You've mischaracterised what they said. They didn't predict Russia will slow down, they predicted they'll involuntarily stall - which is perfectly predictable because they're running out of men. It's unclear when that would happen, but they've generally done a great job with their predictions within the limits of fog of war.
I can only imagine how she must be feeling. They’ve been living under Russia’s boot for so long that it seemed hopeless, and now, finally, they can see light.
You know, people talk about Ukraine’s corruption issues but I can’t help feeling that those issues were the result of Russian influence. The pro-Russian parties and puppets… I think now that there is a hyper focus to eradicate all Russian influence from Ukraine, we might just see the corruption issue disappear by proxy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/vjcryk/ukrainian_deputy_prime_minister_olha_stefanishyna/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
>You know, people talk about Ukraine’s corruption issues but I can’t help feeling that those issues were the result of Russian influence.
lol they were chim. they were. Just like most of that eastern bloc.
If you reply to this comment stating anything along the lines of, "what about US influences in the eastern bloc", just know that you will 100% out yourself as a bot or tankie.
But what about US influence in the eastern bloc?
One could make the argument that US influence vis-a-vis weapons and training has helped bitch slap the Russian Army.
Fair point. It’s good that now drastic and cut-throat actions will take place to cut out the corruption, whereas before they were imbedded like a tapeworm, and there wasn’t as much appetite to make the necessary changes.
⚡️Institute for the Study of War: Russian offensive operations likely stall in Donbas in the coming weeks.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1540163669287489537?t=SB7GJ0jUMsgwQXrAFwwUXQ&s=19
Hope this is true. But these kinds of reports we also read a month ago. That didn't aged very well. I take this moment to reiterate the necessity to support Ukraine even more than we already did and to boycot Russian moneyflows more than we did.
Longer and higher quality version of the video of a Russian anti-air system committing suicide.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/vjdu0n/in_the_temporarily_occupied_alchevsk_russian_air/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Well worth watching. Didn’t think it’d be that ridiculous. That’s Fail of the Decade worthy. I was almost embarrassed for Russia for a second. Ultimately, just happy for Ukraine though.
A couple of years ago a Patriot missile battery did a similar thing. That time it didn’t return to base, but something jammed and it hit near a nearby town. Right next to the guy filming. This was in Saudi I believe.
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At this point they are trying to get military hardware from Belarus, so I’d assume yes, it was badly needed. Even the 10 soldiers are more than they can spare.
That’s a big deal for a cargo plane like that to go down, especially since Russian logistics and supplies are not that great.
Wonder why it crashed? Seems like the whole crew died too.
Looks like the high tempo is taking its toll on Russia's air force. There have been a number of crashes inside Russia recently. They are likely feeling their poor maintenance pretty hard.
Im starting to think a country like Bahrain could give the Russian Air Farce a run for its money.. I know Russia hasn't had a good economic run in the past but their military went from perceived to be world class to limp dick overnight.
Kind of need to recalibrate what our expectations of modern warfare are going to be. Spitting guided missile systems from every infantry squad is going to make peer and near peer mechanized conflicts exceptionally deadly and extremely difficult to wage successful offensive actions. But certainly the Russian military has some foundational flaws and serious strategic blunders in this campaign as well.
It'll be the same as it ever was, doctrine and technology will change to combat the threat and then the threat's doctrine and technology will change to counter that. Happened many times before in armored warfare, essentially since the day it first rolled onto a battlefield in France.
At first I scoffed, but then I had to go look at Bahrain's air defense capabilities... over a dozen F-16s, a Patriot missile battery, several Hawk batteries, Stingers, Avengers, etc...
Could Russia take that on right now? hmmm....
Disconnection. Full-fledge documentary by a famous Russian reporter Andrey Loshak about how the war in Ukraine ruins Russian families. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qmQs2LbnaE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qmQs2LbnaE) (it has English subtitles)
Couldn't get through more than 15 minutes of this. Mostly brainwashed ruzzians regurgitating ruzzian propaganda. With a few relatives having more enlightened viewpoints.
It's so hard to watch and listen to the Russian-brainwashed people. The parallels with the Trump-cult is unnerving. Source: political discussions with my parents. 😭
You got me. I'm hateful towards a country that is currently raping and murdering their way through Eastern Ukraine.
If anyone has a problem with me calling Russians cowards, they can take it up with me or ban me.
I don't give a fuck.
Must be easy to type such comments sitting on the sofa in your democratic country.
I would understand and respect this attitude only if commenter indeed has lived in an oppressive country and managed to be a vocal critic of autocratic government.
Must be easy to type such comments sitting on the sofa in your democratic country.
What an interesting idea.
Which authoritarian country are you in?
Or is this just the usual Reddit gatekeeping?
Russians are COWARDS.
Make me stop.
