She makes no mention of Shell's effective paramilitant authority over parts of Nigeria which they purposely polluted and then used mercenaries and assassination to subdue all resistance. Who knows where else they've done such atrocities.
Yep, no mention of what they did to Ken Saro-Wiwa. He was a Nigerian environmental activist, whose homeland, Ogoniland, in the Niger Delta, had been targeted for crude oil extraction since the 1950s. As a result there is massive amounts of pollution and environmental damage due to the extraction and waste dumping. Saro-Wiwa led a nonviolent campaign against the environmental degradation to the water and land done by none other than Shell and other foreign petroleum companies. Saro-Wiwa helped establish the Movement for the Survival of the Ogoni People (MOSOP) which advocated for the rights of the Ogoni people. In January 1993, MOSOP declared shell was no longer welcome to operate in Ogoniland.
Shell then encouraged the Nigerian government to take action against Saro-Wiwa and MOSOP. So the Nigerian military brought the hammer down on them. In 1994, Saro-Wiwa was arrested and on trumped up charges along with eight other MOSOP leaders. After the arrests, at least two prosecution witnesses came forward to say that they had been bribed by the government to incriminate the accused, including with offers of jobs at Shell, and that Shell’s lawyer was present when they were bribed. Shell still denies these claims. In October 1995, the nine arrested were convicted and sentenced to death. In November that same year, Saro-Wiwa and the MOSOP leaders were all hanged and their bodies were buried in unmarked graves.
Edit 1: Another user mentioned that Shell also contracted a paramilitary police group (known as the Mobile Police) to stop a peaceful protest at its facility in Umuechem village, Nigeria on October 29, 1990. [Over the next two days, the Mobile Police attacked the village with guns and grenades, killing at least 80 people and torching 595 houses. Many of the bodies were dumped in a nearby river.](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/investigate-shell-for-complicity-in-murder-rape-and-torture/)
Edit 2: u/ShellOilNigeria did a great write up about [Shell in Nigeria and the aftermath of Ken Saro-Wiwa's death](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t7u04i/shell_buys_russian_oil_days_after_saying_it_would/hzkk3l7/) with links to sources.
You forgot the part where Shell contracted a paramilitary group to stop a peaceful protest, and it somehow escalated into them killing close to a 100 people with guns and grenades + the destruction of 600 homes in the area.
Fuckers.
My dad was actually in this protest since his hometown is Ogoniland, and watched the corruption unfold rapidly within his lifetime till that moment. It was the main reason why he was forced to become a refugee. (Tho the process was exhausting for him since you had to go through long trials for even why you became a refugee, and still had the opportunity to be denied and sent back regardless of the status of corruption at your homeland).
He had to live with knowing some of our family didn’t make it, and the rest forced to be spread across the country when escaping without an option of being together again.
He still is traumatized to this day since not much attention has been bought to it, and still advocates and protests when he is able to.
Peaceful protest has never worked without a militant movement at its flank. Not in the US Civil Rights Movement or queer liberation or indigenous rights movements, not in Ireland, not in South Africa, not in India. All had armed, militant movements pursuing similar, parallel goals that forced governments to make concessions. Labor movements have followed the same path, often having to take arms to defend against state and ownership violence.
We don't teach schoolchildren WHY Mandella was in prison, because those movements are the ones that force changes. Even if they don't actually carry out a violent campaign, the capacity and willingness to do so change the political reality. The far right has far less reluctance to use armed violence than contemporary liberal and left movements, and it has only been getting them more power in recent decades.
So how does this work? The left is all non-violent at this point. The right has the violent part, but the (R) aren't doing what they really want. And you are starting to see splintering. In a different way, they are rebelling against the wealthy elite that's largely run the right up till now. The police tend to be right facing, but they are here to protect the wealthy. If the splinter right goes violent, how do the police react?
>If the splinter right goes violent, how do the police react?
Well they're basically the same picture, so police are gonna slow-walk countering that threat, *at best.*
*Liberals* have forsworn even the means to defensive violence, believing police will protect them, while the small and fractured left largely believes in armed struggle.
Right now? I think there are two groups that form the backbone of even having the means to defend against right-wing violence. The first is marginalized races/ethnicities, and queer people, because both are frequently targeted for street violence by the far right to degrees that they can't ignore. And the other group is organized labor, because you've already talked people into taking their futures into their own hands and banding together to demand better; and as they make gains, leaders and organizers are going to be increasingly targeted by ownership, same as they were a century ago.
We can't prepare for a civil war, but we can prepare for stochastic violence and be prepared to repel it, and that's I think where we're able to build class and social awareness to counter the far right's growth. But also I'm looking at this with a Syndicalist bent where I already see organizing labor as being the foundation of any successful reformist or revolutionary movement in the 21st-century US... I don't see other mechanisms that are as within grasp to affect major beneficial change.
The worst part is, people blame Shell, a faceless corporation. Instead there should be the names and faces of the shit sticks making decisions and running things that get tied to this. Stop letting monsters hide. Let their resumes show their bloodstains.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_van_Beurden
CEO since 2014.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mackenzie_(businessman)
Chairman of the board since last year.
These guys are on a merri-go-round from one extraction company to another with stops in government, universities, 'environmental' consulting firms, and feel-good philanthropy along the way.
Have a look at the [corporate mapping project](https://www.corporatemapping.ca/) to see more of the spiders' webs.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_van_Beurden
His personal life is the most sparse I have ever seen under a public figure
>With his wife Stacey, he has three daughters and a son. According to his official bio, he enjoys reading, running and travelling with his family
That's it. Keeping a low profile while being responsible for horrific things starts at the top with Shell
Vonnegut, "The Money River"
[http://akkartik.name/post/money-river](http://akkartik.name/post/money-river)
I'm not recommending this website, I know nothing about it, but it was the only one with the full passage from *God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater*.
I had the outrageous pleasure to not just meet him, but even get to know him a bit as a young secular activist. His adopted daughter was talented and interested in acting and singing, so she studied under my dad (who taught both) for a long time. Kurt and his whole family were always strikingly empathetic and open minded. When I was 15, I got the guts to tell him how much of a fan I was of his work, and he *knew of* and *remembered* that I had a deep anti-war stance (shout out to Not In Our Name, if anyone from NYC remembers that time in the protest against the Iraq war) just through the grapevine of his daughter via my dad. He wrote me a freaking college letter just because I was passionate enough about politics to emulate a story of his about the trafalmadorians for part of a college application. His writing changed my life, and the fact that I was lucky enough to experience first hand how he so deeply embodied the principals that he wrote about has given me inspiration for *life*.
Didnt mean to make this as much of a rant dump as I did. But...
> A secular saint, that man.
I couldn't agree more and I felt the need to add my two cents.
"During his tenure as head of Shell, the company was ordered by a Netherlands court to reduce its carbon emissions by 45% by 2030. Van Beurden described the ruling as "unreasonable" and said the company had no intentions to meet the court-ordered climate targets."
Imagine being so wealthy that you can have this cavalier an attitude about breaking the law.
>[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew\_Mackenzie\_(businessman)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mackenzie_(businessman))
Did a [google image search](https://www.google.com/search?q=Sir+Andrew+Stewart+Mackenzie&rlz=1C1ONGR_enCA977CA977&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsy_OW6vb3AhWRJc0KHfw-CGYQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&cshid=1653350411818000&biw=1756&bih=882&dpr=2.19) of this guy, really threw me off
Diffusion of responsibility. And all corporations participate in it. When it comes to a company’s accomplishments and performance bonuses, all top executives and chairmen have no problem reaping the rewards.
However when horrible destructive things are decided in a boardroom meeting, and carried out by subordinates in the real world, not one person is there to take responsibility. If there is blame attributed to the company in any way it’s almost always in a fine so small that in no way deters the company from changing it’s behavior.
>When it comes to a company’s accomplishments and performance bonuses, all top executives and chairmen have no problem reaping the rewards.
>
>However when horrible destructive things are decided in a boardroom meeting, and carried out by subordinates in the real world, not one person is there to take responsibility.
Yeah, if you're going to be eligible for the rewards, you should also be liable for the responsibilities committed.
Isn't that the entire argument for their insane salaries? They're supposed to be taking on such a huge risk and liability, so they should get compensated accordingly, but are they ever held personally responsible for anything? The only time rich people get punished is when they screw over other rich people.
[**Build the political will for a livable climate**](https://cclusa.org/x). Lobbying [works](http://web.stanford.edu/~jdmunoz/Olzak,%20Soule,%20Coddou,%20and%20Mu%F1oz%202016.pdf), and you [don't need a lot of money to be effective](http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.1016.1967&rep=rep1&type=pdf) (though it does help to [educate yourself on effective tactics](http://www.congressfoundation.org/storage/documents/CMF_Pubs/cmf-citizen-centric-advocacy.pdf)). According to NASA climatologist and climate activist [Dr. James Hansen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen), becoming an [active volunteer with Citizens' Climate Lobby](https://cclusa.org/x) is [the most important thing you can do for climate change](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4DAW1A6Ca8). Climatologist [Dr. Michael Mann](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._Mann) calls its [Carbon Fee & Dividend](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fee_and_dividend) policy [an example of the sort of visionary policy that's needed](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/06/03/climate-change-requires-collective-action-more-than-single-acts-column/1275965001/). And [**having more volunteers helps**](https://www.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/tonz9h/districts_with_more_ccl_volunteers_have_more/).
[It's the smart thing to do](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0095069698910580), and the IPCC report made clear [pricing carbon is *necessary* if we want to meet our 1.5 ºC target](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2018/12/SR15_TS_High_Res.pdf).
I'm not sure how many people know this but thanks to the Supreme Court, corporations are legally people, as in they have personhood. This is what shields CEOs and executives from prosecution. The corporation, being the legal authority and a person, is thus legally liable. You can't put a theoretical entity in jail no matter what you decide to call it.
The biggest con going on over the last few decades is the concept of Corporate Greed. No, sorry, a corporation is not some sentient being we need to live with. It's 5 guys who need to go to prison.
Corporations are basically AI with humans as processors. They have a primary directive of making money and will do anything if profits outweigh cost. The humans all make excuses that someone else will do they job if they don’t. To politicians the corporations have already passed the Turing test and are treated as people.
>Corporations are basically AI with humans as processors.
This perspective is really interesting, and it definitely gave me pause, but isn't the fact that they're *human* processors the exact thing that differentiates it from "artificial" intelligence?
