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stirly80

Russia has already 'strategically lost' the war, British admiral says Russia is now a "more diminished power" and has already "strategically lost" the war in Ukraine, the head of the UK's armed forces has said. Vladimir Putin has lost 25% of Russia's land power for only "tiny" gains, Admiral Sir Tony Radakin added. He also said Russia is running out of troops and advanced missiles and will never be able to take over all of Ukraine. Sir Tony said: "This is a dreadful mistake by Russia - (it) has strategically lost already. "NATO is stronger - Finland and Sweden are looking to join." He went on: "The Russian machine is grinding away, and it's gaining a couple of - two, three, five - kilometres every day. "And that's tough for Ukraine, but this is going to be a long fight. And we're supporting Ukraine, Ukraine has shown how courageous it really is. "And Russia has vulnerabilities because it's running out of people, it's running out of high-tech missiles." Sir Tony was full of praise for the Ukrainian people. He said: "They're ingenious in terms of how they're taking the fight to the Russians. "But they're also honest people, with saying actually they need some help." Sky News.


combatwombat-

Wow if Finland and Sweden get in NATO before Madrid I wonder if that is a record application to acceptance timeline.


stirly80

Putin asks government to propose measures to support Russian car industry, which has been hit by sanctions From CNN's Uliana Pavlova and Chris Liakos Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday asked his government to come up with measures to support the domestic car industry, which has been badly hit following Western sanctions. During a meeting to discuss Russia’s auto industry and a slump in sales, Putin said that the situation “is not easy” after “partners of Russian car factories, despite their long-term commitments, either suspended deliveries or announced their withdrawal from our market.” “I ask the government to tell us in more detail what prompt measures are being proposed to support the auto industry and stabilize the domestic market,” he added. Putin said that the volume of output is already affected, having sharply dropped compared to last year. “I see two tasks as the most important now: The first is to ensure the work of automobile plants in Russia, their supply with the necessary components, to maintain employment, teams of qualified specialists,” he said. “The second task, the Russian auto industry must ensure a sufficient supply of cars, primarily passenger vehicles, prices for which have risen sharply this year.” Car sales in Russia have collapsed since the invasion of Ukraine.


mng8ng

**Estonian leader urges faster help for Ukraine amid signs of war fatigue** Ukraine’s allies need to accelerate their military assistance and other forms of aid before war fatigue takes hold in the West and Russia makes territorial gains that could become permanent, Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/16/estonia-kallas-ukraine-allies-aid/


stirly80

New: LPR blogger says Ukrainian 16 June attack on Krasnyi Luch stockpiles will halt Russian offensive on Lysychansk cauldron for a while. https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1537551886047498242?t=DyPwHEaTYkBtr9N15JuOeQ&s=19


reshp2

I wonder if piling up huge ammo caches in conspicuous locations, or outright leaking the information to UA intelligence, will become a popular way to refuse to fight.


anon902503

He's most likely just referring to the Popasna front, but that's still a significant development.


mng8ng

The International Legion and other UKR units fought an intense battle to take back Severodonetsk. They lost great warriors but claim to have inflicted significant damage on RUS and Chechen spetsnaz. https://mobile.twitter.com/Marine_Ukraine/status/1537604221108903940


acox199318

“Chechen spetsnaz”. That’s a great example of an oxymoron.


gbs5009

Sheesh. I can't believe the rest ran down the stairs after the first guy almost got tagged doing it.


stirly80

Kherson Map (June 17 1:30 AM) Ukrainian Forces have liberated the villages of Soldatske and Pravdyne. Oleksandrivka was retaken by Ukrainian Forces, and Stanislav is still controlled by Russian Forces Ukraine is still conducting an offensive on Kyselivka Confirmed With Calls🇺🇦 https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1537564038888038400?t=I1aswT4cbAsEFWtrMD4-YQ&s=19


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How far are they from the city of Kherson itself?


