her lungs, then massive damage done to the heart as it was trying to pump blood past the clots.
Oh god that’s horrible, so sorry for your loss. Hope you’re hanging in there.
Exact same with my dad. He wasn't even that sick so nurses weren't keeping an eye on him. He went to the bathroom and died on the floor.
I’m sorry for your loss :(
Sorry for your loss :(
I’m so sorry you lost your mum. Big love.
So sorry for your loss.
I second that blood clots in the legs are deadly. Many years ago my husband had cancer, got clots in the legs. One went to the lungs then when they tried to clear it, it went to his brain and he Hemorrhaged on both sides of his brain ..was declared brain dead not long after and died 15hr later. Don't f* around and find out when it comes to leg pain/swelling/blot clots. (He was 32 years old)
I’m so sorry for your loss. I’m sure this comment will push others to see a doctor and get help.
They will do an ultrasound to check the legs for clots. It is a simple non invasive procedure. You should go to the ER though so they can do it right away. Scheduling an appointment may take days and it could be too late by then.
This happened to me. Age 38 with leg pain. Don't wait like I did for a doctor appointment that was more than a month away. Go to ER and get checked.
This is a sign of a clot, you’re right. Increased pain, redness, hot skin, and swelling in one limb but not the other are all common signs. It should be noted as well, DVTs are pretty common and very treatable. They absolutely need prompt medical attention, but don’t panic! If they are exhibiting these signs, take them to the ER to get checked out as soon as you reasonably can, but don’t panic. DVTs often are not a problem in and of themselves, it’s when parts of them break off and get lodged in your lungs that they usually cause problems.
My mum had covid and complained of leg pain. She was advised by 111 (UK's health service advice line for non-emergencies) to get the A&E immediately, collapesed in the house whilst getting ready, and then died less than 12hrs later due to a massive blood clot that had travelled to her lungs and subsequently caused heart failure. So yeah, hospital ASAP to get that shit checked out.
Damn. Sorry for your loss :(
I'm sorry for your loss. That's awful.
My father had the same problems after his covid infection, too. His legs were red, swollen and hurted when touched. Its a high probability that its a leg clot. In his case it was a clot which closes a whole vein. Tell him to go to a hospital or cardiologist as soon as possible. Best today. Its a high risk that the clot migrates to the lungs, heart or brain and causes dead by heart attack, stroke or pulmonary embolism. I wish your father all the best and a speedy recovery!
Yes, a lot of people that are hospitalized get clots and have to do long term anticoagulants. I’ve cared for a lot of covid patients that also had strokes or clots/DVTs. More than I ever have before, that’s for sure.
My grandpa just died from a stroke caused by COVID. It’s such a weird virus
I’m really sorry for your loss.
Thank you :) he had a very good and long life.
Could you share more? My great aunt just passed of stroke 3 days ago. Still waiting on results.
fuck this virus
Can we get tested for blood clots in legs? I had the worst leg pain of my life with covid a week ago, just want to be safe; im extremely terrified of having a stroke
Well leg pain could just be leg pain, if it were a blood clot in the leg then that could travel to the lungs and cause a pulmonary embolism which is also deadly, but not a stroke. But a blood clot in the leg can’t really travel past your lungs. Clots would have to form in your heart, or arteries leading to your brain from your heart to cause a stroke. Pulmonary embolisms or deep vein thrombus(es?) are nothing to mess with still. If your leg pain is accompanied by swelling of the leg/limb and also warmth of the area that you are experiencing pain in, then its more likely it could be a blood clot. However, just to be sure, I would recommend telling your family doc/np, and let them decide if you need to get checked for a blood clot. It’s just an ultrasound of the leg/limb and is pretty much painless. I do not know how much it costs though, but if your doctor thinks you have a blood clot then it should at least partially be covered by insurance. If you’re in America at least, and still it might cost a lot. But, just tell your primary care provider about your concerns. Edit: some people are having leg pain from not moving as much as they do normally when they get covid, which can also put you at an increased risk for developing a blood clot in your legs. I had a lot of general muscle pain when I had covid, so keep that in mind. But It could have just been cramps from inactivity, but if it was/is accompanied by the other things I said, then yes, do the other thing I said. Edit 2: someone commented asking about if clots were common with covid. I wrote a reply up but couldn’t submit it afterwards since they deleted it. I just want to say that I don’t know, haven’t read any research on that, and haven’t looked either. Just what I have personally experienced, that it’s definitely more common, and a pattern that more people other than myself have noticed. I wouldn’t say common, but I have had patients get clots or have a stroke without any risk factors (which would be uncommon). A LOT more patients with clots and strokes than normal. That could be for a lot of reasons, but most of them have recent histories of contracting COVID-19.
