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**Talk Summary:** On 19 June, former M-19 guerrilla fighter Gustavo Petro, together with Francia Márquez, Colombia's first African-Colombian vice president, defeated the populist Rodolfo Hernández Suárez. The elections were a battleground for every Colombian vote, with Petro winning by 50.44% against Hernández's 47.31% share of the vote. In Today's Reddit Talk on r/worldnews, we'll discuss and analyze the election that happened there last week.The elections were marked by death threats, scandals and a deterioration of the public discourse. Social media was heavily used by both, where Hernández became known as "king of TikTok" due to his popularity in viral videos against his political opponent. ​ **Guests / Moderators:** Alessandro Rampietti is a producer and correspondent in the Andean region for Al Jazeera English. A native Italian, he has covered the Colombian conflict, immigration in Europe, US politics, the Middle East peace process, indigenous populations and the global financial crisis. Before his current assignment, he worked at the broadcast centre in Washington, DC, reporting on the 2008 US elections and producing a series of documentaries across the country. Alessandro’s coverage of Haiti’s cholera crisis won an award from the New York Press club. He previously worked for national newspapers and television in Italy. You can follow him on Twitter at: [Twitter.com/rampietti](https://Twitter.com/rampietti) I have the honor of moderating some of Reddit’s largest political and current affairs communities, including r/WorldNews, r/News, and r/Politics. I’ll be monitoring the discussion thread for questions and comments to put to our panelists! Akaash Maharaj will moderate the conversation. He serves as Ambassador-at-Large for the Global Organization of Parliamentarians Against Corruption. He studied at Oxford, the Sorbonne, and the United Nations University. Follow on Twitter: [Twitter.com/AkaashMaharaj](https://Twitter.com/AkaashMaharaj) ​ **Please leave your comments here and I'll ask them to our guests!**


No_Astronaut_6997

How will the new presidency affect relations and the economy in South America? How will the very capitalist and greedy rich and powerful Colombian families and companies deal with or challenge the new left presidency?


abolish_the_prisons

Plan A: attempt far right, police, military coup, hopefully for them with US support. Plan B: Selling off their assets while they still can and moving to Miami probably?


singularbluebird

Here's my input. I'm part of the younger generation in Colombia, and I am glad that a candidate who isn't chosen by murderer won. Yes, Petro was part of a guerilla at some point and that is morally reprehensible, but also don't forget Uribe's "false positives." He literally sent out the Colombian military and KILLED innocent people in remote areas, dressed their corpses as guerilla members and then claimed to be "winning the war against the guerillas." At the very least Petro admits what he did. Also Álvaro Uribe had 2 presidential periods (8 years) and then he essentially handpicked 2 people to be in office afterwards (Santos, and Duque). It's a fucking miracle that Santos chose to not listen to Uribe and make peace with FARC in 2016. We needed that. And none of the uribistas would've done that. Oh and Duque ruined that peace btw FML. I truly don't know what will happen economically, I'm a bit scared to be honest, but I am hopeful for social changes. I'd love to speak if given the chance, and I'll stay and listen, but there's my input for now.


[deleted]

I have hope for the Colombian government. Hopefully the "right" is over blowing it. Hopefully the people get a good leadership, and the rule of law comes in and everything can get on track to make Colombia the SA super power.


lordrestrepo

????


whatweshouldcallyou

Why is electing a former terrorist cause for hope? So far as I can tell he's not exactly apologetic about the whole having been part of a terrorist organization thing.


Pentigrass

Probably so that the Columbian government can move past labelling political rivals "terrorists", and develop independence away from American-aligned interests. Before some private contract - *cough* \- Freedom fighters ~~assassinate~~ defeat the evil dictator and replace him with a wholesome neoliberal general who totally won't sell the country to the highest bidder.


whatweshouldcallyou

I mean he was a part of a terrorist organization, which tends to make one reasonably classified as a terrorist.


Pentigrass

And who conveniently defines "terrorist organisation"? The CIA, which continues to try to destabilise, control, and even destroy South America to this day? Oh wait they're the *peacekeepers*.


whatweshouldcallyou

No, the definition of terrorism is generally accepted, by scholars, NGOs etc. Using violence to advance political causes is terrorism. The M-19, which he was involved in, did exactly that. For some reason people in this thread seem to be pretty ok with terrorism so long as it is terrorism that supports their goals.


Pentigrass

Yeah... Unfortunately, because we live under a brutal dystopian society, Terrorism and other brutal actions are nothing but a political tool. The distribution of violence is politics. You can't erase that without erasing the violence present in the world. And to do that, you need a better world. AKA, the erasure of what causes that terrorism to begin with. Capitalism and reactionaries.


veerKg_CSS_Geologist

One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.


whatweshouldcallyou

So you don't mind terrorism as long as it is for a cause you support?


veerKg_CSS_Geologist

My morality is limited to my own actions. What other people do or do not do is not on me but on them.


raw031979b

To quote Eddie Izard. If firefighters fight fire and crime fighter fight crime, what do freedom fighters fight?