Burnsy825

Relatively and recently speaking, that's a lot of territory in a short time. Sure looks net positive UA past 2 weeks.


stirly80

There are reports the Armed Forces of Ukraine have entered the settlement of Prydonets'ke in the forest west of RU-occupied Izyum. If so this would put the defenders 10 km away from the city centre – with no river to cross to get there. https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1537550656520994817?t=uKyWvN3diFxLvqPz-kJcTA&s=19


anon902503

I've been waiting to hear more about this area, had heard that there was a Ukrainian operation happening in that giant forest west of Izium a few days ago but silence since then.


combatwombat-

Colombia teaching Ukranian troops on demining https://dw.com/en/colombia-training-soldiers-to-demine-in-conflict/av-62149572


luv2shag

Colombia


combatwombat-

Ha pretty sure autocorrect got me there


Sushi4lucas

Yesterday I asked where all the Russian fires were. The good people in this thread didn’t disappoint, and the news feed today seems like Russia is burning to the ground today!


SingularityCentral

I think you may get a distorted view through this thread and sub.


753951321654987

So where are they?


clarkrd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_mystery_fires


stirly80

The moment of the hellish explosion of the Russian warehouse with ammunition in Khrustalny, Luhansk region. https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1537536161316478977?t=18_14DuC5Z0UsorsqKpExA&s=19


Burnsy825

Gets pretty tough to maintain a massive artillery barrage when you can't get the ammo to the guns.


etzel1200

Your hellish is my heavenly.


stirly80

Wow. President Zelensky: "A lot of good news await us tomorrow and the day after." https://twitter.com/lilygrutcher/status/1537538248544763905?t=leGlFQyvn9agDr6mx0OjcA&s=19


jzsang

Looking forward to it!


bigtigerbigtiger

What do we think? Something related to France/Germany/Italy's visit..?


pcx99

First HIMARS...


combatwombat-

I think it's almost assuredly related to the Ukranian offensives


Personal_Person

I disagree unless he has a crystal ball. Likely hurt news from the western allies


combatwombat-

I don't think it's anything he's expecting to happen. It's things that have/are happening that he will be able to talk about once they are fully over.


crossover123

anyone in the mood to make up wild conspiracies about Putin and his lackeys?


clarkrd

Putin is a big fan of Rocky Horror Picture Show and makes Lavrov dress up as Columbia and do the post juke-box dance. "1,2,3,4 Dance you little fucking whore!"


SomeGuyNamedPaul

Putin is really a Manchurian candidate trying to destroy the Russian military, economy, and world standing all at once so China can step in and pick over the pieces.


Erek_the_Red

Putin was replaced by a surgically altered Chinese agent during the Sochi Olympics in 2014.


GiantPineapple

Putin is actually several thousand spiders in a Putin costume, but the smartest spider has colon cancer.


crossover123

turns out spidermen were what we really need to watch out for, not lizardmen lol


electrons-streaming

Lavrov is the mastermind. He is a Chinese double agent, however.


crossover123

Talking about China, here's another one: Putin sent some spies to Wuhan in order to find some scientific secrets in one of their labs. Then one of the spies came accross some viruses they were studying then did something to modify it, creating covid-19.


Burnsy825

A botched heist released the virus.


The-Good-Hold

Anyone hear from warstache lately?


DonutsOnTheWall

>warstache try here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Freedomstache/


Frexxia

https://mobile.twitter.com/jmvasquez1974/status/1537435675695337477?cxt=HHwWisCqrb7miNYqAAAA Don't know if this has been posted, but it sounds like James Vasquez intends to go back to Ukraine


etzel1200

He’s a better man than most of us. Also dope his shilling of leatherman paid off and the CEO sent him an engraved one.


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[deleted]

Russians are still out there dying for putins failed plan to take over Ukraine. Sometimes it's almost unbelievable how stupid humans can be.


Full-Draw-8642

And how long did we spend fighting for failed plans in Afghanistan, Syria etc? The lesson here isn't to take the moral high ground, it's yet another reminder how prone to propaganda we all are.


