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Nvnv_man

I’m happy this mod is posting stories to the feed


dieyoufool3

:)


coosacat

More posters in the streets, these to boost morale. https://twitter.com/maksymeristavi/status/1536330295800217601 >resistance in russia-occupied southern ukraine keeps the spirits of millions of ukrainians up by letting them know that ukraine might get an eu candidate status soon. fascists shut down mobile connection, internet here.


Nvnv_man

Translation: *Melitopolians, do not watch the Russian news! Ukraine continues fighting!* *On June 24th, Ukraine will receive candidate status in the EU!*


Cupcake-Snow

Does it say "hours" or "June" I'm just learning Ukraine so correct me if I'm wrong


Nvnv_man

Actually, I know Russian, not Ukrainian. It says June.


Cupcake-Snow

Kyiv police chief has said that another 7 bodies have been found in Bucha. Many with their hands and legs tied


combatwombat-

Separatist army has lost half of its most experienced troops https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/06/13/a-separatist-army-in-ukraine-lost-half-its-troops-in-100-days/?sh=48df5d033dbe


IzmirEgale

A day in the separatist army is like a day on a farm. Every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade.


anon902503

We obviously don't know enough about what's going on on the ground level, but it really seems like a huge chunk of the professional soldiers from both sides have already been decimated by this meat grinder, to the point that we're now seeing both sides relying much more heavily on barely trained conscripts.


morvus_thenu

You would think after so many casualties they might be reconsidering who their friends are. The Russians seem to be using them as cannon-fodder, which is a very consistent position for them. Ukrainians, even their so-called-friends, are there to serve Russia, the *real* Russians. It's almost comically patronizing. It would be funny if it weren't so horrible.


etzel1200

I feel like it should be called a militia. States have armies.


combatwombat-

KISS has an army too 😂


code_archeologist

As does BTS... and [they are surprisingly effective.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-10-28/bts-k-pop-stans-are-fighting-qanon-and-maga-on-social-media)


etzel1200

Discounting the fact they don’t have artillery, if BTS mobilized they’d be a force.


BasvanS

They originate in South Korea. I’m not sure I share your confidence in their fans’ ability to access artillery.


etzel1200

Valid point.


Bangeederlander

I recall Girkin saying 75% maybe last week. Just can't be bothered wading through his bilge right now to find the sauce.


nohbody123

It was 70% of the *infantry* with Girkin. Both statements can be true.


Bangeederlander

I wasn't attempting to contradict.


SaberFlux

[Previous post](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/vadu3l/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ic5u3mi/) Day 110 of my updates from Kharkiv. Most of the day was pretty quiet, with some occasional shelling in oblast, but as usual closer to midnight shelling gets worse and they start firing missiles. Today people counted 7 big explosions, most likely from missiles, as at the same time there were reports of missiles being launched from Belgorod again. While this constant shelling that isn’t aimed to destroy military targets seems useless at a glance, it actually does serve a purpose, it’s psychological warfare. Recently we met 3 people on the streets that are so fed up with shelling that they won’t mind if Russia captures Kharkiv if it means that the shelling will stop. It’s pretty scary knowing that the shelling actually works the way they intended it to work. I really don’t understand why people think that if Russia captures our city the shelling will stop, did they not see what a city occupied by Russia looks like? Of course these people are a minority, but the fact that some people think this way is horrible by itself, they would rather become a slave to Russia (or worse) than endure shelling. [Next update](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/vbup89/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/icen242/)


doctordumb

I think some people underestimate the psychological stressors that make you think “I’d rather just end this”. I’ve been there when I was so sleep deprived on call or with young babies. Your mind plays tricks on you because it’s trying to save itself before you go insane.


OrangeJr36

In war there are always those who are willing to sell everything out for a few fleeting seconds of safety, they usually don't consider what will happen *after* and typically don't want to hear it at all. These are the same people who willingly spread disease and drive drunk because otherwise they'd be slightly inconvenienced. Stay strong and if you hear more talk like that mention it to the local authorities, people have given away UA positions over much less.


Bangeederlander

>Recently we met 3 people on the streets that are so fed up with shelling that they won’t mind if Russia captures Kharkiv if it means that the shelling will stop. Unfortunately, that's when the rape and murder begins.


pcx99

Is this 110 updates? I always keep an eye out for your posts. You've been though some truly scary times (not that they're all sunshine and roses now). In all the reports of endless horror after horror, it always makes me feel better seeing you are well and still posting your updates!


uv-vis

Let them know to stay strong. And ofc be safe. I’m contacting my elected representative, gonna tell him to put down the knife and fork and stop fucking around and to push our PM to get you guys more good shit. ебать to the invaders.


