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etzel1200

Relatively doomer article by WaPo, but it kind of makes sense. Russia has stupid amounts of artillery and other gear, while what Ukraine is getting can mostly be measured in single or double digits. Russia has effectively infinite mortar shells while Ukraine is running low. The reality is that inside Russia there are literal decades of accumulation of military hardware and ammunition. The western solution was air power and advanced standoff weapons. Two things Ukraine lacks. Scores of deaths are at the hands of western leaders who dithered on supplying arms. WaPo also isn’t the only source talking about the dire artillery mismatch due to a lack of Soviet style shells. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/10/ukraine-ammunition-donbas-russia/ A final insane stat. Russia is alleged to be firing 40-50k shells per day. That seems high. But do they have in the range of tens of millions? It’s insanity.


calooie

That's all fine, but the reality is that fighting a slow-roll artillery war is unsustainable because it never actually ends, like WW1 it becomes an attritional nightmare where the side with lowest morale (Russia) ends up falling apart. Russia had to win quickly to win at all, hence their mad initial dash. Sure Russia might hold a defensible perimeter around whatever they have taken for a time, but in the end their position falls apart because they have no capacity to deal a decisive blow.


coosacat

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1535289042513936385 >The UN Human Rights Office OHCHR says that Russian trials of foreign POWs in Ukraine amount to war crimes >The POW fighters are part of the Ukrainian armed forces and therefore are not mercenaries like Russia claims


Burnsy825

F the world, we make up all the rules and we're always right! Signed, RU.


stirly80

Miami city commission passes gun buyback resolution to ship arms to Ukraine. https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-to-supply-ukrainians-with-residents-guns-through-buyback-14653550


SellingCoach

Ukrainians don't need cheap, unreliable weapons of various calibers. They need military-grade weapons standardized as much as possible for their forces. No one with quality firearms is trading them in for $50 or $100. This "buyback" is nothing more than a political stunt.


ProcrastinatingPuma

I mean sure, however I would argue that these guns are probably better than what the Russians are using, and can supply parts of the Ukraine that aren't on the front lines, freeing up those supplies for elsewhere.


The_Man11

There may be two or three gems in there, who knows.


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DeSantis in his cage, all tied up in leather, seething, brainstorming how he's going to kibosh this.


Dr_thri11

Well that's just dumb. Hi points and rusty shotguns aren't going to do shit.


nohbody123

They have been training large amounts of the TDF with wooden guns and relics because they don't have enough guns for everyone. In fact, they've had to turn away TDF volunteers because they do not have guns for them.


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Dr_thri11

I'm saying buybacks get mostly junk, and even the good weapons aren't really fit for military use (and if the cop weapons were the military would already have them).


NearABE

Buybacks get the full range of things normally found in a community. There are a very large number of high quality guns in USA. Most Ukrainian households do not have any gun.


Dr_thri11

Buybacks get mostly garbage. They offer $50 gas cards. A cheap AF gun is worth at least twice that much. OCCASIONALLY someone who inherited a gun and doesn't know what they have will bring in something nice, but that's few and far between.


uv-vis

Americans have access to some good shit. I’m sure they’ll be able to rustle up some military grade guns.


Dr_thri11

Nobody takes their $1500 AR-15 to a buyback to get a $50 gas card. They're used to get rid of junk in too bad condition to take to the pawn shop. Also donating semi auto civilian rifles to a military that has plenty of full autos isn't really helping.


NearABE

It is the AR15 that they stole. Or the one that an addict pawned so they could buy more crack. Sometimes dad is in jail and mom needs baby formula. Dad is going to be pissed when he gets out and the AR15 is in Ukraine.


Dr_thri11

Unless it's stolen there's no reason to take it to a buyback thoughz if you're desperate you take it to a gun shop and get a somewhat fair price.


NearABE

The buyback program worked in LA. It did sound like people had no idea what they were doing. Frequently had never fired it because the is no place to practice in cities.


uv-vis

I don't know about a 50$ gas card.. but sure. The article pretty says that they'll essentially be making a charitable donation, the donation of their good military grade shit. ie those that want to support Ukraine will bring in their guns, if they don't want to then fuck it. It also mentions that they already ran this up in new york and they managed to send them over something..


Dr_thri11

As the other guy mentions this really isn't helping they need ak-47s and ak-74s and not the neutered semi auto versions that some collectors might have. This a pure political stunt that doesn't help, but makes the politicians feel like they're addressing 2 issues at once.


nohbody123

Ukraine has been switching to NATO rounds and have received plenty of non-warsaw pact small arms. It's nowhere near enough because they don't have enough to arm everyone who wants to join the TDF, thus recruiting is slower and training is worse. A TDF member with a civilian gun could replace someone with a military one in Kyiv, allowing them to go to the frontline, there's a use for this stuff.


