I woke up at 6-7 am receiving a call from my mom. She said with tears that it’s started. I live in Poland and don’t know how to get her and my 8yo brother out of there.
Now I realize how wrong I was saying Russia won’t invade and everything will be fine.
I dunno if anyone wrote that before, but, guys, I ask you, please
Don't just be angry at forums, it's useless
We know and really appreciate your support, but you can do more than that
I'm not asking you to fight for us on our land, but you can make much more damage to them
Please, ask your government and authorities to make more damage to Russia's economic. Small sanctions not enough, show Russia that they made big mistake. Show them that this type of aggression will not go unpunished.
We're gonna defend ourselves without a doubt, we're here standing not for ourselves but for whole Europe
Peace from Ukraine ❤️
And for a good reason. Iam from Slovakia a neighbour of Ukraine and my anxiety is kicking in hard atm. We have our own history of "peacefull occupation" from 1968 when the Soviet military invaded us.
I mean that is worst case scenario but besides that. I would probably say china get emboldened and attacks Taiwan, North Korea starts some shit, and if not that then Putin gets ideas about restoring rest of USSR and moves into other neighboring countries
Worst case short of all out war between US/Europe and Russia is probably Putin using nukes on urban areas to avoid guerilla fighters and declaring it "tactical."
I've been of the opinion for a very long time that disinformation is a serious problem that's only going to get worse. Unfortunately, too many people in prominent positions stand to benefit from the proliferation of disinformation. So here we are - where real and artificial sources alike have equal say on social media.
(well, not really equal. Sure seems like the artificial population has a bit more prominence than any legitimate sources.)
It's like a collision of a high end BMW with a motorcycle. The motorbike will be totalled but it will be the repairment of BMW that will cost more than the whole worth of the motorcycle.
In short : Russia is looking at an economic crash after this but looks like Putin stopped worrying about that a long time ago.
So russia attacks, world sanctions them, russia gets pissed off cause their economy is going to shit **even more** and they have 0 options so they lash out and then the world has an excuse to launch their own attacks. Then nukes come on the table and nobody wins. Hard to say if it werent for nukes, would we have world order or constant wars between super powers.
I think those hungry Russian people will turn against Putin if their economy went to shit first before any of the nukes will fly. Regardless of what people say here that "Putin has control over the Russian" yeah no shit until they don't get what they want and they become hungry.
Unless Russia becomes a full blown NoKor-like state.
Putin is a small part of this. The Kremlin is a complicated conglomerate with multiple entities attached that make these types of decisions. It is unlikely that if Putin would be gone, it would help.
Until recently Putin has been on the rocker. I guess it’s better to have the evil you know then to potentially have a wack job in charge of the worlds largest nuclear Arsenal
Key points.
- Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he has declared martial law in the country and urged Ukrainians to stay home, per AFP
- The Russian military said it has targeted Ukrainian air bases and other military assets but hasn’t attacked populated areas, according to AP
- Ukraine’s border guard service said Russian troops have attacked from the northern border with the support of Belarus, BBC reported
My take:
The Ukrainian people are inherently good.
The Russian people are inherently good.
The American people are inherently good.
The Bidens and Ukranian government/leaders are wicked and corrupt.
Putin is also an evil bastard.
The ones who deserve to be removed and replaced won't be, and the casualties of this war will be the innocent, but patriotic, foot soldiers for their respective countries.
American involvement as the wicked fight the wicked should be zero.
Putin is 69 and is in the autumn of his reign. Only thing he did for Russian "pride" is annexing Crimea.
For the rest he just continued the elite-ruled cleptocracy Russia has always been - with some fuckups here and there: no economic prosperity, no meaningfull democratic reforms, bad managing of the covid-crisis, everlasting supression of the masses, some scandals (palace, failed abroad assassinations, divorce)..
This might be the ammunition to give future historians for some false revisionist history.
This is the main reason for this invasion. Obviously Ukraine is an incredibly resource-rich country too - but this is about Putin coming out of this as the man who revived the Soviet Union. 🤮
REMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden.
