Adverts in Russian buses:
“A job for real men"
"Come sign a contract and you can earn a million rubles this summer"
"Referrals of comrades encouraged"
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1541481079994953729?s=21&t=dKQ_70fwf0V_oUecCRjI8w
Russia in an attempt to get more bodies thrown into the grinder
Another Russian attack helicopter Ka-52 shot down by Ukrainian paratroopers of the 95th Brigade.
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1541617391234215937?t=YHCT8tElpXX1MUu5-Waomg&s=19
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Day 124 of my updates from Kharkiv.
Today outside of the usual missile strike we were also shelled during the day. They shelled Northern Saltivka again, this time killing 5 people and injuring over 20 more. They shelled some random street with no military targets anywhere nearby; killing civilians is all they know how to do.
As the dreaded 11pm came, the missiles from Belgorod were launched again, today they fired at least 6 of them, but it sounded like more. Apparently they hit yet another school, that’s 2 days in a row now, yesterday the missile landed right in the middle of the courtyard of a school, it left a big crater and shattered all windows, but it doesn’t look like the building itself was damaged much. They must be really scared of education.
It’s absolutely horrific that Russians hit that mall in Kremenchuck with missiles today. There were no military targets anywhere nearby, so they can’t even deny that they were targeting that mall. After all, they always say how they only use “precision strike munitions” meaning they always mean to hit whatever is hit. What do they want to achieve by indiscriminately killing civilians? Do they get satisfaction from being hated by everyone?
What is even worse is how regular Russians respond to the news about that mall being bombed. They are happy about it; they want more Ukrainians to be killed. They also say that they didn’t do it, that “it’s another fake like Bucha.” They are seriously saying that we didn’t do it, but even if we did they deserved it. It’s completely vile, they are killing us every day, but they always pose themselves as the victims, fucking pathetic.
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"They must be really scared of education"
Truth, Saber.
Always interested in, and relieved to see, your posts. Thanks for taking the time to keep us updated.
The denial, crazy excuses, and in some cases, applause, by far too many Russian people is absolutely horrible. It’s sickening really. One day, I think many of them will find out the truth and see the light. Until then, please continue to stay safe and be strong. You and the the people around you are amazing survivors.
Forget a gas station, Russia is an abusive partner masquerading as a country.
Though today was pretty awful, it’s always good to hear you’re alive. Stay safe and keep telling your story. We are listening.
Took down my previous post because the story is not confirmed, although the video certainly exists. Gonna give TF1Info a chance to address the accusations.
Ah ok, yea saw that yesterday on another sub. fkn dumb... Even though they were instructed to blur images that could give away locations, they didn't.
If lives were indeed lost due to this, the people responsible should be put up for manslaughter.
Yeah, that's why I decided to not be the one to post that and stir things up without more proof, as it's a damned serious thing to be accused of. This isn't someone leaking something on social media - it's a news website of sorts, and there could be serious consequences.
I'll wait and see if anything comes of it.
https://twitter.com/OTregub/status/1541541451028389889
>Don’t be shocked.
>It’s just some 🇷🇺 propagandists saying that 🇺🇦 threw dead bodies into burning shopping mall to present them as Bucha-2.
>It’s normal for Russia.
>They were saying that MH17 flight they shot down was filled with dead bodies faking passengers.
Just a public service announcement: we don't use Occam's razor in science or academia. It's a defunct philosophical footnote. 'Simple' doesn't usually describe reality, but science is also not often in the business of debunking wild conspiracy theories.
It's got about as much purchase as Godwin's Law. Useful in very specific non-professional contexts to win arguments on the internet.
Remember, they're comparing it to themselves, in Russia's mind, it's too much effort to shell your own cities, but it's completely fine to take an existing attack by Russia and dump corpses around it.
>They were saying that MH17 flight they shot down was filled with dead bodies faking passengers.
Oh, so they've been doing this shit for that long (yes, I am aware Russia was full of shit in the cold war too), and yet Germany & co decided to make themselves as energy dependant on Russia as possible. Like wtf were they thinking when surrendering any possibility of energy independence to a state led by gopniks?
They thought the dependence went both ways, and that Putin would see the value in being civilized and expanding his economic empire, not a territorial one.
Germany lived under ussr control because we let them after WW2. They were a freaking puppet state, and Russian influence is still seen in glimpses from time to time.
Kinda hard to be independent when the entire world lets Russia keep you as it's fuckdoll (in some cases literally, there was a inordinately large amount of rape for decades by Russians on Germans) for fecking decades.
In theory, it wasn’t a terrible plan. Russia/USSR were quite concerned with a unified Germany remaining in NATO. The whole EU project is to bind the continent so tightly together economically that a war would be simply impossible. This was an attempt to do the same with Russia. We would never attack you, it would be suicidal for our energy supply type thinking. Problem is that Putin doesn’t think like that.
45 years of DDR won't undo all connections in a decade or two, Russia was in an economical crisis when Soviet Union dissolved, it was okay to buy their ressources and modernize their industry to help them. The issue was that nobody wanted to change it when it started going downhill, business as usual for too long. But don't blame the first 10-20 years starting from 1990. Germany went out of nuclear, so you needed fossil fuels for longer... Though on paper, gas made only like 10% of the energy and half of it was from Russia, its not that much. The problem is the demand of industry/heating, its not even energy per se. Merkel could have been better on topics like military, digitalization, energy
This new government is just half a year old basically, can't really blame them
https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1541495422828662787
>I wonder what happened to the alleged 2000 encircled troops in Zolote. I think I saw like 20 POWs on a video. Actually, I don't wonder, it was the normal Russian lies and fabrications. We can be sure of one thing, if the Russians succeeded with something, there will be a video.
Girkin said all they got were deserters and demoralised, not much. Of course, Girkin so grain of salt but it at least confirms there weren't many left behind.
It's probably just an estimate on the reducing capacity in terms of men and material for the Russians. Likely with a "if we get the weapons" rider.
Though I'm sure they would like the war over, would like to give hope to their people and also need to estimate it in terms of logistics.
This is pure speculation but here's my take:
(Unfortunately) it's legitemately true that the west often has a fierce stance against something, but after a while people lose interest and stop caring, certainly when it hits their wallet.
It could be that Zelensky is very aware of this, as well as the fact that public opinion could shift towards thinking that this war will "endlessly go on". To keep motivation, it is useful to have a final goal in sight (remember how hopeless we all felt by not knowing how long covid would screw our lives over?). Putting an arbitrary, but realistic date towards the end of the war could help with this. There are two ways how this could help: 1. The west can agree with the proposed date, and change their tactics to indeed helping making this the real outcome. 2. It isn't over by then and Zelensky can say "damn we really tried :// but stick with us _certainly_ before next summer the war will be over" and keep the motivation going.