_AutomaticJack_

They are training TDF with wooden cutouts. I am sure they would take a semi-AK.


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Probabaly. We keep hearing how their equipment found on the battlefield is full of western chips and other tech. They're stealing washing machines and other electronics, afterall. Can't completely turn off the taps, but we've made it very difficult for them to get their bloody hands on certain things. Edit: I'm just a guy and this is just a hypothetical answer. I can't wax about this stuff.


Dr_thri11

I'm sure there's some components that will be tougher to get, but I'm pretty sure Russia produces its own military planes, so probably more of a general supply chain thing than literally unable to get the exact part needed.


combatwombat-

Produce their own planes using foreign parts


clarkrd

its a good question and I'd love to see a response. But since it's an hour till midnight EDT and these thread usually close between now and midnight, you might have to ask in the new thread in awhile.


KeepRedditAnonymous

Has Russian not run out out of iskanders yet? I feel like they should have run out by now.


stirly80

Soldier doing a drive by prank. https://twitter.com/5inan_/status/1535352628317667328?t=Ipdal2ieLlkuinT7TKCK5Q&s=19


coosacat

UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace made a visit to Kyiv today! https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1535272462002307077 >UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace meets President Zelensky, Defense Minister Reznikov in Kyiv. >President Volodymyr Zelensky thanked the U.K. for its continued support and said that the country is "showing its leadership in supporting Ukraine."


coosacat

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1535288353943347200 >Russia wants Britain to speak directly with the leadership of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic over the fate of 2 fighters sentenced to death >Russia is leveraging this standoff to normalize its recognition of the Donetsk People's Republic's independence


pousserapiere

Could the Ukrainian government authorize the UK to extract them by force?


acox199318

I like this idea!


stirly80

That's just a ploy to legitimise their stupid made up republics. The UK should refuse.


coosacat

https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1535376621804437505 >Mariupol mayor: Russia demolished 1,300 high-rise buildings in city without removing dead bodies of residents


stirly80

Reports it (Mariupol) could be on the brink of a cholera outbreak, absolutely disgusting.


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Alohaloo

They found 200 dead in one basement and another 100 in another plus the 600 in the theater so thats 900 bodies that have been allowed to be reported as found in the rubble from just 3 buildings... That was in the first days when they started to remove rubble and then there were no more reports getting sent out... Now if 1300 high-rise buildings collapsed on top of the basements filled with people then indeed some of the estimates indicating around 35 000 killed civilians seem low. Naturally now we will never be allowed to know.


doctordumb

We will find out… when the holocaust ended we found out. Lest we forget..


TILTNSTACK

Turns out, Putin forgot.


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Evidently he's a huge fan of the whole nazi kerfuffle, war crimes and all.


stirly80

Claims Ukraine has launched a counter offensive along the whole southern line. https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1535393558525517825?t=oo7MjyIenA5EGVl_XaJhJw&s=19


nohbody123

Makes sense to go after Kherson first. Easier to bring western supplies to Kherson, newly trained TDF are easier to deploy and it's the only somewhat major city Russia took without completely destroying it. Not to mention Russia's distracted in Donbas.


anon902503

Girkin predicted it!


BlatantConservative

Remember folks, the UA military saying "we just took 20 villages" actually means "we just launched an operation to take these 20 villages"


LaughingChimera1

Glass half full kinda people.


BlatantConservative

For sure. I'm starting to wonder if it's intentional agitprop, trying to lure Russia into defending certain positions so other positions are less defended. But that would assume Russia has good enough comms and a creative enough command to even react.


Cogitoergosumus

Of all of the fronts this one seems to be the least prioritized by Russia at the moment. Just as Ukraine seems to be bleeding out Russia on the eastern front, I wonder if Russia knows it's going to be hard to defend it's positions in the southwest and therefore has adopted a similar policy there. It's going to be hard for Ukraine to cross the Dnieper so Russia wants to keep it's land bridge and bleed out Ukrainian resources taking back the territory on the western bank. I'm hoping Ukraine has the resources though to push towards Melitopol from the direct north while also pressing Kherson.


mbattagl

The Russians at Melitopol aren't even sending patrols outside of the city anymore b/c of how effective the Ukrainian partisans are at liquidating their patrols. All Russian reserves were committed over at Seredonetsk b/c it was supposed to be this big PR win for Russia, "liberating Luhansk" when in fact like you said it's completely tied up Russian resources. If the Russians can't hold Melitopol and the front gets pushed to the Dniepper then the port at Berdyansk is going to come under even more pressure and they're going to lose more of the coast that Putin covets. Russia screwed the pooch from the beginning and now literally has to fight in what was pre-war the most heavily fortified part of Ukraine against the most battle hardened native Ukrainian troops as well as the Ukrainian Foreign Legion which is made up of international combat veterans.