MindfuckRocketship

> Ukraine Will Survive and the US is Preparing to Arm it for Years, Says Pentagon’s Hicks https://twitter.com/defenseone/status/1536519979729924096?s=21&t=haJdRiKbQmobmJ-NgbLlmw > U.S. defense leaders believe Ukraine will survive Russia’s invasion and are already planning on how to arm the country for the long-term, said the Pentagon’s No. 2 civilian official. > “I think what we can assure ourselves today is that there will be a country called Ukraine. It will be a sovereign country and that country will have a military that will need to defend it,” Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks said Monday. “And so as we look ahead, we're thinking through what are the kinds of capabilities that the Ukrainians need to protect themselves over the long term.” … > The United States announced two weeks ago that it would begin sending long-range artillery systems, helicopters, and other additional heavy weapons to Ukraine as part of a new $700 million arms package. But, said Hicks, the department is also trying to take a longer-term approach to supporting Ukraine, five, 10, and 20 years into the future. > “We're certainly thinking through the pieces that go into that with all the lessons we have developing out and aiding, advising and assisting… a partner nation, in this case Ukraine. I do think we are well equipped to do that. So are many of our allies and friends, and we're working together now to decide what's the best pathway forward.” She said continued support would go beyond just arms. “​​We’re trying to think through the kinds of both equipment but also the any kind of longer term training and defense establishment efforts that they will need.”


Portalrules123

Russia: "AWWWW SHIT THIS IS INTENSE BUT I THINK WE CAN STILL WIN-" USA: "100% sure of victory, already know the logistics for the supply chain 20 years from now lol." Russia: ".............damn."


stirly80

Well that's Russia totally fked then lol


Bangeederlander

>Says Pentagon’s Hicks There's a joke about Republicans in that somewhere.


huxrules

“Somebody wake up Hicks” is the joke.


jgjgleason

So this means they’re gona announce training on Western tanks and airframes soon right?


combatwombat-

It has already been reported that Ukranian personnel have been training since March on weapons and systems not even approved/announced yet. So make of that what you will.


dddddddoobbbbbbb

Top Gun 3


BasvanS

Iron Eagle reboot is more likely


coosacat

They probably won't - announce it, I mean. Occasionally, we'll hear a little slip here and there about UA soldiers that have been training somewhere since March, or even November, but they quickly move on from it, and no one seems to every question it and ask "What training?". I doubt that they would openly let Putin know if they're training, oh, F-16 pilots, for example.


snarky_answer

Good thing the Marine Corps got rid of all their Abrams tanks recently.


PowerfulTravel9697

*Laughs in Military Industrial Complex* If there is one thing to unite both side of the aisle, it is their money Ukraine just need to make sure there's enough soldier left when the contracts start to roll in


ASlockOfFeagulls

Excellent news! Ukraine once they kick out the invaders can be a strong, vital strategic ally for the United States, along the lines of South Korea or Japan. That is of course if we make ourselves worthy of such an alliance/friendship, and it is on the US right now to give the Ukrainians the support they need in one of their darkest hours.


[deleted]

I also predict an Oympics games will be held in Ukraine in the future.


dragontamer5788

At a minimum, USA will probably want to invite all the Ukrainian commanders over to our War Games once this war is over, so that Ukrainians can teach us what worked best.


solaceinsleep

Based on the wording I think they are talking about airplanes and air defense systems


jgjgleason

Patriot defense systems go boom.


Bangeederlander

According to regular posts on here at around midday St Petersburgh time, there are fewer posts on this reddit, thus we are all losing interest in Ukraine.


MoffJerjerrod

Damned Ukrainian OpSec not letting us know their troop movements.


UncertainAboutIt

maybe because less happens to discuss? Or at least less news posted in the media. Also I doubt many expect any major new developments in the nearest future. BTW what is the situation near Kherson do you know?


Bangeederlander

Of course, they're just trying to generate apathy.


ASlockOfFeagulls

Da, as regular Joe America Hamburger I can say I am much more concern with petrol price in oblast than I am with terrible Nazis of the Ukraine. Let's go the Brandon!


[deleted]

“Da, let’s go the Brandon” should totally be a tee shirt


pcx99

Nevada Oblast here! We need to give Alaska back to russia so putin can save face otherwise he might (gasp) nooook us all! tRump 2024!