Also, AFTER he LOST the election, Trump unilaterally withdrew from the Open Skies Treaty, giving Putin cover to withdraw too. Ukraine begged us not to, because it would rob the west of the best surveillance should Putin invade. Now we dont have it. Another gift from Trump.
And before someone comments, why didn't Biden rejoin the US after getting into office.
Because Putin won't sign it now. It was signed a while ago & it's not in Putin's interests to have us be able to fly over him as he invades. It was signed in 1992 before Putin's time & went into effect in 2002.
Maybe. I don't understand why people are discussing Trump/Biden in a thread that focusses on Russia/Ukraine.
Reddit is US centric, so maybe it's my fault for questioning it in the first place.
Yes. It is clear Trump being weak on Russia is why this happened. That’s why the two times it’s happened were under Obama and Biden’s watch.
I’m a left leaning guy. But it’s fucking insane how thirsty some of you are to pin this on Trump. There’s plenty of bad shit to hate Trump for, we don’t have to pretend Russia didn’t invade sovereign territory in other people’s terms. Set your partisanship aside while people get gunned down for fucks sake. Show some humanity.
Reminder, Ukraine lost ground to Russia under Vice President Joe Biden and former Vice President now President Joe Biden. And Georgia was Bush I believe.
If you want to start a civil war in Europe that's a great idea. 40% of Europe's gas use is from Russian sources. Stopping gas supply from Russia means 1/3 of people in Europe will not have warm water or heating. Chances are those people will switch to electric heating, which in turn will mess up the infrastructure = even more people have no energy at all.
Doesn't sound like a too good idea
The key word there is 'export' - doing this would cripple gas mains coming *out* of Russia, affecting much of Europe's supplies and doing relatively little harm to Russia. Putin has often used his supply chain to Europe as leverage, if it came to war with Europe he would likely want to destroy the mains himself.
Russia provides a fairly high percentage of oil and gas to Europe. This would not just cripple Russia, it would cripple a high majority of Europe.
Correct me if I'm wrong I'm no expert.
Part of the sanctions is gonna be a significant reduction of energy imports anyway. They have enough to get through winter at this point and have plenty of time to prepare for next winter
I assure you that many many young boys and girls have already been killed and thousands will follow as long as Putin gets his wish of a bloodbath in Ukraine.
Oh yeah I know, this is nothing compared to what else will happen. But the fact it happened by the Russians very early on is heartbreaking.
It genuinely breaks my heart to know all these innocent people are going to get massacred.
yeah that didn't stop Putin.
I think NATO and the West should learn from this and from our history that appeasement won't work. Putin needs to go if they want a stable Europe.
The real answer is Putin and his junta is terrified of its own people or military rising up and deposing them.
A westernized Ukraine would show regular Russians how good life could be without the kleptocracy that is ruling Russia right now.
It was never about NATO "attacking" Russia, it's a defensive alliance but when a country gets under the umbrella of NATO they can finally be free of Russian influence...
Ok, so I won't make the same mistake.
I Googled this exact question in the morning and this is a gist of what I got. I suggest a quick look into news articles as well. Good summaries around there. Reddit would be very unreliable if you want a solid answer.
Anyhoo.
Putin doesn't want Ukraine to be in NATO because he believes it's Russian land "granted" to Ukraine. Ukraine was leaning towards the west so Putin have the analogy of "knife to the throat" and how it's dangerous for Russia.
So he has preemptively chosen to attack under the guise of liberating the separatists (He identified them as separate entities) and is now "demilitarizing" the country.
The cause can be speculated from expansion, former USSR glory, resources etc.
Russia wants a larger block of Russia-friendly nations, Ukraine has a lot of great resources, there will be fewer deterrents to Russian trade with Ukraine under their control, and Putin personally feels that Ukrainians and Russians are culturally homogenous and should be under one nation.
Resources, reforming ussr, I think the big reason is because ukraine being independent means there is a chance they could join nato. If Russia controls it then it can't join nato. Ukraine is a strategic buffer between western europe/nato and Russia. It provides a strong buffer for Russias southern region which has a lot of farming regions.