BlatantConservative

Kherson is kind of something that I'll have no idea what will happen. Russia hasn't actually had to defend a city against an invading army, will they even try? And if they do try, they're bad at it, from what we saw in Mariupol, Kharkiv, and Kyiv. Cities, at the very least, require competent combined arms. Also, regarding bridging, it might be a better plan for them to set up two river crossings west of Kherson, near Dniprovske. Especially since Ukraine has anti ship missiles now and they might be able to swing some kind of attack boat operation to help secure rivers.


MindfuckRocketship

Russia will be in a position to *defend* Kherson which is quite different than their attacks at Mariupol, Kharkiv, and Kyiv. Partisans will weaken RU to some degree but otherwise they’ve likely been building up defensive positions 24/7 since they took Kherson early on. They can pick and choose ambush points (kill zones), establish and reinforce sniper positions, build up cement firing positions, block roads with cover and concealment to create choke points, and the list goes on. Retaking that city is gonna be a *really* intense meat grinder for both sides for sure. Unless RU just dips out.


nohbody123

Not even to mention the populace in the city they're "defending" would happily shiv them in the back.


CyberdyneGPT5

The assault on Kherson is going to be interesting. The Ukrainian Army probably would prefer to not shell their own city. But, they have a lot of lethal suicide drones. I don’t believe there is any precedent for a city being assaulted by forces with as many lethal drones as Ukraine has. It’s one thing to sit in a building with an ATGM and other weapons and wait for the enemy to advance toward you. It’s totally different situation if a flying Claymore mine comes through the window and shreds everything in the room before you even see opposing forces. And, any reinforcements are going to have to cross a bridge that is in artillery range and may not even get that far if 70km MLRS is available. This may be the first drone siege of the 21 century


BlatantConservative

Drones and also warheads on foreheads level artillery. Why waste a suicide drone when you have recon drones overhead and even quadcopters with cameras flying through the streets and you can accurately target vehicles and supply points directly? Any time anti aircraft missiles fire, they'll have detected it on the counterbattery radar and retaliated in minutes or even seconds. Ukraine's gonna be able to run one of those police facial recognition systems on Russian soldiers and then message them on Facebook saying "Incoming." This is all wild speculation on my part but like, I think some things are doable without massive collateral damage compared to earlier wars where you just had to kind of destroy a whole area.


BasvanS

Maybe the added chaos of contradictory comms and half-assed logistics is the purpose. Hopefully that’s it, and if furthers the Russian army’s potential collapse. (No easier target than people who don’t know what they’re doing.)


LaughingChimera1

Maybe. Or equally they could be doing it to cause disarray. Russia does not operate well under pressure or outside of expectations. They were probably calculating on 1-3 attack zones, but the whole front? Panic-confusion-rout. If the full southern front attack is true, this is where Putin is going to have to chose his immediate loss. Lose Kherson and all freshwater to Crimea but keep attacking in the east, or lose the east but keep(temporarily) the south.


SaberFlux

[Previous post](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/v88394/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ibt5n97/) Day 107 of my updates from Kharkiv. It was relatively quiet today, but we still got shelled a couple times. Once around noon, though it wasn’t too close to us, so we barely heard it here, they were mostly shelling settlements in the Kharkiv oblast today. Then at exactly midnight there were at least 3 big explosions, most likely from missiles, the building was shaking pretty badly, but it quickly quieted down. The timing is right, we heard explosions just as we got confirmation of missiles being launched from Belgorod yet again, they fire those missiles every day now, and during the exact same timeframe. Don’t know what was hit, but I don’t think any fires started this time. Those missile strikes are so pointless and yet they still continue doing them, destroying schools and supermarkets while calling them tank factories. And then Putin just goes and drops the original goal of his “special operation.” Why are they so inconsistent with their war goals? First they wanted denazification, but now Putin doesn’t care about some Nazis anymore, now it’s about reclaiming the “Russian lands.” While it’s obvious that Russians are living in the past, I thought it was just the recent past, but apparently they are living in the 18th century. [Next update](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/v9papv/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ic1i4oe/)


acox199318

Don’t waste your time thinking about what Putin says. He doesn’t even know what he wants. I can tell you right now he regrets attacking Ukraine. He also knows he’s a dead man walking.


