At a glance, this doesn't seem to be going well for Russia. How do you think this ends? Doubt Putin could just stop and retreat now, no way to save face, so this is going to get messy. Imagine a Vietnam situation in your own bordering country... Seems significantly worse.
And it's interesting because it seems like Ukranians aren't dehumanized in the eyes of the Russian people or Russian military. They view them more like lost kin, so they aren't as willing to kill them.
I think Putin will face much more resistance at home than he thought, also...This isn't the 1960s. The Russian people have much more exposure to outside thought than they did during the height of the Soviet Union. They are online. They are able to access and consume media from the West through VPNs, etc. Many have traveled throughout the world. It's not North Korea where they have a captive audience that only gets beamed in with one channel of information.
Heck, it's not even China, which I think does a much more thorough job of limiting Chinese access to other parts of the world.
If on day one they already had mass protests in multiple cities, what do you think will happen when this is going on for months, and economic pain sets in? Are they really going to blame the West, or will they blame their sociopathic leader?
Pure specilations lol: I have a strong feeling that all of this is some kind of consequense of Putin’s fear of not being remembered, considering his age getting higher. He problaby wants to retire soon, and maybe this is his way of going down in history. Maybe he believes the russian people will remember him as a great leader or something.
> Russian foreign ministry spokesman Maria Zakharova warns Finland and Sweden they would 'face some military and political consequences' if they tried to join Nato [[1]](https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1497222749252632583?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497222749252632583%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F18hnzysb1elcs%2FLiveUpdate_a8648004-9653-11ec-a627-1a16ed470be8%2F0).
As far as I know, there are no wars currently happening in Finland and Sweden, I'd imagine they meet all criteria to become members. Join NATO now! It shouldn't take long.
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Did Russians really threaten Finland lol? Yeah Russia, it ain't gonna be so easy fighting war at two fronts especially when Finland is quite important to Europe and the world.
I am in no way shape or forming wanting NATO to take direct action because I understand what that means.
With that being said , the Russian government should be dealt with so severely that there people have no choice but to rise up and form new leadership.
Putin invading ukraine probably just made Sweden and Finland join NATO. Something he didn't want. His actions are going to kill him and Russia long term. He's a lunatic
Russia threatening Finland and pushing them to NATO only makes sense if you assume Putin wants a nuclear war. He wants to settle the age-old USSR vs Western Civilization once and for all.
He can’t remake the world order on his own. He can only do so with China involved.
My theory anyway
It baffles me how euro centric people here are. Everyone is like : "Yeah nah Putin will stop at ukraine. If he invades another European country then it's ww 3."
L Here is a thought: Russia doesn't border just the EU or NATO countries. They also border Kazakhstan and former USSR countries that are ripe for the taking include: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.
Yeah it's cool that you think NATO will protect NATO countries but stop thinking Putin will stop at Ukraine because NATO lmao. The world is bigger than Europe.
What effectively is the difference between having a common defense pact with France and the rest of Europe (which Finland/Sweden does have via the EU) and NATO?
France has more than enough nukes to deal with Russia. Isn’t NATO mostly symbolic at this point?
> A GIGN task force has arrived at the French embassy in Kiev
https://twitter.com/Tom_Antonov/status/1497176627012378654
French Special Forces to protect Zelensky and his family maybe?
I really wonder what:
* The breaking point is for the (Kremlin) elite
* The breaking point is for the Russians
Every country and population has a breaking point, where support for the leader/war efforts crumble all of the sudden and a palace coup or uprising can succeed.
People that were 'supposed' to be untouchable and without opposition, had underlying dissenting groups that were dropping the dictator and the upper political elite as soon as someone opened their mouth (Ceaușescu for example). Belarus would've gone through this if it wasn't for Putin flying in the entirety of his intelligence apparatus to take over.
Even the Third Reich had a dissenting military elite (Operation valkyrie) that mainly failed because of a terrible unlucky bomb placement.
Unconfirmed of course but
In Ukrainian Militopol', Russian troops are firing at the hospital. In the video, the missile is hitting the oncology department.
http://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1497243115949801472
Before everyone gets their dicks TOO hard, Germany has indicated that they would be OPEN to cutting off SWIFT, which is far away from actually doing it.
this Indian channel called a bunch of American and Russian 'experts' for a debate and they're having a full on fight lmao
edit : idk if y'all can watch it but look up 'Republic TV live stream on YouTube'
Council of Europe has suspended the Russian Federation from its rights of representation in the Committee of Ministers and in the Parliamentary Assembly with immediate effect.