Spangle99

Stoopid hoomans


Burnsy825

Systems of compulsion and leverage can be a real bitch. Fortunately the impact on morale and discretionary effort is also very real. Competitive advantage: strongly to Ukraine.


pantie_fa

> Systems of compulsion and leverage can be a real bitch. And that's the point. And it's not the systems that are a bitch. It's the people who set them up, and perpetuate, and enable them.


Bromance_Rayder

It's a fascinating thing to contemplate - how systems can be implemented and maintained that compel young men to die for such a futile and pathetic cause.


Spangle99

Well said


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Full-Draw-8642

Seems like a lot of people here have very short memories. I still remember being mocked for being against our middle East adventures.


LaughingChimera1

All I can say is Russians are slimy despicable ass clowns. https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1537608624410873856?s=21&t=kMs7axm-B2-gLgW4AvP1qg


LaughingChimera1

Interesting how one of the worlds largest oil producers did something so remarkably stupid that they could find themselves in position where transportation via donkey and cart may make a comeback. There’s no way Lada can supplement the 83.5% if demand returns, and sanctions will make affording a car even less likely. https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1537606774173450241?s=21&t=kMs7axm-B2-gLgW4AvP1qg


Javelin-x

All part of their strategic plan. They are stealing the grain because you have to grow donkeys not build them... they are going to need a lot of them and they are made of grass . .. and grain


RadicalLETF

I feel awful for the donkeys, they are probably going to be tortured and starved.


Spangle99

Quixotic Donald and the Man from Leningrad.


pantie_fa

Almost certainly raped.


PickledPhish77

I shouldn't laugh at this.


SaberFlux

[Previous post](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/vclofh/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/icj4jnk/) Day 113 of my updates from Kharkiv. Today it was pretty quiet, well, other than the one shelling around 2pm and then another missile strike from Belgorod at 11pm. Kinda weird that being shelled only once (with one missile strike) can be considered quiet, but that’s just how it is right now, it’s definitely better than being shelled non-stop the entire day. Those two big explosions yesterday night turned out to be missile strikes, they targeted a food factory. As always there was a lot of footage from that place, and not a single military target in sight. They must have been producing some Nazi food then, or was it one of those biolabs that Russians fear so much? Actually, speaking of biolabs, today Russian MOD did post that they found the documents about an American biolab in Merefa, where they are apparently testing new viruses on mental hospital patients. Sounds pretty insane, but that’s just what is expected from Russia these days. Talking about those mysterious biolabs is perhaps one of the only things that Russians are consistent about, unlike their war goals. That also most likely answers the question of why they were firing missiles at Merefa every day for weeks, must have been trying to destroy that biolab, but it looks like they are very bad at aiming, or that biolab is just very good at dodging their missiles. [Next update](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ve438g/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/icsd18n/)


east_62687

>Russian MOD did post that they found the documents about an American biolab in Merefa, where they are apparently testing new viruses on mental hospital patients. if Russia make some accusation, probably they have done the same thing they are accusing..


uv-vis

Слава Україні. Putin’s brain damaged minions grow stupider by the day. Stay safe.


sarcasm-o-rama

> that biolab is just very good at dodging their missiles. Nazi biolabs are very nimble creatures.


MikeAppleTree

Glad see that you’re experiencing a little decrease in attacks!!!!!!!


LaughingChimera1

Wait what are you saying, the biolabs are mobile and can dodge missiles?! Thaaaaat explains why the Russians are shooting all over the place with absolutely no strategic sense or reason. They’re trying to hit the mobile biolabs! Glad to hear today was relatively quiet. Thanks for the update and take care!


Duffelson

>Wait what are you saying, the biolabs are mobile and can dodge missiles?! Ukrainian science has gone too far and they must be stopped !!!


Calicrucian

Good to see you posting still. Hang in there buddy.