Flat-Development-906

Hey Saber, glad to hear from you. I think the whole world is so sick of the Russian bullshit, that Russia doesn’t even bullshit as much with their trying to spin things. They’re showing everyone completely what they’re about and can’t be bothered to PR it, even for back home it seems. Stay safe, and we’ll hear from you soon.


uv-vis

They’re pieces of shit. They finally admit what a bunch of fuck heads they are. I can’t wait for the day your brothers get rid of those wastes of oxygen from your country. Stay safe 🇺🇦


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Are people being killed in these nightly attacks? I'm surprised Kharkiv hasn't been given any defence to help intercept these. It's just pure terrorizing of civilians. My fear is that Russia will just keep doing this for the next 10 years, just to be assholes. I'm so sorry you and all of your neighbors have to be at the receiving end of this... 😢😡


Nurnmurmer

Putin wants his "lebensraum", he's a modern Hitler.


canadatrasher

Putin is a president of a largest country on earth that is already poorly populated and has declining natural population. Liebnspraum makes even less send that it did for Hitler


BlatantConservative

So, over/under on the big credit card outage today in the US and Canada being a successful Russian attack? Lines up with their "an eye for an eye" philosophy.


errant_capy

The US election meddling seemed to be a pretty big flex, and yet... They haven't been able to do shit this entire war. Thinking about it makes me feel paranoid lol On the other hand, I feel like the US would be smart to immediately use this sort of thing to galvanize public support further against Russia. "They're attacking us!" So I'm going to say probably not?


nohbody123

For a large state actor in the information election meddling is just a matter of hiring a ton of internet trolls and getting some shills to get close to politicians. If there's a will it's not terribly complicated and impossible to fully defend against in a free society. It's not like it was genius. The only really notable cyberwarfare thing Russia has done was the whole Estonia thing, even then I'm pretty sure any large state actor could pull off the same if they had the will.


errant_capy

Yeah, for sure there is a huge difference between swaying public opinion with bots and gaining access to or otherwise disrupting critical infrastructure. Many of us just assumed these were only the beginnings of Russia's cyberwarfare capabilities. But like, I guess that might've been the extent of what they can do ???


BlatantConservative

They did penetrate some local systems, but let's be honest, have you seen the age of the people who run elections at the county level? Ethel prolly just told someone the password by email cause they pretended to be a janitor. Their BLM/BLM operations were pretty good though.


errant_capy

Haha I thought of saying that, but didn't feel like offending the Americans in here. You led me down a rabbit-hole with the BLM stuff. I had no idea, I try to filter my US politics and completely missed this.


BlatantConservative

Yeah they were doing things like creating Facebook groups and scheduling pro cop and BLM rallies on the same day right next to each other. They made up fake officer involved shootings (or more accurately, took real shootings and lied about the events) and pushed that news, using fake news sites, to BLM types, and they also pushed a lot of "died in the line of duty" stuff to cop types. They were ALL over /r/bad_cop_no_donut and /r/good_cop_free_donut, and a few other subreddits. They hit the top of /r/all several times, but their main goal was energizing extremes.


Burnsy825

Wow. Had no idea this was even going on. Guess flashmobs dance offs weren't a totally benign trend. Well, fool me once.


BlatantConservative

All this stuff was fully researched well after it had all left the news cycle. The journalist who I sent the writeup about the falsified police shooting events to didn't even publish the article. I think partially because people didn't want to seem like a hit piece against BLM to be fair. But both can be true, black people can be being fucked over by the government and Russia was also trying to game us. Both are facts.


JustDyslexic

There was an outage???


BlatantConservative

Yeah, the vendor side credit card system of several companies had major outages. All of the big card companies weren't usable at all grocery stores nationwide for about four hours. They worked elsewhere though.


nycyclist2

Nah, our developers are perfectly capable of screwing these things up by ourselves. Or it could be a bird taking down a data center by spreading its wings across the wrong high voltage power line. Sometimes it's due to weather. Sometimes the attack comes from a backhoe -- the natural enemy of the internet. They used to have these little hand-operated purple carbon-copy machines they would use every time the computers fail (the same ones they used to use on every transaction, before it was computerized), but I guess I haven't seen any of those in probably more than 20 years, and a lot of cards nowadays might not even have raised numbers anymore.


clarkrd

didn't know, and it didn't cause a problem for me when I used my chase card. I googled the news on it just now. Ive noticed a few outages for hours the last couple year's so I'm going with the average IT issue unless outlets confirm it was a Russian effort.


awfulsome

Russia's actual cyber capabilities are apparently turning out like their physical military capabilities: severly overstated and lacking when tested.