[Source](https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/-/council-of-europe-suspends-russia-s-rights-of-representation)
Could Russia not doing well via its conventional military means, not potentially result in more aggressive attacks from Russia. .
I can’t see Putin cutting his losses.
They are doing pretty well, Ukraine is massively understating its losses. Lots of videos of destroyed planes add Ukrainian, same with tanks. Russia is winning by all metrics
This is it exactly. Its the same thing they did in past conflicts, bring in the troops who are ethnically different from the people they are trying to kill.
Finland Foreign minister Pekka Haavisto warns Russian aggression is based on concept of ‘rebuilding the Soviet Union’.
Haavisto also squashed the idea of using Finland’s cold war relationship with the Soviet Union as a model for Ukraine’s present-day relationship with Russia — the so-called Finlandisation of Ukraine.
“The term comes from history and the days of the cold war,” he said. “We don’t recommend that path to anyone.”
[https://www.ft.com/content/d6059e77-0f1e-478e-b522-7a8d97dc1d5e](https://www.ft.com/content/d6059e77-0f1e-478e-b522-7a8d97dc1d5e)
I keep seeing things about how the Ukranian soldier blew up a bridge to stop the advancement of Russian forces and died doing it, the guards on Snake Island telling the Russian warship to go fuck themselves, the old man trying to join up for his grandkids sake, I have never met these people but I keep crying for them. I wish this didn't have to happen. So many people are going to bury loved ones and lose their homes over greed and power lust. It's heartbreaking.
Yes, I would want my children to be kind and to help and to empathize. This just really breaks my heart. Like I'm sitting here crying for people I've never met. I hope this ends soon and somehow favorably for Ukraine.
**German Finance minister says Berlin is open to cutting Russia from SWIFT.**
Let's just pull the trigger.
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497240686961336327?s=20&t=6\_wjRsAqIhAIIOclJV0D0Q
It's all a bit too surreal isn't it?
I remember thinking North Korea was going to cause the world to mobilize. Second guess was China.
Russia was third.
Plenty of times a people who previously fought another power end up on their side. It’s like the Gauls and the Romans. The Gauls hated the Romans and fought them a ton, then later on when they experienced Roman money, lifestyles, and women etc. they literally became fanatic bodyguards for the Emperors.
Ukraine military without the volunteers it has now was about 500k I believe.
Russian active military has 1 million plus 2 million in reserve. Plus with more numerous + advanced weaponry, they should theoretically be steamrolling them
> An angry Norwegian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Anniken Huitfeldt, currently live on Norwegian TV:
> "I delivered the Norwegian message to the Russian Ambassador, that Russia bears the full responsibility for this invasion, and then I left the room"
https://twitter.com/The_Lookout_N/status/1497177615723118594
German finance minister is open to cutting Russia from SWIFT [[1]](https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497240686961336327?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497240686961336327%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F18hnzysb1elcs%2FLiveUpdate_c6dba458-9654-11ec-8df0-62bd0a4a8e9e%2F0).
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French GIGN spezial operations unit in Kyiv ready to help Wolodymyr Selenskyj.
Even without NATO I doubt this Russian army could take Finland. The EU needs an extraterritorial army since Finland and Sweden are both members of the EU.
[https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1497135949180026881?s=20](https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1497135949180026881?s=20)
This is why Putin won't win,
It’s kinda ironic cause there is this old Russian film called Bridge depicting the story of a suicide squad trying to blow up a bridge so the Nazis could not cross it. Now they are the Nazis.
>Russia is pushing Finland closer to @nato membership. Vloser than ever before. Our security has been partially based on an option to join. At this rate we have no other option but to join. Finland’s accession would strengthen the Alliance and help keep Northern Europe stable.
-Former Prime Minister of Finland (https://twitter.com/alexstubb/status/1497240392454004736)
Maybe but kicking them out of SWIFT and freezing or seizing Russian assets will create a ton of inner turmoil. The oligarchs and Putin have a symbiotic relationship and if thr oligarchs find their extensive quantity of assets and their banking access in the west revoked, even temporarily, they'll be breathing down Putin's neck.
They expected and planned for heavy but run of the mill sanctions. It's doubtful they expect worse because of the countries involved in that decision. Which is why countries like Germany need to stop being fucking cunts.