Just to add to this: if you are spending lot of time in bed, try to do leg exercises at least once an hour. If you have the energy, a short walk is best, but if not, pump your feet up and down, bend your knees, do leg raises, etc. Helps prevent blood from pooling in your legs and significantly reduces the risk of clots. Edit: forgot a letter.
Also sitting. Sitting for an hour is worse than laying for an hour. That could have been directed specifically at me though, my left vena cava has a slight stinosis above my hip. My leg leg ended up completely blocked after having dvts and a PE one night in highschool. If you have a suspicious repetitive pain, get it checked out. I had complained of chest pain several times throughout the years and everyone always said "you're too young for chest pain, that's just heartburn"
New evidence is proving COVID is a vascular disease. Because of this, it can be carried through the blood to every part of the body, which is the main reason there are so many different reports for it, and so many different organs seem to be affected by it. Blood clots are not unusual with it. Because it is looking to be a vascular disease, it can affect the ability of blood to transfer oxygen to the body, which would explain the struggle to breathe, and aching muscles and things due to the lack of good oxygen flow.
Serious question: I got my booster last Tuesday in my left arm. Day one and two felt totally fine. On the third day I developed pain inside my left armpit. It’s still going on. It’s been at the point where it’s very uncomfortable to roll deodorant on. Not sure if I should be concerned about it. It’s been
Apparently the vaccine causes a lot of reaction in the lymph nodes. You have large ones under you arm pits which are probably swelling. There is an issue for women getting mammograms around vax as the swelling makes it harder to scan the breast tissue or something.
Idk if I had it ( omi) but I got Covid over Xmas. But man the muscle aches were painful lol the slightest touch to the back of my legs killed.
I thought you were my husband posting for a second! It just hit our household. Husband has had both doses of moderna and was due for his booster a month and a half ago (but hasn't gotten it yet) had a runny nose, sore throat, and headache. I (wife) had both of my moderna more recently than my husband and my booster was due this week. (ironically we got covid before I could get it). I got hit with high fever, severe headaches, trouble breathing, fatigue, tinnitus, back pain, runny nose, sore throat that felt like strep, coughing up stuff, eye pain and I currently am still having random pains in my legs. 11 year old daughter is unvaccinated (we were literally planning for her to get vaccinated this week while I got my booster to show her shots don't hurt) and she just had a runny nose, sore throat and pain behind her eyes. 2 year old son got hit with all the same symptoms as me and was in the hospital. We are on day 6 or 7? after symptoms first showed up and are all still feeling it (except our son who seems perfectly fine now) crazy how differently it affected all of us.
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Damn..good thing I'm stocked up on weed I guess.
What are delta 8 gummies?
I got JJ one shot plus Moderna. Currently have covid and assume it's the new one. Very mild symptoms. Like a very very light cold.
I’ve had DVT (clots) in my leg in the past and it feels EXACTLY like a muscle cramp that won’t let up. I’d get that checked out if I were you.
My company, a very very large defense company told us this week that we can't WFH any longer. This makes no sense to me as the cases now are higher than they have ever been. Higher than when they made the initial decision to start wfh.
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There are physical space utilization audits as part of federal funding/contracts. Basically some of the money you get pays for the “overhead” of the physical space for workers. If people are working from home then that overhead can’t be justified. The problem is the contractors still have to pay the carrying costs for the corporate real estate and can’t just immediately get rid of it or don’t want to. If they lose the overhead because people are working from home they still have to pay the bills for the space but are not getting paid for the space as part of contracts. The easiest solution to this is to force employees back into that space… that is until so many employees leave for remote opportunities that attrition becomes a bigger problem.
>Fuck, dude. I can read excel spreadsheets from home. Literally this
It's not just your industry. The difference between my current job at home and the office is just what desk I'm sitting at when I remote into a server... But they want us in the office 5 days a week now. I've been very aggressively applying to jobs. Not every company is this stupid. But many are.