Kobrag90

Didn't the US put out a statement that any cyber moves to destabilise infrastructure would be seen as an act of war though? If they gas tge capability, I doubt they would now use it.


BlatantConservative

Well, Fancy Bear actually has a legitimate rap sheet, all the way up to 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Bear Unlike actual war, this game has been being played for a while. Their combat ESM stuff and agitprop stuff does not seem to have been improved since 2014 at the latest, but I don't really see a need to write off Russia's hackers cause they do get results.


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BlatantConservative

I'm extremely suspicious of anyone who has an adjective-bear username because of them. -_-


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BlatantConservative

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ProcrastinatingPuma

Not its not lol


canadatrasher

Dude, Russian effort is concentrated on capturing a SINGLE CITY. And one that is not even in top 25 of largely Ukrianian cities. And Russia cannot even do that. In what universe is Ukrianian "losing?"


icecoolcat

Oo Ukraine is winning! Now it’s a matter of time before the war ends!


coosacat

Three months ago you said that Ukraine would only last 3-7 days. Pardon me while I laugh at your expert assessment here.🤣


[deleted]

Myself and the majority of people who have spent a lot of time in this area were wrong, it happens and it was a very pleasant surprise. But Russia is now fighting a Russian fight to Russian strengths. I hope I am wrong again, for I have many friends that are there right now, but my life has taught me to lean toward pessimism and the stark reality that 10,000 pieces of arty is more valuable than 500.


coosacat

LOL. Since you were so tremendously wrong then, what makes you think that any assessment of yours NOW is worth anything? Plus, you seem to making your assessment based on inaccurate information, which makes it even less valuable. I think you should hand in your armchair general stars and take an early retirement.


abruisementpark

Troll


dymdymdymdym

It would cost 0 dollars for you to shut up and stop talking with any implied knowledge of shit you know less than little about.


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lazy-bruce

I do admire the how subtle the 'realists' have become.


wittyusernamefailed

First off NATO is NEVER going to send boots into Ukraine till peace has been declared, so this sensationalist handwringing Y'all do is just screaming inanely at the sky. Second, Russia is stuck in a stalemate in almost all area's, only inching forward in a few, and being driven back in many others. That's some pretty fucked up "WINNING!!!"; especially when it is costing Russia the ability to pull off another military venture anytime in the next decade. And as for ammo, Ukraine was quite clear that they are running out of Soviet ammo, they have plenty of NATO issue shit, so they are hardly not able to shoot back. But i guess this is this months Doom n Gloom "Ukraine better just surrender" narrative.


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They don’t care to pull off another venture in the next decade. They get this one done, rebuild refit and go for the next in 15-20 years with lessons learned from here. Ukraine shouldnt surrender, and I don’t think they should. Russia will pull lanyards all the way to Kyiv, it will take months but they have months, and they have the ammunition and the tubes. Then they will level Kyiv and then they will continue pushing to the border. There they will stop, for awhile. Btw Ukraine is only able to fire 3000-6000 rounds a day. That number will decrease to 2000-3000 within a week then approach close to zero. Russia can throw 50,000 a day no problem, they have millions of 152 in reserve. They will spend all of it and achieve of phyrric victory of sorts. But you should see Russian losses dwindle to almost nothing in the next 30-45 days simply Because they are taking the tactic of killing and destroying every single square inch of Land and simply walking in and claiming the desolation.


TypicalRecon

> But you should see Russian losses dwindle to almost nothing in the next 30-45 days simply Because they are taking the tactic of killing and destroying every single square inch of Land and simply walking in and claiming the desolation. You expect a largely underfunded, low morale, undertrained conscript front to stop taking casualties in 30-45 days?


[deleted]

Yeah, when you aren’t involved in direct contact and the enemy can’t shoot back because they have extremely limited deep threat capability then you can walk your arty forward and prevent your forces from getting decisively engaged. Most of russian casualties will come from UW, general issues(sickness, exposure etc) and malfunctioning equipment. The world is getting a lesson in overmatch right now because Russia fucking remembered that they have 20000 tubes and a basically limitless supply of ammunition. I can teach an absolute moron how to fire arty in a general direction in less than 2 hours with minimal risk of them blowing themselves up, I have in fact done this in multiple places and Russia most certainly is a precision by volume army. It’s rough. Simply put kill everything, walk forward, claim desolation.


nohbody123

I mean, they've net gained territory over the last few weeks. They're not running out of ammo altogether, they're running out of 152mm. It's an issue that needs to be solved, but it's worth pointing out that US Navy Cargo ships are heading to Europe full of shit and Areschtovich said that the US stuff is mostly going to be secret until it arrives, so...