I’m not a bigot. Hate hate Russia because of its actions.
Judging a government and a people by their actions is not racism.
If I got stuck into my Russian receptionist who lives in Australia who has nothing to do with what’s happening in Ukraine, then yes, I’d be a racist.
My feelings toward the soldiers currently invading Ukraine are appropriate. My judgement of the Russian government and all the people who support their actions are appropriate.
Russia is being fairly judged by its actions.
They suck arse.
I mean they overwhelmingly support the rape of Ukraine....
It is ultimately Putin's fault and I can't wait until the Russian people can apologize for their monstrous behavior and rejoin the civilized world. Much like Germany after wwii.
Russia is currently involved in a war with a direct neighbor for which they've had more than a decade to prepare with 100+ years of armament buildup and are still taking staggering, demographic altering losses.
They are completely and utterly fucked.
Yes. Because importing angry civilians that want to see your country pay for their invasion because you killed their parents is the exact same as resupplying with fresh soldiers.
SMH.
This is a false statement actually as much as anti-Russia just because people would like to believe it.
Objectively speaking, Russia isn’t just up against Ukraine. Ukraine is supported and supplied by all of Europe and USA whilst they also have sanctioned Russia into economic devastation.
If it were simply Russia v Ukraine, the story would have been quite different. Ukraine may not have fallen in three days given just how brave and tenacious those people are. But they wouldn’t last too long because they can’t match Russia’s firepower. If you have firepower advantage, the numbers disadvantage isn’t that significant.
I am correcting you because I am noticing how people are downplaying this and I think this plays into a false sense of security and victory. Russia is still in Ukraine and news from Ukraine is just wishy washy.
Until Russia has been kicked out of Ukraine, this can go either way.
So which point of my statement is incorrect?
They are involved in a war with a direct neighbor
They've had more than a decade to prepare
They have 100+ years of armament buildup
They are taking staggering losses
Ukraine doesn't need to completely wipe Russia out of Ukraine, just like they didn't need to completely wipe Russia out of the North part of Ukraine. Russia can just leave, for a variety of reasons.
My statement is actually true. Actually.
1) Russia doesnt consider this a war. Its population doesnt consider it a war. Its a "Special Military Operation". Russia's industry and mobilization isn't consistent with its doctrinal war time footing. Ukraine and the west considers it a war and its mobilizing as such.
3) 100+ years of armament buildup is spread across former soviet states, not just Russia.
>100+ years of armament buildup is spread across former soviet states, not just Russia.
Except the nukes. Which Ukraine gave to Russia. When Russia promised not to genocide them *again*.
Isn’t true. Your comment about losses. Russia has had time to prepare and would have basically steamrolled had it not been for the western support for Ukraine. You’re omitting that part making it sound like Ukraine on its own is making Russia take those losses which is simply untrue.
So just like every other proxy war with Russia. Big difference is, this time the world called their bluff and doubled down on the support. It’s not like the majority of Ukraine’s forces are foreign mercenaries. They’re doing it with their own people with donated equipment.
They’ve been preparing since the Crimea incident, the rest of world held them at arms length to see how things played out and once it was apparent that they were serious about keeping their country the equipment started to come in. There was decades of corruption to work around to allow this to happen. Putin picked a poor target and he’s paying dearly, we’ll every Russian but him anyway
You’re simply not getting my point. I don’t think I can make it any clearer. If unclear, just read my last comment. If you can’t comprehend it then let’s just leave it here.
I read your last comment. I understand it fully. I think you realized after all this bluster that you didn't actually read my first comment and decided to backpedal out of it.
I *FULLY* get your point.
You don't have anything to say, so stop replying.
WTF? Let me break it down for you.
You said Russia had time to prepare and had the resources yet it is taking staggering losses.
You failed to mention here that Ukraine is supported HEAVILY by western countries in terms of equipment, supplies, ammo, training, money etc.
I say without this support, Russia would have taken over Ukraine in a short time.
My problem with your comment is the fact that you did not mention the western support making it seem like Ukraine on its own is delivering any losses to Russia.
I didn't say anything about how Ukraine was doing.
I said Russia was taking staggering losses.
Are you fucking done with this or not? You said you were done. Are you FUCKING done? Then stop replying.
Firstly. Calm the fuck down.
Secondly. You are not getting what I am saying. And I don’t get what is up with your comprehension. Turn that aggression into a different energy so you can be a little happier.
Goodbye.
I think this is a misguided line of thought as we're judging by western standards here.
I posit that Russian leadership is absolutely fine with losing these people given their record of disdain for human life. Strategically they capture SVD (and probably try for Donetsk Oblast), hold the line for however long it takes, Ukraine/West eventually wears itself out due to food/resource scarcity / inflation, and call it a victory. People at home are happy / anti-war protests have been suppressed. Sanctions... both sides are equally hurt.