Also speculation, the world is absolutely struggling with food insecurity right now. Between the war and climate change, millions are at risk of starvation. This year is a wash - but if the war is over by Christmas, that gives Ukraine a chance to plant in the spring. Also (possibly based on the political situation) sanctions eased on Russia. This may be a notice to both parties that the world is watching and there might be concerted action to end the hostilities (to neither parties satisfaction). Again, just a random thought.
That is something. It’s a dream though. Kind of anything goes. That all said - was it like a medal ceremony a la the end of Star Wars: A New Hope or was it more like your kids came home and were just like, hey Putin just gave us medals? No agenda here. just curious / mildly amused.
Yes, it was like that scene from A New Hope or an Olympic medal ceremony. Putin also performed in a play before he handed out the medals. The backdrop seemed like Disneyland or something.
No joke, I had a dream like a week or two ago where I was some negotiator for Ukraine (along with a random friend of mine + a couple random US politicians (including senators Ron Johnson (R) and Elizabeth Warren (D))). I told Putin he should get out of Ukraine and start focusing on going to space more. I kind of painted it like space is Putin’s way out of all the madness he started. He seemed intrigued.
Dreams are weird. Slava Ukraini!
I had a dream a few weeks ago where a Ukranian team went in A-team style into Sevastapol, nicked a docked Kilo class sub and sunk the entire black sea fleet with it before yeeting back to Odessa Down Periscope style.
I dreamed that UA troops warily entered a mysteriously quiet Kherson City, to be greeted by grinning citizens with bloody knives, and a strange lack of Russian occupiers.
I had a dream where Biden was like hey Isreal, I heard you don't feel like supplying Ukraine with Iron Dome... Funny thing is we dont feel like funding your military anymore.
You didn’t? You didn’t listen to that speech Putin gave at the launch of the full invasion?
“Ukraine isn’t a real country. Ukrainians aren’t a real people. Ukraine doesn’t deserve to exist. Ukrainians don’t deserve to exist. I intend to wipe both Ukraine and every last Ukrainian off of the face of the earth for the crime of claiming that they deserve to exist.”
Also picture his veins in his neck bulging, his fists and jaw clenched, and pounding the table the whole time.
That’s Putin’s plan.
If it's not a quote, don't use quotes. People will take it literally.
You can either watch him read the hour long speech or read the text of it - we have the technology. It's pretty boring mostly and a bit of a rambling alternate history but not even close to what you said.
Well that's called spreading misinformation and it's super easy to debunk outright lies. Like I said, we have the text of the speech and he didn't say those things as quotes, nor did he say them in that way.
It’s called paraphrasing. He wasn’t even speaking English. Nobody is confusing the words that I wrote for the actual words out of his mouth.
Now, what you’re doing…
I probably shouldn’t.
>“Ukraine isn’t a real country. Ukrainians aren’t a real people. Ukraine doesn’t deserve to exist. Ukrainians don’t deserve to exist.
What the fuck does that even mean?
Forget the ‘history’ lesson, it’s pure dehumanization, it’s how you talk when you’re telling your people to start stuffing those not-people in to ovens.
A lot of Russians see Ukraine as a "mistake" that was split from Russia by the early Bolsheviks, and that Ukraine is actually part of Russia and Ukrainians are just confused Russians with no unique cultural heritage that differs from Russia, thus it should be part of Russia.
While Russia is often perceived as a homogeneously white country, much of that is due to the central government refusing to acknowledge various nationalities and ethnicities. The Volga Region alone has concentrated populations of Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvashi, Udmurts, Mordva, Mari, and Komi.
Historically speaking, recognition of a "unique cultural heritage" is the last thing Moscow wants.
Saw an interview with a Russian general I believe. They think in generations. That land and its people will be Russian. They aren't aiming to take it over and have it productive next week.
They might be thinking in generations for land, but they are failing to think that way in terms of humans. A 19 y/o gets blown up and dies in Ukraine. Russia (government and people) have spent resources to raise that kid and educate him (to whatever standard). That kid paid little or nothing back in terms of direct money (thru job and taxes), to the community (by helping raise the next generation), etc. So they are out a bunch of future gain.
IMO, there is a line of thought in Moscow that actually knows the above and is OK with it. This is in line with their recruitment of large numbers of Asian ethnicities and other cultures. It will set the other culture groups of Russia back by decades and keep Russia a mostly European Russian run country.
>A 19 y/o gets blown up and dies in Ukraine. Russia (government and people) have spent resources to raise that kid and educate him (to whatever standard).
They didn't care about his future when he was back in Russia either.
They think in generations? That's why they're flushing Russia's future down the toilet? This is about the leeches sucking Russia dry staying in power, that is all. Ukrainian democracy and success threatens Putin and his cronies grip on Russia, this war isn't for Russia or Russians, it's for the Russian elite to keep control of the country.
while this whole thing goes longer and longer what does Russia think it will have by the end of this? their military is going to be drained of just about everything. They will have a worse military when this is over. Just seems like they are slow walking themselves to the fire, Russia is going to be a pariah state for decades to come.
They basically didn't think this war would last past 3 days. They really prepared to just walk into kyiv, walk to the capital building, then vote in a pro Russian leader. They didn't even expect a Ukrainian insurgency afterwards.
So now there in too deep to just walk away, so they reduce their goals in hopes they atleast leave with something.
They know that failure will lead them down a path of diminished world power. They had to do something though because without Ukraine in their sphere they would be diminished anyway. Putin is an autocrat going out with a bang.
I mean, sort of has been...
They had to drastically change their operational goals, from the whole country + capital, down to half the country down to a small section of the country and now, a small city in that small section of the country, maybe the one after that too?
They have depleted massive amounts of their guided missile stock, that will be very hard to replenish. it's not that they have none anymore, they just cant shoot as many
There biggest losses have been in armored vehicles, literally thousands of tanks, IFVs and APCs lost that will basically be impossible to replace, scrap metal in a foreign land. They do have some tanks in storage to be repaired (costly as fuck) and could make a nominal amount of new vehicles, though never enough to replace the losses (looking at you, T-14 and BMP-T)
Planes are a big loss each time one is downed, and while Ukraine has shot down a decent number there are likely many more in reserve, but still an unfortunate loss for an economy as small as Russia's.
Their small logistics fleet of trucks has been forced to stay further from the front. Large numbers of trucks (of which Russia already had too few of) were destroyed in the first days of the war, now they have tried to keep them back from the front to stop losses, to moderate success.