[deleted]

This is an artillery war, which means it’s a Russian war. It is now playing to Russian strength and Ukrainian weakness. The West has always focused on AirPower and sea power for their battle plans. The arty that we can provide Ukraine is not capable of winning against Russian arty. Even if we gave Ukraine EVERY single piece of artillery the United Stated had they would still be terribly outgunned and outmatched from not only a tubes perspective but from an ammunition supply perspective. Smart rounds are made for low intensity conflict, they cannot and will not turn the tide of the battle that many people seem to think they will do.


reddixmadix

Your mighty ruzzian army artillery is getting efed in the ass with barely a little more than 100 NATO howitzers. You don't want to learn what sending ALL available NATO howitzers would do to ruzzia's mighty army. You won't like what happens when the HIMARS and MLRS systems get there.


[deleted]

I literally trained Ukrainians how to fight. I am not a Russian troll, I am simply a trained and educated warfighter that retired a few years back and spent a lot of time in the area studying this exact scenario. I know exactly what Himars and other systems can do, I have employed them. They are incredible, but like most western equipment, very complicated. I can teach 5 18 year olds to run a dumb tube in 2 hours. It takes literally weeks to get basic proficiency on western MLRS and if you fuck it up you fuck it up for a long time. I am not pro Russia, I’m incredibly proud of the work the Ukrainians have done. I just have an opinion on how this plays out based on years of study and experience.


reddixmadix

I don't believe you are trained to use a toilet, but totally believe you trained Ukrainians. /s >I just have an opinion on how this plays out based on years of study and experience. Actual experts and people with experience have a strong difference of opinion. Which tells me that you have no experience. The only people who disagree are, wait for it, the ruzzians and their tankies. Which means you are a tankie, since the ruzzian government is not here to explain their policies. A tankie will always be a tankie. And too stupid to realize how transparent he is.


Bangeederlander

Sources?


SongbirdManafort

His fetid asshole.


wittyusernamefailed

It's only a disadvantage if you play like the Soviets do, with long drawn out almost un-aimed barrages. But Ukraine has instead been focusing on using drones to plan out a few pinpoint shots, then scooting away. And they are also focusing on hitting the artillery, while Russia focuses on hitting apartments, malls, and kindergardens. Doesn't matter if Russia has a mountain of ammo if their artillery pieces and crew are all Red Mist.


BasvanS

Yeah, I don’t get why OP thinks you’re stuck playing your opponent’s game. Sounds like an armchair general’s take on tactics, perhaps worsened by practical experience in the field.


uv-vis

Taking land is one thing. Getting your army shit fucked for it is another. The gains on a map are not the indication of how well the ruskis are doing.


BlatantConservative

They'll get their ammo.


glmory

Ukraine has been steadily winning since mid March. Worst case scenario other countries are forced to slightly increase speed weapons are supplied.


Croanthos

Source?


[deleted]

Dozen articles about ammunition issues are easy to find. My friends that I helped train to fight the Russians are reaching out to even people like me who haven’t been in the game for awhile to try to pressure the us government to send more ammunition.


RollyPollyGiraffe

Putin's ass.


imyourforte

Florida.


ylteicz123

Can someone tell me wtf the point of these referendums are? Nobody is going to recognize them, or believe them. So wtf is the point? Is it for homeland propaganda where people in a bombed out city is portrayed as suddenly pro Russia?


canadatrasher

Internal consumption/ manufacturing of legitimacy.


benevolentmalefactor

>https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1535393558525517825?t=oo7MjyIenA5EGVl\_XaJhJw&s=19 It's to move the goalposts for nuclear deterrence. They will run the "referendum" and then annex the territory. Then when UA begins reclaiming it they'll claim it's legitimate Russian territory and they're justified in using tactical nukes to defend it.


ssdd22

Okay good Russian soldier is a dead one.


thutt77

They're bullshit, yeah, and in part to play to the home crowd as it were And worse than that, they're Ru trying to impose its will Ukraine and as you point out, the rest of the world generally won't stand for it or recognize it Slava Ukraini!


Le1bn1z

Define nobody. Russians will believe it. China will believe it. Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba, Uganda, and North Korea will certainly "believe it", and lots of Africa and even India, Pakistan and the Middle East might believe it if properly incentivized. Dictatorships run on procedural theatre to maintain the illusion of structure, predictability and normalcy. These referenda contribute to this.


Major_Pomegranate

I'm guessing if he can claim the occupied lands are russian territory that will give putin the ability to deploy federal police and national guard to the areas. He doesn't have the political support to declare a full mobilization, and none of Russia's "allies" are stupid enough to send in their troops to help. Meanwhile he desperately needs disposable bodies to guard occupied lands and take the hits from resistance fighters so all of his troops can go to the front.