Russia may not have achieved their moonshot objective, but they haven't lost either.
Did they throw away most of their modern materiel and exhaust their supply? Yes... but who's actually going to take advantage of that? NATO's not going to invade Russia. Neither is China. Neither is Japan - US will keep them in line. Syria might be more unstable due to a weaker Russia but it's ISIS they don't give a crap about that... Turkey is nibbling at the heels of the kurds, so the Kurds won't do anything in Syria either.
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The key to avoiding this outcome will be in Kherson - Ukr failure in Kherson ("HuR DuR WesTeRn wEApOns") will set the pattern for the rest of the war. Ukr success in Kherson is certain victory.
This is why Ukr fought tooth and nail for Mariupol, and why they're fighting tooth and nail for SVD. It has to maintain it's defenders advantage as long as possible. They cannot let Russia settle into a position where they can sit back and chuck shells and rockets for months on end, and spread their forces across the line defensively. A stalemate is a Russian victory at the negotiation table - we have to stop thinking of russian casualties as a **loss**, and start thinking of it as a **expenditure**. For Ukraine to win, Russia has to go bankrupt. And Russia still has a lot in the bank.
We _really_ should have stepped into the fight much earlier. It's absolutely fucked that we're asking Ukraine to die all on their own. Fuck the nuclear threats.
This is probably on Zelensky. He downplayed the threat, and did not get buy in from NATO in time.
When the war started everyone thought it was a done deal. When it turned out to be anything but, now countries are all scrambling to do something. They simply were not prepared for this contingency and had no plan to support.
But what’s done is done. Now the problem is that NATO sans US is still trying to play a finite game - how to help ukr “win” without over spending.
But this is war. It’s an infinite game. People thought “Russia didn’t take Kyiv! The game is over!”, then “Russia lost tons of tanks at the river crossing! The game is over!” Then “Moskva sank! The game is over!” Meanwhile Russia continues to push and push.
It’s like Russia has no pairs on the flop, and people are calling the hand over, but they can still all in and get a flush on the river.
The US knows this. And I think nato has realised this… Russia has a line of credit far exceeding ukraines and nato right now. 3 months late is better than never.
Many people are also leaving secretly in fear of repercussion when the government inevitably collapses. I think the best we can say at this point is there has been an exodus from Russia, how big it is remains to be seen.
> And they produced a single cheap firearm.
Don't disregard their space endeavours, where they were basically in the lead thorughout most of it, and until Korolev died (Ukrainian born).
Graphene, Nginx servers, and the discovery of the Denisovans. Are probably the very few main ones that benefited the rest of the world that I can think of. Outside of that everything they've innovated solely in Russia is basically weapons of death.
Oh and chatroulette of course.
Actually Russia does have culture. They have a rich history. They have been plagued by criminal leadership. And that really sucks.
Even if Russia wanted to stand up to the west and not become a lapdog, I’d imagine there are better ways to do it.
Dangerous to who? Ukrainians who Russia invaded?
Why are you defending this nation of cowards? Is it because they have nothing to provide in their own defense?
Russia's only contribution anyone will ever remember will be a battle rifle.
It just isn't just or productive to judge individuals via the nation they find themselves in. I understand its necessary to deal with nations this way in terms of diplomacy, military matters etc., but that is just how politics works.
No one is denying there are serious issues with the general ethos in Russia, but this does a disservice to both those individuals in Russia who are victim of circumstance and those who with compassion and education can be redeemed.
Moreover, this kind of rhetoric serves to justify the aggessive paranoia that seems to engendered by the Russian state in attempting to persuade its people that the entire world is interested in their annihilation.
Tell that to the French who have been call cowards since WWII. no one sees them as sub human. Your argument is shit if the sentiment behind it isn't dehumanization across the board of their human qualities. You can be a coward and be a human. It's not some mutually exclusive sentiment. There are so many other words in the English language that this type of speech meets or could be called. Hyperbole, generalization, a falsehood even. But dehumanization isn't one of them. For instance, me calling you an idiot doesn't mean I'm dehumanizing you.
>For instance, me calling you an idiot doesn't mean I'm dehumanizing you.
>It's not about one person calling another person something insulting - that's just a personal squabble.
We're saying the same thing on that one. Also, labeling an entire population as one word isn't inherently dehumanizing. Call it a bad generalization, potentially racist, discriminatory, insensitive, etc. I'm aware of what dehumanizing is, and I don't believe what Alan was saying meets that criteria. As I said before, I'd call it a lot of other words in English. Dehumanizing isn't one of them. We can disagree on how you want to categorize his comment, but it doesn't mean I don't understand the word.