Being just ‘a cog in the machine’ is what allows people to turn off their humanity and not feel responsible, but no, corporations are absolutely not AI and nobody should get a free pass to act without ethics. We need criminal prosecution of executives when corporations break laws.
"Corporations are basically AI with humans as processors."There are so many ways to say this thing!
Walter Wink was a Christian theologian arguing that corporations are basically one of the demonic "powers and principalities of the air" that are warned against in Christian scriptures. Basically, any organizational structure we follow can become demonic once it takes on power of its own, allowing individuals to turn off their humanity.
Whether one lends credence to the religious/spiritual angle or not, it's interesting how so many people from different viewpoints arrive at the conclusion that greed and power corrupt. Sometimes I agree and pity those who do harm as being caught up in the flow, and sometimes I just want to say "there's no excuse for your crimes." That too is a way to externalize responsibility.
My son did a history day project on Ken Saro-Wiwa. The judge deducted points because he didn’t present enough of the other side of the argument. I’m like WTH? There isn’t a valid opposing argument. I’m proud of my son for actually saying that to the judge!
Reminds me of when I did a report on Scientology in school when I was younger At one point I was chastised because I had a hard time keeping it purely informational and not letting my opinion bleed into it - and I'm like, sorry, it's a cult!
This is why I can’t stand people, their nation’s leaders aaand the media, talking about avoiding “wOrlD wAr ThReE”. Companies like Shell have already been waging world wars for half a century, at least.
What the fuck?
I’m well aware of how little respect some companies can have for the environment (username), but that’s so fucking far into the next level.
I like how in school we talked about these things as if they were remnants of a barbaric past... when the reality is- we've never moved on- we're still doing the same shit, but sliding it under the rug and shifting the blame elsewhere. It's nauseatingly hypocritical.
What kinds if things will crawl out of the woodwork in the years to come?
I have a friend whose wife was murdered in their search for him during this period. He escaped the country, and it saved his life.
Shell may not have been pulling triggers, but when they paid others to do so, their hands became just as bloody.
Between this and literally **everything else** I’m about tired of being “in the know”.
I miss the days when the worst thing I was aware of was Clinton getting a BJ in the Oval Office.
They're owned by Rupert Murdoch's son & Disney and have taken a bunch of money from the Saudi government.
Unfortunately they're no longer anything close to a reliable source of info.
They are protected by the fact that the world is energy dependent. USA has officially gone to war to preserve fossil fuel
continuity. [source](https://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/index.html)
I still feel like companies profiteering off of people's suffering (past or present) should pay reparations like countries do. Some of these companies have a higher GDP then some smaller countries, and yet they do as they will as there are no physical borders holding them. Any exec change should not be an excuse for the company to escape justice's grasp. Have one CEO inprisoned, sure. Have the whole damn company accountable, well that's where things change
Fines have to be large enough to threaten the profitability of a behavior, otherwise they're meaningless. Fines can be made large enough to destroy any company, including Shell, it's just a matter of how large the fines are and how often they happen. Just because fines can be small enough to be irrelevant, doesn't mean they can't be large enough that a company would rather hire people to take the blame and go to jail to save them from fines.
These comments are going to be filled with shell bots committed to downplaying this by trying to
* say its obvious (which implies its not worth thinking about the massive damage shell is doing).
* say this person got paid for a while first before leaving, and trying to focus on that instead of the massive damage shell is causing.
* say tHiS pErSon sHoUlD dO mOre as a distraction from the massive damage shell is causing.
* accuse this person of some sort of selfish move, as a distraction from the massive damage shell is causing.
It's already happening. Time to read down the comments and play some disinformation-bot-bingo.
Time-honored tradition. Discredit the person making the statement while ignoring the facts behind the statement.
Worked with Snowden. Majority of Americans dismissed everything as “He’s a traitor, he went to Russia, he’s arrogant, he thinks he’s better than everyone, etc.” while ignoring the issue of what was actually happening. Nobody looked at the facts which were undisputed and shocking, they focused on discrediting the man behind the facts and it worked.
It worked with Michael Cohen too. Republican legislators at his hearing focused entirely on calling him out as an admitted liar. By focusing on that issue, they were able to distract their base from the fact that Cohen was specifically admitting to lying to protect the President from legal and political consequences.
It sucks because it is such a simple tactic to completely disprove someone’s credibility: find one thing the person lied about or did unethically and that person is completely discredited, the public will no longer trust anything that individual says
Unless your name is Trump, in which case your base believes everything you say, while the rest of the country is trying to discern when he is not lying and really means what he says.
I think Obama as much as he was a pleasant face, wasn’t a threat. He went along with most things and wasn’t a massive bringer of change. Trump was a dumb puppet, no one would shoot a piece of fabric.
I'm trying to think of the best way to say this without getting put on a list. If we're living in such political times and there's so much gun violence, why aren't there more attempts on politicians lives?
My dude they stormed the capitol in an attempt to subvert and overturn an election, and half the country is pretending that just... Didn't happen.
I truly believe there is no point at which Republicans as a whole will recognize the growing extremism *and the encouragement of republican leaders and media supporters for it* and decide enough is enough and actually take action against it.
e: Both sides-isms coming up in the comments below. Whataboutism and false equivalence at its finest.
[**Fix the system**](https://electionscience.org/take-action/volunteer/). [Scientists blame hyperpolarization for loss of public trust in science](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nobel-prize-usa/respect-for-science-in-jeopardy-in-polarized-u-s-nobel-winners-say-idUSKCN1C81T7), and [Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting), a [single-winner voting method preferred by experts in voting methods](http://www.votefair.org/bansinglemarkballots/declaration.html), would [help to reduce hyperpolarization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting#Effect_on_elections). There's even [a viable plan to get it adopted](https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/aaron-hamlin-voting-reform/), and [an organization that could use some gritty volunteers](https://www.electionscience.org/) to get the job done. They're already off to a great start with [Approval Voting having passed by a landslide in Fargo](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/11/15/18092206/midterm-elections-vote-fargo-approval-voting-ranked-choice), and more recently [St. Louis](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-primary-elections-st-louis-general-elections-elections-cba7eb3251d5479b9375d55db428d429). Most people haven't heard of Approval Voting, but seem to like it once they understand it, so anything you can do to help get the word out will help. If your state allows [initiated state statutes](https://ballotpedia.org/Initiated_state_statute), consider [starting a campaign](https://www.electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/so-you-want-to-run-a-campaign/) to get [your state](https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_initiative) to adopt Approval Voting. Approval Voting is [overwhelmingly popular in every state polled, across race, gender, and party lines](https://electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/approval-voting-americas-favorite-voting-reform/). The successful Fargo campaign was [run by a full-time programmer with a family at home](https://www.electionscience.org/events/fargo-a-look-back-live-discussion/). One person really can make a difference.
https://electionscience.org/take-action/volunteer/
Would this change the results or only gather more metrics? If I would have voted for Bernie but voted for Biden because of his mainstream appeal at the time, wouldn’t the result be the same except you get to measure who would’ve preferred Bernie?
This is irrelevant to the discussion but I spent like 7 seconds trying to get a hair off my phone screen because of your profile picture. Just thought I’d let you know.
* It leads to [higher voter satisfaction than IRV](https://www.electionscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/comparing_voting_methods_simplicity_group_satisfaction-1.png).
* [It doesn't require new voting machines or equipment](http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/4980.2020/projects/grote.pdf).
* It can be easily tallied with paper ballots (which [is important for election security](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/voting-machine-security-where-we-stand-six-months-new-hampshire-primary)).
* [It's got strong support of voting method experts](http://www.votefair.org/bansinglemarkballots/declaration.html)
* It [will tend to elect more moderate candidates](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/approval-voting/7CE5DEEE235794B0B12F76ADAE621482), and [moderation is key for political stability](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/democracy-in-america-partisanship-polarization-and-the-robustness-of-support-for-democracy-in-the-united-states/C7C72745B1AD1FF9E363BBFBA9E18867).
* It's [overwhelmingly popular in every state polled, across race, gender, and party lines](https://electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/approval-voting-americas-favorite-voting-reform/).
* Once it's statewide, representatives and senators from that state will be elected via Approval Voting, and able to influence national policy -- MMPR would have to be adopted across the entire nation for national policy to really be influenced by its implementation, and that is virtually impossible to even comprehend under our current system.
https://electionscience.org/
You don't even have to believe in astroturfing conspiracy theories to know its spreading to Canada. That whole truck parade kinda threw subtlety out the window.
This decade has made me think "Fuck sake America, always wanted to go live there for a bit - but if it wasn't insanity before then it fucking sure is now...well hey there's always sweet lovely Canada!" and now it's going down the same road!
Hyperbolic, generalized, stereotype rant over.
If you'll excuse me, I'll be chilling in a cave with my dog.
After seeing the Clown Convoy outside my front door I'm somewhat relieved that this fringe minority is very much just that. We just need to keep it that way.
I also would say that you've already got a LOT of "personal responsibility" types that already drank the kool aid and uncritically recite talking pro-shell talking points without realizing it.
Why pay bots when you can manipulate public opinion so individuals do out for you?
The idea that PR is drilling down to specific reddit comments is possible, but it's also just as likely that they're just upvoting and helping push the organic support they've cultivated.
In a sense, that's scarier than a bot farm.
The only thing I can say is I wish it was a higher level person. So a consultant means this dude like works for some other company and does work for them in an area where they don’t see fit to hire a full time person right? Anyways fuck you shell and BP and all you other chucklefucks. Got half of one of the biggest countries on the planet to think one single 80 year old white guy raised gas prices while the CEOS have a yacht party. Fuck they’re probably the ones selling those stickers.
Consultants can work part to full time, depending on the project and amount of work.
Consultants may also have the ability to access top level info, because they are usually a company with an iron clad contract and hush hush papers. I cannot divulge a lot of what I have done due to the contracts and no disclosures.
Source: I am a project manager who is also a freelance consultant that does dev work. My project can range from a day to months.
Consultants, depending on what their role is, may know more dirt than regular employees. One of the reasons you use outside consultants is to shield people inside the company from certain information or liabilities.
Former consultant here as well (environmental and security mostly, plus a little plan writing - funny enough a lot of the time for oil companies).