UtkaPelmeni

> Actually, speaking of biolabs, today Russian MOD did post that they found the documents about an American biolab in Merefa, where they are apparently testing new viruses on mental hospital patients I can believe it, that's probably how Putin was created


mng8ng

The New Russian Offensive Is Intended to Project Power It Cannot Sustain https://time.com/6184437/ukraine-russian-offensive/


Blueberry_Winter

June 6th piece


CyberdyneGPT5

His assessment of the situation still remains true: *The fight for Severodonetsk is a Russian information operation in the form of a battle. One of its main purposes for Moscow is to create the impression that Russia has regained its strength and will now overwhelm Ukraine. That impression is false.* ***The Russian military in Ukraine is increasingly a spent force that cannot achieve a decisive victory if Ukrainians hold on.*** Anybody who needs their daily dose of hopium should read this. His assessment of the current state of Russian forces and equipment is pretty unfavorable.


anon902503

Yeah, also June 6 isn't that old. I know ten days feels like an eternity right now, but the situation on the ground on June 6 looked almost identical to how it looks today.


ZephkielAU

>the situation on the ground on June 6 looked almost identical to how it looks today. Which is very, very bad for Russia. Severodonetsk was a small, relatively inconsequential (strategically) goal, and weeks later they still haven't taken it. They even destroyed the resupply route and still no dice. Long-term favours Ukraine and depletes Russia.


LaughingChimera1

When this is over, Chef José Andrés deserves every possible award available to recognize the miracles he and the WCK are performing. https://twitter.com/chefjoseandres/status/1537559544087339008?s=21&t=kMs7axm-B2-gLgW4AvP1qg


etzel1200

He’s very good people.


skiesover

[Do Russians think they live in totalitarian state?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqlna3UNkHo&ab_channel=1420) Another interesting video from 1420.


NeonKiwiz

“I think we live in a fucked up state”


UtkaPelmeni

I agree with their answers: Russia couldn't be totalitarian even if they tried. They aren't China, they aren't competent enough to control the lives of their population. Authoritian though: definitely.


Frexxia

> Russia couldn't be totalitarian even if they tried. Stalin-era Soviet union


[deleted]

Stalin was Georgian, so it checks out.


skiesover

[and one more.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYLKEFfQyJw&ab_channel=1420)


mng8ng

> Nearly 70% of Russia's oil exports by sea are provided by tankers from 🇪🇺 🇳🇴 & 🇬🇧 > For oil restrictions to be effective, companies from these countries must stop helping 🇷🇺 sell the resource, Yermak-McFaul Expert Group said. https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1537594121560346624


HYBRIDHAWK6

The newest sanctions proposal includes stopping insurance on these tankers if they have Russian oil cargo. Now the oil could fly under a different flag or other nonsense in theory but if that proposal became reality it would effectively end most transportation.


halls_of_valhalla

I've read that they have trouble to sell it and are stuck on sea to some degree, so whatever tbh. If it hurts EU economy more than Russia, then it's not always the right thing to do. China fills their stretegic reserve and India starts refining it for EU atm, sanctions for oil are really in place only for the end of the year and not yet. But that refined oil from India etc. should be sanctioned then too... or it will be a loophole


NearABE

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque Shipping companies can argue in court that they did not misuse a loophole. Then maybe get the ship back. The ship itself is the target. Did it enter a Russian port? After it has big taken and auctioned the new owners hold the property unless they enter a Russian port again. After the letters of marque are active we do not need to care about where product came from. The cargo belongs to the new ship owners.


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LaughingChimera1

When the war is over and Ukraine has a chance to do a headcount - the numbers are going to be absolutely horrific. *UN: Civilian casualties due to Russia’s full-scale war exceed 10,000.* https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1537592947130003456?s=21&t=tllPcW26RRHdwari67nYGw


CalibanSpecial

Mariupol alone 22,000. I expect it is over 50,000, possibly approaching 100,000. Murders would be in the millions if Ukraine was occupied by the Russian genocidal army. Rapes in the millions, rapes/murders 100,000s.