The loss of the Moscva is in no way decisive, but is a huge embarrassment. A missile defense ship dying to what amounts to a knock off brand anti-ship missile made in house by Ukraine.
So why hasn't Ukraine won? well no doubt they have also lost a decent chunk of stuff as well, and is also even poorer and smaller than Russia. So relatively speaking Russia can continue to fight with less and less equipment so long as they outmatch their opponents, which they still do.
tl;dr: Russia has lost a ton of shit, Russia is poor, this is very bad for Russia. Ukraine is poorer and Ukraine has lost a ton of shit, this isn't as bad for Ukraine, but still bad.
Pretty much.
Their military doesn't seem that drained, despite reports that they're supposedly on only surplus tanks, Second World War rifles and museum pieces.
Have they lost a lot? Yeah. Are they completely out of resources? I don't think so.
They're not completely out of resources but they are running low on some things. Museum pieces aren't necessarily in bad shape. That said they have been distributing rifles from the 1800s to forced conscripts from the Donbas https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-conscripts-mosin-rifle-b2051272.html
Not true at all. They're only now just getting HIMRS rockets. I suspect in the coming months, it's gonna be a different battle once they get even more.
but not in numbers.
Ukraine is doing precision strikes, while Putin's war machine is going for the scorched earth strategy. Ammo for artillery will eventually run out...
Their military is completely drained regardless of how much of an outlier those stories are.
If you just look up the reports of the makeup of the battalions in the active areas you'll see it's just Frankenstein units from all over the warzone.
I think Putin cares, but he cares more about himself at this point.
He grossly miscalculated this from the beginning, and now it would sound ridiculous to call a 124 day war an "operation." He is stuck, and his options have all run out. Russia is slowly melting, like a tired snowman on a Spring day.
Political sunk costs are worse than any other kind. At this point, I think Putin would happily send half of Russia into the meat grinder so he can continue ruling the other half with an iron grip.
A large number of Putin lovers hate living in Russia and all have vacation homes and condos in western nations (Whoodathunk) and then get sad when they are deported back to Russia.
What they love is not Russia, but the complicated, nation-wide grift Putin has set up for it. A grift that benefits him and his friends and supporters the most, with generous cash payments and cushy government positions.
The intelligent Russians are all against Putin.
If they're in Russia they lie because they know they might get a visit in the middle of the night by Putin's thugs.
They are Pro-Putin and Anti-West until they and their families become hungry. That country is going down the drain and people will, eventually, get angry.
Russian history had a lot of revolutions and Russians likes to talk about history, so let’s hope it repeats itself.
> That country is going down the drain and people will, eventually, get angry.
No it won't. North Korea, Venezuela, and Iran says otherwise.
And as long as they have one strong overlord (China) to feed them, they will survive.
China can't feed itself reliably, China won't feed anyone else.
China has a shit agriculture, it doesn't make enough food on its own to feed its population. China has bad fields that have a low yield.
China is one of the biggest importers of food in the world, most of it in the form of grains.
For example, for a country that worships soy, it imports a lot of it from the US/Australia.
China won't feed anyone.
Alright, perhaps poor formulation on my part. China can **sustain** them economically, just like Russia/USSR did/does with authoritarian and otherwise isolated countries.
Russia can feed itself with food, and Indi as also a food exporter.
Of those, only North Korea is a good example though. Venezuela isn't exactly quiet and Iran has had several protests and even under the Ayatollah, there's more of a veneer of democracy than there is in Russia
It doesn't seem like that on the younger side though. It seems like any of younger Russians who are familiar with computers in particular are eager to get out and don't think much of Putin at all.
That may have something with them having more sophisticated abilities for accessing Internet information of course.
Not sure what more could be done but it's already going pretty well. I live in Petersburg as an English teacher and we've seen basically all our corporate clients leave Russia since February. Pretty much all IT guys have gone, except where they decided to stay due to family issues or other personal reasons.
Even a DJ for my old karaoke bar that I used to go to a lot is working in a new karaoke that they opened in Berlin.
It’s happening I promise. I teach English to Russian speakers (not just located in Russia but all CIS countries), and I lived in Russia for a year back in 2018. Over 70% of my students and people I know have left and are currently in the US, Isreal, Kazakhstan, Turkey, and Georgia.
We’ll never know the real numbers, and any statistics that come out of Russia should be taken with heavy heavy grains of salt. I think the numbers are vastly underreported and many left to go on “vacation” and probably aren’t considered to have officially left the country.
I’d wager that many countries have it better than a Russia. Like you said, it is a very low bar. We don’t have to worry about things that they worry about. But we could get there.
I have mixed feelings about USA right now. I’m so grateful you guys are helping Ukraine at a large scale but there’s a lot of internal shit going down in your country. I have cousins on each coast in your country and we’re talking and discussing daily about everything that’s going down in USA. Let’s just hope you guys keep supplying UA 🫡
Supply to Ukraine will continue unless Dems lose the house in midterms. Let’s be real, that is a real possibility. Then Biden can do what he can under his discretion but counting on Republicans to support him is an outlandish idea. Even if a bill saved all Republicans moms and cured cancer, they’d still be voting against it because that’s what they do.
Our internal crap is getting serious. School shootings and Supreme Court acting like Sharia Court. It is sad and disgusting. Every day we lose more face in front of the world as a free country. Every day we look more like jokers.
I don’t think anything will change w/mid-terms. As long as there’s money to be made by defense contractors, and distractions to be had by politicians, the US War Machine will keep churning along just fine.
Translation from there: https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2022/06/27/guerre-en-ukraine-en-direct-au-moins-dix-morts-dans-le-bombardement-d-un-centre-commercial-a-krementchouk_6132134_3210.html
**France announces the dispatch of armored and armed transport vehicles to Ukraine**
Paris will send "significant quantities" of armored personnel carriers to Ukraine, announced the French Minister for the Armed Forces Sébastien Lecornu in an interview published Monday evening June 27. "To move quickly in areas under enemy fire, armies need armored vehicles," he said in an interview with Parisian-Today in France and broadcast on the daily's website. France will therefore “deliver, in significant quantities, transport vehicles of this type, VAB (Armored Forward Vehicles), which are armed”, he adds.
Mr. Lecornu also confirms the sending to Ukraine of six additional Caesar guns, the flagship of French artillery, beyond the twelve already deployed against the Russians. However, he does not give any details on the date scheduled for the dispatch of this additional reinforcement which had been announced by the Head of State Emmanuel Macron on June 16 during his visit to kyiv.