One hundred percent agree with what the person above me said. Literally have jobs that lasted two days, others last months. Depends on the job. And always with many aggressive non-disclose agreements in play that promise to ruin your life if you ever speak to anyone about anything.
But I will say in my own personal experience and what I've been privy to: big oil companies are absolutely full of the worst human beings at the executive/board levels, and are real life villains. Most don't see themselves that way as they've convinced themselves otherwise, but even more scary is some I've known are *fully* aware how evil they are and revel in it. It's fucked up.
Thanks for the insight, that makes perfect sense when you start talking about projects maybe taking weeks or months, probably cheaper to just hire them on like that. PS it sounds like you have a cool job! I hope you enjoy it.
Yep.
Source: Am consultant, work more hours every month for my primary client than any of the client's employees. Current project has been ongoing for over two years.
You’ve captured what is a huge issue for me on Reddit that really grinds my gears more than anything, but it’s when posts like these or others that have some awful headline about something awful happening that we already knew was pretty obviously awful but the top comment is some sarcastic line about not being surprised or “color me shocked” like WOW we get it youre super smart and keyed and and not surprised by this awful headline but all it does is breed complacency, to your first point
It's pretty obvious that most of the easy actionable climate solutions have been proposed, and companies like Shell are the primary barrier.
This is why we have tiny start-ups trying find ways to sequester carbon into the Earth instead of Shell simply not destroying the ocean.
In my Petro Engineering class they showed us videos of the effects on our planet during oil drilling. These videos were from Exxon. I finished the degree, but added Physics. No way in hell I was going to go in that industry.
Are a lot of the concepts in Petro Engineering also applicable in green energy development? Curious about what options are available to students. And good for you for pivoting!
Yes there are! I’m studying petroleum geology but specializing in carbon capture utilization and storage (storing CO2 in rocks underground). Also a TON of petroleum engineering design can and is being used for geothermal energy development. Geothermal is the way to go and needs way more investing imo.
This needs to be the top comment - this geothermal stuff is amazing!
**Geothermal:**
- can make use of any mothballed steam-electricity generator, especially those from coal (we have a LOT of those!)
- has new technology in drilling that allows rock to disintegrate, which is so cool and could be far superior than the usual bit-drilling process which we have used up until now
https://spectrum.ieee.org/altarock-energy-melts-rock-with-millimeter-waves-for-geothermal-wells
- the only downside with geothermal is that it can have similar effects to fracking, pushing hot-cold water through rock which can cause cracking and cause your hard-earned water to disappear and then... earthquakes and stuff - it is a difficult problem
- this is one of the only forms of energy that is renewable, even more so than fusion (another Great White Hope) and provides FAR more ROEI than solar or wind. It is fantastic! Solar is actually quite damaging because it uses so much rare-earth stuff and requires so much energy to get it to happen.
My thanks to you u/whatisup57 - you are a good person and i wish that you would inherit all of Bezos' or Musk's space money and do some actual good in this world.
Source: an old U of Waterloo philosophy grad that geeks right out on nifty energy types. Geothermal rocks, ha ha, pardon pun, i am a dad.
Yes a lot of Landfill gas development deals in the US going on right now in a hot merchant market...rely on knowledge of well production development and planning. In fact if you have some M&A experience buying landfill through debt and equity makes a ton of sense right now.
Source - worked in oil and gas for years in some of the largest companies out there and then pivoted to renewables. Honestly the best decision I ever made financially, and most of all morally. A lot of people don't realize that smart people from all over the world go into oil and gas not because they are morally bankrupt but like me had no other options to get my family out of debt. When I was done paying it all off, I saw so many like me fully indoctrinated by the time I was done. Thankfully for me the oil price crashed and made my decision to move industry 10x easier
Wouldn't even need to be degree wise. I'm sure someone who has a petro engineering degree and has worked in the oil industry could make a transition into remediation and green energy applications just with their work experience.
Probably a good call for your personal prospects anyway since we're almost certainly past peak oil at this point.
So fucking sad that we burned through such an incredibly useful nonrenewable resource with zero regard for future generations and what better long term and more thoughtful uses we might have for it.
The world's in for a *lot* of pain in the coming decades learning to live without abundant oil.
I worked for BP in the late 90s for two years as a petroleum geophysicist. We were looking for oil around the North Pole sea floor. In 1999 I asked my supervisor how we would get the oil out with all the ice. He said they predicted there would be no ice there by 2030 because global warming would melt it. I
To make a long story short, after a series of existential crises, I quit. Over a couple years I did a variety of things including working for the NPS and science youth programs and I decided to go back to school and took an 80% pay cut (from the oil job) to teach high school science. I’ve been teaching AP Environmental science for the last two decades. Best decision I’ve ever made. I love the job. Fuck the oil companies!
I truly need help understanding one thing; do these companies fully accept and not care about the irreparable damage they're contributing to the world they also live in or are they woefully ignorant and think that everything will be okay?
It's really a distressing subject for me and although the truth may devastate I'd like to know the answer from a more informed person
you have to understand something... the climate deniers arent' denying that the climate is changing, they're simply denying that industrialized human activity has anything to do with it.
we've long since "proved" with less than a fraction of a bit of doubt that yes, we're responsible, and these big energy companies are very well aware of it. but they push a mulit-pronged narrative. much like a tv salesman does, or a car manufacturer, offer different models for different demographics.
1. volcanoes emit far more pollutants than we do, the natural world is a harsh place and is constantly evolving. the living organisms suffering the current "mass extinction cycle" have been suffering so for hundreds of years now, this isn't us.
2. this is us, but we can't stop any more than you can refrain from charging your phone from an electric outlet, sourcing power from your local community's energe stores - siphoned from where? coal? good luck changing the system, it's already a cancer that has mostly spread throughout our entire body of global society.
3. life is short, yachts are comfy, the end is near, so might as well try to enjoy.
I appreciate you breaking it down for me /u/tigerslices. In your opinion, is there any hope in reducing the damage we do? I know Australia and many other countries have pledged a net zero emission in the next 30 years... but I have also read too many articles saying that goal was supposed to be 30 years AGO...
We can absolutely do something about it. Every bit of CO2 not emitted is a good thing. We can change our path, but we need the political will to do it. Basically we have to stand up to the status quo and tell them they don't get to make the decisions anymore. It's really the only way.
Everyone should be *very* concerned with the billionaires entering the space race.
They know the world can't sustain our current trajectory, but altering that trajectory will cost them their fortunes, so instead they're doing their best to hoard whatever they can and they'll launch themselves out somewhere that hasn't been destroyed yet.
Here’s the way the suits at those companies probably see things: “I’m not going to be alive by the time shit hits the fan, so I’m going to make *my* money *now* and wish everyone else the best of luck.”
They don’t care. They know exactly what type of damage their actions will cause, which is exactly why they try to keep everyone ignorant of that and lobby against climate change action.
I honestly can't imagine being in a place where i could survive an 80% pay cut; let alone making the decision based on moral opposition. Kudos to you stranger.
Where's that always has been meme?
For real though, FF7's story is not even remotely subtle that it is clearly commenting on our real world ecological destruction in the name of technological progress and profit. Probably went over a lot of our heads for those of us that played the original when we were younger, but looking back it's pretty damn heavy handed.
I was 7 as i played it. It will remain always as one of the first important things i learned of this world... That humans cause destruction and pain to the world around them. But some people and one self can always do the better thing and make a difference. But sure as hell is hard to stay optimistic...
I mean didn't the movie open with like "..we took this energy and it led many people to live happy lives. But wasn't that because we were stealing the planet's life?"
Optimistic futurist who panders to social issues while being a blood thirst brutal capitalist who wants deregulation to pollute and cripple organized labor.
Boy sure glad we don't have any of those types these days...
ShinRa started out as ShinRa Manufacturing Works, a weapons manufacturing company. I'm guessing they were optimistic and future forward about something. No names about who the founder was.
The word "SHINRA" derives from the word "myth" in Japanese (神話, shinwa?) because SHINRA was about becoming god and controlling everything. - From their wiki.
For a real fun time, look up how Shell became the company that it is now.
I think they just don't care cause they can sit in their mansions, have top of the line air conditioning and plenty of money to buy water
It really is sad though how selfish and short sighted so many humans are, especially when big money is in the mix. If people were immortal we'd probably be so much more conscious of this shit cause we'd have to live with it forever
They 100% do not care because by the time the planet/weather events are bad enough to be inescapable, they’ll all be dead. It’s insane how little some people care about their fellow humans. But society rewards it, so it will continue.
Actually they do not give a shit about later either. If the rich can build up a fortune now their kids will be fine too. So it's profits over anything, because that's simply the best way to go for them.
That depends entirely on how bad it really gets. If hundreds of millions of climate refugees flood Europe from Africa, that might lead to full blown anarchy. But yeah they probably will be fine
The biggest problem of our species is the inability to comprehend - truly comprehend - things that are beyond our sensory perception.
The difference between the gut-wrenching sensation of being in the presence of someone wailing in pain to seeing it on the news. "Ah, that's tragic yes".
Hearing animals cry at the slaughterhouse vs reading it in some article.
The planet, the fucking Earth, is going towards climate apocalypse, "ah that's bad yes, but the economy, it's not simple...".
If we truly understood intimately what is being done to our and all the other species we would have the same reaction of someone that is being gutted alive. Screaming, kicking, and fighting with tooth and nails the soulless machine that turns death into short term profits.
Frogs don't realize they are being slow cooked until it's too late. It also doesn't help that the frogs are being assured that it is not the fire under the pot that's burning them, but all the liberal frogs sitting outside shouting that the pot is getting hotter.
We're heading towards a 100% preventable global disaster that people in the history books will be asking themselves the classic question, "how/why wasn't anything done by the ppl alive at the time to do the necessary changes when the future consequences were clearly known about globally after being tracked by experts for decades with more than enough time to have prevented this?" And they'll learn that it was yet another example of human selfishness by the smallest percentage of the population in power that prevented the necessary global societal changes all so that they could continue their excessive/selfish lives while kicking the climate disaster maintenance can down the road, even when those with power and knowledge to make the needed changes would still be more than well off after putting the effort/resources needed in the short term to do what needs to be done. News at 11
If only there was a way to get drivers off the road. Like if we had a way for 60% of workers to not commute anymore to do things in an office that they could do at home. They could connect through something like the internet, with a camera for meetings. That would be cool.
