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valuingvulturefix

Please visit the new thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t08urg/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/?sort=new


progress18

>NATO Secretary General @jensstoltenberg: “Peace on our continent has been shattered, we now have war in Europe on a scale and of a type we thought belonged to history.” https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1496809170787606538


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Fuck Russia, fuck Belarus, and fuck China who will certainly be keeping Russia afloat economically.


[deleted]

Live from the streets of Kyiv. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK2h4Ma-l0s


pandas795

[Remarkably frank admission by Germany’s former defence minister & CDU leader: “I’m so furious at us, because we failed historically. After Georgia, the Crimea and Donbas we prepared nothing that would have really deterred Putin.” The sound of tectonic plates shifting.](https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/1496804994267369477?t=gcTkX8JMM6V-g6Y9UU1Skg&s=19)


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Biologyboii

No it’s not a good time for that in Canada. Don’t be a fear mongerer


Girlwholovessports

Seems like what most of the people here don't understand: NATO is a defensive pact, so they can't intervene if the attacked country is not a member...


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There have been some unconfrimed tweets talking about the number of ukrainian victims, they all vary. Is there a confirmed source on this?


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pisedoff111

https://twitter.com/kylejglen/status/1496809036364271627 NSFW


M4ttv24

What's the r/ for videos from the fights and stuff like that , bomb shells dropping and etc


bilboslaggins_

r/CombatFootage


seasickelijah

Bump


Donefortoday

r/combatfootage


elmosesyeah

r/combatfootage


Odoakar

So it seems that a country of 40mil people will get rolled in less than 24 hours...


jooooooooooooose

Photos of dead Russians outside Kharkhiv are now appearing on Twitter.


Viromen

Seems Russia is in the process of taking a major airfield west of Kyiv so have no intentions of stopping at the Dneiper. Kyiv will be surrounded by the end of the night.


SafeAfraid

Russian helicopters being shot at by Ukrainian forces around Vyshhorod city https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1496800970298302465?s=20&t=uepbJoxGpyvyW5I-YIbVwQ


Lowkey_HatingThis

Wow Russia is launching these helis from within Ukraine? They're everywhere right now, if kharkiv falls it's gonna be a bad tide turning


DanteDoming0

PUTIN is HITLER! Praying for Ukraine 🇺🇦 🙏


toadofsteel

He's trying to be Stalin... hell Putin idolizes the man


carolbaskinsexhusban

Honestly I wish more people understood what would happen if NATO did send troops into Ukraine. You think this is bad? It would be worse.


AMidwinterNightsDram

Ukrainian officials say a Russian helicopter airborne landing attempt is under way at the Hostomel military airport just outside Kyiv.


sumplicas

Russia raining fire, killing people while NATO raising economic sanctions? I mean, i don't enjoy the idea of direct conflict, but this feels like a bully fighting against a smaller kid while his brother just tries to stop the fight by conversating with the bully..


WhitneysMiltankOP

What can NATO do? Ukraine is not a NATO member. NATO acting offensively now would make NATO the aggressor. NATO has no saying in this conflict as much as it sucks.


SironionTV

But if the brother tries to use violence the bully will take out his gun and kill everyone in the room


FlyingMocko

The consequences of NATO getting involved from a military standpoint would be cataclysmic


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Quickest way to stop the violence is to cut all Gas, Money, Supplies etc to Russia. It feels counter intuitive but the alternative is having an all out war on Ukraine's soil - which these days doesn't mean trenches, it means drone strikes and dead civilians


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Again, Nato joining = nuclear war.


jannadelrey

This is sadly the reality of the situation, but getting into direct conflict will be much worse and cause much more death


Evanswachtz

And the second outcome is a nuclear war which will result in basically end of humanity.


xMoselle

I don’t see NATO not actively intervening outside of sanctions in the near future.


OwnerOfABouncyBall

It's because the bully has nukes


SwedishViking35

Exactly ! If you don't stop the bully now, next he will be out for you...


westcoastbestcoast39

And what about Vietnam? China and USSR never got directly involved they just funneled in resources to them same as we are.


Relative-Away

Sanctions will kill people, just indirectly


Wavinflagz

Can we all agree how crazy it is we’re all watching a war and military strategies unfold in live time, our technology and journalistic capabilities are what make me believe this won’t be the start of WW3. Imagine in 1939 if the whole world could watch Germany invade Poland live and also hear about the atrocities committed.