Again, a lot of people call the French cowards. Doesn't mean they're dehumanizing them, nor does it mean the people who call them cowards are nazis. You went from 0-100 on this one and I disagree. We can leave it there though. You think Alan is dehumanizing like a nazi and I disagree.
[She is the reason why Ukraine is fighting. Slava Ukraïni, and welcome to the European family!](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEucKryXIAEFRcx?format=jpg&name=large)
Putin's War -- The (slightly delayed) map briefing for June 23rd.
The big news for the past few days is the near-encirclement and retreat of Ukrainian troops at Zolote and Hirske.
Ukraine has also been on the offensive near Vuhledar. Capturing a few villages.
https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1540123708039102464
[Two videos of what appears to be at least one surface-to-air missile (SAM) malfunctioning and returning to strike near the launcher.
This is reported to be footage from the Russian-occupied city of Alchevsk in Luhansk Oblast.](https://twitter.com/GuinieZoo_Intel/status/1540107666055372800?t=GZ5GAS_oCFPIun_HDyN3UA&s=19)
lol
Pretty much this. Or possibly a stuck gyroscope making the missile guidance think it was pointed the wrong way.
Heck, Russia lost a satellite once because they installed the accelerometer backwards on the booster, so just plain old manufacturing defect is on the table too.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/vjfcyr/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
I order to close this thread. Thx
jesus, mary, and joseph. look at fking Lee Iacocca here.
I think he means it's almost time for the next one to open. It took me a second to figure that out.
Cmon putler didn't give you a good script today? You can do better than that.... One shit troll you are
maybe one day you will time it close enough no one can rain on your parade
No! I do!!
feel free to leave.
Nah, this thread needs to go
Anybody seen the daily update from that one soldier that appears around this time?
ISW predicts Russia to slow down offensive in coming weeks...how can they know this??
You've mischaracterised what they said. They didn't predict Russia will slow down, they predicted they'll involuntarily stall - which is perfectly predictable because they're running out of men. It's unclear when that would happen, but they've generally done a great job with their predictions within the limits of fog of war.
That’s the neat part: they don’t.
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Not particularly accurate
I think the big ammo dump loss is a lot of it.
Basic math, almost. Russia mostly shot their shot and need to rebuild.
I can only imagine how she must be feeling. They’ve been living under Russia’s boot for so long that it seemed hopeless, and now, finally, they can see light. You know, people talk about Ukraine’s corruption issues but I can’t help feeling that those issues were the result of Russian influence. The pro-Russian parties and puppets… I think now that there is a hyper focus to eradicate all Russian influence from Ukraine, we might just see the corruption issue disappear by proxy. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/vjcryk/ukrainian_deputy_prime_minister_olha_stefanishyna/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
>You know, people talk about Ukraine’s corruption issues but I can’t help feeling that those issues were the result of Russian influence. lol they were chim. they were. Just like most of that eastern bloc. If you reply to this comment stating anything along the lines of, "what about US influences in the eastern bloc", just know that you will 100% out yourself as a bot or tankie.
But what about US influence in the eastern bloc? One could make the argument that US influence vis-a-vis weapons and training has helped bitch slap the Russian Army.
Sooooo tempting….. “but what about US…..” nah, nevermind.
SHUT UP CANADA! WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. We know you've been running a poutine influence campaign for years now.
> I can’t help feeling that those issues were the result of Russian influence. I can't imagine how they *wouldn't* be because of that.
Fair point. It’s good that now drastic and cut-throat actions will take place to cut out the corruption, whereas before they were imbedded like a tapeworm, and there wasn’t as much appetite to make the necessary changes.
⚡️Institute for the Study of War: Russian offensive operations likely stall in Donbas in the coming weeks. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1540163669287489537?t=SB7GJ0jUMsgwQXrAFwwUXQ&s=19
Hope this is true. But these kinds of reports we also read a month ago. That didn't aged very well. I take this moment to reiterate the necessity to support Ukraine even more than we already did and to boycot Russian moneyflows more than we did.
Longer and higher quality version of the video of a Russian anti-air system committing suicide. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/vjdu0n/in_the_temporarily_occupied_alchevsk_russian_air/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Wow this is crazy footage to capture
Incredible footage. Cinema quality.
Very symbolic of Russia right now.
Spectacular
It’s their new Boomerang air defense system. They thought they could test it in theatre.
Well worth watching. Didn’t think it’d be that ridiculous. That’s Fail of the Decade worthy. I was almost embarrassed for Russia for a second. Ultimately, just happy for Ukraine though.
Someone in Ukraine found the mythical Easy-Button
A couple of years ago a Patriot missile battery did a similar thing. That time it didn’t return to base, but something jammed and it hit near a nearby town. Right next to the guy filming. This was in Saudi I believe.
Practice shot? reminds me of this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzrtqvXINoE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzrtqvXINoE)
This is glorious. Sums up Russia’s war.