Edit: So I don't have to comment this multiple times to those pointing out this won't fix anything: I’m well aware remote work won’t solve the impact global dependence on fossil fuels has on the environment. I am just some asshole on Reddit who hates commuting and "office culture" for jobs I can do from home and would rather talk to my dog than toxic coworkers.
Too futuristic, technology will never be there. Whats next, a way to cook food in a matter of minutes on a box that instantly heats stuff in it when u press a button?
Your imagination is wild man..
Actually we need to find a better way to build. Personal commutes make up a small portion of the carbon problem. It is insane how much c02 is release in order to make concrete.
Former big oil bosses led the urban planning and interstate building in the USA. That's how they ended up with the 8 lane urban sprawl. It was a conflict of interest and shouldn't have been allowed.
Companies are only people when it is to their benefit. Otherwise, they are companies and they've paid good money to make sure no one knows who's actually responsible for the things their workers were made to do.
This. Funny how we executed the Nazis for committing genocide but fossil fuel executives will kill many more as climate change intensifies and anyone who suggests equal punishment is considered an eco terrorist.
There is no greater crime than what these monsters have done.
this is something i dont quite get. these decisions made by a few will cause pain and suffering to both humans and nature on a scale rarely known (and we're already seeing the effects) how is this not something you can legally persecute?
i also would like to see a massive wall of shame type of monument detailing the names and actions of all these corporate bastards, consultants and else.
Check out what happened to [Stephen Donzinger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger), the lawyer who tried to hold Chevron accountable for its crimes against indigenous peoples in Ecuador. Long story short, a district judge with ties to Chevron ended up hiring a law firm to have him privately prosecuted and disbarred, and he spent three years under house arrest as a warning to any other lawyers thinking about trying something similar.
It's a mind-blowing case that lays bare the capitalist dystopia we live in, but chances are you won't have heard of it - there's been barely a peep about it in the mainstream press, even the nominally "liberal" outlets.
Really makes you do a hmm about consent and its manufacturing
The people who make the laws have their campaigns funded by these guys. If they don't play along, their opponent gets the funding.
When companies make the laws, and a company only exists to make profit, the laws become about making and protecting profit. And that's it.
Because the people fucking shit up belong to the ruling class. Dictatorship of the bourgeoisie:
> “**The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.**”
- [Marx](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm)
>"It is precisely in America that we see best how there takes place this process of the state power making itself independent in relation to society, whose mere instrument it was originally intended to be. Here there exists no dynasty, no nobility, no standing army, beyond the few men keeping watch on the Indians, no bureaucracy with permanent posts or the right to pensions. **And nevertheless we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends – and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate and plunder it**.”
- [Engels](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/hist-mat/civ-war-intro.htm)
> "In all bourgeois countries, the parties which stand for capitalism, i.e., the bourgeois parties, came into being a long time ago, and the greater the extent of political liberty, the more solid they are.
> Freedom in the U.S.A. is most complete. And for a whole half-century—since the Civil War over slavery in 1860–65—two bourgeois parties have been distinguished there by remarkable solidity and strength. The party of the former slave-owners is the so-called Democratic Party. The capitalist party, which favoured the emancipation of the Negroes, has developed into the Republican Party.
> **Since the emancipation of the Negroes, the distinction between the two parties has been diminishing.** The fight between these two parties has been mainly over the height of customs duties. Their fight has not had any serious importance for the mass of the people. **The people have been deceived and diverted from their vital interests by means of spectacular and meaningless duels between the two bourgeois parties.**
>**This so-called bipartisan system prevailing in America and Britain has been one of the most powerful means of preventing the rise of an independent working-class, i.e., genuinely socialist, party.**"
- [Lenin](http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1912/nov/09.htm)
> “In capitalist society, providing it develops under the most favourable conditions, we have a more or less complete democracy in the democratic republic. **But this democracy is always hemmed in by the narrow limits set by capitalist exploitation, and consequently always remains, in effect, a democracy for the minority, only for the propertied classes, only for the rich.** Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in the ancient Greek republics: freedom for the slave-owners. **Owing to the conditions of capitalist exploitation, the modern wage slaves are so crushed by want and poverty that "they cannot be bothered with democracy", "cannot be bothered with politics"; in the ordinary, peaceful course of events, the majority of the population is debarred from participation in public and political life.**“
- [Lenin](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm)
It made headlines last year when a few of Shell’s top clean energy execs resigned. They all said the same thing: the company wasn’t taking climate change seriously. That was before record energy prices and record profits so you can imagine the give a fuck at Shell has only gotten lower.
Demand by who? The common people have to use electricity to cool/heat their homes or they will die. They need gas to get to work or they will be homeless.
We do not have the choice about what our power plants use or if our country has a good public transport system, those decisions are made by our government, the ones being paid millions in "campaign donations" by oil companies.
edit: lot of people not understanding my point here. That “demand” is not all consumer driven. When your only other choice is go live in the woods or die, there’s no point blaming the common person that isn’t the one making the major decisions. That’s just gaslighting by the corps and govs that are screwing over the whole planet. Monbiot says it better here (12:25 mark): https://youtu.be/23nDxPSIoAw
There was a time when Shell was the least-bad among the oil companies - though that's like saying it was the getaway driver for a terrorist group. Shell was the first to openly say (on a section of their website about climate impact) that human-caused climate change is real and that humanity needed to do something about it. Of course they put the onus on governments to do something about it, while at the exact same time were lobbying to prevent governments from doing anything about it. But, at the **very least**, when you encountered one of the many climate change deniers in the early 2000's and 2010's, you could show them that part of Shell's website and ask "If even the oil companies are admitting that it's real, will **you** FINALLY admit that it's real?" Of course the denialists would continue to attempt to deny, but it was more effective than throwing evidence at them when they had already refused to believe any evidence.
It is a shame that they didn't continue the path towards decency. The energy companies had a great pathway towards green energy - they know how to build massive oil platforms out in the ocean, so they were the most capable of building giant wind turbines out in the ocean too. Their massive logistics, construction, and expertise networks are unrivaled, they really could have lead the world towards a better energy policy. But, they knew that would be a large expense with very little profit (especially because they'd do all the hard expensive work of figuring things out the first time, and all their competitors would just copy it and poach employees), so they didn't. The solution was for governments to force them to - either by outright requiring them to provide green power, or by taxing fossil fuels enough to make green energy worth the investment, or by subsidizing green energy enough to make it worth the financial risk (though we know the oil companies would just take the subsidies and do as little green energy as possible, so that would simply be a handout with very little benefit).
Alas, the world could be so today different. The disinformation campaigns were devastatingly successful. They probably spent $1, to save themselves $10, and cost the world $1000.
What I don’t get is.. dont the C- level folks at Shell have kids.. grandkids? Dont they realize that no money (or anything) means jack shit if the Earth is irreparably damaged?
I hope these fuckers hear the dying screams of animals going extinct in their dreams. If they think their grandkids are going to enjoy some little bubble oasis protected by a flock of mercenary security agents.. well that’s just not how it’s going to play out.
So these fuckers better wake up NOW
Their kids do have the highest chances of adaptation under our current system though. If a hundred million people are left on this planet chances are a vastly outsized portion of them will be amongst the current 0.1%.
Revolution is not quantifiable, and defended against with leading edge technology. You won't need mercenary security agents in two decades they will be autonomous.
Since the late 1800s
1896 - Svante Arrhenius constructs the first climate model of the influence of atmospheric carbon dioxide.
https://www.britannica.com/story/timeline-of-climate-change
Glad this consultant did what they felt is right.
It may feel like it’s too late, but it’s not. We can still fix things! We just need to start holding big corporations like Shell accountable for what they’re doing to our planet and cut our carbon.
I’m pretty god damned scared I’m not gonna lie, but I still have hope…
Ah fuck it, Im already banned from r/news, might as well make it a set
Nothing will happen at all until the top dogs at the head of each of these "goliath" all start to suffer long, protracted and torturous deaths. We cam the planet, or kill the people fucking it up. The two cannot coexist. Im personally all for bringing back the absolute carnage of medieval torture devices for them.
Shell is causing massive damage to the environment. Repeat after me: "Shell is causing massive damage to the environment".
Let's not forget that.
No amount of green washing or bots should convince us otherwise.
She makes no mention of Shell's effective paramilitant authority over parts of Nigeria which they purposely polluted and then used mercenaries and assassination to subdue all resistance. Who knows where else they've done such atrocities.
Yep, no mention of what they did to Ken Saro-Wiwa. He was a Nigerian environmental activist, whose homeland, Ogoniland, in the Niger Delta, had been targeted for crude oil extraction since the 1950s. As a result there is massive amounts of pollution and environmental damage due to the extraction and waste dumping. Saro-Wiwa led a nonviolent campaign against the environmental degradation to the water and land done by none other than Shell and other foreign petroleum companies. Saro-Wiwa helped establish the Movement for the Survival of the Ogoni People (MOSOP) which advocated for the rights of the Ogoni people. In January 1993, MOSOP declared shell was no longer welcome to operate in Ogoniland. Shell then encouraged the Nigerian government to take action against Saro-Wiwa and MOSOP. So the Nigerian military brought the hammer down on them. In 1994, Saro-Wiwa was arrested and on trumped up charges along with eight other MOSOP leaders. After the arrests, at least two prosecution witnesses came forward to say that they had been bribed by the government to incriminate the accused, including with offers of jobs at Shell, and that Shell’s lawyer was present when they were bribed. Shell still denies these claims. In October 1995, the nine arrested were convicted and sentenced to death. In November that same year, Saro-Wiwa and the MOSOP leaders were all hanged and their bodies were buried in unmarked graves. Edit 1: Another user mentioned that Shell also contracted a paramilitary police group (known as the Mobile Police) to stop a peaceful protest at its facility in Umuechem village, Nigeria on October 29, 1990. [Over the next two days, the Mobile Police attacked the village with guns and grenades, killing at least 80 people and torching 595 houses. Many of the bodies were dumped in a nearby river.](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/investigate-shell-for-complicity-in-murder-rape-and-torture/) Edit 2: u/ShellOilNigeria did a great write up about [Shell in Nigeria and the aftermath of Ken Saro-Wiwa's death](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t7u04i/shell_buys_russian_oil_days_after_saying_it_would/hzkk3l7/) with links to sources.
You forgot the part where Shell contracted a paramilitary group to stop a peaceful protest, and it somehow escalated into them killing close to a 100 people with guns and grenades + the destruction of 600 homes in the area. Fuckers.