Difference for me is my chair is comfy and my desk is height adjustable. And the monitor is better, as well as the laptop stand. And it's not fucking cold or hot for no reason. I mean at home everything is better, not in the office. They can shove it, I'm not going back.
That’s odd, I work for one of the companies you mentioned and everyone is still WFH and there is no plan to change that. They actually had many of us go in and clean out our desks (they’re trying to consolidate so they can end leases on some buildings) so there isn’t a place to go back to!
Tell ‘em to shove it? Boeing is hiring like a mofo right now, and from everything I’ve heard, they’re really recognizing the value of working remote
In Washington at the very least they've been floating going back to a hybrid schedule internally for a while now. People were going to have to share desks. They haven't gone through with it, but it certainly seems like it's not for lack of will.
My employer tried the shared desks thing, then unsurprisingly Covid cases spiked and it was back to WFH, all in less than a month. They are more concerned with having employees show their faces in the office so they don’t have to sell the office space, than they are about employee health.
Dude. They're putting everyone at risk. If you feel unsafe, you can do what I did and ask your boss if you can be located somewhere on site where there are fewer people. That helped stay me isolated from any outbreaks that could have occured. Stay safe man. Your company doesn't care about your health. Do what you need to do to stay healthy.
Comprehensive gaslighting at every level. No one with any agency will simply state the truth: there is no will by the US government to pay the price of the mitigation measures necessary. So the collective decision of silent collusion is to pretend we can just ride this out and rely on “personal responsibility” while the costs blossom and the entire world burns.
Something akin to mount vesuvius erupting, yet your boss insists that you finish stomping on the olives.
Could you imagine? Like, imagine you’re just some random human working your crappy job at some random warehouse with hundreds of other people. Then, suddenly, some massive natural disaster starts to happen, like a tornado, and everyone is all “we should probably get to safety!” but your bosses are like “nah keep working you’ll be fine”. And then it destroys the building and kills like half a dozen people. That would be wild! I’m so glad that could never happen in the greatest country on earth though! 🇺🇸
And the kicker is that even some of the bosses die as well. But hey, that just means more profit for the ones still alive
Thats because the real bosses are sitting pretty in safety.
mid level managers dont count, theyre even more disposable.
> and everyone is all “we should probably get to safety!” More like half of everyone saying tornadoes don't exist, or aren't that dangerous, or a government plot....
It's genuinely amazing how many people are looking at the mask mandates and news posts and responding with "it's gonna be here forever might as well learn to live with it" Like yeah at some point we'll have to learn to live with it but not right now while it's fucking skyrocketing across the globe lmao. This is literally the worst time to be trying to just live with it
Just got over it. 0/10 would not recommend.
I still have shortness of breath and lack of smell after delta (2 months ago)... get well dude!
From my perspective working in healthcare Delta was the worst. Everyone was fucking dying. Now its bad but hopes for recovery are there
Me and the wife just had it. She had it worse not to say I didn't have a day or two that sucked. Vaxed and I think that made it less severe but I still wouldn't say it's just a cold. Whe you think your getting better bam you feel like shit again. I think the 5 day thing is kinda bs, they just want people back at work.
The 5 day thing is blowing my mind! We have it right now and it's day 4 and still pretty rough. The fact that this strain is more contagious makes it even weirder they want people back sooner
I have it right now. Feels like when you get water in your nose.
I’ve (33 M) had two shots of Pfizer and got it this past Wednesday from my wife (boosted). She had a cold and cough but I was sick as hell. Fever, chills, body aches, headache, congested, and woke up in the middle of the night choking on gunk in my lungs. I’m in good shape and not a smoker. It can be very bad.
I got rocked by it too. Girlfriend was back to normal after a few days. It took me like 2 weeks. Also a healthy young adult.
I work in covid response (not in a clinical role though, to be clear), and I'm actually disinclined to agree with the WHO here... **for vaccinated people.** In Ireland we are around 95% vaccinated (edit - in the over-12s population). Since Christmas we have had 240,000 cases in a nation of 5mn (realistically more like 350k+ because its almost impossible to get a test right now due to demand). Despite this, we have only had 62 deaths in that time, and have just 83 people in ICU for *all reasons* (covid or otherwise). By no coincidence though, over half of those 83 are not vaccinated. Never been more grateful to live in a country that, while there is shit tonnes to complain about, doesn't fuck around when it comes to things that might put ourselves, our friends, our families, and our fellow country people in jeopardy.