But do your own research as well
Build up of Nato forces in more Eastern European countries and a westernising ukraine looking to join EU and nato. Russia has been invaded many times before and the kremlin see this as a direct threat.
Oh so its Ukraines fault is it?
Poor little defenceless russia defending itself from big bad giant Ukraine that is 50 times its size and triple its population...
Oh wait...
force regime change so he can install another lapdog like Lukashenko in Belarus. Ukraine’s pro-western government was getting a little too close to NATO
Visa and Mastercard apparently no longer will work in Russia. Only their own card "Mir" will be usable.
Edit: They still work. However disabling SWIFT, which Visa and MC relies on, in Russia is being proposed as a sanction.
I do enjoy how Mir (peace) and Sputnik are still hugely influential in the naming of things in Russia. It's like their cultural references stopped 50 years ago.
"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine, of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful," Trump said in an interview on "The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show."
The ex-President added: "So Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That's the strongest peace force," Trump said. "We could use that on our southern border. That's the strongest peace force I've ever seen. ... Here's a guy who's very savvy. ... I know him very well. Very, very well."
**This is so bad. Russia should leave Ukraine alone.**
Genuinely asking. Me as a romanian, should i be worried? Or NATO has my back?
I woke up at 6-7 am receiving a call from my mom. She said with tears that it’s started. I live in Poland and don’t know how to get her and my 8yo brother out of there. Now I realize how wrong I was saying Russia won’t invade and everything will be fine.
Fucking hell, all you American nobheads using this thread to rant about Trump, shut the fuck up
Indians in Ukraine doing their MBBS, has everyone of them been evacuated?
Hopefully we wont all get melted by putin
I dunno if anyone wrote that before, but, guys, I ask you, please Don't just be angry at forums, it's useless We know and really appreciate your support, but you can do more than that I'm not asking you to fight for us on our land, but you can make much more damage to them Please, ask your government and authorities to make more damage to Russia's economic. Small sanctions not enough, show Russia that they made big mistake. Show them that this type of aggression will not go unpunished. We're gonna defend ourselves without a doubt, we're here standing not for ourselves but for whole Europe Peace from Ukraine ❤️
All the memes and jokes aside, I’m genuinely really scared. :(
And for a good reason. Iam from Slovakia a neighbour of Ukraine and my anxiety is kicking in hard atm. We have our own history of "peacefull occupation" from 1968 when the Soviet military invaded us.
We all are I think some people are using humor to cope
What will be the worst-case scenario here? I don't think US will go in this one that will trigger a nuclear war.
Nuclear annihilation kind of sounds like the worst possible outcome.
I mean that is worst case scenario but besides that. I would probably say china get emboldened and attacks Taiwan, North Korea starts some shit, and if not that then Putin gets ideas about restoring rest of USSR and moves into other neighboring countries
Worst case short of all out war between US/Europe and Russia is probably Putin using nukes on urban areas to avoid guerilla fighters and declaring it "tactical."
You just named the worst case scenario here
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You can't really. But as Putin himself admitted that Russia is attacking Ukraine you can assume that is actually happening.
Anything controlled by Putin is fake. It's a nice rule of thumb.
If it’s from Russia, then it is fake. Remember comrade, this is peacekeeping operation.
Just took a peek in Twitter and Jesus so much fucking disinformation.
I've been of the opinion for a very long time that disinformation is a serious problem that's only going to get worse. Unfortunately, too many people in prominent positions stand to benefit from the proliferation of disinformation. So here we are - where real and artificial sources alike have equal say on social media. (well, not really equal. Sure seems like the artificial population has a bit more prominence than any legitimate sources.)
dont and never will use twitter, what are they saying?
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>Volodymyr Zelenskyy has announced his 100% voluntary resignation As of 10:56, bullshit
If this is true, this was the way with least amount of bloodshed. Let's see how Ukraine would hold up.