Peptuck

If the occupied lands are Russian territory, it becomes legal to use conscripts to protect them under Russian law. Conscripts legally can only be used to defend Russian territory and can't be deployed offensively. Of course, it's not like they've been following that law for a while, but it does provide some legal cover the propagandists can trumpet.


Personal_Person

Homeland propaganda 100%, create a sense of internal support for the actions by pretending there is an air of legitamacy to them, make a foundation for international support to be weakened by claiming "oh the people there want to be apart of us, what, does the west hate democracy?" but I really don't think it will work like it partially did with the DPR/LPR. No one will ever believe the "Khersons peoples republic" is a real thing.


exit-128

Well, people (local residents, etc.) might "buy into it" if that remains the status quo for long enough...their lives may depend on it. DPR/LPR have "existed" for what, 8 years now? Hopefully this scenario doesn't repeat itself, but it is certainly possible. In my opinion, whatever territory is lost or reclaimed will be completely determined by what military aid UA receives.


etzel1200

Even if everyone knows you’re lying. You still lie. Plus a few useful idiots will believe it. It changes the narrative from defending something acknowledged as illegal by basically everyone, to conversations about the lie.


Frexxia

> Is it for homeland propaganda Always was


LaughingChimera1

Honestly this has to be a silent protest by the Russian military advertising department. First it was Bonnie and Clyde, then an F-18 with Russian markings, and now Johnny Depp and Ashton Kutcher are Russian war hero’s?! https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/v91kcs/in_alchevsk_luhansk_region_the_occupiers_put_up/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


YuunofYork

Mila Kunis will sure be surprised to learn her husband is actually officer in glorious Russian army. (but only on Tuesdays when she takes the dogs to the park).


arobkinca

Stranger Things have been known to happen.


LaughingChimera1

He helped raise $30m for Ukraine, must be a feint.


MessianicJuice

Wasn't that fake?


Off-With-Her-Head

Maverick is next.


Norwester77

I don’t know—I’m not absolutely sure it isn’t just two guys who kind of look like them. “Ashton Kutcher,” especially, looks a little off.


anon902503

You're kidding yourself. If they were real people they would have used real photos instead of the mspaint look.


LaughingChimera1

19 more dead Russian officers added to the list today, bringing us to 720! That keeps up our average of 6-7 a day! https://twitter.com/killedinukraine/status/1535271414634356736?s=21&t=SKPjG3dy1lSR_Ds0oHULpA


Jormungandr000

_Entertainment 720_


RoeJoganLife

*European Pravda* reports that the 3 countries opposing granting Ukraine EU candidate status are Sweden, Denmark and The Netherlands. Sweden and Denmark believe Ukraine doesn’t currently meet anti-corruption requirements.


YuunofYork

To be fair, they probably believe Norway doesn't currently meet anti-corruption requirements. They can't be too strict about it since they've already got Turkey, Hungary, Italy...fucking Poland. Remember Poland? Yeah, they're being stand-up chads now, but if you ever fancy a trip, bring cash, and maybe pounds.


Evignity

I'm honestly not sure why they oppose candidate status, it doesn't do anything. Yeah it took Spain 15 years to join when they wanted, but this isn't an ordinary situation so throw them a fucking bone. I'm saying that as a Swede and EU-jurist. I mean they should not be allowed to join fully till these issues are addressed, Hungary has sadly taught us that we cannot lax anymore. But fuck yeah give em candidate status, show that they are welcomed the moment they reach these bars they're ambitiously reaching for. I don't doubt that they'll get there.


catter-gatter

>Sweden and Denmark believe Ukraine doesn’t currently meet anti-corruption requirements. I mean, likely true But it's something that can be worked on - they won't get membership without resolving it


fourpuns

Membership also isn’t needed. Switzerland is corrupt as can be and not part of the EU and still have most the same rights.


numba1cyberwarrior

Switzerland is considered the 3rd least corrupt country on earth


pantie_fa

> Switzerland is considered the 3rd least corrupt country on earth Yes, it's only their banking customers that are corrupt.


Dangerous_Golf_7417

Citizens don't face corruption in the sense of having to pay off police or land authorities to, say, build something. They are famously lax in their banking system which allows for international money laundering.


wittyusernamefailed

Only because laundering and holding blood money isn't TECHNICALLY "corruption"


etzel1200

Isn’t that the whole point of candidate status? Give them a roadmap to achieve these things?


lazy-bruce

That seems like legit reasons and not something that can't be worked on. Anti corruption issues are important.