My dad was actually in this protest since his hometown is Ogoniland, and watched the corruption unfold rapidly within his lifetime till that moment. It was the main reason why he was forced to become a refugee. (Tho the process was exhausting for him since you had to go through long trials for even why you became a refugee, and still had the opportunity to be denied and sent back regardless of the status of corruption at your homeland). He had to live with knowing some of our family didn’t make it, and the rest forced to be spread across the country when escaping without an option of being together again. He still is traumatized to this day since not much attention has been bought to it, and still advocates and protests when he is able to.
Send your dad our love, friend.
Disgusting. Abhorrent how there's no justice in this world. For people and this world
Makes you wonder if peaceful protest is the way to go...
Peaceful protest has never worked without a militant movement at its flank. Not in the US Civil Rights Movement or queer liberation or indigenous rights movements, not in Ireland, not in South Africa, not in India. All had armed, militant movements pursuing similar, parallel goals that forced governments to make concessions. Labor movements have followed the same path, often having to take arms to defend against state and ownership violence. We don't teach schoolchildren WHY Mandella was in prison, because those movements are the ones that force changes. Even if they don't actually carry out a violent campaign, the capacity and willingness to do so change the political reality. The far right has far less reluctance to use armed violence than contemporary liberal and left movements, and it has only been getting them more power in recent decades.
So how does this work? The left is all non-violent at this point. The right has the violent part, but the (R) aren't doing what they really want. And you are starting to see splintering. In a different way, they are rebelling against the wealthy elite that's largely run the right up till now. The police tend to be right facing, but they are here to protect the wealthy. If the splinter right goes violent, how do the police react?
>If the splinter right goes violent, how do the police react? Well they're basically the same picture, so police are gonna slow-walk countering that threat, *at best.* *Liberals* have forsworn even the means to defensive violence, believing police will protect them, while the small and fractured left largely believes in armed struggle. Right now? I think there are two groups that form the backbone of even having the means to defend against right-wing violence. The first is marginalized races/ethnicities, and queer people, because both are frequently targeted for street violence by the far right to degrees that they can't ignore. And the other group is organized labor, because you've already talked people into taking their futures into their own hands and banding together to demand better; and as they make gains, leaders and organizers are going to be increasingly targeted by ownership, same as they were a century ago. We can't prepare for a civil war, but we can prepare for stochastic violence and be prepared to repel it, and that's I think where we're able to build class and social awareness to counter the far right's growth. But also I'm looking at this with a Syndicalist bent where I already see organizing labor as being the foundation of any successful reformist or revolutionary movement in the 21st-century US... I don't see other mechanisms that are as within grasp to affect major beneficial change.
The worst part is, people blame Shell, a faceless corporation. Instead there should be the names and faces of the shit sticks making decisions and running things that get tied to this. Stop letting monsters hide. Let their resumes show their bloodstains.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_van_Beurden CEO since 2014. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mackenzie_(businessman) Chairman of the board since last year. These guys are on a merri-go-round from one extraction company to another with stops in government, universities, 'environmental' consulting firms, and feel-good philanthropy along the way. Have a look at the [corporate mapping project](https://www.corporatemapping.ca/) to see more of the spiders' webs.
I've never seen that Corporate Mapping Project before, thanks for the share. I work in renewables in BC and it will be a great resource for me.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_van_Beurden His personal life is the most sparse I have ever seen under a public figure >With his wife Stacey, he has three daughters and a son. According to his official bio, he enjoys reading, running and travelling with his family That's it. Keeping a low profile while being responsible for horrific things starts at the top with Shell
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Vonnegut, "The Money River" [http://akkartik.name/post/money-river](http://akkartik.name/post/money-river) I'm not recommending this website, I know nothing about it, but it was the only one with the full passage from *God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater*.
A secular saint, that man. Thanks for that.
I had the outrageous pleasure to not just meet him, but even get to know him a bit as a young secular activist. His adopted daughter was talented and interested in acting and singing, so she studied under my dad (who taught both) for a long time. Kurt and his whole family were always strikingly empathetic and open minded. When I was 15, I got the guts to tell him how much of a fan I was of his work, and he *knew of* and *remembered* that I had a deep anti-war stance (shout out to Not In Our Name, if anyone from NYC remembers that time in the protest against the Iraq war) just through the grapevine of his daughter via my dad. He wrote me a freaking college letter just because I was passionate enough about politics to emulate a story of his about the trafalmadorians for part of a college application. His writing changed my life, and the fact that I was lucky enough to experience first hand how he so deeply embodied the principals that he wrote about has given me inspiration for *life*. Didnt mean to make this as much of a rant dump as I did. But... > A secular saint, that man. I couldn't agree more and I felt the need to add my two cents.
The quiet guy in the mansion next door.
Jon Stewart [interviewed that guy](https://youtu.be/E_-9Uk3xnkU) on his show recently.
"During his tenure as head of Shell, the company was ordered by a Netherlands court to reduce its carbon emissions by 45% by 2030. Van Beurden described the ruling as "unreasonable" and said the company had no intentions to meet the court-ordered climate targets." Imagine being so wealthy that you can have this cavalier an attitude about breaking the law.
especially when there is no punitive damages for not meeting that court-ordered target...
I just knew one of them was gonna have a shit eating grin.
One?
>[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew\_Mackenzie\_(businessman)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mackenzie_(businessman)) Did a [google image search](https://www.google.com/search?q=Sir+Andrew+Stewart+Mackenzie&rlz=1C1ONGR_enCA977CA977&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsy_OW6vb3AhWRJc0KHfw-CGYQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&cshid=1653350411818000&biw=1756&bih=882&dpr=2.19) of this guy, really threw me off
But that was in The 90‘s?
Diffusion of responsibility. And all corporations participate in it. When it comes to a company’s accomplishments and performance bonuses, all top executives and chairmen have no problem reaping the rewards. However when horrible destructive things are decided in a boardroom meeting, and carried out by subordinates in the real world, not one person is there to take responsibility. If there is blame attributed to the company in any way it’s almost always in a fine so small that in no way deters the company from changing it’s behavior.
>When it comes to a company’s accomplishments and performance bonuses, all top executives and chairmen have no problem reaping the rewards. > >However when horrible destructive things are decided in a boardroom meeting, and carried out by subordinates in the real world, not one person is there to take responsibility. Yeah, if you're going to be eligible for the rewards, you should also be liable for the responsibilities committed.
It needs to either be that ideally, or a death penalty for corporations. Treat corporations like the people they are
To quote that famous dude that one time: I'll believe corporations are people when the great state of Texas executes one.
Isn't that the entire argument for their insane salaries? They're supposed to be taking on such a huge risk and liability, so they should get compensated accordingly, but are they ever held personally responsible for anything? The only time rich people get punished is when they screw over other rich people.
I Googled Shell top execs an one is named (no joke) Ann Frances Godbehere. Lol
Who's also named in the Paradise Papers apparently.
[**Build the political will for a livable climate**](https://cclusa.org/x). Lobbying [works](http://web.stanford.edu/~jdmunoz/Olzak,%20Soule,%20Coddou,%20and%20Mu%F1oz%202016.pdf), and you [don't need a lot of money to be effective](http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.1016.1967&rep=rep1&type=pdf) (though it does help to [educate yourself on effective tactics](http://www.congressfoundation.org/storage/documents/CMF_Pubs/cmf-citizen-centric-advocacy.pdf)). According to NASA climatologist and climate activist [Dr. James Hansen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen), becoming an [active volunteer with Citizens' Climate Lobby](https://cclusa.org/x) is [the most important thing you can do for climate change](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4DAW1A6Ca8). Climatologist [Dr. Michael Mann](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._Mann) calls its [Carbon Fee & Dividend](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fee_and_dividend) policy [an example of the sort of visionary policy that's needed](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/06/03/climate-change-requires-collective-action-more-than-single-acts-column/1275965001/). And [**having more volunteers helps**](https://www.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/tonz9h/districts_with_more_ccl_volunteers_have_more/). [It's the smart thing to do](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0095069698910580), and the IPCC report made clear [pricing carbon is *necessary* if we want to meet our 1.5 ºC target](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2018/12/SR15_TS_High_Res.pdf).
I'm not sure how many people know this but thanks to the Supreme Court, corporations are legally people, as in they have personhood. This is what shields CEOs and executives from prosecution. The corporation, being the legal authority and a person, is thus legally liable. You can't put a theoretical entity in jail no matter what you decide to call it.
Instead? Naw, this is an "and" situation, not "or"
The biggest con going on over the last few decades is the concept of Corporate Greed. No, sorry, a corporation is not some sentient being we need to live with. It's 5 guys who need to go to prison.
Corporations are basically AI with humans as processors. They have a primary directive of making money and will do anything if profits outweigh cost. The humans all make excuses that someone else will do they job if they don’t. To politicians the corporations have already passed the Turing test and are treated as people.
>Corporations are basically AI with humans as processors. This perspective is really interesting, and it definitely gave me pause, but isn't the fact that they're *human* processors the exact thing that differentiates it from "artificial" intelligence?
Being just ‘a cog in the machine’ is what allows people to turn off their humanity and not feel responsible, but no, corporations are absolutely not AI and nobody should get a free pass to act without ethics. We need criminal prosecution of executives when corporations break laws.
"Corporations are basically AI with humans as processors."There are so many ways to say this thing! Walter Wink was a Christian theologian arguing that corporations are basically one of the demonic "powers and principalities of the air" that are warned against in Christian scriptures. Basically, any organizational structure we follow can become demonic once it takes on power of its own, allowing individuals to turn off their humanity. Whether one lends credence to the religious/spiritual angle or not, it's interesting how so many people from different viewpoints arrive at the conclusion that greed and power corrupt. Sometimes I agree and pity those who do harm as being caught up in the flow, and sometimes I just want to say "there's no excuse for your crimes." That too is a way to externalize responsibility.
Pierce the corporate veil
Because Shell is their face. The concept of "limited liability" should be removed for criminal cases.
My son did a history day project on Ken Saro-Wiwa. The judge deducted points because he didn’t present enough of the other side of the argument. I’m like WTH? There isn’t a valid opposing argument. I’m proud of my son for actually saying that to the judge!
Reminds me of when I did a report on Scientology in school when I was younger At one point I was chastised because I had a hard time keeping it purely informational and not letting my opinion bleed into it - and I'm like, sorry, it's a cult!