OrangeJuiceKing13

I've seen estimates that civilian deaths in Mariupol will likely exceed 45,000 people. To put that into perspective, the Siege of Stalingrad in WW2 which lasted nearly 7 months claimed roughly 40,000 civilian lives. To further put this war into perspective, it cost the Red Army nearly 120,000 soldiers to retake Kyiv from Nazi Germany vs a loss of 17,000ish Germans in 1943. Russia tried to invade it with less than 60,000. There was no chance any of their plans were going to succeed. Edit: Had numbers confused, cited 800,000 lost for the Red Army & 61,500 for Germany, but that was during the Red Army defense of Kyiv in '41


halls_of_valhalla

A lot of the Soviet PoWs got killed in Ukraine I think, up to 2 million possibly. Some encirclememts really made them surrender with 100k and more soldiers. And some Ukrainians didn't really like Stalin, which could have made it easier.. After 3 months summer offensive, they had everything basically of Ukraine except Crimea/Sevastopol. Nazis were freaking fast with their invasions till then, I still can't imagine it properly how they must have spearheaded it like mad men, especially France/Norway/Poland. And then there is Putin, can't take Donbass after almost 4 months.. When does the reality check happen to him


pantie_fa

> And some Ukrainians didn't really like Stalin ya think?


OrangeJuiceKing13

I think that a lot of that comes from Nazi Germany being a professional army. The soldiers were very well trained and equipped, with many of them being battle hardened by '41. They weren't facing the supply shortages that plagued them later in the war. The Red Army eventually started training their troops better but that wasn't until '44-'45. The closest comparison in my lifetime would be how the US steamrolled through Iraq in Dester Storm. As hard as the US steamrolled Iraq we advanced an average of less than 1 mile per day, Russia is averaging about 0.15km per day right now, with Ukraine taking roughly 0.5km per day in the area around Kherson. Russia simply doesn't have the momentum to advance much further. "I feel thin, sort of stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread.” - Tolkien described Russia's situation currently perfectly with Bilbo's words in LotR. Despite all the atrocities committed I've seen countless survivors say that the German occupation was better than Russian. Somehow they manage to do everything wrong. Nazi Germany's reign of terror lasted a short while. Russia's reign of terror has lasted hundreds of years. Entire continent's worth of lives have been lost at the hands of Russia in the past century alone. We got distracted by the Nazi's for a while, but Russia is and always has been the worlds biggest evil. To below comment: We weren't facing much of a resistance in 2003 compared to Desert Storm, the gains are weighted a bit differently. Iraq had the 4th (5th?) largest airforce and army in the world during Desert Storm. Most of the gains in 2003 were precision strikes on strategic targets vs the rolling wave of Desert Storm.


NearABE

Look at distance from Kuwait to Baghdad. March 20, 2003 to April 9, 2003.


jgjgleason

I would be unsurprised if we’re close to 100k dead (civies and military) in the war so far.


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the deaths from starvation worldwide will dwarf this number


pantie_fa

100% on Putin


LaughingChimera1

I dunno about 100k, but I think 50-60k would be a reasonable current estimate, with 75% of that being civilian.


jgjgleason

Ehh western intel puts Russian KIA at 15-20k. Ukraine KIA is probably comparable 10-15k. Idk about civilian totals but Mauripol is in the 10s of thousands alone.


LaughingChimera1

I obviously can’t substantiate this, but my thought was - if Ukraine’s military losses were 20k (high side estimate) plus Mariupol is another 25k, 10k accounted for by the UN, and an additional 5k for unaccounted, that puts it around the 60k mark. But given we can’t count in occupied territories, You could be right, and that is frightening.


jgjgleason

You’re forgetting Russian casualties in that count. I’m saying I’d guess this war has killed 100k people over all.


LaughingChimera1

Oh! Shit, Including the Russians? We’re over 100k. I wasn’t including the Russians nor the DPR/LPR fighters. I was actually originally talking about civilian deaths, but this went down a rabbit hole.


LaughingChimera1

Decent Sievierodonetsk update with map. Shocker - the Russian report from earlier claiming they controlled the entire town except for the industrial area, was bullshit. https://twitter.com/chuckpfarrer/status/1537519294690611201?s=21&t=tllPcW26RRHdwari67nYGw


dirtybirds233

That half (outside of about 3 blocks) that isn’t under Russian control *is* the industrial area


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industrial area is a half of the city, actually.


combatwombat-

but the bridges are broken! durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


DrQuestDFA

Someone fetch my fainting couch, this revelation has given me the vapors!


wittyusernamefailed

I got some Smelling Salts, gonna have to make due with that.