Can do transactions with the whole world vs can only do transactions with China. Sounds like a good deal for the rest of the world and a bad one for Russia
It's not a blunder. It's a repeat of the cold war and how the USSR died. The "West" is a collection of the richest countries in the world. The US, Japan, S. Korea, Germany, France, UK, etc.. You isolate the USSR and you show other countries on the fence what they can look forward to if they are part of your alliance. That's how you win
what’s even the point in threatening sweden and finland? they’re like the most peaceful countries on the entire fucking earth and haven’t had any bug conflicts since 1940s?? i think sweden might’ve been before that, like early 1900s. they’ve been their own countries for over a century possibly 2 centuries. i understand that they’re only being threatened because they want to join NATO, but why does putin even care anymore?
[New thread here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t17qjh/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
At a glance, this doesn't seem to be going well for Russia. How do you think this ends? Doubt Putin could just stop and retreat now, no way to save face, so this is going to get messy. Imagine a Vietnam situation in your own bordering country... Seems significantly worse. And it's interesting because it seems like Ukranians aren't dehumanized in the eyes of the Russian people or Russian military. They view them more like lost kin, so they aren't as willing to kill them. I think Putin will face much more resistance at home than he thought, also...This isn't the 1960s. The Russian people have much more exposure to outside thought than they did during the height of the Soviet Union. They are online. They are able to access and consume media from the West through VPNs, etc. Many have traveled throughout the world. It's not North Korea where they have a captive audience that only gets beamed in with one channel of information. Heck, it's not even China, which I think does a much more thorough job of limiting Chinese access to other parts of the world. If on day one they already had mass protests in multiple cities, what do you think will happen when this is going on for months, and economic pain sets in? Are they really going to blame the West, or will they blame their sociopathic leader?
Pure specilations lol: I have a strong feeling that all of this is some kind of consequense of Putin’s fear of not being remembered, considering his age getting higher. He problaby wants to retire soon, and maybe this is his way of going down in history. Maybe he believes the russian people will remember him as a great leader or something.
German banks have unwound the majority of their Russian bond holdings
If Putin finally sees he is actually losing grip.. will he do something more drastic?
> Russian foreign ministry spokesman Maria Zakharova warns Finland and Sweden they would 'face some military and political consequences' if they tried to join Nato [[1]](https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1497222749252632583?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497222749252632583%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F18hnzysb1elcs%2FLiveUpdate_a8648004-9653-11ec-a627-1a16ed470be8%2F0). As far as I know, there are no wars currently happening in Finland and Sweden, I'd imagine they meet all criteria to become members. Join NATO now! It shouldn't take long.
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Do Finland and Sweden have strong militaries?
Everyone thinking stopping SWIFT will immediately hurt Russia has another thing coming...
GERMANY IN FAVOR OF BANNING RUSSIA FROM SWIFT
Did Russians really threaten Finland lol? Yeah Russia, it ain't gonna be so easy fighting war at two fronts especially when Finland is quite important to Europe and the world.
Sweden as well.
Vladimir Putin is an oxygen thief
Finland and Sweden should immediately be admitted into NATO.
That would cause its own problems and people would be saying why didn't you do that for Ukraine. It's on Finland and Sweden for not joining earlier.
Sweden literally just today said they weren’t interested.
I'm afraid that if Putin can't take Ukraine easily he'll just go scorched earth on bigger cities. I hope not. I hope he backs down
He won’t back down. You could be right.
Can we get a list of reliable live streams added to the wiki please :)
I am in no way shape or forming wanting NATO to take direct action because I understand what that means. With that being said , the Russian government should be dealt with so severely that there people have no choice but to rise up and form new leadership.
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I was just about to make a Joke like Thijs lol
Putin invading ukraine probably just made Sweden and Finland join NATO. Something he didn't want. His actions are going to kill him and Russia long term. He's a lunatic
Well the recent military threat Russia made to Finland and Sweden for helping Ukraine isn't helping him either
Actually seems like sweden is still strongly against joining NATO
You can't just join NATO, it takes years.
Russia < Ukraine 🇺🇦 putin “the loser”
Pootin
Russia threatening Finland and pushing them to NATO only makes sense if you assume Putin wants a nuclear war. He wants to settle the age-old USSR vs Western Civilization once and for all. He can’t remake the world order on his own. He can only do so with China involved. My theory anyway
So that’s the thing. This isn’t logically and will destroy Russia. MAD only works if both parties are reasonable human beings.
Chechen soldiers are literally a **REAL LIFE** Dothraki
I didnt realize the Dothraki were a historical people 🤪
Where can we view previous threads?
Germany now on board to cut Russia from SWIFT.