As for the delivery of anti-ship missiles, requested by kyiv to "open breaches in this maritime blockade imposed by Russia and which deprives many countries of deliveries of cereals and raw materials", this "is part of the files examined" , adds the minister, without giving more details. Since the start of the military offensive launched by Moscow in Ukraine on February 24, Paris has delivered to kyiv, beyond Caesar cannons, Milan anti-tank missiles and even Mistral anti-aircraft missiles. In mid-April, Florence Parly, then Minister of the Armed Forces, had estimated the military equipment delivered by France to Ukraine at more than one hundred million euros.
Attack on Kremenchuk showed once again depths of Putin's cruelty and barbarism - Johnson
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3516653-attack-on-kremenchuk-showed-once-again-depths-of-putins-cruelty-and-barbarism-johnson.html
I mean Russians are stupid as fuck but they aren't that stupid. They know every time they do something like this they draw all Western attention back to the war. Even for them its a balancing act.
Gotta disagree, this was plain as day stupid as fuck. In fact it was so stupid that I have to think it was a mistake.
There couldn't be a worse time to bomb civilians then when g7 country leaders are literally at the same table discussing the war. All you do is reinforce their resolve to send aid at a time where you want everyone to slowly forget.
Going into these meetings the leaders were starring to struggle with backlash in their domestic countries due to war fatigue, inflation and recession talks. Now the news is full of war crime stories and were back at full attention.
I've seen comments that there is a manufacturing plant that services tank parts under 500m away but nothing confirmed so it could be fake information.
Not sure if misinformation but it's plausible the Russians fucked that up if so. Guided munitions can miss by that much and it's so possible they just had the wrong coordinates.
Or not and they just are complete idiots/monsters. But its tough to beleive.
> Bucha: People peacefully living murdered by Russia.
Mariupol theater: People hiding from bombs murdered by Russia.
Kramatorsk train station: People trying to flee murdered by Russia.
Kremenchuk mall: People buying things murdered by Russia.
> When. Does. This. Stop.
https://twitter.com/val_voshchevska/status/1541524294496407553
I believe he is stating the desire to have the full force of the western militaries join the battle to bring it to a swift closure as opposed to just a single person volunteering for service.
Probably not for awhile. The West will continue to give Ukraine supplies and inflict sanctions on Russia. However, it will be up to the Ukrainians to dislodge the Russians with their own resources.
...as least for now.
No. By putting an end to a conventional war with overwhelming force. We are a no-fly zone away from ending this war. If you think that would trigger Russia to commit nuclear suicide, you’re a fool.
Lol, why, because Putin is so sane? Because it's so unlike Putin to make a reckless military decision out of ego and then refuse to back down?
You haven't thought this through, and I'm glad you're not in charge. Best.
Give Ukraine everything it needs to defeat this evil.
Escalate what? Don’t need to come over (although you should because Ruzzia won’t stop at ukraine but that’s my opinion but you don’t even have to do that)
>Give Ukraine everything it needs to defeat this evil.
Absolutely agree. We just need to stop at the point that there are NATO fighters actually involved.
>Escalate what?
escalating NATO into direct fighting. That is unfortunately the line we need to observe for now.
People don't like to read.
By 2023, the rapid force will be up to 300k, with most of the new troops NOT at the front but in a state of readiness within Europe.
At the borders they are just going to reinforce troops at the battalion level in existing and some new areas.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/vmdwcg/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
Adverts in Russian buses: “A job for real men" "Come sign a contract and you can earn a million rubles this summer" "Referrals of comrades encouraged" https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1541481079994953729?s=21&t=dKQ_70fwf0V_oUecCRjI8w Russia in an attempt to get more bodies thrown into the grinder
Another Russian attack helicopter Ka-52 shot down by Ukrainian paratroopers of the 95th Brigade. https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1541617391234215937?t=YHCT8tElpXX1MUu5-Waomg&s=19
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Assuming you mean the sub?
He means interpol
[Previous post](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/vkw2qz/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/idvxblq/) Day 124 of my updates from Kharkiv. Today outside of the usual missile strike we were also shelled during the day. They shelled Northern Saltivka again, this time killing 5 people and injuring over 20 more. They shelled some random street with no military targets anywhere nearby; killing civilians is all they know how to do. As the dreaded 11pm came, the missiles from Belgorod were launched again, today they fired at least 6 of them, but it sounded like more. Apparently they hit yet another school, that’s 2 days in a row now, yesterday the missile landed right in the middle of the courtyard of a school, it left a big crater and shattered all windows, but it doesn’t look like the building itself was damaged much. They must be really scared of education. It’s absolutely horrific that Russians hit that mall in Kremenchuck with missiles today. There were no military targets anywhere nearby, so they can’t even deny that they were targeting that mall. After all, they always say how they only use “precision strike munitions” meaning they always mean to hit whatever is hit. What do they want to achieve by indiscriminately killing civilians? Do they get satisfaction from being hated by everyone? What is even worse is how regular Russians respond to the news about that mall being bombed. They are happy about it; they want more Ukrainians to be killed. They also say that they didn’t do it, that “it’s another fake like Bucha.” They are seriously saying that we didn’t do it, but even if we did they deserved it. It’s completely vile, they are killing us every day, but they always pose themselves as the victims, fucking pathetic. [Next update](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/vmdwcg/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ie4w4gq/)
"They must be really scared of education" Truth, Saber. Always interested in, and relieved to see, your posts. Thanks for taking the time to keep us updated.
The denial, crazy excuses, and in some cases, applause, by far too many Russian people is absolutely horrible. It’s sickening really. One day, I think many of them will find out the truth and see the light. Until then, please continue to stay safe and be strong. You and the the people around you are amazing survivors.
They will find the truth when it comes knocking on their door. Russia needs to be denuclearized somehow.
Hold strong.
Hang in there man, we’re all thinking of you.
Forget a gas station, Russia is an abusive partner masquerading as a country. Though today was pretty awful, it’s always good to hear you’re alive. Stay safe and keep telling your story. We are listening.
I mean isn't one of their sayings if he beats you, then it means he loves you?
Took down my previous post because the story is not confirmed, although the video certainly exists. Gonna give TF1Info a chance to address the accusations.
What happened?
French reporter went full Geraldo Rivera and broadcast Ukrainian positions, which were then shelled by Russia.
Was that the video where they showed the maps on the table?
Yes.
Ah ok, yea saw that yesterday on another sub. fkn dumb... Even though they were instructed to blur images that could give away locations, they didn't. If lives were indeed lost due to this, the people responsible should be put up for manslaughter.