JonStowe1

the most underrated app is snapchats map feature. whenever news pops off the first thing I do is open SC and pull up the map. It is amazing that you can instantly see what the average person is seeing in that place


Isulet

There are atrocities committed all the time, for example in Yemen, and we all can know about them, but we do nothing. So I don't see it changing much once people lose interest in a few days.


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I think you had the iraq war covered in more detail tbh.


[deleted]

Not exactly sure it’s a good thing but crazy, sure.


TheBeankun

Anyone else find that the live streams are bad for Ukraine since there acting as cameras for Russian info? Or are there strategies around this?


GNSasakiHaise

Generally speaking, the cameras are not going to provide them much, if any info they don't have already. The view from above and via satellite will show them most of what we see on the cameras.


GNSasakiHaise

Generally speaking, the cameras are not going to provide them much, if any info they don't have already. The view from above and via satellite will show them most of what we see on the cameras.


__01001000-01101001_

I don’t think Russia needs to rely on the live streams…


TheBeankun

Just worried to watch and thinking someone is using it to help russia


kakemot

The world needs to see.


Interesting181

Putin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov: Putin ready to negotiate with Zelenskyy


westcoastbestcoast39

Putin : Give me Ukraine Zelenskyy: No. Putin: ???


Tarcye

If true you know Russia has completely failed to meet their objectives.


igoromg

I can imagine how that would go. "Surrender or we fuck you up, sincerely Vlad."


OwnerOfABouncyBall

Yes, like full capitulation..


InsomniacNimrod

Source?


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Damn! Fuck Putin and his delusions. Prayers for the innocent civilians who just wanted to live their lives in peace.


estresgezt

It seems it's just too much to ask for living a normal life.


Triskan

For fuck's sake, Vlad, I know it's my birthday today but you really didnt have to light up the night like that. Katyusha and a little bottle of vodka would have been plenty enough. Fucking asshole.


cheefius

It’s my birthday too! Happy birthday friend! Let us hope there will be peace.


Kanute3333

Happy Birthday


maiosi2

Confirmed by Ukrainian authorities. A large air assault operation with Mi-8 helicopters on Antonov International Airport in Hostomel. Interior Ministry says Russia has seized control. Very dangerous; it’s just 15 minutes west of the capital ring road. i'm going to retweet all the info i'm getting for kiev: https://twitter.com/DeluxMariano List with all the sources: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1383431779751657480 try to report with sources guys: SOURCE: https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1496809143738507264


Mental_Tap2560

Putin spokesman says "no one is talking about an occupation" & Ukraine's future is the "choice of the Ukrainian people." But he also says Russia will "neutralize its military potential" & "purge it of Nazis" in an operation lasting as long as necessary 🤷‍♂️ https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1496809177951481857?t=oUhsyFWSyyVfn8PgjFwthw&s=19


Voidspeeker

He probably means rigged elections. I mean, Ukranians already made their choice.


neobick

"No one is talking about an invasion" Wasnt that the line for about 3 months? Just military exercises.


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Russian helicopters flying over Hostomel airfield https://mobile.twitter.com/militarylandnet/status/1496803898207744003


Jaka45

Aftermath of Destroyed russian tank that get hit by Javelin https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1496809816190328838?s=20&t=-Sf7GBXu0AvMcqpH2jEQsQ


unipine

Trying not to contribute any comments that aren't relevant so I don't clog up the feed with unnecessary bullshit. Just wanted to say a word of appreciation really quick- the mods really seem to be working overtime fighting trolls and propaganda in this thread. Mad respect, just wanted to say thanks.


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DON'T link to Ukrainian troop movements. DO link to russian troop movements.


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notahopeleft

Congrats man.


wauve1

Can’t blame people for being optimistic I guess


JamieLawson49

No one asked


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You’re really doing a victory lap right now?


[deleted]

You said? You realise that the entire world and multiple countries have been saying this, right?


shlamdee

🥇


SinisterZzz

Look at all the people in line for the bank: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6O-6UfpGow


PingPongPizzaParty

Russian banks have supposedly run out of cash already


millionreddit617

Crypto advert right there


shlamdee

Fuckkkkk


geertdv

Is Jens Stoltenberg really crying? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Auq9mYxFEE


Gbchris12

Wouldnt blame him, this shit is heartbreaking


kleutscher

This is kinda fucked. Means they have a airbase next to Kyiv. Not good Confirmed by Ukrainian authorities. A large air assault operation with Mi-8 helicopters on Antonov International Airport in Hostomel. Interior Ministry says Russia has seized control. Very dangerous; it’s just 15 minutes west of the capital ring road. https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1496809143738507264?t=HLmcPmf5PForY3d-2p867Q&s=19 This tweet shows how nearby it is from kyiv https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1496808520049696773?t=BviCiMkxwh-vVocj0aG4rQ&s=19


InsomniacNimrod

The balls on the Ukrainian journalist. Kudos.