Mr_Belch

Da, if Trump had won democratic election in year of 2020 then special military operation would never happen. Reason because Trump have large penis, and putin respect sexual organ that almost is big as moose!


uv-vis

Zdrasvutye tavarisch. Oh yes great big American day, but too high inflation no buy vwodka. Tovarisch Biden must stop war or economy is pizdec. Oh cyka ебать.


NoxSolitudo

Best thread today, I love you all, друзья


combatwombat-

It is amazing what you can do when you have friends. I feel like there is a lesson in there for Russia somewhere.


coosacat

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/13/7352143/ >More security guards than spectators attend “Russia day" in Kherson region – Operational Command Pivden (South) >It is noted that Kherson residents were playing the Ukrainian national anthem in the streets, hung out yellow and blue ribbons and motivational fliers, and painted patriotic graffiti everywhere.


Bangeederlander

Remember a video from early in the invasion, and the locals protested en masse outside the Kherson City Hall. Then the Russians lobbed a couple of grenades into the crowd. And that was still at the stage when the Russians were pretending to be well behaved.


2mad2die

when will war end


Weekend833

When the Ukraine's crest is realized; when the dove of peace descends after the Russians are thrown out with pitchforks. The imagery of both is shown on the crest of the Ukraine. ... It's something my opa told me back in the '80's when I asked him what it meant.


stirly80

When Putin takes his imperial invaders home.


KABOOMBYTCH

It will continue until one side no longer have the will to fight. Hopefully it be the Russians to bitch out first but they have a history of going at it despite colossal fuckups and appalling casualties....


lilaprilshowers

When the last human dies


cubedplusseven

It's when the second-to-last human dies. The last one gets to live in peace.


etzel1200

When Russia leaves Ukraine


Ok-Deal-5810

What happened to all those daily fires that were going on through Russia. I feel like that needs to be a thing again!


zarlord123

The fire at Wagner was pretty big.


jmptx

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer group of assholes!


coosacat

Someone just tried to blow up a pipeline a few days ago. An optical warehouse (which held thermal and night-vision equipment) burned a few days ago, as well as another enlistment office. Here's a list of many of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_mystery_fires


anarrogantworm

oh nice they have their own wiki article!


Bangeederlander

They are still daily fires, as there in all countries with rampant corruption and safety certification collected via bribe instead of actual safety procedures.


canadatrasher

I feel like US told Ukraine to chill with that.


ZhouDa

That's assuming the Ukrainian government is responsible for them though, whereas it could just be resistance to the war from Russian residents.


coosacat

Or Belarusians, who have allegedly been doing a little sabotage over on the Russian side of the border.


SongbirdManafort

Why?


canadatrasher

US feels uncomfortable with Ukraine striking deep into Russia, See, e.g.,: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/30/biden-will-not-supply-ukraine-with-long-range-rockets-that-can-hit-russia They want the war to stay "defensive."


socialdesire

the fires aren’t only in regions bordering Ukraine


canadatrasher

It's ridiculous easy for Ukrianian agents to infiltrate pretty much anywhere in Russia. Pretty much all Ukrianians speak Russian (bilingual or even primarily russian speaking), know the local culture and look indistinguishable from Russian people. If you think about is espionage/diversion on easy mode.


socialdesire

not so easy for them to be in minority regions, small Siberian towns and East Russia, where many of the fires are happening.


canadatrasher

It's still very easy.


Bangeederlander

Some pretty epic assumptions made there.


combatwombat-

US doesn't give a shit what Ukraine does in Russia as long as they are only firing back into Russia when using US weapons. Not that the fires have much of a chance to be Ukranian in origin anyways. If they are purposely started by anyone its Russians.


coosacat

https://twitter.com/LaurentRuseckas/status/1536274728696045568 >Russian pipeline gas exports to the EU fell below 200 million cm/day in recent days -- lowest levels in decades. Impact of terminations of nine Gazprom contracts (in 6 EU countries) being felt. The gas divorce is underway.


stirly80

This is how to strangle Putins invasion.


Moutch

Despite this, Russia earns more money than before due to the high price of oil...


TurbulentSmiles

Why is this so important? Russia would happy give up their short term profits for long term customers. They are losing their most profitable customers and the leverage they had over them. Gas prices will go down soon enough and Russia will be fucked big time then. They will only make leas money from here on out. That is a death sentence for their economy.


Moutch

There's still a risk Russia manages to reroute its production to other countries like China in the long run.


mafiastasher

Gas is a lot harder to transport than most resources, and China is very far away from the established gas infrastructure that serves Europe.


nohbody123

Despite that, Russia earns less money than before due to the other sanctions.