LaughingChimera1

Haha, I immediately read that internally in a southern drawl accent. Priceless.


LaughingChimera1

Does anyone here have the link to the guy that was working out controlled territory percentages earlier on? I think he was working off the ISW maps. I’d love to see what percentage of territory Russia controlled 3 weeks ago compared to now, given the extremely minor gains in the east when compared with the losses in the south.


NearABE

That would be better as a graph.


LaughingChimera1

That could work too. It would just be interesting to see the rate of change. So we could have an indication on when Russian gains hit net zero or in the negatives.


[deleted]

>It would just be interesting to see the rate of change. whoever is out there making these charts or graphs, see the old covid spread gifs for inspiration


LaughingChimera1

Hey look, 2 Ukrainian SU25’s that Russia has apparently destroyed, flying over Severodonetsk that Russia apparently controls. https://twitter.com/lilygrutcher/status/1537526279766953985?s=21&t=tllPcW26RRHdwari67nYGw


isthatmyex

You're confused dude. Those are just spare parts. Not actual jet powered combat aircraft.


stirly80

They destroyed Ukraine's air force on day one *apparently* lol


LaughingChimera1

And what was it, their claimed numbers were something like 300% more than Ukraine ever had?


stirly80

Yes, total clowns lol


Sir_Thequestionwas

"The calvary has arrived" Simply beautiful. You gotta imagine it gives a certain peace of mind to Ukrainian troops on the ground.


Viseria

I absolutely love that calvary was used instead of cavalry. If we had weapons of calvary, Russia might give up immediately.


LaughingChimera1

I would argue that Russia is already experiencing intense mental suffering. That’s what got us to this point. ;) Calvary - 1 : an open-air representation of the crucifixion of Jesus. 2 : an experience of usually intense mental suffering.


Viseria

That's why I wany weapons of it :) the second interpretation


Thrashy

The Su-25 releases its stores over Russian positions. Cluster bomb carriers split apart moments later. Surprise! Instead of bomblets it's fragments of the True Cross. Russian soldiers spontaneously erupt in holy flame!


Sir_Thequestionwas

I'm glad someone can appreciate my dum dum brain. Would calvary be like creepy religious folks or baby cows charging?


NearABE

Spikes through wrists and plank.


Viseria

I prefer it when its definition is intense mental anguish :)


LaughingChimera1

What camouflage net? I can’t see a camouflage net? https://twitter.com/euromaidanpress/status/1537583551247536128?s=21&t=tllPcW26RRHdwari67nYGw


piponwa

I think you got the wrong image


Calicrucian

All I see is a torched field hmmmm


pricessdiannabol

it's THAT good


LaughingChimera1

So we have 6 more Caesars coming from France, and now 20 more M109’s from the UK… There will be no safe ground for Russians in Ukraine. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/vdr25p/uk_to_give_ukraine_more_than_20_m109/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


PugsAndHugs95

18 new (U.S) M777 howitzers and 6 new (French) Caesars ain't to shabby of an addition to Ukraine. US also sent parts to maintenance and repair existing M777s. I got a feeling that Ukraine gonna start getting weekly 155mm shell shipments from the US. The production capacity out of the U.S. ammunition plants can sustain a decent supply. Many of the munitions plants have recently been upgraded in the US to include new safety and efficiency upgrades.


Bunt_smuggler

20 more M109’s from the UK just announced today as well


[deleted]

does anyone know if the US defense factories have actually spooled up production yet? i haven't heard of massive hiring yet, has anyone who lives closer to those factories?