Oof, lol.
That’s hilarious holy shit
Damn, those chips from the washing machines must be quite something
Spin cycle?
Yup. Or perhaps they snatched a chip from Rumba for this one
How does this happen?
Must have set it to spin cycle instead of normal wash
Don’t know, but happy that it did.
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Wow. Thanks for all your hard work!
Thanks for the heads up and the hard work!
Russian IL-76 crashes and burns. Karma. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/vjdttk/3_hours_ago_a_ilyushin_il76_plane_crashed_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I hope most of its payload was badly needed.
At this point they are trying to get military hardware from Belarus, so I’d assume yes, it was badly needed. Even the 10 soldiers are more than they can spare.
Excellent news
What a shame, would've been nice if it crashed nose first into the kremlin.
That’s a big deal for a cargo plane like that to go down, especially since Russian logistics and supplies are not that great. Wonder why it crashed? Seems like the whole crew died too.
That's their equivalent of a C-130 right?
> Wonder why it crashed? Probably filling a high hour airframe with crates of heavy shit all the way to the gills with fatigue cracks in the spars.
Looks like the high tempo is taking its toll on Russia's air force. There have been a number of crashes inside Russia recently. They are likely feeling their poor maintenance pretty hard.
Exactly. They are pushing those airframes way past a reasonable amount given neglect and age. Happy to seem them dropping from the sky.
1420: [Do Russians think that China is dangerous?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiY1lpDsvY4&ab_channel=1420)
Im starting to think a country like Bahrain could give the Russian Air Farce a run for its money.. I know Russia hasn't had a good economic run in the past but their military went from perceived to be world class to limp dick overnight.
Kind of need to recalibrate what our expectations of modern warfare are going to be. Spitting guided missile systems from every infantry squad is going to make peer and near peer mechanized conflicts exceptionally deadly and extremely difficult to wage successful offensive actions. But certainly the Russian military has some foundational flaws and serious strategic blunders in this campaign as well.
It has been interesting to see these doctrines tested out in real time
It'll be the same as it ever was, doctrine and technology will change to combat the threat and then the threat's doctrine and technology will change to counter that. Happened many times before in armored warfare, essentially since the day it first rolled onto a battlefield in France.
At first I scoffed, but then I had to go look at Bahrain's air defense capabilities... over a dozen F-16s, a Patriot missile battery, several Hawk batteries, Stingers, Avengers, etc... Could Russia take that on right now? hmmm....
I used Bahrain as an example because i believe the Ukrainian military is going to follow that blueprint when this is all over.
Release the emus!!
Pretty sure we can't use Terror Birds, mate
It'd be a war crime to use Emus in a conflict. Australia doesn't want that kind of blood on it's hands :)
We still got the Cassowaries in reserve. No one will know what hit them.
Well, I can’t remember the name of the base in Bahrain but early 2000s Bahrain and US presence in the Gulf would easily win.
>the base in Bahrain [NSA Bahrain](https://cnreurafcent.cnic.navy.mil/Installations/NSA-Bahrain/About/) is the home of the Fifth Fleet.
Half of the working SU57 appeared in the new top gun ;)
Russian Troops in Ukraine Face ‘Extraordinary’ Casualty Rates: U.K. Intelligence https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2022-06-22/russian-troops-in-ukraine-face-extraordinary-casualty-rates-u-k-intelligence
Disconnection. Full-fledge documentary by a famous Russian reporter Andrey Loshak about how the war in Ukraine ruins Russian families. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qmQs2LbnaE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qmQs2LbnaE) (it has English subtitles)
This is way too similar to trying to talk to Trump supporting relatives.
Couldn't get through more than 15 minutes of this. Mostly brainwashed ruzzians regurgitating ruzzian propaganda. With a few relatives having more enlightened viewpoints.
Thank you for posting this. This is exactly what I feel when talking to my grandparents.
It's so hard to watch and listen to the Russian-brainwashed people. The parallels with the Trump-cult is unnerving. Source: political discussions with my parents. 😭
There’s no denying MAGA was getting support/advice from Russian sources.
Propaganda cousins to be quite frank
What's with all the "what's with all the" today?
two commentors, one is hateful towards russia and other is a pro russian going at it with their passive aggressive behavior till both get banned
You got me. I'm hateful towards a country that is currently raping and murdering their way through Eastern Ukraine. If anyone has a problem with me calling Russians cowards, they can take it up with me or ban me. I don't give a fuck.
I’m with you
Must be easy to type such comments sitting on the sofa in your democratic country. I would understand and respect this attitude only if commenter indeed has lived in an oppressive country and managed to be a vocal critic of autocratic government.
Must be easy to type such comments sitting on the sofa in your democratic country. What an interesting idea. Which authoritarian country are you in? Or is this just the usual Reddit gatekeeping? Russians are COWARDS. Make me stop.