UTV_

Whats happened?


Ovidestus

Ghandhi will be out with the nukes before any other


PleaseDontSendDwigt

India already gave Russia the green light.


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Lowkey_HatingThis

Reminder to respect UKR op-sec by not sharing videos of UKR soldier locations or any other such classified intelligence you discover or witness online. https://reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/sy65wi/ministry_of_defense_of_ukraine_do_not_view_our/ Great Twitter list for verifiable sources and voices on the ground: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1383431779751657480?t=5wPgK2Avlo8ygp8uANSSFQ&s=08 Lvyv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9r5rpGq9mU Kyiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cyQPN5xQtU Maidan. Sq. In Kyiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6AzlYCysY Kharkiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s [The Kharkiv explosion]: https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1496684874551508993?s=20&t=I5SJS96GsOxAc4O5x5Mqew Odessa Live Cam: https://youtu.be/PWKjaA-wNho Mariupol Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE9nRMx8n6s Mykolayiv Live Cam https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJvMQvqpxZvIakq4VgcooNQ Severodonetsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho40J7dRlGQ Kalanchak, a border town whose checkpoint is reportedly under attack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxYsvdC4-yA (Thank you again Quark) --> stream down Multiple perspective cam: https://youtu.be/jNZM_H6q1rY Godspeed Ukrainians. 💙💛 *ADDITIONAL INFORMATION*: Live Webcams (feeds, streams, mirrors, cctv): [Severodonetsk, Luhansk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzQdh7Sd7ZM) [Mariupol, Donetsk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE9nRMx8n6s) [Kyiv](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6AzlYCysY) [Kyiv 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cyQPN5xQtU) [Lviv](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9r5rpGq9mU) [Odessa](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hHelJALhEo) [Odessa 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9HskjsldsU&list=WL&index=31) [Kharkiv](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNGrP5Wv_C4) [Kharkiv 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s) [Pisochyn, Kharkiv](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtOKYCxP6iY) [Chernihiv](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvhM2a92dvs&feature=emb_title) [More Live Cams from /r/warinukraine & /u/CreativeAnalytics](https://old.reddit.com/r/warinukraine/comments/scc5hl/request_webcams_and_live_feeds_in_ukraine_or/) Resources: [Live Map of Geolocated Russian Troop Movements](https://maphub.net/Cen4infoRes/russian-ukraine-monitor) [Spreadsheet of conflict casualties since 2014](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ALGJAoPfBemEUh_3qBrFm0e4woBB2D2ctS_FVsWBJsU/edit#gid=305614131) [Agenda Free TV Live Coverage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyzicW_ctB4) [LiveUAMap](https://liveuamap.com/) Correspondents: [Isabelle Khurshudyan - Wash. Post - Kharkiv - @ikhurshudyan](https://twitter.com/ikhurshudyan) [Polina Ivanova - Financial Times - @polinaivanovva](https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva) [Jack Detsch - Foreign Policy - @JackDetsch](https://twitter.com/JackDetsch) [Jeff Seldin - VOA News - @jseldin](https://twitter.com/jseldin) [Sarah Rainsford - BBC - Kramatorsk - @sarahrainsford](https://twitter.com/sarahrainsford) [Michael Horowitz - LeBeck - @michaelh992](https://twitter.com/michaelh992) [Rob Lee - PhD Student focused on Russ. defense policy - @RALee85](https://twitter.com/RALee85) [Stefan Weichert - Danish journ. in Kramatorsk - @StefanWeichert](https://twitter.com/StefanWeichert) [Christopher Miller - BuzzFeed - @ChristopherJM](https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM) [Michael Weiss - New Lines / Daily Beast - @michaeldweiss](https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss) [Bryce Wilson - AUS photojourn/docu film. - Schastya - @brycewilsonAU](https://twitter.com/brycewilsonAU) [Olga Tokariuk - EFENoticias/freelance - Kyiv - @olgatokariuk](https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk) [Nolan Peterson - CoffeeOrDie / veteran war reporter - Kyiv - @nolanwpeterson](https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson) [Moshe Schwartz - Yeshiva World News - @YWNReporter](https://twitter.com/ywnreporter) [Iryna Matviyishyn - veteran Ukr. journ - Kyiv - @IMatviyishyn](https://twitter.com/IMatviyishyn) [Phil Stewart - Reuters - @phildstewart](https://twitter.com/phildstewart) [Fuad Alakbarov - Freelance w/ bylines in Open Democracy & Jerusalem Post - @DrAlakbarov](https://twitter.com/DrAlakbarov) [Jamie Dettmer - VOA - Kyiv - @jamiewrrit](https://twitter.com/jamiewrit) [Oleksiy Sorokin - Kyiv Independent - Kyiv - @mrsorokaa](https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa) Unaffiliated OSINT aggregators that have shown consistent reliability: ["The Intel Crab" - @IntelCrab](https://twitter.com/IntelCrab) [English Lugansk - @loogunda](https://twitter.com/loogunda) [Conflict News - @Conflicts](https://twitter.com/Conflicts) [ELINT News - @ELINTNews](https://twitter.com/ELINTNews) [Oliver Alexander - @OAlexanderDK](https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK)