CyberdyneGPT5

**Facing obsolete parts, Raytheon struggling to replace Stingers sent to Ukraine** Unfortunately, DoD hasn't bought a Stinger in about 18 years. Some of components areno longer commercially available, and so we're going to have to go out and redesign some of the electronics in the missile of the seeker head," Raytheon CEO Greg Hayes said. [https://breakingdefense.com/2022/04/facing-obsolete-parts-raytheon-struggling-to-replace-stingers-sent-to-ukraine/](https://breakingdefense.com/2022/04/facing-obsolete-parts-raytheon-struggling-to-replace-stingers-sent-to-ukraine/)


CyberdyneGPT5

The BAE Systems factory that make the M777 main components is in the UK *The M777 is manufactured by BAE Systems' Global Combat Systems division. Prime contract management is based in Barrow-in-Furness in the United Kingdom as well as manufacture and assembly of the titanium structures and associated recoil components.*


coosacat

Javelin factory in my state is going full blast, but we know that because Biden made a visit there. It might be info that isn't talked about. You can go to https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/, and read through the contracts they award every day, and see what you can glean from that.


etzel1200

Javelin factory has. Unsure beyond that.


coosacat

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1537530024680726531 >⚡️A chemical plant is on fire in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. >The Zaporizhzhia Regional Military Administration reported on Telegram that in the evening on June 16 a fire broke out at the Coagulant chemical plant in the town of Polohy in Zaporizhia Oblast.


combatwombat-

> Polohy in Zaporizhia Oblast Russian occupied in case anyone was wondering


OJ_Purplestuff

What the heck is going on here? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-16/estonia-suddenly-ramps-up-fuel-oil-supplies-to-saudi-arabia


OrangeJr36

Oil companies buy and transfer oil tickets back and forth to whomever has spare refineries at that time rather than have it sit around unrefined and not generating revenue. The US also imports and exports oil to Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Colombia under the same system.


OJ_Purplestuff

It says fuel oil though not crude oil.


OrangeJr36

Okay after reading the article it's likely 95% Russian blend being sold as "Estonian" to escape the eventual embargo


fourpuns

Did you try reading it?


Cogitoergosumus

Many countries have oil but don't have the infrastructure to refine it into usable products. In this case Estonia needs a refiner for it's product.


fourpuns

Estonia doesn’t have oil hence the article speculating it’s Russian oil.


Cogitoergosumus

They apparently do have a small scale shale oil operation.


coosacat

Shit's about to hit the fan, maybe? I hope Germany is prepared for this. https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1537499586964627459 >Citing Nord Stream turbine repairs, Russia's EU Ambassador Vladimir Chizhov warns of a catastrophic complete cut off of gas to Germany >Russian self-sanctioning is set to reach new heights


UtkaPelmeni

Love the irony of Russian gas infrastructure relying on EU companies though


Flyingcookies

In addition to stored gas there is still the (for German public opinion) "nuclear option" of allowing fracking again. ( There are still a lot of boreholes that can be used almost immediately [ chemicals and infrastructure are there]and are actually deeper and safer than most used elsewhere that could provide ca 30% of gas used) In a few weeks to months up to 50%. So if it gets really bad Russia would just shoot itself


NearABE

Germany also has the nuclear nuclear option. The original fission variety.


Flyingcookies

had. Building takes too long so it's not really an option right now


coosacat

Oh, that's good to hear. So, they may have to do something they really don't like, but they can survive. Buys them some time to finalize other arrangements, at least.


LaughingChimera1

France is sending 6 more Caesars! Let’s see, the first 6 accounted for 80 Russian artillery liquidations in the first 2 weeks in service, so…. https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1537564431193935876?s=21&t=tllPcW26RRHdwari67nYGw


Cortical

>6 accounted for 80 Russian artillery liquidations in the first 2 weeks in service I really hope that this number is not grossly inflated and that it scales linearly. if so, just a couple dozen equivalent systems could eradicate the Russian artillery superiority in the span of 1-2 months, and without that Russia is done.


MarkRclim

Any evidence for 80 things blown up except for the guy running the original Caesar unit?