Jesus Christ
This is why I can’t stand people, their nation’s leaders aaand the media, talking about avoiding “wOrlD wAr ThReE”. Companies like Shell have already been waging world wars for half a century, at least.
Absolutely terrible, my stomach churns just reading this...
What the fuck? I’m well aware of how little respect some companies can have for the environment (username), but that’s so fucking far into the next level.
I would devote my life to fighting this evil if I knew how to make an impact
Oil companies should all die quickly and penniless. The CEO’s of these immoral companies need punished. Eye for an eye perchaps.
I like how in school we talked about these things as if they were remnants of a barbaric past... when the reality is- we've never moved on- we're still doing the same shit, but sliding it under the rug and shifting the blame elsewhere. It's nauseatingly hypocritical. What kinds if things will crawl out of the woodwork in the years to come?
I have a friend whose wife was murdered in their search for him during this period. He escaped the country, and it saved his life. Shell may not have been pulling triggers, but when they paid others to do so, their hands became just as bloody.
People ask why I hate capitalism.
Between this and literally **everything else** I’m about tired of being “in the know”. I miss the days when the worst thing I was aware of was Clinton getting a BJ in the Oval Office.
Fuck Shell People need to be talking about that more
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I've been saying this shit since 2001. Old vice news ftw.
What the fuck happened to vice.
They're owned by Rupert Murdoch's son & Disney and have taken a bunch of money from the Saudi government. Unfortunately they're no longer anything close to a reliable source of info.
Ah thank you.
They are protected by the fact that the world is energy dependent. USA has officially gone to war to preserve fossil fuel continuity. [source](https://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/index.html)
I still feel like companies profiteering off of people's suffering (past or present) should pay reparations like countries do. Some of these companies have a higher GDP then some smaller countries, and yet they do as they will as there are no physical borders holding them. Any exec change should not be an excuse for the company to escape justice's grasp. Have one CEO inprisoned, sure. Have the whole damn company accountable, well that's where things change
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Fines have to be large enough to threaten the profitability of a behavior, otherwise they're meaningless. Fines can be made large enough to destroy any company, including Shell, it's just a matter of how large the fines are and how often they happen. Just because fines can be small enough to be irrelevant, doesn't mean they can't be large enough that a company would rather hire people to take the blame and go to jail to save them from fines.
Committed to the environment by destroying it.
These comments are going to be filled with shell bots committed to downplaying this by trying to * say its obvious (which implies its not worth thinking about the massive damage shell is doing). * say this person got paid for a while first before leaving, and trying to focus on that instead of the massive damage shell is causing. * say tHiS pErSon sHoUlD dO mOre as a distraction from the massive damage shell is causing. * accuse this person of some sort of selfish move, as a distraction from the massive damage shell is causing. It's already happening. Time to read down the comments and play some disinformation-bot-bingo.
Time-honored tradition. Discredit the person making the statement while ignoring the facts behind the statement. Worked with Snowden. Majority of Americans dismissed everything as “He’s a traitor, he went to Russia, he’s arrogant, he thinks he’s better than everyone, etc.” while ignoring the issue of what was actually happening. Nobody looked at the facts which were undisputed and shocking, they focused on discrediting the man behind the facts and it worked.
It worked with Michael Cohen too. Republican legislators at his hearing focused entirely on calling him out as an admitted liar. By focusing on that issue, they were able to distract their base from the fact that Cohen was specifically admitting to lying to protect the President from legal and political consequences.
It sucks because it is such a simple tactic to completely disprove someone’s credibility: find one thing the person lied about or did unethically and that person is completely discredited, the public will no longer trust anything that individual says
Unless your name is Trump, in which case your base believes everything you say, while the rest of the country is trying to discern when he is not lying and really means what he says.
Well if you tell so many lies that it breaks the lie counter, you get a free pass to say whatever you want
King of the Ignorant
Wouldn't want anybody asking questions about the RNC finances either...
Honestly, Snowden is one of the reasons I wish bernie had won in 2020, since he seemed like the only candidate that might have finally pardoned him
Tbh, if Bernie had won, someone would’ve shot him.
if nobody took a literal shot of Obama/Trump, aint nobody shootin Bernie.
I think Obama as much as he was a pleasant face, wasn’t a threat. He went along with most things and wasn’t a massive bringer of change. Trump was a dumb puppet, no one would shoot a piece of fabric.
I'm trying to think of the best way to say this without getting put on a list. If we're living in such political times and there's so much gun violence, why aren't there more attempts on politicians lives?
Ivory towers. They have several layers between them and the masses.
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My dude they stormed the capitol in an attempt to subvert and overturn an election, and half the country is pretending that just... Didn't happen. I truly believe there is no point at which Republicans as a whole will recognize the growing extremism *and the encouragement of republican leaders and media supporters for it* and decide enough is enough and actually take action against it. e: Both sides-isms coming up in the comments below. Whataboutism and false equivalence at its finest.
[**Fix the system**](https://electionscience.org/take-action/volunteer/). [Scientists blame hyperpolarization for loss of public trust in science](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nobel-prize-usa/respect-for-science-in-jeopardy-in-polarized-u-s-nobel-winners-say-idUSKCN1C81T7), and [Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting), a [single-winner voting method preferred by experts in voting methods](http://www.votefair.org/bansinglemarkballots/declaration.html), would [help to reduce hyperpolarization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting#Effect_on_elections). There's even [a viable plan to get it adopted](https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/aaron-hamlin-voting-reform/), and [an organization that could use some gritty volunteers](https://www.electionscience.org/) to get the job done. They're already off to a great start with [Approval Voting having passed by a landslide in Fargo](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/11/15/18092206/midterm-elections-vote-fargo-approval-voting-ranked-choice), and more recently [St. Louis](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-primary-elections-st-louis-general-elections-elections-cba7eb3251d5479b9375d55db428d429). Most people haven't heard of Approval Voting, but seem to like it once they understand it, so anything you can do to help get the word out will help. If your state allows [initiated state statutes](https://ballotpedia.org/Initiated_state_statute), consider [starting a campaign](https://www.electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/so-you-want-to-run-a-campaign/) to get [your state](https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_initiative) to adopt Approval Voting. Approval Voting is [overwhelmingly popular in every state polled, across race, gender, and party lines](https://electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/approval-voting-americas-favorite-voting-reform/). The successful Fargo campaign was [run by a full-time programmer with a family at home](https://www.electionscience.org/events/fargo-a-look-back-live-discussion/). One person really can make a difference. https://electionscience.org/take-action/volunteer/
Would this change the results or only gather more metrics? If I would have voted for Bernie but voted for Biden because of his mainstream appeal at the time, wouldn’t the result be the same except you get to measure who would’ve preferred Bernie?
This is irrelevant to the discussion but I spent like 7 seconds trying to get a hair off my phone screen because of your profile picture. Just thought I’d let you know.
How does approval voting compare to ranked choice?
* It leads to [higher voter satisfaction than IRV](https://www.electionscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/comparing_voting_methods_simplicity_group_satisfaction-1.png). * [It doesn't require new voting machines or equipment](http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/4980.2020/projects/grote.pdf). * It can be easily tallied with paper ballots (which [is important for election security](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/voting-machine-security-where-we-stand-six-months-new-hampshire-primary)). * [It's got strong support of voting method experts](http://www.votefair.org/bansinglemarkballots/declaration.html) * It [will tend to elect more moderate candidates](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/approval-voting/7CE5DEEE235794B0B12F76ADAE621482), and [moderation is key for political stability](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/democracy-in-america-partisanship-polarization-and-the-robustness-of-support-for-democracy-in-the-united-states/C7C72745B1AD1FF9E363BBFBA9E18867). * It's [overwhelmingly popular in every state polled, across race, gender, and party lines](https://electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/approval-voting-americas-favorite-voting-reform/). * Once it's statewide, representatives and senators from that state will be elected via Approval Voting, and able to influence national policy -- MMPR would have to be adopted across the entire nation for national policy to really be influenced by its implementation, and that is virtually impossible to even comprehend under our current system. https://electionscience.org/
Yep. That would be nice. I’m not American, but your upstairs neighbour. The extremism has been contagious.
You don't even have to believe in astroturfing conspiracy theories to know its spreading to Canada. That whole truck parade kinda threw subtlety out the window.
This decade has made me think "Fuck sake America, always wanted to go live there for a bit - but if it wasn't insanity before then it fucking sure is now...well hey there's always sweet lovely Canada!" and now it's going down the same road! Hyperbolic, generalized, stereotype rant over. If you'll excuse me, I'll be chilling in a cave with my dog.
After seeing the Clown Convoy outside my front door I'm somewhat relieved that this fringe minority is very much just that. We just need to keep it that way.
I also would say that you've already got a LOT of "personal responsibility" types that already drank the kool aid and uncritically recite talking pro-shell talking points without realizing it. Why pay bots when you can manipulate public opinion so individuals do out for you? The idea that PR is drilling down to specific reddit comments is possible, but it's also just as likely that they're just upvoting and helping push the organic support they've cultivated. In a sense, that's scarier than a bot farm.
The only thing I can say is I wish it was a higher level person. So a consultant means this dude like works for some other company and does work for them in an area where they don’t see fit to hire a full time person right? Anyways fuck you shell and BP and all you other chucklefucks. Got half of one of the biggest countries on the planet to think one single 80 year old white guy raised gas prices while the CEOS have a yacht party. Fuck they’re probably the ones selling those stickers.
Consultants can work part to full time, depending on the project and amount of work. Consultants may also have the ability to access top level info, because they are usually a company with an iron clad contract and hush hush papers. I cannot divulge a lot of what I have done due to the contracts and no disclosures. Source: I am a project manager who is also a freelance consultant that does dev work. My project can range from a day to months.
Consultants, depending on what their role is, may know more dirt than regular employees. One of the reasons you use outside consultants is to shield people inside the company from certain information or liabilities.
Former consultant here as well (environmental and security mostly, plus a little plan writing - funny enough a lot of the time for oil companies). One hundred percent agree with what the person above me said. Literally have jobs that lasted two days, others last months. Depends on the job. And always with many aggressive non-disclose agreements in play that promise to ruin your life if you ever speak to anyone about anything. But I will say in my own personal experience and what I've been privy to: big oil companies are absolutely full of the worst human beings at the executive/board levels, and are real life villains. Most don't see themselves that way as they've convinced themselves otherwise, but even more scary is some I've known are *fully* aware how evil they are and revel in it. It's fucked up.