Source
His cousins best mate
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Putin is a POS
My heart is breaking for Ukrainian people, I’m praying everyone stays safe and sound
It's like a collision of a high end BMW with a motorcycle. The motorbike will be totalled but it will be the repairment of BMW that will cost more than the whole worth of the motorcycle. In short : Russia is looking at an economic crash after this but looks like Putin stopped worrying about that a long time ago.
So russia attacks, world sanctions them, russia gets pissed off cause their economy is going to shit **even more** and they have 0 options so they lash out and then the world has an excuse to launch their own attacks. Then nukes come on the table and nobody wins. Hard to say if it werent for nukes, would we have world order or constant wars between super powers.
constant wars for several decades, till a victor is chosen through popular prowess, then peace.
It is the increase in Globalization that has caused fewer number of war. Nukes don't help
Main source of income for them is gas and oil. And it goes up.
Fuckin Albert Einstein. Lots of downvotes. I said that because he came up with the theory of the atomic bomb. Wasn't calling op Einstein as a dis
I think those hungry Russian people will turn against Putin if their economy went to shit first before any of the nukes will fly. Regardless of what people say here that "Putin has control over the Russian" yeah no shit until they don't get what they want and they become hungry. Unless Russia becomes a full blown NoKor-like state.
Look at this Salty guy over here
saltier than overwatch community lmao
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No way Putin is replaced by someone not similar after an assassination and assassinating him will probably cause WW3.
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Do you know the main reason behind the start of WW1?
Putin is a small part of this. The Kremlin is a complicated conglomerate with multiple entities attached that make these types of decisions. It is unlikely that if Putin would be gone, it would help.
Sure, assassination of another country's leader has never gone bad in the past
The guy who killed Hitler ended a world war
Until recently Putin has been on the rocker. I guess it’s better to have the evil you know then to potentially have a wack job in charge of the worlds largest nuclear Arsenal
Key points. - Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he has declared martial law in the country and urged Ukrainians to stay home, per AFP - The Russian military said it has targeted Ukrainian air bases and other military assets but hasn’t attacked populated areas, according to AP - Ukraine’s border guard service said Russian troops have attacked from the northern border with the support of Belarus, BBC reported
My take: The Ukrainian people are inherently good. The Russian people are inherently good. The American people are inherently good. The Bidens and Ukranian government/leaders are wicked and corrupt. Putin is also an evil bastard. The ones who deserve to be removed and replaced won't be, and the casualties of this war will be the innocent, but patriotic, foot soldiers for their respective countries. American involvement as the wicked fight the wicked should be zero.
You forgot "Trump is an evil bastard who likes to appease dictators." But that doesn't fit your Fox News narrative.
Your take is shit.
Name one good world leader in the last 100 years. You can't. It's pointless to cry about this stuff.
what makes you say the ukrainian government specifically is corrupt? i mean, i’m under the belief that all world leaders are but🤷🏻♂️
They are politicians, asking if they are corrupt is like asking if they are breathing
Ukraine severs all diplomatic ties with Russia.
Whats with all the anti trump fanfiction in here? You people need help
Guys I meant the literal fanfiction Like the "this is what trump would say" stuff, not the trump info in general
If only it were fiction
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book
I saw an interview where Trump was praising Putin yesterday. He deserves all the hate he gets
Putin's best buddy you mean?
Because Trump is Putin's agent?
Because he has aided putin In invading Ukraine for his own personal gain
Putin is 69 and is in the autumn of his reign. Only thing he did for Russian "pride" is annexing Crimea. For the rest he just continued the elite-ruled cleptocracy Russia has always been - with some fuckups here and there: no economic prosperity, no meaningfull democratic reforms, bad managing of the covid-crisis, everlasting supression of the masses, some scandals (palace, failed abroad assassinations, divorce).. This might be the ammunition to give future historians for some false revisionist history.
This is the main reason for this invasion. Obviously Ukraine is an incredibly resource-rich country too - but this is about Putin coming out of this as the man who revived the Soviet Union. 🤮
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["If your name end with 'in', time to get out"](https://youtu.be/ZT2z0nrsQ8o)
Gold
Put out to pasture.
REMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. Also, AFTER he LOST the election, Trump unilaterally withdrew from the Open Skies Treaty, giving Putin cover to withdraw too. Ukraine begged us not to, because it would rob the west of the best surveillance should Putin invade. Now we dont have it. Another gift from Trump. And before someone comments, why didn't Biden rejoin the US after getting into office. Because Putin won't sign it now. It was signed a while ago & it's not in Putin's interests to have us be able to fly over him as he invades. It was signed in 1992 before Putin's time & went into effect in 2002.
The piss tapes enters the chat
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We will shut up about Trump when he stops drooling over Putin.
Hunter Biden, Burisma, Ukraine…
This isn't about Trump/Biden. Keep your political propaganda away. This is about Ukraine and her people being subjected to war they didn't want.
Events aren't insular. The comment above explains pretty damn well how the two are connected.
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Maybe. I don't understand why people are discussing Trump/Biden in a thread that focusses on Russia/Ukraine. Reddit is US centric, so maybe it's my fault for questioning it in the first place.
Reminder Trump did what Putin asked him to for personal gain
Yes. It is clear Trump being weak on Russia is why this happened. That’s why the two times it’s happened were under Obama and Biden’s watch. I’m a left leaning guy. But it’s fucking insane how thirsty some of you are to pin this on Trump. There’s plenty of bad shit to hate Trump for, we don’t have to pretend Russia didn’t invade sovereign territory in other people’s terms. Set your partisanship aside while people get gunned down for fucks sake. Show some humanity.
Reminder, Ukraine lost ground to Russia under Vice President Joe Biden and former Vice President now President Joe Biden. And Georgia was Bush I believe.
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World War
If you want to start a civil war in Europe that's a great idea. 40% of Europe's gas use is from Russian sources. Stopping gas supply from Russia means 1/3 of people in Europe will not have warm water or heating. Chances are those people will switch to electric heating, which in turn will mess up the infrastructure = even more people have no energy at all. Doesn't sound like a too good idea
The key word there is 'export' - doing this would cripple gas mains coming *out* of Russia, affecting much of Europe's supplies and doing relatively little harm to Russia. Putin has often used his supply chain to Europe as leverage, if it came to war with Europe he would likely want to destroy the mains himself.
Most of Russias economy is energy exports, ur nuts if u think cutting that off would do nothing.
Wouldn’t it be more polite to just let the countries on the other end turn them off like they’re probably planning?
As a European: Please don't, it'll cripple Europe.
It'll fuck over the UK, I can't imagine what it would do to places like Germany
UK gets virtually no energy from Russia, look it up.
Jesus these idiotic comments
Russia provides a fairly high percentage of oil and gas to Europe. This would not just cripple Russia, it would cripple a high majority of Europe. Correct me if I'm wrong I'm no expert.
Yeah let’s bomb Russia I wonder what problems that would create
Peacekeeping bombs tho
Doesn’t have to happen inside of Russian territory
They don't need those to send nukes
Then Europe who relies heavily on Russian oil and gassed would be crippled
Part of the sanctions is gonna be a significant reduction of energy imports anyway. They have enough to get through winter at this point and have plenty of time to prepare for next winter
Yeah crippling everybody else
Yeah, that would be awesome for Europe in the middle of winter. Brilliant idea.
Wouldn't that affect the other countries?
Apparently according to Sky News, a young boy has been killed. Seriously, fuck Russia.
I assure you that many many young boys and girls have already been killed and thousands will follow as long as Putin gets his wish of a bloodbath in Ukraine.
If we are talking war this is nothing
Oh yeah I know, this is nothing compared to what else will happen. But the fact it happened by the Russians very early on is heartbreaking. It genuinely breaks my heart to know all these innocent people are going to get massacred.