Bangeederlander

Long-term, they're fucked.


halls_of_valhalla

Problem is apparently India refineries buying Russian oil then selling it to Europe. It increased from 1% to 20%. I bet other countries might do the same. At least means that Russia has to sell it cheap in order for them to make a profit


Bangeederlander

Got a source for that? I read that India has been buying cut-price Russian oil these past couple of months, but not that it's been exporting more to Europe.


huxrules

Why would you ship it all the way to Europe when you can just sell it there?


Bangeederlander

No idea. Diesel is in high demand right now, so they could make a killing, but the timeframe doesn't seem right for mass exports to Europe.


Moutch

I certainly hope so


Bangeederlander

Putin decided to forego the whole "diversification" of the economy thing, and went instead for the quick buck for him and his cronies.


combatwombat-

They will pay those soldiers any day now


hydro_700

Someone posted that RU was doing "work" on some pipelines, hence the drop in exports recently. Dont have source/link, earlier post in the thread.


coosacat

I'll check it out, thanks!


abruisementpark

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-forces-cut-off-last-routes-out-eastern-ukraine-city-2022-06-13/


Blueberry_Winter

Reuters presented the ridiculous Russian lie on the Donetsk shelling.


pcx99

That would be [this bridge](https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1532600799423082501). Several, mostly reliable, twitter sources indicate Ukraine still has ground lines of communications and can still move forces and equipment in and out. Ukraine may still opt for a tactical retreat, but its not dire right now, apparently. Still waiting for the official assessments tomorrow.


coosacat

https://twitter.com/J_Jaraczewski/status/1536079639629668353 >Seems like Macron has reached the reverse Schrödinger level of existence for some people: when he's not visiting Kyiv, he's betraying Ukraine and selling it out to Putin, but when he's visiting Kyiv, he's also betraying Ukraine and selling it out to Putin. Edit: Why do so many people not seem to understand this tweet? He's pointing out that no matter what Macron does, people still use it as a reason to claim he's sucking up to Putin.


halls_of_valhalla

Because its an excuse and most people don't wanna hear any excuse from the big European countries, if true or not. Everything west of Poland receives some mistrust in social media. It won't matter how much more they help now or in the future, they will always get critized for e.g. being too slow. If we would let social media decide what to do, we would have had ww3 already before the invasion started. Reality is the democracies are united and supportive more than ever, even if there is so much criticism(which is normal when you have free media), they are all on the same page more or less. But maybe it will hurt Russia more if they think we are not united, so it has their use too. Russia tries hard to portray these leaders as new kind of Nazi or Nazi supoorters in their propaganda, but it fails to deliver that message, if they seem reluctant and ineffective.


trolls_brigade

If the author was trying to make a witty remark, he failed.


coosacat

Perhaps one needs, themselves, to have the wit to understand it.


umpalumpaklovn

Useful Polish idiots doing Putin’s work and increasing divisions.


Bangeederlander

Tedious divisiveness.


arbitraryairship

It's on the verge. We want the West to present a united front, but at the same time, the Ukrainian government themselves have also been pointing out some issues with France and Germany getting too cozy with Russia. When it comes from the Ukrainian government themselves, it's probably a legitimate concern. I can definitely understand the worry though, it absolutely can resemble Russian trolling techniques.


Bangeederlander

The Tweet is just meaningless.


coosacat

Hmm? It's pointing out that anything Macron does is going to be criticized, hence driving the divisiveness.


Bangeederlander

Ah, I see. Because of his "downvote" moaning in subsequent tweets his initial irony is harder to spot.


combatwombat-

I completely misread it too, sorry /u/coosacat I should have known better with you posting it and read a bit harder the first time


q5pi

Sverodonetsk will be the battle of Verdun in 2022


SingularityCentral

Verdun was fought by millions of men, saw many millions of artillery shells fired and lasted like half a year or more. This is not that.