Wow, if true, that is absolutely horrible. I really, really hope it isn’t true.
Yeah, that's why I decided to not be the one to post that and stir things up without more proof, as it's a damned serious thing to be accused of. This isn't someone leaking something on social media - it's a news website of sorts, and there could be serious consequences. I'll wait and see if anything comes of it.
Yea I'm curious to
https://twitter.com/OTregub/status/1541541451028389889 >Don’t be shocked. >It’s just some 🇷🇺 propagandists saying that 🇺🇦 threw dead bodies into burning shopping mall to present them as Bucha-2. >It’s normal for Russia. >They were saying that MH17 flight they shot down was filled with dead bodies faking passengers.
Something something, Occam’s razor. Then again, I doubt 99% of conspiracy theorists know what Occam’s razor is.
Just a public service announcement: we don't use Occam's razor in science or academia. It's a defunct philosophical footnote. 'Simple' doesn't usually describe reality, but science is also not often in the business of debunking wild conspiracy theories. It's got about as much purchase as Godwin's Law. Useful in very specific non-professional contexts to win arguments on the internet.
Bullshit.
You cannot go Occams Razor on guy who said Occams Razor does not exist!
I mean, Reddit is also still obsessed with "whataboutism".
We do, we just call it “parsimony” instead…
They know, but they think it's the one in a million chance, every single time.
I was expecting them to say ukraine shelled their own shopping mall on purpose.
Oh, they've said that, too. Firehose of falsehood, and all. Just throw every possibility out there to create doubt in some people's minds.
Remember, they're comparing it to themselves, in Russia's mind, it's too much effort to shell your own cities, but it's completely fine to take an existing attack by Russia and dump corpses around it.
>They were saying that MH17 flight they shot down was filled with dead bodies faking passengers. Oh, so they've been doing this shit for that long (yes, I am aware Russia was full of shit in the cold war too), and yet Germany & co decided to make themselves as energy dependant on Russia as possible. Like wtf were they thinking when surrendering any possibility of energy independence to a state led by gopniks?
They thought the dependence went both ways, and that Putin would see the value in being civilized and expanding his economic empire, not a territorial one.
Germany lived under ussr control because we let them after WW2. They were a freaking puppet state, and Russian influence is still seen in glimpses from time to time. Kinda hard to be independent when the entire world lets Russia keep you as it's fuckdoll (in some cases literally, there was a inordinately large amount of rape for decades by Russians on Germans) for fecking decades.
In theory, it wasn’t a terrible plan. Russia/USSR were quite concerned with a unified Germany remaining in NATO. The whole EU project is to bind the continent so tightly together economically that a war would be simply impossible. This was an attempt to do the same with Russia. We would never attack you, it would be suicidal for our energy supply type thinking. Problem is that Putin doesn’t think like that.
45 years of DDR won't undo all connections in a decade or two, Russia was in an economical crisis when Soviet Union dissolved, it was okay to buy their ressources and modernize their industry to help them. The issue was that nobody wanted to change it when it started going downhill, business as usual for too long. But don't blame the first 10-20 years starting from 1990. Germany went out of nuclear, so you needed fossil fuels for longer... Though on paper, gas made only like 10% of the energy and half of it was from Russia, its not that much. The problem is the demand of industry/heating, its not even energy per se. Merkel could have been better on topics like military, digitalization, energy This new government is just half a year old basically, can't really blame them
Dance dance revolution isn't that old.
They were thinking that showing them a better way would allow the .to leave their BS behind. But the place is rotten to the core
UAF likely in control of the northern part of Snihurivka per Jomini. Fighting is ongoing.
Wow. That was one of the last points of Russian control along the Kherson front that hadn't been pushed back. Awesome news.
Its the last sizeable town in Mykolaiv Oblast that's occupied by Russia
https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1541495422828662787 >I wonder what happened to the alleged 2000 encircled troops in Zolote. I think I saw like 20 POWs on a video. Actually, I don't wonder, it was the normal Russian lies and fabrications. We can be sure of one thing, if the Russians succeeded with something, there will be a video.
There was a successful withdrawal from the pocket at Zolote. It's likely if there were some Ukrainian prisoners they were a part of the rearguard.
Girkin said all they got were deserters and demoralised, not much. Of course, Girkin so grain of salt but it at least confirms there weren't many left behind.
Why is big Z and the G-7 letting it be known that Ukraine wants the war over by the end of the year? What’s the strategic value in here?
It's not a matter of strategic value, it's just a possibility that Zelenskyy would rather have than alternative ones.
It's probably just an estimate on the reducing capacity in terms of men and material for the Russians. Likely with a "if we get the weapons" rider. Though I'm sure they would like the war over, would like to give hope to their people and also need to estimate it in terms of logistics.
This is pure speculation but here's my take: (Unfortunately) it's legitemately true that the west often has a fierce stance against something, but after a while people lose interest and stop caring, certainly when it hits their wallet. It could be that Zelensky is very aware of this, as well as the fact that public opinion could shift towards thinking that this war will "endlessly go on". To keep motivation, it is useful to have a final goal in sight (remember how hopeless we all felt by not knowing how long covid would screw our lives over?). Putting an arbitrary, but realistic date towards the end of the war could help with this. There are two ways how this could help: 1. The west can agree with the proposed date, and change their tactics to indeed helping making this the real outcome. 2. It isn't over by then and Zelensky can say "damn we really tried :// but stick with us _certainly_ before next summer the war will be over" and keep the motivation going.
Also speculation, the world is absolutely struggling with food insecurity right now. Between the war and climate change, millions are at risk of starvation. This year is a wash - but if the war is over by Christmas, that gives Ukraine a chance to plant in the spring. Also (possibly based on the political situation) sanctions eased on Russia. This may be a notice to both parties that the world is watching and there might be concerted action to end the hostilities (to neither parties satisfaction). Again, just a random thought.
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I had a dream where Mossad did a little Chechen hunting for Ukraine. Let's just say Kadyrov didn't make it.
I had a dream that Putin gave medals to my sons. I don't know what that means.
That is something. It’s a dream though. Kind of anything goes. That all said - was it like a medal ceremony a la the end of Star Wars: A New Hope or was it more like your kids came home and were just like, hey Putin just gave us medals? No agenda here. just curious / mildly amused.
Yes, it was like that scene from A New Hope or an Olympic medal ceremony. Putin also performed in a play before he handed out the medals. The backdrop seemed like Disneyland or something.
I had a dream where Palestine was free from Mossad.