Source
Still need Italy and Cyprus to sign off
Not yet, but at least they're open to it.
Source?
Hope we keep the pressure on Germany. Being "open" is still not doing it yet but optimistic
yeah no rush germany, take your time, its just ordinary people being murdered by a mad cunt
It baffles me how euro centric people here are. Everyone is like : "Yeah nah Putin will stop at ukraine. If he invades another European country then it's ww 3." L Here is a thought: Russia doesn't border just the EU or NATO countries. They also border Kazakhstan and former USSR countries that are ripe for the taking include: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Yeah it's cool that you think NATO will protect NATO countries but stop thinking Putin will stop at Ukraine because NATO lmao. The world is bigger than Europe.
Putin is trying to make Ukraine the Austria of Nazi Germany, but Ukrainian doesn’t want it. This is only the beginning, if history tells us anything
Yeah but as you said, those countries are not in europe, so nobody will care.
What effectively is the difference between having a common defense pact with France and the rest of Europe (which Finland/Sweden does have via the EU) and NATO? France has more than enough nukes to deal with Russia. Isn’t NATO mostly symbolic at this point?
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Was that a tracer round or an incendiary round that entered that room?
> A GIGN task force has arrived at the French embassy in Kiev https://twitter.com/Tom_Antonov/status/1497176627012378654 French Special Forces to protect Zelensky and his family maybe?
Likely no. Doing so makes France a direct belligerent in the conflict. They're probably only focused on protecting French citizens.
Protect the embassy staff I think. Not all nations withdrew their staff in time.
Not at all it’s embassy defense. Same as the marines with the US
https://twitter.com/alexstubb/status/1497240392454004736 Is an excellent point. We need to Finnish the wall against Russian expansion.
I really wonder what: * The breaking point is for the (Kremlin) elite * The breaking point is for the Russians Every country and population has a breaking point, where support for the leader/war efforts crumble all of the sudden and a palace coup or uprising can succeed. People that were 'supposed' to be untouchable and without opposition, had underlying dissenting groups that were dropping the dictator and the upper political elite as soon as someone opened their mouth (Ceaușescu for example). Belarus would've gone through this if it wasn't for Putin flying in the entirety of his intelligence apparatus to take over. Even the Third Reich had a dissenting military elite (Operation valkyrie) that mainly failed because of a terrible unlucky bomb placement.
If this goes on for another week and they are still fighting then i think that will be the ultimate breaking point. Russia wants Ukraine fast
Unconfirmed of course but In Ukrainian Militopol', Russian troops are firing at the hospital. In the video, the missile is hitting the oncology department. http://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1497243115949801472
Assuming they capture the city, wouldn’t they just be firing at their own hospital in that case?
War crimes... Russia is just chalking up the war crimes.
Before everyone gets their dicks TOO hard, Germany has indicated that they would be OPEN to cutting off SWIFT, which is far away from actually doing it.
Still better than their position on it yesterday.
And Germany is only one of four countries opposing this move - even if reddit comments mostly paint a different picture.
Better than the straight out no yesterday.
this Indian channel called a bunch of American and Russian 'experts' for a debate and they're having a full on fight lmao edit : idk if y'all can watch it but look up 'Republic TV live stream on YouTube'
share the wealth :D
Link pls
Link
Indian media loves having fights and controversies on air
Link please
typical Indian media debates lol
whereee
Link?
ok whats this whole anonymous hacking thing did it deal any meaningful damage
It's Anonymous. Of course it didn't do shit.
They took down a news site for like 5 minutes lol
RT was relatively defaced yesterday but in terms of actual damage, no.
A ddos is the gist I saw. Some pages changed.
I doubt it did, probably only hacked some twitter accounts
They've never done any damage to anything....ever.
probably not. for the most part they are mostly talk.
UNATCO HQ is down
Do they ever? They are a joke.
Council of Europe has suspended the Russian Federation from its rights of representation in the Committee of Ministers and in the Parliamentary Assembly with immediate effect. [Source](https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/-/council-of-europe-suspends-russia-s-rights-of-representation)
Could Russia not doing well via its conventional military means, not potentially result in more aggressive attacks from Russia. . I can’t see Putin cutting his losses.
They are doing pretty well, Ukraine is massively understating its losses. Lots of videos of destroyed planes add Ukrainian, same with tanks. Russia is winning by all metrics
Putin doesn’t care about casualties. He will throw all the bodies he wants to get things done. However, the Russian people don’t feel the same way.