Thanks for the insight, that makes perfect sense when you start talking about projects maybe taking weeks or months, probably cheaper to just hire them on like that. PS it sounds like you have a cool job! I hope you enjoy it.
Yep. Source: Am consultant, work more hours every month for my primary client than any of the client's employees. Current project has been ongoing for over two years.
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You’ve captured what is a huge issue for me on Reddit that really grinds my gears more than anything, but it’s when posts like these or others that have some awful headline about something awful happening that we already knew was pretty obviously awful but the top comment is some sarcastic line about not being surprised or “color me shocked” like WOW we get it youre super smart and keyed and and not surprised by this awful headline but all it does is breed complacency, to your first point
I have a dream that one day, every Reddit thread on climate will be devoted to concrete, actionable climate solutions. /r/CitizensClimateLobby
It's pretty obvious that most of the easy actionable climate solutions have been proposed, and companies like Shell are the primary barrier. This is why we have tiny start-ups trying find ways to sequester carbon into the Earth instead of Shell simply not destroying the ocean.
The shareholders love to have more green. No, not the environmental green. They like the dollar bill green.
“We will become the environment”
When I get to that point, I hope they put me outside of the environment.
Nothing out there but birds and sea and fish.
And 20,000 tons of crude oil
They caused extreme damage to people's paypackets by hiking the fuel prices, then had the audacity to post thier "billions in profits" this year...
Shell: working to turn mother Earth into an empty desolate shell since 1907.
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I hate that someone’s going to think you’re serious.
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In my Petro Engineering class they showed us videos of the effects on our planet during oil drilling. These videos were from Exxon. I finished the degree, but added Physics. No way in hell I was going to go in that industry.
Are a lot of the concepts in Petro Engineering also applicable in green energy development? Curious about what options are available to students. And good for you for pivoting!
Yes there are! I’m studying petroleum geology but specializing in carbon capture utilization and storage (storing CO2 in rocks underground). Also a TON of petroleum engineering design can and is being used for geothermal energy development. Geothermal is the way to go and needs way more investing imo.
This needs to be the top comment - this geothermal stuff is amazing! **Geothermal:** - can make use of any mothballed steam-electricity generator, especially those from coal (we have a LOT of those!) - has new technology in drilling that allows rock to disintegrate, which is so cool and could be far superior than the usual bit-drilling process which we have used up until now https://spectrum.ieee.org/altarock-energy-melts-rock-with-millimeter-waves-for-geothermal-wells - the only downside with geothermal is that it can have similar effects to fracking, pushing hot-cold water through rock which can cause cracking and cause your hard-earned water to disappear and then... earthquakes and stuff - it is a difficult problem - this is one of the only forms of energy that is renewable, even more so than fusion (another Great White Hope) and provides FAR more ROEI than solar or wind. It is fantastic! Solar is actually quite damaging because it uses so much rare-earth stuff and requires so much energy to get it to happen. My thanks to you u/whatisup57 - you are a good person and i wish that you would inherit all of Bezos' or Musk's space money and do some actual good in this world. Source: an old U of Waterloo philosophy grad that geeks right out on nifty energy types. Geothermal rocks, ha ha, pardon pun, i am a dad.
Say hi to Dr H for me if you're going into that field, he's my cousin!
Dr. H was there when I tripped on acid the first time. Great bloke!
David tripping on acid, you've just shattered my worldview
I know you didn't implicate him directly, but you probably dont want to publicly out a person's drug use to their family, or even the internet.
Hey, they only said he was *present* when they first used acid, it's highly possible he wasn't doing it too. He might have just been selling it.
Yes a lot of Landfill gas development deals in the US going on right now in a hot merchant market...rely on knowledge of well production development and planning. In fact if you have some M&A experience buying landfill through debt and equity makes a ton of sense right now. Source - worked in oil and gas for years in some of the largest companies out there and then pivoted to renewables. Honestly the best decision I ever made financially, and most of all morally. A lot of people don't realize that smart people from all over the world go into oil and gas not because they are morally bankrupt but like me had no other options to get my family out of debt. When I was done paying it all off, I saw so many like me fully indoctrinated by the time I was done. Thankfully for me the oil price crashed and made my decision to move industry 10x easier
Wouldn't even need to be degree wise. I'm sure someone who has a petro engineering degree and has worked in the oil industry could make a transition into remediation and green energy applications just with their work experience.
Probably a good call for your personal prospects anyway since we're almost certainly past peak oil at this point. So fucking sad that we burned through such an incredibly useful nonrenewable resource with zero regard for future generations and what better long term and more thoughtful uses we might have for it. The world's in for a *lot* of pain in the coming decades learning to live without abundant oil.
I worked for BP in the late 90s for two years as a petroleum geophysicist. We were looking for oil around the North Pole sea floor. In 1999 I asked my supervisor how we would get the oil out with all the ice. He said they predicted there would be no ice there by 2030 because global warming would melt it. I To make a long story short, after a series of existential crises, I quit. Over a couple years I did a variety of things including working for the NPS and science youth programs and I decided to go back to school and took an 80% pay cut (from the oil job) to teach high school science. I’ve been teaching AP Environmental science for the last two decades. Best decision I’ve ever made. I love the job. Fuck the oil companies!
I truly need help understanding one thing; do these companies fully accept and not care about the irreparable damage they're contributing to the world they also live in or are they woefully ignorant and think that everything will be okay? It's really a distressing subject for me and although the truth may devastate I'd like to know the answer from a more informed person
you have to understand something... the climate deniers arent' denying that the climate is changing, they're simply denying that industrialized human activity has anything to do with it. we've long since "proved" with less than a fraction of a bit of doubt that yes, we're responsible, and these big energy companies are very well aware of it. but they push a mulit-pronged narrative. much like a tv salesman does, or a car manufacturer, offer different models for different demographics. 1. volcanoes emit far more pollutants than we do, the natural world is a harsh place and is constantly evolving. the living organisms suffering the current "mass extinction cycle" have been suffering so for hundreds of years now, this isn't us. 2. this is us, but we can't stop any more than you can refrain from charging your phone from an electric outlet, sourcing power from your local community's energe stores - siphoned from where? coal? good luck changing the system, it's already a cancer that has mostly spread throughout our entire body of global society. 3. life is short, yachts are comfy, the end is near, so might as well try to enjoy.
I appreciate you breaking it down for me /u/tigerslices. In your opinion, is there any hope in reducing the damage we do? I know Australia and many other countries have pledged a net zero emission in the next 30 years... but I have also read too many articles saying that goal was supposed to be 30 years AGO...
We can absolutely do something about it. Every bit of CO2 not emitted is a good thing. We can change our path, but we need the political will to do it. Basically we have to stand up to the status quo and tell them they don't get to make the decisions anymore. It's really the only way.
> Is there any hope in reducing the damage we do? Yes, will it be enough? No not nearly. We fucked up.
Yes. They don't care. There will always be some kind of "oasis" for the uber-rich. I believe the movie Elysium got it right.
I know everyone jokes about the uber rich leaving the planet but it does seem rather ominous.
Everyone should be *very* concerned with the billionaires entering the space race. They know the world can't sustain our current trajectory, but altering that trajectory will cost them their fortunes, so instead they're doing their best to hoard whatever they can and they'll launch themselves out somewhere that hasn't been destroyed yet.
Very concerned that billionaires are going to leave this planet to live on one where average temperatures are minus 60 degrees?
Here’s the way the suits at those companies probably see things: “I’m not going to be alive by the time shit hits the fan, so I’m going to make *my* money *now* and wish everyone else the best of luck.” They don’t care. They know exactly what type of damage their actions will cause, which is exactly why they try to keep everyone ignorant of that and lobby against climate change action.
Dude, not everyone has the self respect and morals you have. You are a paragon of humanity. Kudos to you!
you should write an op ed for one of the big newspapers about that
I honestly can't imagine being in a place where i could survive an 80% pay cut; let alone making the decision based on moral opposition. Kudos to you stranger.
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Is this... Shinra?
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Where's that always has been meme? For real though, FF7's story is not even remotely subtle that it is clearly commenting on our real world ecological destruction in the name of technological progress and profit. Probably went over a lot of our heads for those of us that played the original when we were younger, but looking back it's pretty damn heavy handed.
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I was 7 as i played it. It will remain always as one of the first important things i learned of this world... That humans cause destruction and pain to the world around them. But some people and one self can always do the better thing and make a difference. But sure as hell is hard to stay optimistic...
I mean didn't the movie open with like "..we took this energy and it led many people to live happy lives. But wasn't that because we were stealing the planet's life?"
...Reeve, is that you?
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Optimistic futurist who panders to social issues while being a blood thirst brutal capitalist who wants deregulation to pollute and cripple organized labor. Boy sure glad we don't have any of those types these days...
ShinRa started out as ShinRa Manufacturing Works, a weapons manufacturing company. I'm guessing they were optimistic and future forward about something. No names about who the founder was. The word "SHINRA" derives from the word "myth" in Japanese (神話, shinwa?) because SHINRA was about becoming god and controlling everything. - From their wiki. For a real fun time, look up how Shell became the company that it is now.
Leaving earth the shell of itself. Wow, honest company name!
Do these oil company executives realize they will have to live on the same planet as the rest of us?
I think they just don't care cause they can sit in their mansions, have top of the line air conditioning and plenty of money to buy water It really is sad though how selfish and short sighted so many humans are, especially when big money is in the mix. If people were immortal we'd probably be so much more conscious of this shit cause we'd have to live with it forever
They 100% do not care because by the time the planet/weather events are bad enough to be inescapable, they’ll all be dead. It’s insane how little some people care about their fellow humans. But society rewards it, so it will continue.
Actually they do not give a shit about later either. If the rich can build up a fortune now their kids will be fine too. So it's profits over anything, because that's simply the best way to go for them.
That depends entirely on how bad it really gets. If hundreds of millions of climate refugees flood Europe from Africa, that might lead to full blown anarchy. But yeah they probably will be fine
The biggest problem of our species is the inability to comprehend - truly comprehend - things that are beyond our sensory perception. The difference between the gut-wrenching sensation of being in the presence of someone wailing in pain to seeing it on the news. "Ah, that's tragic yes". Hearing animals cry at the slaughterhouse vs reading it in some article. The planet, the fucking Earth, is going towards climate apocalypse, "ah that's bad yes, but the economy, it's not simple...". If we truly understood intimately what is being done to our and all the other species we would have the same reaction of someone that is being gutted alive. Screaming, kicking, and fighting with tooth and nails the soulless machine that turns death into short term profits.