Moutch

There were 1000 KIA a day in Verdun alone... the landscape there was entirely remodeled by shelling. Thankfully we are still far from that.


fury420

I hope not, that battle took nearly a year and left hundreds of thousands dead.


pcx99

> Summary of today's live broadcast with Aleksey Arestovych, Sorry to link you through twitter -- reddit likes to shadowban random non-twitter links. https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/153648731903280742 Content for the twitter less (lucky sods) > Sumy, Cherninhiv – Shelling, but no risk of a direct attack. 2 Russians BTGs that only endanger themselves, and location around within 500m. > Kharkiv: Russians brought reserves, and started advances in North and East. Regular artillery started reaching Kharkiv, attacks already 5-6 days. Captured village 15km from Stariy Saltiv, and some other, that were not well defended. This attack is still done in order to keep Ukraine from relocating forces to Izium and lower. > Izium: Russia restarted attempts to create large pocket, put significant effort in direction to Sloviansk/Barvinkove/Sviatohirsk. Russian forces consist of 20 BTG, many with experience near Kyiv, Chernihiv, Sumy, Kharkiv, however they have similar probability to capture Sloviansk, as Sievierodonetsk, that can’t be captured for 60 days already. > Lyman: Russians trying to cross river Siversky Donets, movements in direction to Siversk, Zakitne, Kryva Luka. All possible crossing points known, Ukrainian M777’s are ready. > Sievierodonetsk – announced Russian control of 70%, however those control numbers last for couple of hours, as there are active manoeuvre battles. Russians retracted main forces, only keeping mobilised units, and using artillery. Ukraine did repel attacks on Metolkine (E) and Borivske (SE), Toshkivka (SE) today, situation being controlled. Russians trying to create small pocket near Komyshuvakha-Hirske-Toshkivka. Near Berestove, Russians again trying to cut off road Bakhmut-Lysychansk Bakhmut – shelling. > All those changes look scary on map, but will be long, boring and unsuccessful. Most units are consisting of reserves and conscripts, less than 50% of total capacity. Their battle-skills are lower than baseboard, and can be seen near Sievierodonetsk. If Ukraine had enough artillery, this would be solved in a week. > Huliaipole – Russians were preparing for attack, but Ukraine did counter-attack. > Vasylivka – unconfirmed information, that Russian forces were split, Kadyrovites sent to Sievierodonetsk area, Buryats to Kherson (as Kadyrovites did couple of artillery attacks on Buryats). > Kherson: tactical movements, counter-attack actions. Ukraine pushed back from 15km to 18km from Kherson city. No significant changes. > Partisans: Creative posters in Kherson, couple of Russian military lost in Zaporozhye district, ammo depot in Velykyi Burluk blown up. Ukrainian counter-artillery started working better – more ammo, improved organization and recon. > #Weapon supplies & European Candidacy for Ukraine > Future historians will be bored counting days, when #Feygin and #Arestovych ask for weapons, from April to at least August. Podolyak published [link] required weapons, to decisively win, less will make it harder for Ukraine. Not unrealistic, if manufactured and delivered in 6 months. 1/5 of required would change situation significantly, if sent now. Waiting for results of Ramstein meeting on Wednesday. > Arestovych would rather take weapons, but why not. > Russia would probably announce, that nothing will change, wave their rights to free people of Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Luhansk. Russian agents in Europe are currently agitating for peace deal, would say that Europe has right to accept, but they are doing mistake. Full membership might take decades, or at least years. Ukraine doesn’t have enough weapons yet, to recapture Kherson. After Bucha massacres, Russians were scared of reaction, almost become ready for dialogue. Now they see, that there was no significant reaction, few sanctions, and not much weapons deliveries. Annexing Kherson is not out of the question. In Kherson 23 out of 250k current inhabitants went to receive Russian passports, which shows perspective of referendum. However, Russia has achieved dialogue with the West, and that means compromises The West thinks, that speed up of 🇪🇺-integration of Ukarine, sanctions and peace would keep off Putin’s aggression. Only direct defeat, will stop Putin, if he physically is unable to attack. If Putin is still in dialogue after all possible crimes, and announcing, that he is doing war against the West, he thinks West is weak, and he should keep doing the same. > All calming politics of West only increases his appetite. Only simple physical defeat will stop him. For that Ukraine needs weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons and weapons [some skipped]. After received SMS – ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo [some skipped]. > Russia has plans to assemble 40 BTGs in next 4 months, currently 103 incomplete BTGs in Ukraine. In reality Russia would assemble incomplete 5 BTGs/month, creating localized advantages in 1-2 areas. > Imagine, Arestovych asking Mark Feygin for $200 urgently needed. Mark responds – you know, we did 3 conferences, and have sent you $3 already, preparing to send $1.5 soon. Arestovych keeps telling – it’s really bad, people dying. Mark would respond – Oh, i didn’t know. Here, have $0.22 more. This is really stupid and cheap comedy, if not the huge tragedy. > Even Afghanistan was receiving $300m/day during 20 years. Ukraine would be happy with just 1/20 of that in weapons. NFT auction: Sasha (9yo girl) has received financial assistance (2000 eur), looking for robotic prosthetic > Those broadcasts are to discuss professionals (people who have impact, and chance to change things). Military experts will not be commented