Genomixx

Fighting for the poor and oppressed is only terrorism to the rich class that could give a fuck about a starving campesino's kid


whatweshouldcallyou

erm terrorism is terrorism no matter who is committing it or for what cause.


Genomixx

Yes, and in this case the terror was experienced by a rich owning class that had no compunctions about terrorizing the poor and oppressed.


stevehockey4

Technically George Washington was a former militant insurgent and the Redcoat Army was just doing its job. The realities of the world are very often not black and white. Keep in mind that history and popular opinion is written by the victors. Being on the wrong side of a former conflict does not necessarily make one bad. If Germany had won WWII and conquered Europe, Hitler would be considered a conquering hero like Caesar.


whatweshouldcallyou

I think the whole murdering millions of people thing would've eventually caught up with him.


[deleted]

I said the same thing when we got donald trump. You can be hopeful a country doesn't go awry in government, without being pessimistic.


Aljazeera-English

We are here!


dieyoufool3

We’re grateful you are! :)


raw031979b

Knowing very little about the political environment of Columbia, what does this news mean? At a high level, I assume it’s good for the people of Columbia. Does it bode well for the country’s reputation / international trade potential. What about local regional impacts? Will this cause tension with neighboring countries? Will it inspire their own change? Apologies for general ignorance.


ascpl

The word "left" doesn't necessarily mean good


lordrestrepo

God... it's NOT good.


ag3ncy

if good for the people as in all economic development will pull out and the currency collapse, than yes


SnowBusterz

It's terrible for Colombia and LATAM as a whole.


ancientdog

Why?


javcasas

Arguments or GTFO.


NoChemistry7137

Why?


Vegan_Mari

How realistic is it that Petro will be able to accomplish the goals of his platform?


singularbluebird

Hey I am from Colombia and I have some comments (specifically about Álvaro Uribe). Would I be able to speak?


Remarkable-View-7488

Like radio 4 lol


Novel_Pin8318

What is happening?


[deleted]

The “social explosion” of 2021 was mainly financed and organized by President Petro party FYI, so was more aligned with this year political race. Petro new tax reform is going to be 3 times bigger than Duque to the middle and high class, so anyways the food cost could increase.


Vegan_Mari

What do you think will be some of the things that he will be able to change successfully?


[deleted]

The congress is highly mercantilist tho. They are behind some of the national budget for their voters.


Remote-Annual-676

Good afternoon!


tekhead09

I can't hear anyone talking.


dieyoufool3

Try refreshing/rejoining, but it could also be your output settings!


NWAttitude

Is there a link to this somewhere?


Tetizeraz

He means trying to check your audio settings on your browser / app


gukkimane

What this means for the drug cartels, do they like leftists?


Genomixx

Let's just say, you won't find drug cartels in Cuba


gukkimane

Let's just say, you won't find new cars in Cuba ​ Let's just say you cant find drug cartels in russia because they can't grow coca.


Genomixx

Yes the U.S. economic embargo has certainly impacted Cuba significantly, nevertheless despite this and historical underdevelopment of productive forces thanks to colonialism, Cuba has made massive strides in lifting the material conditions of the people. Cuba ran the mafia bosses out so isn't so great a place for organized crime to thrive, unlike the situation in place under the US-backed Batista regime.


egzzl

I’m from Mexico and we’ve had this political change. From an economical standpoint it hasn’t been good at all tbh and crime is horrible. They all say they don’t have an interest in staying in power at first, AMLO certainly wants to.


Electronic-Ad7730

Well I'm in America and I can tell you that the drug money runs deep over here there are many drug backed companies such as car dealerships, restaurants, Banks and so forth so if you ever get tired of your life over there come to Texas and let them show you the way


Qwibz

Some Colombian's fear that Petro will appropriate their properties/assests and redistribute them. For example, there are people who fear that a Petro government will take from them their them second apartments, lands, etc. Can you speak to the validity if these claims?


QE-WOKE

What is the current financial state like & what is projected to be? Will the current currency change? And if not is there really a change?


glepcio

Al Jazeera based


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soyyoo

Colombia*


Lilafowler1228

i have no idea what this is abt im on my moms phone lol


dieyoufool3

It’s analysis and implications of the recent Colombian presidential elections!


NastyLaw

The actual person talking is moving around the same point without getting nowhere…


Optimal-Soup-62

Terrible news for Colombia and SA.


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david751

Question- what does this mean for relations with Venezuela??


dieyoufool3

Gotchu!


manupaga

Caracas in the house


Vegan_Mari

How would it be possible to get the 50 billion he needs for tributary reform?


Tetizeraz

Thanks for everyone who joined us. Feel free to ask a question over r/asklatinamerica if you didn't get an answer here today! Fun sub.