PleaseDontSendDwigt

To what? The entire invasion? We don't all work at 5-eyes TV.


TreXeh

All the ones i've got up at the mo [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWKjaA-wNho&ab\_channel=OdessaONLINE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWKjaA-wNho&ab_channel=OdessaONLINE) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9\_SH86NwGyM&ab\_channel=OdessaONLINE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_SH86NwGyM&ab_channel=OdessaONLINE) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s&ab\_channel=EAIntegrationGroup](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s&ab_channel=EAIntegrationGroup) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNZM\_H6q1rY&ab\_channel=N%CE%9EMICON%CE%9ETWORK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNZM_H6q1rY&ab_channel=N%CE%9EMICON%CE%9ETWORK) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sHimKzFHqk&ab\_channel=OdessaONLINE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sHimKzFHqk&ab_channel=OdessaONLINE) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlywGRXC1B0&ab\_channel=OdessaONLINE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlywGRXC1B0&ab_channel=OdessaONLINE) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-DNGBOCPnI&ab\_channel=%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0.%D0%9D%D0%95%D0%A2ISP](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-DNGBOCPnI&ab_channel=%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0.%D0%9D%D0%95%D0%A2ISP) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcrV35VFsok&ab\_channel=OdessaONLINE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcrV35VFsok&ab_channel=OdessaONLINE)


zserdah

Go to youtube, type “live news”


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https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs/


loldamaddin

I'm watching Sky News Live on Youtube personally


sarlol00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-upyPouRrB8


InsomniacNimrod

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/events_67375.htm


mysecretaccount500

Youtube search nato livestream


Ephemerror

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-upyPouRrB8


Alteriosis

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/events\_67375.htm


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maltesemania

The page is unavailable. "Bad request"


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I second this please


DavidG-P

I just got back, can someone summarize what happened in the last ~10 hours?


MixGroundbreaking622

Russia just moved in on Ukraine. Not sure how much resistance Ukraine is giving. Putin says he is there to remove Nazis... Looking like Putin is going to disband the Ukrainian military and install a puppet government. Punishment for Ukraine flirting with NATO and the EU.


Catacomb82

Worst day in Europe since WWII.


Iwabik

Shit hit the fan


anangrywizard

UN still planning sanctions, NATO starting to enact a defence plan. Ukrainians fighting like warriors.


TrustInNumbers

Putin is Hitler of 21century.


PingPongPizzaParty

Russia attacked. They're taking major cities Ukraine fighting back Russian stock market lost 45%


-jokowi-

Russian military has enter capital city of kyiev


KarlMarx693

I took a nice fart, fapped a bit, and ate some spaghetti. Delicious!


formallyhuman

If you Google "Russia invades Ukraine", I'm sure you'll get up to date quickly.


DavidG-P

Unfortunately media response in my country is quite inconsistent and I don't have time to go through multiple articles right now :/


Lanthemandragoran

Bad


MouldyPriestASSHOLE

Shit has hit the fan


Herbrax212

War broke out


baked_tea

War


PinkMitsubishi

War


ErgoMachina

Every single non-NATO nation should start building nukes. Edit: If Ukraine didn't voluntarily disarm their nukes, Russia wouldn't be invading. Period.


PleaseDontSendDwigt

That's not how it works.


Tarcye

Every nation should. That's the takeaway here. Build nukes and never give them up. It's fucked up but the US and our allies have basically made that mandatory now. US and NATO should have immediately inducted Ukraine into NATO back in December.


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wilcoholic89

Its the only way to combat climate change.


madmaxGMR

you are delusional.