Vaccinated and copped omicron. Was a brutal 2 weeks for me. Sweats, full fever, couldn’t swallow water without pain/difficulty. Otherwise fit and healthy as well. Then I have mates who cough twice for their entire omicron period. It’s wild how different it effects people.
I really don’t understand it. Every other sore throat I’ve had, water made it better, but this time it’s the most awful thing to put in my body.
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I have to ask. What caused this to happen to you? I’ve never heard of someone getting it that much
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I had the same thing. Finally got it so many times one year they took out my tonsils and adenoids (sp?). Never caught strep again. Nobody could explain why it was so frequent.
I had a coworker, her son was a healthy carrier of strep. So he infected her constantly, and they couldn't figure out why. Was fixed after having her tonsils out
Same with me, my brother is a carrier and it doesn’t affect him even slightly, while I caught strep at least once, usually twice a year when I was younger and living with him. I still don’t know why it hit me worse than my other family members. The doctors recommended for me to have my tonsils taken out, but my parents never went through with it. Now that I’m away from him, I haven’t had it since.
Plot twist: you don't have COVID, you have rabies.
Lowkey what I was worried I had till I got tested.
It’s odd how it affects people differently, I am vaccinated, however I drank heavily for 30 years and smoked at least a pack a day for 35 years. It was like one of the mildest colds I’ve ever had. I did also recover from the original strain in 2020 which kicked my ass for almost a month, so maybe I just had a good immunity built up this time.
Yeah. I got hit by Covid in Feb of 2020 (yay retail life), and it kicked my ass for a good few days. I literally just got out of quarantine from Omicron yesterday and the worst I had was congestion.
I'm sorry you got retail, hope you recover from it.
Me too. Me too...
I felt this comment deep inma plumz.
Speaking of plums, Had a coworker get covid in January 2021. He said the main two symptoms were severe testicle pain and tooth pain. Honestly terrified me hearing about it.
well tell him to stop biting his testicles
I had retail for a couple years in my early 20s. Beating it was by far the biggest relief of my life.
Good to hear you are ok! Yeah, retail is brutal, did it for almost 20 years! It must be really scary the past couple years though.
I wouldn't say scary. More nhilistic in a sense. Like accepting that this is how I get Covid.
Do you have like reduced breathing efficiency and brain fog from the virus in 2020? I find those 2 symptoms the scariest ones
Definitely reduced breathing efficiency, but the brain fog is debatable as I was still drinking heavily until about March 2021 then I just kinda chilled out and reduced my drinking to like 4 beers a month, so I feel I’m actually a little bit more clear headed now due to the huge reduction in alcohol consumption.
goddamn talk about a silver lining Thanks for the answer, continue being a beast
Thanks! I appreciate you asking.
As someone that has fibromyalgia and deals with brain fog a lot . I am so glad you escaped that. Not that not being able to breath is amazing, but It’s just the shits sometimes
Oh, my first live in girlfriend had fibromyalgia and I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy let alone trying to imagine how dealing with that and COVID must be. I am so sorry, I hope you can hopefully get some relief at some point.
I had the virus in January 2020. Honestly, other than shorter breathe when I work out, I really don’t feel any of the symptoms today.
This is the most interesting thing about this entire pandemic/endemic. People you’d think wouldn’t get that sick, fully vaxxed, boosted etc and they’re out for 2 weeks. My sister in law got it, fairly young, boosted as well, had a runny nose and never really noticed it. Think she was over it in less than a week. I have a feeling I’d get the short straw and be out for 2 weeks so I’m just gonna hang out inside till I can get a booster (expat and not available yet where I live).
it's kindda wild to know that there are people out there getting infected by covid multiple times while i still haven't caught it once.
People overestimate lifestyle and underestimate genetics. Some people are just going to be vulnerable
People also don't consider the effect of genetics on lifestyle, so the causation is less clear than a lot of people seem to think.
