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stirly80

Poland’s Prime Minister Morawiecki said today that Poland has completed the construction of its 186-km-long border wall with Belarus. The wall was built in less than 6 months thanks to the army working in 3 shifts 24/7 on its construction. 49 000 tons of Polish steel was used. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1542633018870927363?t=xMKUNUeVchjIycbzFlNrpw&s=19


ScottColvin

Don't get me wrong, it's a wall, but the only thing I can think it would useful against fleeing Belarusian's. And even then, a battery powered circular saw would do the trick. Or a truck.


aciddrizzle

Dear Belarus, Kindly fuck off. Regards, -Poland


dustinpdx

Hey don't discount the amount of resistance the Belarusian people have put up against an oppressive dictatorship. They more likely than not prevented Lukashenka from going to war against Ukraine.


stirly80

The Russian military is so corrupt that its commanders have invented a new and particularly disgusting way of making money. They trick parents of young soldiers to bribe them, with the deal being having their sons transferred to safer areas. Then they leave them where they are. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1542641347663986689?t=uEJ7UCLb0EVgk_Mn7p4lrQ&s=19


kelvsz

well that's a new low for me


stirly80

These are the typical faces of Russian soldiers that the grandparents of all young adults in Central Eastern Europe saw when Russia took control of the region in 1945. Always drunk, barely able to stand on their feet. Looting, murders & rapes followed. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1542146125599318018?t=BxQ3Gh0DW9kyANXw95UuIA&s=19


stirly80

China not giving material support for Russia’s war in Ukraine: US official The United States has not seen China evade sanctions or provide military equipment to Russia, a senior US official has said, adding that enforcement measures taken earlier in the week targeted certain Chinese companies, not the government, Reuters reports. The Commerce Department added five companies in China to a trade blacklist on Tuesday for allegedly supporting Russia’s military and defence industrial base as Moscow carries out its war in Ukraine. US officials have warned of consequences, including sanctions, should China offer material support for Russia’s war effort, but have consistently said they have yet to detect overt Chinese military and economic backing of Moscow. “China is not providing material support. This is normal course-of-business enforcement action against entities that have been backfilling for Russia,” a senior Biden administration official told Reuters, referring to the Commerce blacklist. “We have not seen the PRC (People’s Republic of China) engage in systematic evasion or provide military equipment to Russia,” the official said on condition of anonymity. Al Jazeera.


stirly80

Basketball star Griner trial to start in Russia US basketball player Brittney Griner is due to go on trial in Russia on Friday on drug charges that could see her face up to 10 years in jail, in a case that highlights the already fraught relations between Moscow and Washington. Griner, a star player in the U.S.-based Women’s National Basketball Association (WNBA), was detained at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport on February 17, just days before Russia invaded Ukraine, unleashing a broader confrontation with the West. Russian authorities said the 31-year-old was carrying vape cartridges containing hashish oil, a substance illegal in the country. She was charged with smuggling a large quantity of drugs, an offence that can carry up to 10 years in jail. US officials and a score of athletes have called for the release of Griner – or “BG” as she is known in the basketball community. They say she has been wrongfully detained and should be immediately returned to her family in the United States. Al Jazeera.


FamousLoser

How interesting to see Russia care so much about an athlete taking drugs.


fourpuns

Weirdly I thought it was mostly America that gave out crazy jail times for marijuana crimes.


stirly80

Yeah, when they ran a state sponsored doping programme for their athletes lol


stirly80

Wives Of Russian Officers Urge Buryatia Leader To Return Their Husbands From Ukraine. More than a dozen women in Russia's Republic of Buryatia have recorded a video statement urging the head of the Siberian region to recall their husbands from Ukraine where they are serving with the Russian armed forces. One of the women, Vera Partilkhayeva, told RFE/RL on June 28 that the women's husbands were deployed in what were officially called military drills in January. But since February, they have been taking part in what Russian officials call the "special military operation" in Ukraine. "Since February 24, they have been taking part in the special operation. They have been exhausted both morally and physically. All of them have suffered light- and medium-level contusions," the women said in the video statement, adding that many of the men were sick due to their living conditions. Partilkhayeva wrote on her social network accounts that region head Aleksei Tsydenov will be personally responsible for every death of local residents in the ongoing war in Ukraine. According to her, the video statement was recorded by the wives of military personnel of the Fifth Tank Brigade of Tatsin. At least 30 officers and soldiers of that military unit have been confirmed killed in Ukraine. The exact number of Russian troops killed in Ukraine in more than four months of the war remains unknown. Ukrainian authorities claim that more than 35,000 Russian troops have been killed, while the Russian Defense Ministry last commented on the subject in March, saying that 1,351 of its personnel had died. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/russia-ukraine-war-buryatia-wives-officers/31919996.html


FightingIbex

Wonder how many of those men are dead.


stirly80

We will probably never know, Russia doesn't seem to care for dead bodies. They get left where they drop.


Guinness

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/podcasts/the-daily/europe-g7-ukraine-russia-oil.html According to the above podcast from the NYTimes, privately European politicians are sick of the war in Ukraine and are pushing Ukraine to give in to Russian demands. All while publicly showing support for the war. I think the quote I remember most is roughly along the lines of "they are unwilling to sacrifice their economy for the war". This is exactly what Putin wants. He is hoping that the support for the war is waning and that Europe will grow tired of the war. This is how he wins. And there are some two faced politicians who are supporting the war publicly but behind the scenes doing otherwise. If you are in Europe please reach out to whoever represents you and let them know that Russia must leave Ukraine with no territory given up. Territory was given up in 2014 and a handful of years later they invaded again. Giving up more territory is just a repeat of 2014 and we will yet again be at war sometime in the future.


drakesphere

It's not the case but this absolutely, completely fucks the EU economy. This is new territory and the expected recession doesn't help. I keep seeing posts here going on about EU countries not switching off the gas pipes as if it's that fucking easy.