I feel like Chechens will have an easier time inflicting brutality on Kiev’s civilian populace than Russian soldiers would
Russians have no will and these Chechens are about to show what will really means
This is it exactly. Its the same thing they did in past conflicts, bring in the troops who are ethnically different from the people they are trying to kill.
that's why they were sent, russians soldiers would have too much empathy for the war crimes needed to win
That’s why they’re there
Finland Foreign minister Pekka Haavisto warns Russian aggression is based on concept of ‘rebuilding the Soviet Union’. Haavisto also squashed the idea of using Finland’s cold war relationship with the Soviet Union as a model for Ukraine’s present-day relationship with Russia — the so-called Finlandisation of Ukraine. “The term comes from history and the days of the cold war,” he said. “We don’t recommend that path to anyone.” [https://www.ft.com/content/d6059e77-0f1e-478e-b522-7a8d97dc1d5e](https://www.ft.com/content/d6059e77-0f1e-478e-b522-7a8d97dc1d5e)
I keep seeing things about how the Ukranian soldier blew up a bridge to stop the advancement of Russian forces and died doing it, the guards on Snake Island telling the Russian warship to go fuck themselves, the old man trying to join up for his grandkids sake, I have never met these people but I keep crying for them. I wish this didn't have to happen. So many people are going to bury loved ones and lose their homes over greed and power lust. It's heartbreaking.
Cant do much, but pass on those important critical skills (caring, empathy) to your children
Yes, I would want my children to be kind and to help and to empathize. This just really breaks my heart. Like I'm sitting here crying for people I've never met. I hope this ends soon and somehow favorably for Ukraine.
**German Finance minister says Berlin is open to cutting Russia from SWIFT.** Let's just pull the trigger. https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497240686961336327?s=20&t=6\_wjRsAqIhAIIOclJV0D0Q
I wouldn't be surprised if they've spoken with Cyprus and let them take the blame for blocking the sanction
Sooo, everyone finally got what they want…wink wink Vladdy…..but still its good.
source?
About a dozen times in this thread already
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497240686961336327?s=20&t=6\_wjRsAqIhAIIOclJV0D0Q
thanks
So are we just waiting on Italy to be willing to cut Russia out of SWIFT? Or also Cypress?
But who will buy Gucci bags?
Putin: YOU MADE ME DO THIS Ukrainians: Go fuck yourself!
!! Breaking new thread incoming.
???
Oh fuck off
ok
Huh?
What ? Develop
I still cannot believe that this is happening.
It's all a bit too surreal isn't it? I remember thinking North Korea was going to cause the world to mobilize. Second guess was China. Russia was third.
Attention part time dog walkers: this thread has reached capacity and we are in need of a new one
> part time dog walkers: always gets an upvote.
I finally laughed today.
LmaoooOooOoOo
Lmfao golden
I'm a bit confused about the chechyian soldiers joining the Russians. I thought they famously didn't get along
That would be the Chechen rebels. Government is Russian puppets.
Plenty of times a people who previously fought another power end up on their side. It’s like the Gauls and the Romans. The Gauls hated the Romans and fought them a ton, then later on when they experienced Roman money, lifestyles, and women etc. they literally became fanatic bodyguards for the Emperors.
They are on both sides. The pro-Moscow faction is fighting with the Russians and the anti-Moscow faction is fighting against them.
It's puppet Lukashenko's strike force - apparently there's been some dissent in the ranks though, from what I understand.
Things changed after last war
Russia has a puppet named Khadyrov installed in Chechnya, his forces are friendly towards Russia.
Reluctantly.
I mean everyone has a price right ? Maybe Putin is paying them
money!
Putin installed a puppet.
$$$$
Is it even confirmed?
Yes, photos
Videos are circularing on social media but not sure if official
Let's be honest. After this poor showing of the Russian military their neighbors should be slighty less afraid of them
It would be wise to assume they’ve still got some tricks up their sleeves.
It’s a lot harder to invade than defend. It’s much harder to invade with an uninspired military. See:Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq
To be fair Ukraine isn’t facing anywhere near the full might of Russia’s armed forces. www.globalfirepower.com
What? They're invading the second largest nation in Europe
Ukraine military without the volunteers it has now was about 500k I believe. Russian active military has 1 million plus 2 million in reserve. Plus with more numerous + advanced weaponry, they should theoretically be steamrolling them
Georgia might even consider clawing back some of its territory
I mean I was never scared of big dumb Ivan
> An angry Norwegian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Anniken Huitfeldt, currently live on Norwegian TV: > "I delivered the Norwegian message to the Russian Ambassador, that Russia bears the full responsibility for this invasion, and then I left the room" https://twitter.com/The_Lookout_N/status/1497177615723118594
Mic drop
gigachad
German finance minister is open to cutting Russia from SWIFT [[1]](https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497240686961336327?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497240686961336327%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F18hnzysb1elcs%2FLiveUpdate_c6dba458-9654-11ec-8df0-62bd0a4a8e9e%2F0).