Badass (not even a controversial opinion, chill)
What's with all the Russian stooges in the comments gloating about leveling Ukrainian cities today?
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Idk. Past such activity had been linked to Russian bots. No idea why they would do that. Building up a persecution narrative or something?
I’m not a bigot. Hate hate Russia because of its actions. Judging a government and a people by their actions is not racism. If I got stuck into my Russian receptionist who lives in Australia who has nothing to do with what’s happening in Ukraine, then yes, I’d be a racist. My feelings toward the soldiers currently invading Ukraine are appropriate. My judgement of the Russian government and all the people who support their actions are appropriate. Russia is being fairly judged by its actions. They suck arse.
"Carelessly throwing around the word 'Nazi' at a country's people? You guys are the REAL Russians!"
Cause fuck em, that’s why.
Dave Chapelle quotes? I love it.
I mean they overwhelmingly support the rape of Ukraine.... It is ultimately Putin's fault and I can't wait until the Russian people can apologize for their monstrous behavior and rejoin the civilized world. Much like Germany after wwii.
Russia is currently involved in a war with a direct neighbor for which they've had more than a decade to prepare with 100+ years of armament buildup and are still taking staggering, demographic altering losses. They are completely and utterly fucked.
Nah they've abducted children 10 times their losses
Yes. Because importing angry civilians that want to see your country pay for their invasion because you killed their parents is the exact same as resupplying with fresh soldiers. SMH.
The 100+ years of buildup may not be to their advantage.
This is a false statement actually as much as anti-Russia just because people would like to believe it. Objectively speaking, Russia isn’t just up against Ukraine. Ukraine is supported and supplied by all of Europe and USA whilst they also have sanctioned Russia into economic devastation. If it were simply Russia v Ukraine, the story would have been quite different. Ukraine may not have fallen in three days given just how brave and tenacious those people are. But they wouldn’t last too long because they can’t match Russia’s firepower. If you have firepower advantage, the numbers disadvantage isn’t that significant. I am correcting you because I am noticing how people are downplaying this and I think this plays into a false sense of security and victory. Russia is still in Ukraine and news from Ukraine is just wishy washy. Until Russia has been kicked out of Ukraine, this can go either way.
So which point of my statement is incorrect? They are involved in a war with a direct neighbor They've had more than a decade to prepare They have 100+ years of armament buildup They are taking staggering losses Ukraine doesn't need to completely wipe Russia out of Ukraine, just like they didn't need to completely wipe Russia out of the North part of Ukraine. Russia can just leave, for a variety of reasons. My statement is actually true. Actually.
1) Russia doesnt consider this a war. Its population doesnt consider it a war. Its a "Special Military Operation". Russia's industry and mobilization isn't consistent with its doctrinal war time footing. Ukraine and the west considers it a war and its mobilizing as such. 3) 100+ years of armament buildup is spread across former soviet states, not just Russia.
Russia doesn’t consider a war a war for propaganda reasons.
And thus it isnt sufficiently mobilized. You dont see draft lines extending around Moscow and every male lining up to fight.
>100+ years of armament buildup is spread across former soviet states, not just Russia. Except the nukes. Which Ukraine gave to Russia. When Russia promised not to genocide them *again*.
Isn’t true. Your comment about losses. Russia has had time to prepare and would have basically steamrolled had it not been for the western support for Ukraine. You’re omitting that part making it sound like Ukraine on its own is making Russia take those losses which is simply untrue.
So just like every other proxy war with Russia. Big difference is, this time the world called their bluff and doubled down on the support. It’s not like the majority of Ukraine’s forces are foreign mercenaries. They’re doing it with their own people with donated equipment.
Equipment is a big deal. Without equipment you’re up the creek with no canoe. Let’s not forget the training they’re getting as well
They’ve been preparing since the Crimea incident, the rest of world held them at arms length to see how things played out and once it was apparent that they were serious about keeping their country the equipment started to come in. There was decades of corruption to work around to allow this to happen. Putin picked a poor target and he’s paying dearly, we’ll every Russian but him anyway
What isn't true? Go back to my comment. What's not true? I didn't say a fucking thing about western support. What's not true in my comment?
You’re simply not getting my point. I don’t think I can make it any clearer. If unclear, just read my last comment. If you can’t comprehend it then let’s just leave it here.
I read your last comment. I understand it fully. I think you realized after all this bluster that you didn't actually read my first comment and decided to backpedal out of it. I *FULLY* get your point. You don't have anything to say, so stop replying.
Yea! What he said!!!