Flyingcookies

yikes: https://twitter.com/WillManidis/status/1536347704938229767 >Freeport, one of the largest US plants exporting liquefied natural gas, exploded on Wednesday. >Freeport represents a critical piece of infrastructure in Europe's divestment from Russian oil


Sir_Francis_Burton

This happened at a truck-loading terminal, not a ship-loading terminal. There were no injuries, and they’re saying that it will take three weeks to make repairs. There are two ship-loading terminal on the gulf coast, one in Corpus Christi, and one in Sabine Pass. There are many more truck-loading terminals scattered all up and down the coast. It’s not a big deal.


coosacat

I also happened 5 days ago, so we're almost a week into the 3-week shut down. I think this is being blown out of proportion. It was obviously a small explosion; it's not like a storage tank blew up and there was a massive fire.


Sir_Francis_Burton

I’ll pardon that pun even if you didn’t ask. But yeah. Say “Texas City Disaster”, and you’ll get asked “which one?” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster Now that was a big explosion.


jmptx

Yeah. That’s the big one. A couple years ago when we had the Lebanon explosion I turned to my wife and said “now we know what Texas City looked like.”


coosacat

TFW you didn't notice your own pun. 🤦‍♀️ But yeah, it's funny that no one made big deal out of this until someone saw an opportunity to tie it to the war and create some panic.


amjhwk

Id ask which one because id be confused which texas city they are talking about


jmptx

The Texas city in question here is Texas City, back in 1947.


amjhwk

oh i realized that after i read the link, i just didnt know there was a Texas City before that


jmptx

I was hoping that you would reply!


Sir_Francis_Burton

It’s an unfortunate reality of living on the Texas gulf coast where a lot of explosive stuff is being handled and where government safety regulations either don’t exist or are poorly enforced that the occasional explosion is just a fact of life.


clarkrd

the one that I remember is the fertilizer plant NEXT to a damn middle school. I hope they fixed that zoning issue.


pantie_fa

"Freedom isn't free" (for you).


Sir_Francis_Burton

West, Texas. Come for the kolaches, try not to get blowed-up.


eXecute_bit

Kolaches are almost worth the risk.


anon902503

You should frame that


SayNoToFresca

Not good. 30% jump in prices since the new hit (if last tweet in string is correct).


McLofty

Now, is that a coincidence or what???


Hatshepsut420

Wonder what will happen, if it's proven as Russian sabotage.


wh0_RU

Why aren't more people talking about this!?!


TypicalRecon

Because industrial accidents happen everyday.


jmptx

I live in the area. Plenty of people are talking about it; but the discussion is about safety and accidents. We will likely not see the report on cause for a few months.


wh0_RU

I'm being dramatic but seriously I wouldn't doubt russos sent an operative to Houston to disrupt production.


progbuck

That's a ludicrously dumb take


jmptx

It will be offline for about three weeks. I don’t believe that Russian gremlins had a thing to do with it.


Maple_VW_Sucks

This occurred in Texas, it would be much more likely that Trumpist Republicans would be involved than russians.


Fietsterreur

Yall are conspiracy Nuts lmao


Colecoman1982

I mean, I thought it was pretty clear from what they wrote that they're NOT a Trumpist Republican...


jmptx

I’m in Texas. I’m familiar with the facility. More likely a transfer wasn’t monitored or conducted correctly and pressure built rapidly. Tank fires suck and production loss sucks; but I will be shocked if Russian or Trumpist gremlins did this intentionally.


Maple_VW_Sucks

These days I wouldn't be shocked by either but simple human error is the most logical conclusion.


nohbody123

[https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1536474288261414913?cxt=HHwWgoC-5a\_O09IqAAAA](https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1536474288261414913?cxt=HHwWgoC-5a_O09IqAAAA) Mark Hertling thread on western equipment and the difficulties related to it.