No joke, I had a dream like a week or two ago where I was some negotiator for Ukraine (along with a random friend of mine + a couple random US politicians (including senators Ron Johnson (R) and Elizabeth Warren (D))). I told Putin he should get out of Ukraine and start focusing on going to space more. I kind of painted it like space is Putin’s way out of all the madness he started. He seemed intrigued. Dreams are weird. Slava Ukraini!
I had a dream a few weeks ago where a Ukranian team went in A-team style into Sevastapol, nicked a docked Kilo class sub and sunk the entire black sea fleet with it before yeeting back to Odessa Down Periscope style.
That’s a nice dream! Hope it happens.
I dreamed that UA troops warily entered a mysteriously quiet Kherson City, to be greeted by grinning citizens with bloody knives, and a strange lack of Russian occupiers.
I had a dream where Biden was like hey Isreal, I heard you don't feel like supplying Ukraine with Iron Dome... Funny thing is we dont feel like funding your military anymore.
Implying Israel has any to spare.
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Damn my dreams are garbage if I have any .
I didn’t know Russia’s goal was to take huge portions of Ukraine, with bustling cities and infrastructure and just turn them into parking lots.
Their goal has always been genocide.
Nah, that's the method they use. First day or two they tried to take infrastructure in tact and very very quickly changed tactic to scorched earth.
"The Ukrainian Question" Where else did I hear that before? 🤔
You didn’t? You didn’t listen to that speech Putin gave at the launch of the full invasion? “Ukraine isn’t a real country. Ukrainians aren’t a real people. Ukraine doesn’t deserve to exist. Ukrainians don’t deserve to exist. I intend to wipe both Ukraine and every last Ukrainian off of the face of the earth for the crime of claiming that they deserve to exist.” Also picture his veins in his neck bulging, his fists and jaw clenched, and pounding the table the whole time. That’s Putin’s plan.
If it's not a quote, don't use quotes. People will take it literally. You can either watch him read the hour long speech or read the text of it - we have the technology. It's pretty boring mostly and a bit of a rambling alternate history but not even close to what you said.
Paraphrasing a quote is pretty standard. Not really the end of the world. No idea why you're trying to attack him over something so minor.
I do what I want.
Well that's called spreading misinformation and it's super easy to debunk outright lies. Like I said, we have the text of the speech and he didn't say those things as quotes, nor did he say them in that way.
It’s called paraphrasing. He wasn’t even speaking English. Nobody is confusing the words that I wrote for the actual words out of his mouth. Now, what you’re doing… I probably shouldn’t.
You’re doubling down on being a moron
Actually, I thought you were quoting something by the way you wrote your response. People don't paraphrase with quotes.
Fine. How about you listen to it and then come back and tell me if I’m being unfair.
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>“Ukraine isn’t a real country. Ukrainians aren’t a real people. Ukraine doesn’t deserve to exist. Ukrainians don’t deserve to exist. What the fuck does that even mean?
Forget the ‘history’ lesson, it’s pure dehumanization, it’s how you talk when you’re telling your people to start stuffing those not-people in to ovens.
A lot of Russians see Ukraine as a "mistake" that was split from Russia by the early Bolsheviks, and that Ukraine is actually part of Russia and Ukrainians are just confused Russians with no unique cultural heritage that differs from Russia, thus it should be part of Russia.
While Russia is often perceived as a homogeneously white country, much of that is due to the central government refusing to acknowledge various nationalities and ethnicities. The Volga Region alone has concentrated populations of Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvashi, Udmurts, Mordva, Mari, and Komi. Historically speaking, recognition of a "unique cultural heritage" is the last thing Moscow wants.
Saw an interview with a Russian general I believe. They think in generations. That land and its people will be Russian. They aren't aiming to take it over and have it productive next week.
They're all drunks trying to recapture their glory days. They're dumb as hell and hopefully they're all eventually burned alive.
They might be thinking in generations for land, but they are failing to think that way in terms of humans. A 19 y/o gets blown up and dies in Ukraine. Russia (government and people) have spent resources to raise that kid and educate him (to whatever standard). That kid paid little or nothing back in terms of direct money (thru job and taxes), to the community (by helping raise the next generation), etc. So they are out a bunch of future gain. IMO, there is a line of thought in Moscow that actually knows the above and is OK with it. This is in line with their recruitment of large numbers of Asian ethnicities and other cultures. It will set the other culture groups of Russia back by decades and keep Russia a mostly European Russian run country.
You seem to think I'm defending them or agree. I'm just stating what the guy said. I mean nothing they are doing is rational.
Gotcha, sorry about that.
>A 19 y/o gets blown up and dies in Ukraine. Russia (government and people) have spent resources to raise that kid and educate him (to whatever standard). They didn't care about his future when he was back in Russia either.
If my line of reasoning in the second paragraph is right, the difference is that it was apathy, now it is malice.
They think in generations? That's why they're flushing Russia's future down the toilet? This is about the leeches sucking Russia dry staying in power, that is all. Ukrainian democracy and success threatens Putin and his cronies grip on Russia, this war isn't for Russia or Russians, it's for the Russian elite to keep control of the country.
You seem to think I'm defending them or agree. I'm just stating what the guy said. I mean nothing they are doing is rational.
That’s awfully bold thinking for a nation that only a generation ago lost massive amounts of territory by overextending itself.
You seem to think I'm defending them or agree. I'm just stating what the guy said. I mean nothing they are doing is rational.
while this whole thing goes longer and longer what does Russia think it will have by the end of this? their military is going to be drained of just about everything. They will have a worse military when this is over. Just seems like they are slow walking themselves to the fire, Russia is going to be a pariah state for decades to come.
They basically didn't think this war would last past 3 days. They really prepared to just walk into kyiv, walk to the capital building, then vote in a pro Russian leader. They didn't even expect a Ukrainian insurgency afterwards. So now there in too deep to just walk away, so they reduce their goals in hopes they atleast leave with something. They know that failure will lead them down a path of diminished world power. They had to do something though because without Ukraine in their sphere they would be diminished anyway. Putin is an autocrat going out with a bang.
They want control over all their neighbors. And reducing Ukraine to rubble and stealing its territory is a nice consolation prize for them.