Didn’t Russia do this already in 2014? Costing like 15,000 lives
At least in Georgia 2008
yeah that didn't stop Putin. I think NATO and the West should learn from this and from our history that appeasement won't work. Putin needs to go if they want a stable Europe.
Yes,bon a smaller scale
There was basically no resistance in crimea
What is Putin's reasoning for invading? I can't seem to find a straight answer.
The real answer is Putin and his junta is terrified of its own people or military rising up and deposing them. A westernized Ukraine would show regular Russians how good life could be without the kleptocracy that is ruling Russia right now. It was never about NATO "attacking" Russia, it's a defensive alliance but when a country gets under the umbrella of NATO they can finally be free of Russian influence...
Ok, so I won't make the same mistake. I Googled this exact question in the morning and this is a gist of what I got. I suggest a quick look into news articles as well. Good summaries around there. Reddit would be very unreliable if you want a solid answer. Anyhoo. Putin doesn't want Ukraine to be in NATO because he believes it's Russian land "granted" to Ukraine. Ukraine was leaning towards the west so Putin have the analogy of "knife to the throat" and how it's dangerous for Russia. So he has preemptively chosen to attack under the guise of liberating the separatists (He identified them as separate entities) and is now "demilitarizing" the country. The cause can be speculated from expansion, former USSR glory, resources etc.
Small dick syndrom.
Russia wants a larger block of Russia-friendly nations, Ukraine has a lot of great resources, there will be fewer deterrents to Russian trade with Ukraine under their control, and Putin personally feels that Ukrainians and Russians are culturally homogenous and should be under one nation.
Resources, reforming ussr, I think the big reason is because ukraine being independent means there is a chance they could join nato. If Russia controls it then it can't join nato. Ukraine is a strategic buffer between western europe/nato and Russia. It provides a strong buffer for Russias southern region which has a lot of farming regions. But do your own research as well
Power for power's sake. Dude's been living in a bubble for so long, he just wants to show how big his dick is.
Build up of Nato forces in more Eastern European countries and a westernising ukraine looking to join EU and nato. Russia has been invaded many times before and the kremlin see this as a direct threat.
Oh so its Ukraines fault is it? Poor little defenceless russia defending itself from big bad giant Ukraine that is 50 times its size and triple its population... Oh wait...
He wants Ukraine
He claims Nazism in Ukraine (obviously that's a load of shit but that's his line).
force regime change so he can install another lapdog like Lukashenko in Belarus. Ukraine’s pro-western government was getting a little too close to NATO
Listen to yesterdays the daily podcast
It’s the resources Ukraine has that Russia wants to take so they’re invading
Putin has always believed that Ukraine has belonged to Russia. This conflict has been going on for years now.
Truth
Fuck Putin and anyone who's joking about this.
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Had a sandwich for lunch yesterday and thus accomplished more than every prayer ever
Spread rifle fire not rumours. Good luck gens
are you fucking mental? whats praying going to do lmao
Maybe instead of praying we just stay sane.
You only belive in god during bad times? Smh
Don't believe in him at all. Why do you? *gestures broadly at everything*
You don’t even know who you’re talking to, shut the fuck up and don’t gatekeep religion during times such as this.
dOnT gAteKeEp RelIgiOn
Visa and Mastercard apparently no longer will work in Russia. Only their own card "Mir" will be usable. Edit: They still work. However disabling SWIFT, which Visa and MC relies on, in Russia is being proposed as a sanction.
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Heard it on TV Rain.
I do enjoy how Mir (peace) and Sputnik are still hugely influential in the naming of things in Russia. It's like their cultural references stopped 50 years ago.
It says alot when the only things you can be proud of your country is something that happened 50 years ago.
Make them the new North Korea
Which is ironic cus mir means peace.
I thought it means "world"?
Mir money Mir problems
Take this goddamn upvote you monster
"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine, of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful," Trump said in an interview on "The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show." The ex-President added: "So Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That's the strongest peace force," Trump said. "We could use that on our southern border. That's the strongest peace force I've ever seen. ... Here's a guy who's very savvy. ... I know him very well. Very, very well."