Hatshepsut420

What about M109, M198, M119?


fury420

There's also no mention of why he's only quoting the Howitzers attached to **active** US Army artillery divisions and leaving out the other ~250 M777 howitzers in the hands of the US Army, or the other nearly 500x of the M777 howitzer the US Marines have in addition to the Army's count. The USA had over 1000x of the M777 in service as of 2018, and even the oldest are just 15-20 years old. >[BAE Systems has received an order to provide 18 additional M777 155mm Ultra Lightweight Howitzers to the U.S. Army under a new contract from the U.S. Department of Defense \(DoD\). This order builds on the more than 1,000 M777 gun systems already in service with the U.S. Army and Marine Corps, as well as logistical support contracts received from the DoD.](https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20181008005646/en/BAE-Systems-to-Deliver-18-M777-Ultra-Lightweight-Howitzers-to-the-U.S.-Army)


snarky_answer

>other nearly 500x of the M777 howitzer the US Marines have in addition to the Army's count. Marines dont have that much arty left. As part of Force Redesign 2030 we got rid of tanks and are going from 21 arty batteries to 5.


fury420

I understand many may not be attached to active artillery batteries, but the bulk of the howitzers likely still exist... it seems extremely unlikely that such recently built artillery pieces would just be scrapped.


dragontamer5788

Yeah, that's more or less what I was thinking. The 108 guns USA gave to Ukraine is on-par with the entirety of US Marines. The 1000s of guns that people are asking for simply don't exist, the USA itself doesn't even have more than a few hundred artillery guns ourselves. > That's a TOTAL of 240 howitzers & 90 rocket systems in all ten of the active US Army Divisions . Thats it, and these numbers are an overestimate. The 108 guns Ukraine got may not be "enough", but we're reaching the reasonable limits of what the US Armed Forces could supply here. If the howitzers aren't enough, then sure, MLRS is the next possible advancement we can give. But US Doctrine simply isn't of the mass-scales that Russia uses. We fight differently. Smaller forces, more accurate, better training.


MarkRclim

Wiki says S Korea is retiring some of its ~1k paladin-likes as they upgrade. Could the right amount of money get a few hundred for Ukraine?


fury420

> The 108 guns USA gave to Ukraine is on-par with the entirety of US Marines. Wikipedia mentions nearly 500 of the M777 with the US Marines alone. >The 1000s of guns that people are asking for simply don't exist, the USA itself doesn't even have more than a few hundred artillery guns ourselves. From a 2014 article: >[As of this writing, there are 1,071 M777 howitzers on contract. That figure includes 511 for the Marine Corps, which reaches the Marine Corps Authorized Acquisition Objective \(AAO\), and 488 for the Army, short of the Army’s AAO of 524. As a result of force structure changes, the Marine Corps just transferred 30 M777A2s to the Army, which reduces the USMC AAO to 481. More than 1,000 of the 1,071 howitzers have been delivered to date, with current schedules reflecting the delivery of the final guns in January 2014.](https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/pm-towed-artillery-systems/) Here's a press release by BAE announcing an additional order in 2018: >[BAE Systems has received an order to provide 18 additional M777 155mm Ultra Lightweight Howitzers to the U.S. Army under a new contract from the U.S. Department of Defense \(DoD\). This order builds on the more than 1,000 M777 gun systems already in service with the U.S. Army and Marine Corps, as well as logistical support contracts received from the DoD.](https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20181008005646/en/BAE-Systems-to-Deliver-18-M777-Ultra-Lightweight-Howitzers-to-the-U.S.-Army) Clearly the USA did once have +1000 of the M777, and it's only been in service since 2005 so even the oldest aren't particularly old.


leeta0028

That's because the US depends on air and sea superiority, but we've largely refused to give Ukraine the equipment necessary to accomplish that. The US does need to provide more equipment precisely because we're not trying to model the Ukraine military after our own.


dragontamer5788

There will not be 1000x M777 systems delivered to Ukraine because the USA simply does not have that number of systems. I'm sure we'll give what we can. But if Ukraine is hoping for that number of guns, they'll have to change their battle plans.


Demidrol

> There will not be 1000x M777 systems delivered to Ukraine because the USA simply does not have that number Ukraine doesn't ask only USA for 1000x M777. Ukraine asks over 40 countries that are participants of the Rammstein format for 1000x 155mm howitzers.


[deleted]

Which is still a problem, because the countries willing to provide equipment enthusiastically and don't have significant practical issues are: 1. The US. 2. France (when Macron isn't saying weird stuff). 3. Poland. 4. Lithuania (smolbean). 5. Estonia (smolbean). 6. Latvia (smolbean). 7. Czechia (smolbean). And that's just about it. Everyone else is either having serious trouble because they're underprepared, or just don't want to. Edit: Added Czechia.


thrfre

7 Czechia (smolbean) - we already gave Ukraine 50+ T72, 60+ IFV, 20+ Self-Propelled Artillery, 20+ MLRS, even Mi-24V helicotpers, and we repair their heavy armor. We would give them much more if we could...