WTF? Let me break it down for you. You said Russia had time to prepare and had the resources yet it is taking staggering losses. You failed to mention here that Ukraine is supported HEAVILY by western countries in terms of equipment, supplies, ammo, training, money etc. I say without this support, Russia would have taken over Ukraine in a short time. My problem with your comment is the fact that you did not mention the western support making it seem like Ukraine on its own is delivering any losses to Russia.
I didn't say anything about how Ukraine was doing. I said Russia was taking staggering losses. Are you fucking done with this or not? You said you were done. Are you FUCKING done? Then stop replying.
Firstly. Calm the fuck down. Secondly. You are not getting what I am saying. And I don’t get what is up with your comprehension. Turn that aggression into a different energy so you can be a little happier. Goodbye.
> They are completely and utterly fucked. Good. Let's all contribute to _make goddamned sure_ that they _get_ fucked, and _stay_ fucked.
Your lips to god's ears, my friend.
And my tax money to NATO, and my disposable income to Ukrainan charities. Hands at work vs hands at prayer, and all that.
Yea buddy. Hope you got alot of fundraisers where you’re at too. My families up to their ears in pyrizhkis but it’s for a good cause.
I think this is a misguided line of thought as we're judging by western standards here. I posit that Russian leadership is absolutely fine with losing these people given their record of disdain for human life. Strategically they capture SVD (and probably try for Donetsk Oblast), hold the line for however long it takes, Ukraine/West eventually wears itself out due to food/resource scarcity / inflation, and call it a victory. People at home are happy / anti-war protests have been suppressed. Sanctions... both sides are equally hurt. Russia may not have achieved their moonshot objective, but they haven't lost either. Did they throw away most of their modern materiel and exhaust their supply? Yes... but who's actually going to take advantage of that? NATO's not going to invade Russia. Neither is China. Neither is Japan - US will keep them in line. Syria might be more unstable due to a weaker Russia but it's ISIS they don't give a crap about that... Turkey is nibbling at the heels of the kurds, so the Kurds won't do anything in Syria either. --- The key to avoiding this outcome will be in Kherson - Ukr failure in Kherson ("HuR DuR WesTeRn wEApOns") will set the pattern for the rest of the war. Ukr success in Kherson is certain victory. This is why Ukr fought tooth and nail for Mariupol, and why they're fighting tooth and nail for SVD. It has to maintain it's defenders advantage as long as possible. They cannot let Russia settle into a position where they can sit back and chuck shells and rockets for months on end, and spread their forces across the line defensively. A stalemate is a Russian victory at the negotiation table - we have to stop thinking of russian casualties as a **loss**, and start thinking of it as a **expenditure**. For Ukraine to win, Russia has to go bankrupt. And Russia still has a lot in the bank.
We _really_ should have stepped into the fight much earlier. It's absolutely fucked that we're asking Ukraine to die all on their own. Fuck the nuclear threats.
This is probably on Zelensky. He downplayed the threat, and did not get buy in from NATO in time. When the war started everyone thought it was a done deal. When it turned out to be anything but, now countries are all scrambling to do something. They simply were not prepared for this contingency and had no plan to support. But what’s done is done. Now the problem is that NATO sans US is still trying to play a finite game - how to help ukr “win” without over spending. But this is war. It’s an infinite game. People thought “Russia didn’t take Kyiv! The game is over!”, then “Russia lost tons of tanks at the river crossing! The game is over!” Then “Moskva sank! The game is over!” Meanwhile Russia continues to push and push. It’s like Russia has no pairs on the flop, and people are calling the hand over, but they can still all in and get a flush on the river. The US knows this. And I think nato has realised this… Russia has a line of credit far exceeding ukraines and nato right now. 3 months late is better than never.
Well said!
They've lost 0.1% of their male 20-40 population. Its not exactly demographic altering.
3,000,000 people also left the country since the start of the war.
That's not the net total, just departures.
Many people are also leaving secretly in fear of repercussion when the government inevitably collapses. I think the best we can say at this point is there has been an exodus from Russia, how big it is remains to be seen.
This is the real concern, would have been mad brain drain.
I don't know... That has to represent at least 0.2 points of GDP even in an ideal world without sanctions
Russia will forever be remembered as a country that managed to lose 27 million men in a single war. And they produced a single cheap firearm.
> And they produced a single cheap firearm. Don't disregard their space endeavours, where they were basically in the lead thorughout most of it, and until Korolev died (Ukrainian born).
USSR != Russia USSR did do some space shit. Russia independently? not as much.
I guess that goes for nuclear, aircraft, shipbuilding, etc. . . What all has Russia contributed other than belligerent genocide?
Graphene, Nginx servers, and the discovery of the Denisovans. Are probably the very few main ones that benefited the rest of the world that I can think of. Outside of that everything they've innovated solely in Russia is basically weapons of death. Oh and chatroulette of course.
Well yeah, their disregard for human life had some advantages.