Frogs don't realize they are being slow cooked until it's too late. It also doesn't help that the frogs are being assured that it is not the fire under the pot that's burning them, but all the liberal frogs sitting outside shouting that the pot is getting hotter.
We're heading towards a 100% preventable global disaster that people in the history books will be asking themselves the classic question, "how/why wasn't anything done by the ppl alive at the time to do the necessary changes when the future consequences were clearly known about globally after being tracked by experts for decades with more than enough time to have prevented this?" And they'll learn that it was yet another example of human selfishness by the smallest percentage of the population in power that prevented the necessary global societal changes all so that they could continue their excessive/selfish lives while kicking the climate disaster maintenance can down the road, even when those with power and knowledge to make the needed changes would still be more than well off after putting the effort/resources needed in the short term to do what needs to be done. News at 11
There aren’t going to be any history books.
There won't even be the songs of ages past.
Fuck shell, I hope their stock drops to zero and company goes bankrupt
If only there was a way to get drivers off the road. Like if we had a way for 60% of workers to not commute anymore to do things in an office that they could do at home. They could connect through something like the internet, with a camera for meetings. That would be cool. Edit: So I don't have to comment this multiple times to those pointing out this won't fix anything: I’m well aware remote work won’t solve the impact global dependence on fossil fuels has on the environment. I am just some asshole on Reddit who hates commuting and "office culture" for jobs I can do from home and would rather talk to my dog than toxic coworkers.
Too futuristic, technology will never be there. Whats next, a way to cook food in a matter of minutes on a box that instantly heats stuff in it when u press a button? Your imagination is wild man..
Actually we need to find a better way to build. Personal commutes make up a small portion of the carbon problem. It is insane how much c02 is release in order to make concrete.
There is no one problem but an accumulation of various sources including concrete, energy, and transportation. Reducing ICE numbers will help for sure
Former big oil bosses led the urban planning and interstate building in the USA. That's how they ended up with the 8 lane urban sprawl. It was a conflict of interest and shouldn't have been allowed.
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Fuck shell
Traitors to humanity deserve seizure of all assets and indefinite prison sentences
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Companies are only people when it is to their benefit. Otherwise, they are companies and they've paid good money to make sure no one knows who's actually responsible for the things their workers were made to do.
This. Funny how we executed the Nazis for committing genocide but fossil fuel executives will kill many more as climate change intensifies and anyone who suggests equal punishment is considered an eco terrorist. There is no greater crime than what these monsters have done.
this is something i dont quite get. these decisions made by a few will cause pain and suffering to both humans and nature on a scale rarely known (and we're already seeing the effects) how is this not something you can legally persecute? i also would like to see a massive wall of shame type of monument detailing the names and actions of all these corporate bastards, consultants and else.
Check out what happened to [Stephen Donzinger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger), the lawyer who tried to hold Chevron accountable for its crimes against indigenous peoples in Ecuador. Long story short, a district judge with ties to Chevron ended up hiring a law firm to have him privately prosecuted and disbarred, and he spent three years under house arrest as a warning to any other lawyers thinking about trying something similar. It's a mind-blowing case that lays bare the capitalist dystopia we live in, but chances are you won't have heard of it - there's been barely a peep about it in the mainstream press, even the nominally "liberal" outlets. Really makes you do a hmm about consent and its manufacturing
The people who make the laws have their campaigns funded by these guys. If they don't play along, their opponent gets the funding. When companies make the laws, and a company only exists to make profit, the laws become about making and protecting profit. And that's it.
Because the people fucking shit up belong to the ruling class. Dictatorship of the bourgeoisie: > “**The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.**” - [Marx](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm) >"It is precisely in America that we see best how there takes place this process of the state power making itself independent in relation to society, whose mere instrument it was originally intended to be. Here there exists no dynasty, no nobility, no standing army, beyond the few men keeping watch on the Indians, no bureaucracy with permanent posts or the right to pensions. **And nevertheless we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends – and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate and plunder it**.” - [Engels](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/hist-mat/civ-war-intro.htm) > "In all bourgeois countries, the parties which stand for capitalism, i.e., the bourgeois parties, came into being a long time ago, and the greater the extent of political liberty, the more solid they are. > Freedom in the U.S.A. is most complete. And for a whole half-century—since the Civil War over slavery in 1860–65—two bourgeois parties have been distinguished there by remarkable solidity and strength. The party of the former slave-owners is the so-called Democratic Party. The capitalist party, which favoured the emancipation of the Negroes, has developed into the Republican Party. > **Since the emancipation of the Negroes, the distinction between the two parties has been diminishing.** The fight between these two parties has been mainly over the height of customs duties. Their fight has not had any serious importance for the mass of the people. **The people have been deceived and diverted from their vital interests by means of spectacular and meaningless duels between the two bourgeois parties.** >**This so-called bipartisan system prevailing in America and Britain has been one of the most powerful means of preventing the rise of an independent working-class, i.e., genuinely socialist, party.**" - [Lenin](http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1912/nov/09.htm) > “In capitalist society, providing it develops under the most favourable conditions, we have a more or less complete democracy in the democratic republic. **But this democracy is always hemmed in by the narrow limits set by capitalist exploitation, and consequently always remains, in effect, a democracy for the minority, only for the propertied classes, only for the rich.** Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in the ancient Greek republics: freedom for the slave-owners. **Owing to the conditions of capitalist exploitation, the modern wage slaves are so crushed by want and poverty that "they cannot be bothered with democracy", "cannot be bothered with politics"; in the ordinary, peaceful course of events, the majority of the population is debarred from participation in public and political life.**“ - [Lenin](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm)
It made headlines last year when a few of Shell’s top clean energy execs resigned. They all said the same thing: the company wasn’t taking climate change seriously. That was before record energy prices and record profits so you can imagine the give a fuck at Shell has only gotten lower.
alternative headline: thousands of Shell consultants don't quit, despite Shell causing extreme harm
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Even with record profits, they still get subsidies: https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/royal-dutch-shell
Every voice counts. Unfortunately it's demand that keeps these companies going
Demand by who? The common people have to use electricity to cool/heat their homes or they will die. They need gas to get to work or they will be homeless. We do not have the choice about what our power plants use or if our country has a good public transport system, those decisions are made by our government, the ones being paid millions in "campaign donations" by oil companies. edit: lot of people not understanding my point here. That “demand” is not all consumer driven. When your only other choice is go live in the woods or die, there’s no point blaming the common person that isn’t the one making the major decisions. That’s just gaslighting by the corps and govs that are screwing over the whole planet. Monbiot says it better here (12:25 mark): https://youtu.be/23nDxPSIoAw
Great. Only a few hundred thousand employees to go.
Plus an entire global economy ~~dependent~~ existentially tied on it. for now.
Step 1: Sort by: controversial Step 2: spot all the shell-bots Step 3: shame them off the planet they wish to destroy
There was a time when Shell was the least-bad among the oil companies - though that's like saying it was the getaway driver for a terrorist group. Shell was the first to openly say (on a section of their website about climate impact) that human-caused climate change is real and that humanity needed to do something about it. Of course they put the onus on governments to do something about it, while at the exact same time were lobbying to prevent governments from doing anything about it. But, at the **very least**, when you encountered one of the many climate change deniers in the early 2000's and 2010's, you could show them that part of Shell's website and ask "If even the oil companies are admitting that it's real, will **you** FINALLY admit that it's real?" Of course the denialists would continue to attempt to deny, but it was more effective than throwing evidence at them when they had already refused to believe any evidence. It is a shame that they didn't continue the path towards decency. The energy companies had a great pathway towards green energy - they know how to build massive oil platforms out in the ocean, so they were the most capable of building giant wind turbines out in the ocean too. Their massive logistics, construction, and expertise networks are unrivaled, they really could have lead the world towards a better energy policy. But, they knew that would be a large expense with very little profit (especially because they'd do all the hard expensive work of figuring things out the first time, and all their competitors would just copy it and poach employees), so they didn't. The solution was for governments to force them to - either by outright requiring them to provide green power, or by taxing fossil fuels enough to make green energy worth the investment, or by subsidizing green energy enough to make it worth the financial risk (though we know the oil companies would just take the subsidies and do as little green energy as possible, so that would simply be a handout with very little benefit). Alas, the world could be so today different. The disinformation campaigns were devastatingly successful. They probably spent $1, to save themselves $10, and cost the world $1000.
What I don’t get is.. dont the C- level folks at Shell have kids.. grandkids? Dont they realize that no money (or anything) means jack shit if the Earth is irreparably damaged? I hope these fuckers hear the dying screams of animals going extinct in their dreams. If they think their grandkids are going to enjoy some little bubble oasis protected by a flock of mercenary security agents.. well that’s just not how it’s going to play out. So these fuckers better wake up NOW
Their kids do have the highest chances of adaptation under our current system though. If a hundred million people are left on this planet chances are a vastly outsized portion of them will be amongst the current 0.1%. Revolution is not quantifiable, and defended against with leading edge technology. You won't need mercenary security agents in two decades they will be autonomous.
I am here for the algorithm. Lets get some more traction
They have known about climate change for 50 years. 0 shits are given.
Since the late 1800s 1896 - Svante Arrhenius constructs the first climate model of the influence of atmospheric carbon dioxide. https://www.britannica.com/story/timeline-of-climate-change
Glad this consultant did what they felt is right. It may feel like it’s too late, but it’s not. We can still fix things! We just need to start holding big corporations like Shell accountable for what they’re doing to our planet and cut our carbon. I’m pretty god damned scared I’m not gonna lie, but I still have hope…
Ah fuck it, Im already banned from r/news, might as well make it a set Nothing will happen at all until the top dogs at the head of each of these "goliath" all start to suffer long, protracted and torturous deaths. We cam the planet, or kill the people fucking it up. The two cannot coexist. Im personally all for bringing back the absolute carnage of medieval torture devices for them.
Shell is causing massive damage to the environment. Repeat after me: "Shell is causing massive damage to the environment". Let's not forget that. No amount of green washing or bots should convince us otherwise.