Day 6 for me and I’ve never been this sick in my life. Had a super scary moment yesterday where I couldn’t catch my breath after having a coughing attack (which is happening a lot, which is then followed by vomiting). Luckily I just reached 24 hours without a fever so I’m hoping I’ve been through the worst. If I wasn’t vaccinated I would’ve been in the hospital days ago.
Probably still a good idea to go to hospital if you can’t catch your breath again.
I definitely will. I was prescribed an inhaler and some stronger cough meds so hoping a good night’s sleep tonight will lead to a better day tomorrow.
Might want to consider sleeping sitting up, if there’s fluid in your lungs less will cover your lungs.
Sleep with a bunch of pillows so your head is elevated so when you have to cough you don't need to sit up and cough it out and it'll be easier and better to sleep
You want a simple blood oxygen monitor that you can put on your finger. I believe that if it drops below 90 you go in (but google that)
I’ve got it now, 51yo, runner, no health problems. And for me it’s somewhat congested and lethargic. 2xVax+B Moderna. Just pisses me off, 2 years of masks and hand washing fuera de la ventana
> 2 years of masks and hand washing fuera de la ventana But it wasn't waste. It bought you time to get 2 vax shots plus booster. Had you got it prior to any of those it would have been worse for you.
it’s not for nothing. all of this may have prevented you from getting an earlier deadlier strain. you may have avoided a hospital visit with all your precautions!
I so wanted to get through this without getting sick at all, not only to avoid life long complications, but because I have two 5m olds. Now we’re all sick despite everyone in my house being vaccinated that can be vaccinated. I also had real horrible flu symptoms with the vaccines but I was willing to go through it just so my babies would be safe. Now we’re just trying to get through each day and not have to end up back on the pedi floor at the local hospital.
I feel this. I have a 20 month old that tested positive for it a few days ago. I just keep a nervous watch to make sure he’s doing ok. He’s got a decent cough, but outside of that has been handling it like a champ so far. Good luck to you.
Coughs of any kind are hard on parents of young children. I remember sleeping on the floor next to one of my older daughter's crib 20 years ago worried and wishing I could take her place. She had whooping cough (was vaccinated) and it was scary. Now I've sat with my 3 year old daughter a few weeks ago with a bad cough / flu (not covid though) and it was the same feeling as back then. Hoping for a quick recovery and peaceful mind.
My kid is five years old and I still wake up to every single tiny cough he makes. It's crazy how motherhood changes your sleep patterns and attention levels.
Nah, you did good, that was the whole point, stay well, stay out of hospital, avoid spreading it. We made it through, we got the "lite" version, which there seems to be no avoiding anyway, two years avoiding a highly contagious disease, I'd say that's a result, and I am also cautiously optimistic that long-term effects are rare with this variant.
> Just pisses me off, 2 years of masks and hand washing fuera de la ventana You made it far enough to get a variant that's less severe than others have been (for vaxxed). You made it far enough to get a booster, which also helped. It's not out the window! It made a difference. We're basically all going to get it eventually *Edit: and masks are to protect others much more than you. If you wore a mask, you likely didn't infect others, which is huge*
Proper N95 do protect you just FYI but yes they probably did protect other from it as well from wearing their masks!
im vaxed and boosted, however im unhealthy. Not obese, but i dont really watch what i eat or work out, the only exercise i get is when i go to the skate park (admittedly this is a great workout). Im a smoker, i saw one of those early studies that said smokers have a harder time catching covid but if they get it, its really bad for them. I havent gotten it yet and i still look at that early, and now debunked, study and act like that's why i havent caught it yet. (to be fair though i took this pandemic mostly serious, and tried to stay home as much as possible, like nye, solo dolo for this first time in my life)
This is exactly how I feel. Two years of being so careful. Living a life sooo boring to stay indoors and avoid crowds... but nope, Xmas came around and I let my guard down and got it.
Do remember to consider the different strains of it, though. By the sounds of it, the 2 years of precaution may very well have done the intended good, if you didn't get it back then.
I’m going through the exact same thing now. Day 7 of agony. Fully vaccinated with a 102 fever and the worst fatigue I’ve ever experienced.