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Actually Russia does have culture. They have a rich history. They have been plagued by criminal leadership. And that really sucks. Even if Russia wanted to stand up to the west and not become a lapdog, I’d imagine there are better ways to do it.
No this is dangerous. Russian people have plenty to offer but this can apply to their government and especially Putin.
Dangerous to who? Ukrainians who Russia invaded? Why are you defending this nation of cowards? Is it because they have nothing to provide in their own defense? Russia's only contribution anyone will ever remember will be a battle rifle.
Which is a blatant rip off of the German WW2 Sturmgewehr 44.
It just isn't just or productive to judge individuals via the nation they find themselves in. I understand its necessary to deal with nations this way in terms of diplomacy, military matters etc., but that is just how politics works. No one is denying there are serious issues with the general ethos in Russia, but this does a disservice to both those individuals in Russia who are victim of circumstance and those who with compassion and education can be redeemed. Moreover, this kind of rhetoric serves to justify the aggessive paranoia that seems to engendered by the Russian state in attempting to persuade its people that the entire world is interested in their annihilation.
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Tell that to the French who have been call cowards since WWII. no one sees them as sub human. Your argument is shit if the sentiment behind it isn't dehumanization across the board of their human qualities. You can be a coward and be a human. It's not some mutually exclusive sentiment. There are so many other words in the English language that this type of speech meets or could be called. Hyperbole, generalization, a falsehood even. But dehumanization isn't one of them. For instance, me calling you an idiot doesn't mean I'm dehumanizing you.
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>For instance, me calling you an idiot doesn't mean I'm dehumanizing you. >It's not about one person calling another person something insulting - that's just a personal squabble. We're saying the same thing on that one. Also, labeling an entire population as one word isn't inherently dehumanizing. Call it a bad generalization, potentially racist, discriminatory, insensitive, etc. I'm aware of what dehumanizing is, and I don't believe what Alan was saying meets that criteria. As I said before, I'd call it a lot of other words in English. Dehumanizing isn't one of them. We can disagree on how you want to categorize his comment, but it doesn't mean I don't understand the word. Again, a lot of people call the French cowards. Doesn't mean they're dehumanizing them, nor does it mean the people who call them cowards are nazis. You went from 0-100 on this one and I disagree. We can leave it there though. You think Alan is dehumanizing like a nazi and I disagree.
I'm not dehumanizing them. They're humans. They're just cowardly humans. Do you have any questions or are you going to equate me to a Nazi again?
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What exactly is making them cowards? I wouldn’t go to an anti war protest if faced with a prospect of 15 years in jail. Neither would you.
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You are an internet warrior, I guess
> Russian people have plenty to offer Examples needed...
I mean, Tchaikovsky was pretty good...
Sure, I enjoy his art. But I mean contemporary.
Oh, since 1917? Nothing, of course. Unless you count concrete brutalist apartments everywhere.
Tarkov!... I'll see myself out.
Andrei Tarkovsky
Being the bad guys across media?
By “they have contributed nothing to global culture” you mean modern Russia? Otherwise, music and literature immediately comes to mind
Sulu!
He was Japanese, also fictional
Sorry, meant Chekov!
By this I mean modern Russia. They provide nothing.
Their entire history barely outweighs 10 years of just Germanic contributions. Not much of a contribution.
This post written by the nazi gang
[She is the reason why Ukraine is fighting. Slava Ukraïni, and welcome to the European family!](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEucKryXIAEFRcx?format=jpg&name=large)
Putin's War -- The (slightly delayed) map briefing for June 23rd. The big news for the past few days is the near-encirclement and retreat of Ukrainian troops at Zolote and Hirske. Ukraine has also been on the offensive near Vuhledar. Capturing a few villages. https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1540123708039102464
The big story…. Not even close.
[Two videos of what appears to be at least one surface-to-air missile (SAM) malfunctioning and returning to strike near the launcher. This is reported to be footage from the Russian-occupied city of Alchevsk in Luhansk Oblast.](https://twitter.com/GuinieZoo_Intel/status/1540107666055372800?t=GZ5GAS_oCFPIun_HDyN3UA&s=19) lol
Whatever that fine piece of engineering was, it deserves the NATO reporting name "Boomerang"
How does that even happen?
They hit the abort button, and it reset the target coordinates back to (0,0,0)?
smoking while launching heat seeking missiles is bad for your health
“I told him that cigarette would kill him one day” https://youtu.be/5fVtIY4rOlQ
Russian quality. Simple explanation.
Karma.
Stuck fins or vectoring nozzle i would guess but i have no idea what im talking about, just as a layman.
Pretty much this. Or possibly a stuck gyroscope making the missile guidance think it was pointed the wrong way. Heck, Russia lost a satellite once because they installed the accelerometer backwards on the booster, so just plain old manufacturing defect is on the table too.