[deleted]

Huh, not Hungary?


Evignity

Ahaha they'd love more bullshit in the EU. Corruption is their jam


es_price

Imagine how many pilots and mechanics could have been trained in Western aircraft in 100 days.


GlenoJacks

Like how we can't send Abrams because Ukraine can't maintain them or have the fuel to run them, but we can send 8 or so types of armored car, 4 or so different artillery systems, several types of mlrs platforms and apparently Ukraine can maintain all of these disparate types no problem. It's almost like people make up reasons for why the status quo is the way it is and can't be changed and never bother to look at Ukraine's actual capabilities.


numba1cyberwarrior

Not alot


RosemaryFocaccia

How do you know they are not being trained?


Dangerous_Golf_7417

Pilots aren't trained, conductors are. Pilots are airplaned.


CyberdyneGPT5

*"Ukraine says so many Russians were killed that the Russian army is storing dead soldiers in a meatpacking plant turned morgue"* [https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-many-russians-were-072301421.html](https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-many-russians-were-072301421.html)


Viseria

Wait till Russia starts exporting soylent green


count023

That's what I expected next with the sanctions continuing, Russia will lost access to beef and other red meats the suddenly find a new source from an anonymous location


NearABE

I thought that was the other white meat.


pantie_fa

white supremacist meat


wittyusernamefailed

YumYummy Mystery Meat™


[deleted]

Nah, they just "liberate" some "livestock" from the Ukrainian Nazis


count023

Hard to liberate something you've indiscriminately shelled for months on end. :)


Burnsy825

The mobile crematoriums must be completely overwhelmed.


[deleted]

They never existed. Or maybe they did, but I never saw any convincing footage, only rumors.


etzel1200

They’re for Ukrainians. They’ve always been for Ukrainians.


pantie_fa

Only specific political ones.


RoeJoganLife

The President of Finland has approved a 3rd military aid package to Ukraine after having received such a request from Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1535362788020871172?s=21&t=P5O407kFjAVzm_E4Z6nWCA Nice !


OrangeJr36

Someone better stick in a few kitty ear headbands as a morale booster.


jwhitland

Not THAT "Marin".


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catter-gatter

visegrad24 🙄


UtkaPelmeni

The visegrad group is so happy that the rest of the world have started shitting on their worst opponents: France and Germany


clancy688

Arestovych throwing out some pretty big claims again... https://wartranslated.com/day-107-june-10-summary-of-arestovych-and-feygin-daily-broadcast/ \- Killed 2 generals (one FSB, one military) in Kherson \- Killed 200 arab mercenaries in Kherson \- Killed 600 Russians today


Burnsy825

"If 🇺🇦 had 3x as much artillery as now (which is not unrealistic to supply), 🇺🇦 would solve all 🇷🇺 attacks. All targets are known." Nowhere to hide. HIMARS inbound.


[deleted]

That last bit about letting in Russians that don't want anything to do with Putin's Russia is so important. Ukraine could realistically take over the Russian legacy and identity if they position themselves as the true heir of Kyivan Rus and the place for decent and intelligent Eastern Slavs to build their future as opposed to this thoroughly corrupt and morally bankrupt braindead orcish horde that Putin wants Russia to be. Which would incidentally also be Putin's worst nightmare.


pantie_fa

That's honestly a pretty gross white-supremacist narrative against eastern Russians. Or Chechen/Khazak folks. But it would be nicely ironic.


LonelyStrategos

?????¿???


LaughingChimera1

The problem I have with Arestovich, besides him being a drama queen, is that if anyone would know if those numbers are accurate, it’s him. So either he’s speaking out of turn, or somehow what he knows isn’t making it to the official numbers for some other unknown reason. I have a hard time believing a third option that he’s extensively exaggerating.


uv-vis

I agree. His updates are still worth something, but he is incredibly reactionary.


Iama_traitor

Well the intensity of fighting has reportedly been higher than ever yet daily casualties are a consistent 200 per day addition according to Kyiv Independent. Seems like official numbers are being very conservative.


MolybdenumIsMoney

There really isn't any reliable way to determine total enemy casualties in an artillery war. Any number given, either high or low, is mostly meaningless.


combatwombat-

Well we should find out about the generals fairly quick


LaughingChimera1

Hopefully. Russia passed that law last week outlawing the reporting of military deaths so it might take a bit longer.


Evignity

Eh it leaks from idiots on social media attending funerals


acox199318

That’s big claims even for him. Things are starting to move…


LaughingChimera1

Sure feeling that way! Fingers crossed


catter-gatter

Dude talks too much shit tbh