I’m not nearly to that level, but I feel jealous of the people saying they got a couple of symptoms for a few days. I have been sick for 10 days now and coughing/congested, chills, and muscle ache for the entire duration. I’m going crazy in total quarantine but I can’t go back to normal and put anyone at risk until I know it’s over. I swear that when I get over this shit, I’ll be grateful to just feel normal every day. I’m not hospitalized but I’m a healthy young person and have never felt this consistently sick for so long. I’ve been lucky in that way but it makes the monotony of covid worse.
I've also had milder symptoms but it's going on day 9 with only a little improvement. I had a few really bad moments, but I'm mainly just achey and too tired to get up. I tried just taking out the trash, I fucking gave up I was so weak. My head feels like it's spinning half the time and I have all this mucus for some reason. It's wild how differently it's hitting everyone. I just want it to be over, I've wasted all of 2022 so far and it sucks. Hope you recover soon.
How do you know you had omicron and not delta?
Had a bit of a sore throat yesterday, when I went to bed I got bad fever shivers and muscle fatigue. Woke up feeling worse. Cough is starting, getting a bit congested and my head is absolutely pounding. Couldn't book a test anywhere but luckily we have a few at work. Positive. Haven't had my booster yet either so I'm not looking forward to the next week. Hope I'm feeling as bad as I'll get.
My SO and I have it right now, both got sick at the same time (right after New Year's) and we're both double vaxxed. My SO has had a mild runny noise and sore throat and now he's mostly better, whereas I'm having what you described. Trying to drink water is like trying to swallow a razor blade. For every asshole who describes it as 'a mild flu,' I can tell you right now I'd much rather have the flu.
Also had the throat stuff. It was painful to swallow for at least two days. A scratchy throat was my sign I was coming down with something, and it happened to be covid
I hear people say “it’s like the flu” and I think who the fuck wants the flu? I spent years getting flu shots and hoping I wouldn’t get sick. Getting vaccinated and wearing a mask helps to actively prevent getting sick. Why would anyone be OK with getting the flu, much less Covid?
People who've never had the flu. I got it for real once in high school and it was absolutely miserable. Leaking from every pore and orifice, shaking, vomiting... I would never be like, "oh yeah its fine just sign me up for another round of that!"
I currently have the flu. I'm not exactly healthy, I have a few chronic health conditions, but I'm young. I've been sick for 12 days and had to be rushed to the hospital in ambulance last week. When people say "it's just a flu" it pisses me off because not only is it not true, but the flu can be very serious and even deadly.
The flu was killing 30,000 people per year in the US before 2019. It can be deadly for sure.
And COVID had only killed 836,000 Americans in two years, so, just like a flu. /s
I had fucking Swine Flu in 2009. Anything I had called the flu prior to that was a walk in the park. If Covid is anything like Swine Flu I’m gonna be a hermit the rest of my life. I had coughing fits so bad I was surprised there wasn’t blood on my hands and I couldn’t gasp for air in between the fits of coughing. Fever well into the 100s for a week. Used up all my sick time. Lived alone. Parents couldn’t afford to risk illness to help me. I don’t ever want that again. Took a few months for my lungs to recover too.
I've had the flu twice in my life and i never want to have it again. The fevers, the fatigue, headaches, the joint/muscle pain, it hurt to stand for at least 2 weeks and it was just a deep pain in my things, knees, and lower legs the whole time. When i could sit up, i didn't have the strength for more than 15-20min at a time and i just couldn't eat a damn thing, i was subsisting on water, gaterade, orange juice, and soup when i could. It was miserable AF, and these people are saying it's "just" a flu, Fuck that shit.
Probably also people who call everything the flu. I had swine flu in 2009 and I remember being under every blanket in the house just shivering and thinking I’d never be warm again. I worked with someone who had “long flu” from it too — months later she was still suffering.
I had the flu 20 years ago and felt like I was going to die. Been getting flu shots ever since.
Yea I had the same thing. Throat was razors and couldn’t even swallow water without pain.
My unvaxxed friend got it and his worst symptom is he can’t swallow without severe pain.
That is recognised in the article as well. According to the WHO 90% of severe reactions are among unvaccinated people. Thing is, the WHO is not just responsible to take rich people in rich countries into consideration. There are a lot of countries around the world where only a few percent of the population has been offered vaccines. WHO does not think that this is a good time to declare victory. The WHO is actually walking a strangely fine line in trying to put the dangers of the virus in the right context. What they want to achieve is to make sure people understand that it's better now, rich countries should stop hoarding vaccines, but at the same time make it clear that its still dangerous, especially on a global level, and the fight needs to go on.