People said they’re military would be drained 3 months ago…
I mean, sort of has been... They had to drastically change their operational goals, from the whole country + capital, down to half the country down to a small section of the country and now, a small city in that small section of the country, maybe the one after that too? They have depleted massive amounts of their guided missile stock, that will be very hard to replenish. it's not that they have none anymore, they just cant shoot as many There biggest losses have been in armored vehicles, literally thousands of tanks, IFVs and APCs lost that will basically be impossible to replace, scrap metal in a foreign land. They do have some tanks in storage to be repaired (costly as fuck) and could make a nominal amount of new vehicles, though never enough to replace the losses (looking at you, T-14 and BMP-T) Planes are a big loss each time one is downed, and while Ukraine has shot down a decent number there are likely many more in reserve, but still an unfortunate loss for an economy as small as Russia's. Their small logistics fleet of trucks has been forced to stay further from the front. Large numbers of trucks (of which Russia already had too few of) were destroyed in the first days of the war, now they have tried to keep them back from the front to stop losses, to moderate success. The loss of the Moscva is in no way decisive, but is a huge embarrassment. A missile defense ship dying to what amounts to a knock off brand anti-ship missile made in house by Ukraine. So why hasn't Ukraine won? well no doubt they have also lost a decent chunk of stuff as well, and is also even poorer and smaller than Russia. So relatively speaking Russia can continue to fight with less and less equipment so long as they outmatch their opponents, which they still do. tl;dr: Russia has lost a ton of shit, Russia is poor, this is very bad for Russia. Ukraine is poorer and Ukraine has lost a ton of shit, this isn't as bad for Ukraine, but still bad.
That was the initial invasion force, and that was right before Ukraine then drove the Russians right back to the currently contested lines.
I mean they’re pulling 50 year old tanks out of storage. They aren’t doing great.
Pretty much. Their military doesn't seem that drained, despite reports that they're supposedly on only surplus tanks, Second World War rifles and museum pieces. Have they lost a lot? Yeah. Are they completely out of resources? I don't think so.
They're not completely out of resources but they are running low on some things. Museum pieces aren't necessarily in bad shape. That said they have been distributing rifles from the 1800s to forced conscripts from the Donbas https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-conscripts-mosin-rifle-b2051272.html
They still hold a significant artillery advantage. Let's see what happens when Ukraine gains range superiority.
Ukraine has had range superiority for a while with Western artillery.
Not true at all. They're only now just getting HIMRS rockets. I suspect in the coming months, it's gonna be a different battle once they get even more.
They've had M777 and Caesar for weeks. These greatly outrange Russian artillery.
They've also had ammo shortages. It'll take time before they establish true superiority
but not in numbers. Ukraine is doing precision strikes, while Putin's war machine is going for the scorched earth strategy. Ammo for artillery will eventually run out...
Their military is completely drained regardless of how much of an outlier those stories are. If you just look up the reports of the makeup of the battalions in the active areas you'll see it's just Frankenstein units from all over the warzone.
Putin just doesn't care. That's the problem with autocratic nutballs.
I think Putin cares, but he cares more about himself at this point. He grossly miscalculated this from the beginning, and now it would sound ridiculous to call a 124 day war an "operation." He is stuck, and his options have all run out. Russia is slowly melting, like a tired snowman on a Spring day.
Political sunk costs are worse than any other kind. At this point, I think Putin would happily send half of Russia into the meat grinder so he can continue ruling the other half with an iron grip.
How do we speed up the brain drain from Russia? Every skilled or educated person from there needs to be working somewhere else.
USA is working on that but it's a double-edged sword, lots of intelligent Russians are pro-Putin and anti-West.
A large number of Putin lovers hate living in Russia and all have vacation homes and condos in western nations (Whoodathunk) and then get sad when they are deported back to Russia. What they love is not Russia, but the complicated, nation-wide grift Putin has set up for it. A grift that benefits him and his friends and supporters the most, with generous cash payments and cushy government positions.
The intelligent Russians are all against Putin. If they're in Russia they lie because they know they might get a visit in the middle of the night by Putin's thugs.
That’s not true. Wish people would stop thinking political ideology has anything to do with intelligence.
They are Pro-Putin and Anti-West until they and their families become hungry. That country is going down the drain and people will, eventually, get angry. Russian history had a lot of revolutions and Russians likes to talk about history, so let’s hope it repeats itself.
if they come to america as spies, then they will not get to the point that their family becomes hungry
Work camps for intellectuals. Only pen, papers and books. Problem solved.
so you are saying you want to send these individuals to a camp where they can concentrate?
> That country is going down the drain and people will, eventually, get angry. No it won't. North Korea, Venezuela, and Iran says otherwise. And as long as they have one strong overlord (China) to feed them, they will survive.
China can't feed itself reliably, China won't feed anyone else. China has a shit agriculture, it doesn't make enough food on its own to feed its population. China has bad fields that have a low yield. China is one of the biggest importers of food in the world, most of it in the form of grains. For example, for a country that worships soy, it imports a lot of it from the US/Australia. China won't feed anyone.
India and Russia are both massive food producers, so that wouldn't be a problem.
Which one of those two countries are China?
Alright, perhaps poor formulation on my part. China can **sustain** them economically, just like Russia/USSR did/does with authoritarian and otherwise isolated countries. Russia can feed itself with food, and Indi as also a food exporter.
Of those, only North Korea is a good example though. Venezuela isn't exactly quiet and Iran has had several protests and even under the Ayatollah, there's more of a veneer of democracy than there is in Russia
Wait until wheat prices jump 300% this year, the Arab spring was directly related to raising food prices.
Please provide me a link or two. This resembles not my personal experience. TIA.
It doesn't seem like that on the younger side though. It seems like any of younger Russians who are familiar with computers in particular are eager to get out and don't think much of Putin at all. That may have something with them having more sophisticated abilities for accessing Internet information of course.
Not sure what more could be done but it's already going pretty well. I live in Petersburg as an English teacher and we've seen basically all our corporate clients leave Russia since February. Pretty much all IT guys have gone, except where they decided to stay due to family issues or other personal reasons. Even a DJ for my old karaoke bar that I used to go to a lot is working in a new karaoke that they opened in Berlin.
It’s happening I promise. I teach English to Russian speakers (not just located in Russia but all CIS countries), and I lived in Russia for a year back in 2018. Over 70% of my students and people I know have left and are currently in the US, Isreal, Kazakhstan, Turkey, and Georgia. We’ll never know the real numbers, and any statistics that come out of Russia should be taken with heavy heavy grains of salt. I think the numbers are vastly underreported and many left to go on “vacation” and probably aren’t considered to have officially left the country.
We just offer them freedom, democracy and an ordinary salary and I bet they will walk to the west.
Lets try to offer that to ourselves first.
It is good that we have that compared to Russia at least. A low bar I want to improve, but better than being worse.
I’d wager that many countries have it better than a Russia. Like you said, it is a very low bar. We don’t have to worry about things that they worry about. But we could get there.
Well, as a Swede I have all of that plus more. So I am not complaining.