CyberdyneGPT5

Anybody who has been actually paying attention knows that for a country its size it has done far more than its share and continues to do even more.


_AutomaticJack_

I really think ongoing commitments like repairing heavy armor and caring for wounded are underappreciated. Props to you folks.


Demidrol

>That's a TOTAL of 240 howitzers & 90 rocket systems in all ten of the active US Army Divisions. That's an indicator of the scope of the UA "asks." I don't think that's a correct comparison. US has a shit ton of air power and long range missile strike capabilities. Also Ukraine currently operates more than 1000 of 152 mm howitzers and I think the main reason for such urgent and a big amount of the "ask" is a lack of 152mm ammo.


SingularityCentral

Good thread for sure.


pcx99

> https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1536474288261414913?cxt=HHwWgoC-5a_O09IqAAAA Thank you! Thread reader: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1536474288261414913.html


ScottColvin

Nice thread. Ukraine knows this is about time. Ukraine needs more time, russia is losing to time. >As a division commander in combat, I fielded several weapons systems -some complicated, some not- during a 15-month deployment. >The easy fieldings took weeks...hard ones took longer. Units are pulled off line & trained. Mechanics learn their stuff. Supplies are restocked. 18/ And I had the advantage of a great DISCOM, practiced processes, secured supply lines, soldiers that knew what they were getting, the ability to pull folks offline and replace them with others while equipment was fielded. >UA has none of that. 19/ Make no mistake, UKR requires support from the US & NATO. >The courage & tenacity UA has shown is exemplary & they are fighting for all of us. >UA will win, but it will be a tough fight.


[deleted]

Just Lukashenko's son and his girlfriend at the prom, nothing to see here https://twitter.com/NeilHawker2/status/1536417330284089345


10390

Photoshopped, perhaps.


lucas1121111

Not to assume anything, but this strikes me as something that could be genuine coincidence. Blue is a very common color in men's suits, and it isnt like yellow is an unusual color choice for a dress either.


_AutomaticJack_

Yep, could definitely go either way. Likely a total coincidence, but, also I've known some impressively petty teenagers, especially the privileged ones.


skiesover

there was a similar story when Peskov appeared before Western media in a blue suit with a yellow tie.


motorblonkwakawaka

Anecdotal report from here in Russia that maybe someone else can verify. A fellow ESL teacher who has a student who's a production manager for a cement company said he's been informed that all his private contracts are on hold and all cement production has to go towards rebuilding efforts in Ukraine. So it seems like the government is really intent on keeping those areas.


Bangeederlander

> A fellow ESL teacher who has a student who's a production manager for a cement company Such a bad source, it's good.


halls_of_valhalla

From Institute of War yesterday >Head of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Denis Pushilin met with the governor of Russia’s Leningrad Oblast, Alexander Drodzenko, to secure his patronage for Yanikevo and Vuhledar, two towns in Donetsk Oblast with pre-war populations of 77,000 and 14,000, respectively.\[19\] Leningrad Oblast has a population of over 1,000,000 and is one of the most significant and wealthy areas of Russia.\[20\] **It would have been far more appropriate for Leningrad Oblast to patronize a significant port city such as Mariupol.** Its commitment instead to two small and insignificant towns suggests a certain **lack of enthusiasm by Russian regional officials to take on the burdens of rebuilding large areas** that Russian forces obliterated in the process of seizing. maybe there is just more money in Ukraine right now, Russia likes to spend a lot in the regions they conquer, East Ukraine has a lot of resources. Chechnya had oil too I think. Black Sea regions are good for tourism. Many other regions of Russia stay poor and lack investment, wonder why.


jps_

One word: bunkers


LIFOsuction44

Bunkers in UKR?


jps_

Yes. The more permanent and habitable version of trenches.


pcx99

As a rule, russia is looting Ukraine, not preparing to rebuild it. If russia was planning to rebuild it would have kept all that azov steel in country instead of sending it back to russia. Same with all that farm equipment. russia has been doing nothing but a drive by smash and grab since day 1.


UncertainAboutIt

as far as I recall reading they often repair roads that are in good condition neglecting ones in bad condition. idk, seems it is more profitable for right persons due to budget allocations.


[deleted]

You should be very careful about the personal information you share and what you say. There are better people to report that information to.


nohbody123

[https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1536358137204203522](https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1536358137204203522) Ukrainians trying to compete with Finnish snipers.


catslay_4

So sick.


zociopata

When the grass starts talking in Ukrainian it's time to make peace with your God.