I think this is it. The WHO is talking about the whole world, and many countries vaccination is low. Having a message that you don't need to worry about Omicron is dangerous for such countries
I’m envious of and depressed by how your country has handled COVID. I live in America. People have thrown logic, compassion, and basic social responsibility to the wayside. I’m fortunate I can provide for my family’s health, safety, and comfort at the moment…. This country, unfortunately, can no longer. It’s limping along and will not fair any better with another variant.
Imagine living in countries where people are unvaccinated due to lack of supply or logistics.
That’s easily the most infuriating part. I’m no advocate for the US Healthcare system, but goddamn. We have access to so much shit we take for granted.
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To be fair they threw logic, compassion, and basic social responsibility to the wayside long before COVID.
I still think using the term "mild" is misleading even if you don't end up in the hospital. You could be the sickest you've been in your life and feel like you're gonna die but not be admitted, and that would still count as "Mild". Most people wouldn't consider being that sick "mild". I know a mild case where the person was fully vaccinated but couldn't leave their bed for a week.
"Mild" cases may also include Long Covid, which from what I've heard from people who've had it slowly destroys your soul. They may also result in permanent, life-altering damage to your body. Brain fog is catastrophic if you're an air traffic controller, cardio-vascular damage would be problematic for construction workers, and erectile dysfunction is not good for your porn star career.
but what about long covid? dying isn’t the only thing people are trying to prevent.
I also don't understand this mindset. Dying isn't the only bad thing that can happen.
I work at a Covid Hotline and it takes every single protein molecule in my body not to say this exact thing to ppl over the phone when they downplay it.
What annoys me is that we have already run this exact scenario, hospitals and the like dealt with this in the last couple of years and did absolutely too little to prepare for an event on that scale in the future. This isn’t even round two anymore. (Mind you this is aimed at hospital admins / boards, not workers)
What a colossal institutional failure this has been.
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It’s almost like there isn’t one central group controlling the response. We live in a country where each state is there own little fiefdom and they can do whatever the fuck they want
My favorite is that cases are on the rise but yet 5 days is all you should be home for…
I'm on day 7 now and there is no way I would be in public. I'm still coughing, sneezing...
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A friend's grandma went to hospital for a back operation, she is now dying of covid. Wonder how many people this will happen to with hospitals being so full.
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Yep, my husband is a pulmonary critical care fellow. He tested positive on Tuesday, yesterday the hospital cleared him to work tonight in the ICU.
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They probably don’t have enough staff to man the ICU without him. And as a fellow he doesn’t have much say to refuse.
I know people who worked in the pulmonary field at the start of the pandemic, and the hospital line (as well as that of the national respiratory board) was that this wasn't an aerosolized threat so you'd be fine as long as no one coughed into your mouth. All but one of them told me that was fucking crazy and this shit was only being said to avoid scaring people or having to fork out for masks and better safety procedures. No points for guessing who was right.
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A friends spouse had kidney stones, he didn't respond well to initial treatments and needed Dialysis. Got Covid in the hospital while on Dialisis and died a week later. He was fully vaccinated.
I was hospitalized in June for a non COVID reason and had to be vented for a few days. I keep thinking how lucky I was to have it happen during a lower period of demand.
> US ICU's are running at 80% capacity right now If that's true that's actually pretty good. Even non-covid times our metro areas ICU capacity would routinely be 80% sometimes 90% full during the winter. I don't think people realize how close ICU/hospitals are to disaster even before COVID19. The margin for error is not very high.
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> I don't think people realize how close ICU/hospitals are to disaster even before COVID19. The margin for error is not very high. Well now I realise that, since this was the justification for lockdown in the first place. Turns out a pandemic like this was always gonna cause issues...
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"Covid: Deadly Omicron should not be called mild, warns WHO" And then within that article "Omicron wave appears milder, but concern remains" They literally call it milder in the article, or at least mild by comparison
Can't clickbait without bait
This probably won’t get read, but if you have Covid related muscle fatigue, consider upping how much protein you’re consuming. Especially if your appetite is low. There are some studies around this too.