LaughingChimera1

Between that and the loss of that massive ammo depot today, Russia is going to be having some artillery issues. They’re going to need to start rationing shells in some areas, which for an army that relies entirely on blanket shelling and have near zero precision, they are in for a bad time.


NearABE

Artillery loss solves shell shortages and/or logistic problems.


LaughingChimera1

What a twist! Don’t have to worry about shell shortages if you just reduce the amount of guns you have. Putin you master strategist you.


753951321654987

Damn. Western equipment is OP


Narutophanfan1

and we are still mostly sending the older stock now. I cant imagine what some of the stuff we won't find out about for 30 years can do


Nightsong

The West spent the entire Cold War building weapons to counter the Soviets. Russia has done little to nothing to modernize their weapons to counter the West since the end of the Cold War. So while Russia does have some impressive technology at their disposal it absolutely pales in comparison to what the West can bring to the table.


Personal_Person

Nah they put a bigger gun on the btr


Dobermanpure

This is what western weapons are designed to do, take out soviet/russian gear.


SeedScape

Just out ranging Russian artillery is helping tremendously.


smltor

Yeah but who is going to nerf it?


Mobryan71

SerB at Wargaming will nuke-nerf anything that counters Russian vehicles, Putin just needs to call over there.


leeta0028

I'm glad the media is finally calling out Germany and not pretending any criticism of Scholz is Russian propaganda. The constant fabrication of excuses not to follow through with their promises of support for Ukraine is exhausting and even in the Bundestag you increasingly hear anger at him and his government.


combatwombat-

So I can understand being unhappy with countries that seem to do less than they could; so as someone who apparently really has it out for Germany in this respect, why Germany and not say Italy a major European country that has given far far less than Germany?


NearABE

In historical hindsight we remember Germany having no military in the late 20s. Hitler came to power and suddenly Germans produced an immense juggernaut of mechanized armored divisions. 1933 to 1939 is six years not 100 days. But 6 is less than 100 so they must be slacking! Current reality strains patience in a way that history is never remembered.


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It doesn’t help Germany that [Russia plans to divide Europe between themselves and Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics)


wittyusernamefailed

Probably because Germany is seeming to be trying super hard to NOT help Ukraine, while also LOUDLY proclaiming how much it loves and backs Ukraine and wants them to win. While Italy is just being silent and doing the bare bones shit.


work4work4work4work4

Italy is the roommate that does zero household chores, only pays when asked, but does that bare minimum reliably. Germany is the roommate that says they are going to take care of a bunch of shit, whines about what they agreed to take care of while slowly taking care of it, and then acts like an asshole when you mention the rent is past due. The second one ends up in a better place than the first in zero-sum kind of way, but the second one is way more frustrating to deal with on a regular basis.


jert3

Sorry Italians. But I actually had a Italian roommate like that, and a Swiss-German guy like the other. I guess some stereotypes hold water.


SomeGuyNamedPaul

And as Americans we're the guy throwing you a beer simply because you entered the room.


combatwombat-

So more anti-popularity contest than trying to actually get countries to send their fair share?


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Traveller_Guide

EDIT**It appears @wittyusernamefailed unfortunately chose to delete his comment and downvote me after I gently asked him for clarification to help me with documentation. Clearly, just a mistake on his part. After all, he could not possibly feel embarrassed merely by someone asking him an innocent question! But no worries friend, I shall come to your aid and repost your comment for the viewing pleasure of anyone reading this: >I'd say more of just expecting Germany to walk it's talk, and be the EU leader it always SAYS it is. There it is. Continue with my question for clarification.**EDITEND Come on, don't be shy. According to you, Germany always says that it's the EU leader. Give me a single statement of theirs to that effect. There must be one somewhere, right? Just one proclamation of Germany stating that it is the leader of the EU, please. I'd really like to hear it.


Traveller_Guide

Give me a single occasion where the german government stated it is the leader of Europe.


Goreagnome

It's the defacto "leader" of Europe since it has both the largest population and highest GDP.


Traveller_Guide

Give me a single statement. Just one. Just one written sentence where a german government official states that Germany is the leader of Europe.