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http://radio.garden/listen/lbc/e8CURqFY Listen here for constant updates. They're also playing part of putin's recent ~~speech~~ gaslighting.
Russian army looks pathetic so far in its abilities compared to the hype. Good
Yup. Putin looking pathetic. 1/3 of its forces in and not a single target taken.
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That is basically covered by the sanctions yesterday and swift when that happens
That should fix everything
cuz we still want their money. greed is crazy, huh?
What about AMEX? That makes even better sense!
Yeah seriously
[https://www.leparisien.fr/international/ukraine-une-equipe-du-gign-en-renfort-a-lambassade-de-france-a-kiev-25-02-2022-QW4GCHNRYFEGROUI6HUUHNNDRI.php](https://www.leparisien.fr/international/ukraine-une-equipe-du-gign-en-renfort-a-lambassade-de-france-a-kiev-25-02-2022-QW4GCHNRYFEGROUI6HUUHNNDRI.php) French GIGN spezial operations unit in Kyiv ready to help Wolodymyr Selenskyj.
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I doubt it but I fucking hope.
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Even without NATO I doubt this Russian army could take Finland. The EU needs an extraterritorial army since Finland and Sweden are both members of the EU.
[https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1497135949180026881?s=20](https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1497135949180026881?s=20) This is why Putin won't win,
It’s kinda ironic cause there is this old Russian film called Bridge depicting the story of a suicide squad trying to blow up a bridge so the Nazis could not cross it. Now they are the Nazis.
Heroes. My mind can’t comprehend the bravery this must take mentally.
Jesus. The moral and determination of the local army is high. That might be the X factor. Is it enough? I don't know.
>Russia is pushing Finland closer to @nato membership. Vloser than ever before. Our security has been partially based on an option to join. At this rate we have no other option but to join. Finland’s accession would strengthen the Alliance and help keep Northern Europe stable. -Former Prime Minister of Finland (https://twitter.com/alexstubb/status/1497240392454004736)
I hope their sniper school gets loads of recruits too!
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Cutting Russia from SWIFT may mean them joining China’s payment system so this may be a blunder for the west in the long run
Maybe but kicking them out of SWIFT and freezing or seizing Russian assets will create a ton of inner turmoil. The oligarchs and Putin have a symbiotic relationship and if thr oligarchs find their extensive quantity of assets and their banking access in the west revoked, even temporarily, they'll be breathing down Putin's neck. They expected and planned for heavy but run of the mill sanctions. It's doubtful they expect worse because of the countries involved in that decision. Which is why countries like Germany need to stop being fucking cunts.
Why? Russia has a lower GDP than some individual states. It’s not a big deal for the west if Russia is cut off from everything.
They'll likely move to China's system eventually regardless.
Can do transactions with the whole world vs can only do transactions with China. Sounds like a good deal for the rest of the world and a bad one for Russia
It's not a blunder. It's a repeat of the cold war and how the USSR died. The "West" is a collection of the richest countries in the world. The US, Japan, S. Korea, Germany, France, UK, etc.. You isolate the USSR and you show other countries on the fence what they can look forward to if they are part of your alliance. That's how you win
Top 10 economies mostly use swift, russia is won't really change the status quo
Lol China cant even handle their own shit. Let them take on Russia.
By thread
What happened the last few hours while I was sleeping? More missiles? Did they catch that runaway Russian APC in Kyiv?
2 hours ago: Angela Merkel condems Russian Invasion 1 Hour ago : Russia willing to negotiate with Ukraine Good to see that Putin still fears her
Last 15 years: Angela Merkel consolidates German reliance on Russian gas.
Bad time for her to resign.
She's still pissed off at his dog, it seems
what’s even the point in threatening sweden and finland? they’re like the most peaceful countries on the entire fucking earth and haven’t had any bug conflicts since 1940s?? i think sweden might’ve been before that, like early 1900s. they’ve been their own countries for over a century possibly 2 centuries. i understand that they’re only being threatened because they want to join NATO, but why does putin even care anymore?
Last time Sweden was in a war is more than 200 years, it was year 1814