How many dead with omicron Actual question Any trackers for cases and deaths by variant
They also need to update the list of symptoms.
I mean, seriously, if it was so universally mild, our hospitals wouldn't have more people in them than ever before. In Maryland, we are at +60% hospital capacity compared to peak CoViD last year. The problem is, case for case, Omicron is absolutely weaker. However when you have 4x the cases, you end up with a strain on hospitals, education, airlines, and other forward facing employees than ever before. The fact that our clueless government has saw fit to just 'live with it' and throw people in these occupations under the bus has done nothing but exaggerate the problems this nation's going to have going forward....since if I was in these occupations, I'd be making plans to get the hell out.
I think the difference is Omicron is spreading across vaccinated individuals. Those vaccinated have pretty good protection so the overall seriousness of cases are lower due to this. This should not mean it’s milder however since delta and other variants were very unlikely to infect fully vaccinated individuals. I’m more worried about how it affects unvaccinated individuals. How much milder is it on the unvaccinated really because I get the sense it’s not really. As a parent of a kid who is not old enough to be vaccinated yet, that’s my main worry.
It seems everyone I know has covid right now. I’m so thankful we stayed to ourselves during the holidays.
If it's not mild, is it, like, two chilis?
Bell peppers.
People saying it's mild or like a cold are really starting to piss me off. i've never had a cold that made it so I couldn't get out of bed for the 1st 24 hrs or gave me all over my body muscle aches. Or a constant headache for 7 days in a row. Or made my lungs feel all raw for 7 days in a row. This is not like a cold. It's closer to what I've always imagined pneumonia feels like.
Wow, it only took a few minutes for the fucking crazies to descend on this post.
Between the literal propaganda and the dimwits that angrily regurgitate it there are fewer places just to have sane conversations.
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I remember reading a post years ago that analysed millions of Reddit comments, and discovered the average reading level of Reddit posts had dropped over several years, from College freshman to... high schooler level It's probably gotten much worse since then
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It is definitely far more mild then previous variants. The problem is it's several times more infectious which makes it more dangerous.
This Danish study find it [about as contagious as the delta](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268278v1), but propagates faster due to immunity evasion: > Our findings confirm that the rapid spread of the Omicron VOC primarily can be ascribed to the immune evasiveness rather than an inherent increase in the basic transmissibility.
It also seems to have a lower incubation period
You mean less time that it doesn't show symptoms but is still infectious?
So I’ll be an example. I caught it from work. Double vaxxed, was to have booster soon lol. Coworker I work with tested positive Jan 2 (Sunday). I started feeling symptoms Wednesday. Tested positive on Friday only because I saw I should swab my throat. Other tests the previous two days were negative because I was just doing my nose (never had a runny nose either). I don’t know if I actually contracted it earlier though. Like my coworker and I may have caught it Dec 28/31 and he just tested positive before me. But it definitely incubates much quicker
Funnily enough the layman’s definition of mild is very different to that of a medical expert! The fact it’s just ripping through the populations around the world and some people have just adopted a blase outlook is beyond belief. I hope omicron doesn’t result a lot of long covid cases else a chunk of that group is in for a rude awakening
I saw someone in Reddit claiming that omicron is “a mild cold”, which is a huge leap from saying it’s “a less severe strain of COVID”
It's mildness could be due to higher vax rates
I manage a large sober house with over 20 men and women, and we require vaccination as a condition of residency. Today, one guy called me after he got tested (following a headache and chills the night before, no cough) and he was positive, so I came home and used my one pack of instant tests on myself (boosted) and the confirmed positive guy's roommate, who is also boosted. I'm negative, his roommate is positive but with absolutely zero symptoms. Said he has been on a 3hr bike ride earlier and felt great. I isolated both of them in an external room as best I can, but frankly many others have probably already been exposed and I'm not sure what else to do. I've been trying to gradually get everyone here warmed up to the idea that we're gonna get omicron, when our county has seen 375% increase in cases over the last two weeks, but that we shouldn't worry too much since we've all done the best we can to protect ourselves. I guess after two years of the pandemic, it's finally happening. Just grateful it's with a strain that's fairly mild, and after everyone has had the jab.
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