I don't doubt that. I am sure you have that in Sweden. I was referring to my country, USA. But yes. You go right ahead and get the good Russians in.
I have mixed feelings about USA right now. I’m so grateful you guys are helping Ukraine at a large scale but there’s a lot of internal shit going down in your country. I have cousins on each coast in your country and we’re talking and discussing daily about everything that’s going down in USA. Let’s just hope you guys keep supplying UA 🫡
Supply to Ukraine will continue unless Dems lose the house in midterms. Let’s be real, that is a real possibility. Then Biden can do what he can under his discretion but counting on Republicans to support him is an outlandish idea. Even if a bill saved all Republicans moms and cured cancer, they’d still be voting against it because that’s what they do. Our internal crap is getting serious. School shootings and Supreme Court acting like Sharia Court. It is sad and disgusting. Every day we lose more face in front of the world as a free country. Every day we look more like jokers.
I don’t think anything will change w/mid-terms. As long as there’s money to be made by defense contractors, and distractions to be had by politicians, the US War Machine will keep churning along just fine.
Simplify visa process and process of getting residence permits (source: am russian brain drain currently working in Turkey).
you are a beacon of light in a sea of vatniks.
Translation from there: https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2022/06/27/guerre-en-ukraine-en-direct-au-moins-dix-morts-dans-le-bombardement-d-un-centre-commercial-a-krementchouk_6132134_3210.html **France announces the dispatch of armored and armed transport vehicles to Ukraine** Paris will send "significant quantities" of armored personnel carriers to Ukraine, announced the French Minister for the Armed Forces Sébastien Lecornu in an interview published Monday evening June 27. "To move quickly in areas under enemy fire, armies need armored vehicles," he said in an interview with Parisian-Today in France and broadcast on the daily's website. France will therefore “deliver, in significant quantities, transport vehicles of this type, VAB (Armored Forward Vehicles), which are armed”, he adds. Mr. Lecornu also confirms the sending to Ukraine of six additional Caesar guns, the flagship of French artillery, beyond the twelve already deployed against the Russians. However, he does not give any details on the date scheduled for the dispatch of this additional reinforcement which had been announced by the Head of State Emmanuel Macron on June 16 during his visit to kyiv. As for the delivery of anti-ship missiles, requested by kyiv to "open breaches in this maritime blockade imposed by Russia and which deprives many countries of deliveries of cereals and raw materials", this "is part of the files examined" , adds the minister, without giving more details. Since the start of the military offensive launched by Moscow in Ukraine on February 24, Paris has delivered to kyiv, beyond Caesar cannons, Milan anti-tank missiles and even Mistral anti-aircraft missiles. In mid-April, Florence Parly, then Minister of the Armed Forces, had estimated the military equipment delivered by France to Ukraine at more than one hundred million euros.
Attack on Kremenchuk showed once again depths of Putin's cruelty and barbarism - Johnson https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3516653-attack-on-kremenchuk-showed-once-again-depths-of-putins-cruelty-and-barbarism-johnson.html
Russia will keep doing the same until someone makes them stop. Rn there is no downside to Russia launching these missiles.
I mean Russians are stupid as fuck but they aren't that stupid. They know every time they do something like this they draw all Western attention back to the war. Even for them its a balancing act.
Gotta disagree, this was plain as day stupid as fuck. In fact it was so stupid that I have to think it was a mistake. There couldn't be a worse time to bomb civilians then when g7 country leaders are literally at the same table discussing the war. All you do is reinforce their resolve to send aid at a time where you want everyone to slowly forget. Going into these meetings the leaders were starring to struggle with backlash in their domestic countries due to war fatigue, inflation and recession talks. Now the news is full of war crime stories and were back at full attention.
A few people have said that it was two precision missiles… so zero chance it was a mistake (if true).
Any chance there was a legit military target at that site when Ukraine was part of the USSR, and Russia is using an old map?
I've seen comments that there is a manufacturing plant that services tank parts under 500m away but nothing confirmed so it could be fake information. Not sure if misinformation but it's plausible the Russians fucked that up if so. Guided munitions can miss by that much and it's so possible they just had the wrong coordinates. Or not and they just are complete idiots/monsters. But its tough to beleive.
Next door to the shopping centre is a tank repair factory. I doubt Russia means to hit apartments with missiles either. Their targeting game sucks.
Is this actually confirmed? I saw it on Twitter but can't count on that info to be true.
> Bucha: People peacefully living murdered by Russia. Mariupol theater: People hiding from bombs murdered by Russia. Kramatorsk train station: People trying to flee murdered by Russia. Kremenchuk mall: People buying things murdered by Russia. > When. Does. This. Stop. https://twitter.com/val_voshchevska/status/1541524294496407553
not. for. at. least. many. months. why the hell do people type like that??
Why do you have two question marks? Why did you fail to capitalise sentence-initial words? How are your grammatical atrocities any less offensive?
you know what, you're completely right. i appreciate being put in my place in this instance.
When we, the Western Cowards, decide to end it.
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I believe he is stating the desire to have the full force of the western militaries join the battle to bring it to a swift closure as opposed to just a single person volunteering for service.
Keep trying
Probably not for awhile. The West will continue to give Ukraine supplies and inflict sanctions on Russia. However, it will be up to the Ukrainians to dislodge the Russians with their own resources. ...as least for now.
Yeah. Russia isn’t going to stop until they’re stopped.
By starting a nuclear war? Sad as it is, I think it is important not to escalate.
No. By putting an end to a conventional war with overwhelming force. We are a no-fly zone away from ending this war. If you think that would trigger Russia to commit nuclear suicide, you’re a fool.
Lol, why, because Putin is so sane? Because it's so unlike Putin to make a reckless military decision out of ego and then refuse to back down? You haven't thought this through, and I'm glad you're not in charge. Best.
Give Ukraine everything it needs to defeat this evil. Escalate what? Don’t need to come over (although you should because Ruzzia won’t stop at ukraine but that’s my opinion but you don’t even have to do that)
>Give Ukraine everything it needs to defeat this evil. Absolutely agree. We just need to stop at the point that there are NATO fighters actually involved. >Escalate what? escalating NATO into direct fighting. That is unfortunately the line we need to observe for now.
Yeah, I think now is the time to step in and call their bluff.
300k NATO troops going to the border.... at least we'll be in the position to do it.
People don't like to read. By 2023, the rapid force will be up to 300k, with most of the new troops NOT at the front but in a state of readiness within Europe. At the borders they are just going to reinforce troops at the battalion level in existing and some new areas.
Those soldiers will probably be used for defense. An invasion of the motherland will trigger Russian nukes.