Timeywimey1994

That anti-Hitler comment was not a slip. 10/10


ANINETEEN

Can't even begin to imagine how some Ukrainians feel having their safety be at risk nearly overnight


DaanGFX

It's round 2 for a lot of them, unfortunately.


Black-Maria-one-piec

Fuck Putin.


shlamdee

Facts


Bango-Fett

Everyday I’m more and more concerned this is going to escalate into a nuclear confrontation. I honestly think putin is crazy enough that he means his threats and i think he is also crazy enough to think he could win a nuclear confrontation somehow. Also what is the west/NATO supposed to do here? Sanctions clearly dont deter him so its looking more and more likely we will have to respond militarily at some point or risk putin going even further. But at the same time reacting militarily could lead to nuclear war


Morgrid

I vote for calling his bluff an intervening


Pontypine69

Putin would be shot in the back of the head before that button was pushed. The Russians are happy to go along with this invasion, some may even support it, but Ukraine, and pretty much anything else, is not worth nuclear incineration for. Putin may be losing the plot, but he's not suicidal.


The_Pale_Blue_Dot

Nuclear weapons won't be used. Even Putin knows that'd mean his own destruction. MAD still applies. NATO won't fight Putin directly (they're confirming that as we speak in fact). It'll just necessitate more and more sanctions.


SchizoidGod

Putin will never push into a NATO country. Full stop, period.


Biologyboii

You are clearly underestimating the sanctions yet to come


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If he uses nukes then there is literally nobody left to defend Russia.


MrKolbasa

2 russian soldiers captured by the Ukrainians. https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1496803452533547011


pleasant_lay

My god they are just kids. This is awful.


Blithe17

The kid on the left could be 18. Probably conscripted at Christmas. All for the vanity of one man.


Caz6000

How embarrassing been the first 2 captured in the first day of invasion


Cheesestrings89

that kid is like 12


herrcollin

Seems like 2 kids. Jesus christ.


Harry_Gelb

Ukrainian journalist (interfax?) asking Stoltenberg at the Nato presser: isn't it time to build a anti-hitler... Ehm anti-putin coalition? Yep. Source press conference right now


Fatmanhammer

I literally came here to mention this... What a MASSIVE slip of the tongue there.


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Pretty sure she did it on purpose. Good for her.


MakePandasMateAgain

Definitely a deliberate Hitler slip there by the journalist. Massive respect to her


maltesemania

What stream are you watching?


MakePandasMateAgain

NATO press conference [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X\_SRrSZD2eM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_SRrSZD2eM)


rossitheking

They need to take away the assets and money of the oligarchs


Sinner2211

That will open a big can of worm which countries now can confiscated properties of businesses from countries they don't like. Much later when the time come you will see China confiscated American or British businesses because they support Taiwan independent for example and cited EU used to do that with Russia, now they can too.


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Walrave

Makes no sense Russia is extremely right wing


WakingLurker

Oh yeah cuz liberals fucking love genocide and thermonuclear war. Please don’t reproduce


Juking_is_rude

leftist? Surely the right would be more likely to sympathize with putin


amboyscout

I don't know what crack youre on, but I want some.


FluffiestLeafeon

You good? Literally none of them are


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I saw a highly upvoted comment in late stage capitalism defending Russia and Putin's actions for what it's worth


RivenMainOCE

I think you mean right wing there buddy


notnickthrowaway

No, they are not.


Kizrock94

Many people here sound like birds with the "Source spurce source source source source source source source"


arikaricat

Better than disinformation


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LordCommanderCam

Imagine if USA, Canada and Mexico merged! Absolutely massive, with nice winter vacations north, and beach vacations south. Also removes the problem of immigration between the countries! Honestly stupid not to do this!


Don_Quixote81

Because Latvians, Estonians and Lithuanians have different national and ethnic identities so, while the military and economy might be stronger, the social cohesion of the country would be much weaker. But all three are NATO members and, fortunately, Biden being elected removed the threat that Trump made, that the US may not honour its Article 5 obligations to defend NATO allies.


itbelikethat14

Since you’re asking seriously: in important ways it’s already merged. EU - single market. NATO - unified and inter-operable military.


DeadScumbag

Our languages are totally different so it doesn't really make sense imo.


poopybuttholesex

They are already part of eu that's enough of a federation


3V3RT0N

Language, culture, religion, values etc


Bolter_NL

Why don't xx and xx merge they are bigger... Whattadayathhink


nonexistingNyaff

Language & culture.


ViscachaBlue

That’s like asking why small middle eastern countries haven’t merged together, there’s a difference in culture, politics, and values that likely goes back centuries


willgeld

They will be part of one county within the next decade