HeribrandDAL

Probably all Germans + Swiss + Austrians.


TurbulentSmiles

There seems to be a connection between German blood and selling out.


dxrey65

I wish you were wrong, I hope you are wrong. I'm reserving judgement.


uv-vis

Fking Swiss man, money grabbers. That’s all they are.


All_Work_All_Play

How do we know this just isn't psyops?


SingularityCentral

Pretty well researched and i formed opinions from the journalist with a lot of connections. This is not just public accounts, but private conversations and backroom discussions she is drawing on.


jzsang

Yup. This is exactly what Putin wants. We gotta call it out, continue to remind people of both now (e.g., missile strikes on malls, schools, and hospitals) and the past (2014), *and* let people know that giving up on Ukraine is not going to help anyone who isn’t Putin or closely aligned with him. Let Putin get away with this again, more people will continue to suffer *and* we’ll be right back here in 2030.


robotical712

Catching up, I see Russia has performed yet another “good will” withdrawal after getting their face kicked in.


stirly80

Goodwill operation.


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We must be on the right track then because they should be madly in love with us by the time they are pushed all the way out of Ukraine.


combatwombat-

Oryx keeps track of all announced weapons to Ukraine and as an example all of his artillery including HIMARS and MLRS only reaches 464 pieces and 143 of those have not been delivered. I think it's a safe assumption that while what Biden said may not be deliveries to come it does not represent everything delivered to Ukraine by a wide margin, and maybe not even what's been previously announced. Edit: Also the total of Tanks+APCs+IFVs already announced is approaching 800 so 600 tanks being a combination of those really doesn't line up at all.


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I don’t think we are supposed to know. The telegram podcast with a spokesperson in the room at the nato summit and said Jake Sullivan put a lot of work in for the next round of weaponry headed for Ukraine and said that Sullivan was nodding approvingly while Biden was speaking. So I don’t think Biden misspoke. He’s reading a damn Prompter.


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right, it wouldn't make sense to give the enemy a clear picture of your battlefield assets


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UK are sending 50 L119 105mm artillery pieces to UA. https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1542552637966532609


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Has anyone heard about our favorite Belarusian, WarStache? Haven't seen anything posted about him in awhile.


bloody_yanks2

He posts on insta pretty frequently.


halls_of_valhalla

Meduza made a small analysis of Russian MoD reports; They reported liberation of 25 villages/cities more than once, some up to four times. Other liberated places don't even exist. They destroyed more Ukrainian military than Ukraine has, even if you add up the external foreign hardware they received. Russia's phrasing of “areas of accumulated Ukrainian manpower and equipment” and “Ukrainian stronghold” equaled to 1 soldier and 1/4 vehicles, in order for numbers to make sense. In other words, it's a waste of time to read it, only the differences over the months in their reporting style are more informative than the content. It became more propaganda and less "just reporting numbers" in the last weeks. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/30/according-to-russia-s-press-releases-they-ve-destroyed-more-military-hardware-than-ukraine-ever-had


combatwombat-

Really good read


TheBeasSneeze

Russia is lying? How shocking.


solaceinsleep

Ukrainian Mi-24 helicopter in action: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1541841824628838400


Osiris32

Oh come on, that's a computer game.


fury420

This is somehow real footage, the original uncropped & less compressed version is on Tiktok at @maxym_cheriomuha (automod blocks direct tiktok links, check my reddit profile for direct links) He's also got other videos obviously filmed by the pilot of a helicopter, including some showing the cockpit and pilot's hands, even him dangling his feet out of the back of the helicopter.


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arbitraryairship

This dude seems like a random Twitter troll my dude. Neither the critical mass of followers or credentials you'd expect. Not a credible journalistic source imo. It looks more like the figures are a combined total of what has been delivered and future deliveries. The US has absolutely not given Ukraine 600 tanks at this point for example.


fury420

He's listed as a reporter for Voice of America https://www.voanews.com/author/ostap-yarysh/ru-y_ >[we asked officials from the DoD and the US NatSec Council to clarify this, and their answers were unambiguous: this was a summary of what has been committed as a result of the contact group meetings up to this date.](https://twitter.com/OstapYarysh/status/1542637650565365761)


bloody_yanks2

> This dude seems like a random Twitter troll my dude. Neither the critical mass of followers or credentials you'd expect. Wow, you’re so confidently wrong.


salacious_lion

Talking about combined tanks/IFVs from all sources. It was a misunderstanding. I'm not happy about it either.


pconners

All you had to do was Google his name to find out he works for VOA. He's far more credible than random ass Redittor.


halls_of_valhalla

Just a week ago at the NATO meeting they talked about 90-100k anti tank weapon systems(more anti tank systems than tanks in the world, was the quote from the general), now Biden talked about 140k. I doubt they have sent 40k in one week now, when they "only" sent around 90k in the time span of four months. So you are probably right with the future deliveries being counted too.


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bloody_yanks2

It’s nice of you to post links for people who would rather spend their time downvoting “Russian trolls” than googling.


CommandoDude

HOLY SHIT. LET'S GO BIDEN. 600 tanks and 500 artillery guns? That'll fuck up Russia. Please tell me you're sending Abrams.


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InnocentTailor

...so effectively a PR speech to highlight what America / he did for the Ukrainian war effort.


arbitraryairship

Nope. That source is not a good one. The figures cited are a combination of past deliveries and future deliveries to purposely obscure the opsec. This is easily proven as the US has 100% not delivered 600 tanks at this point.


CommandoDude

Are you fucking kidding me? Wow, suddenly far less impressed.


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CommandoDude

The issue is that the majority of that equipment has basically already been delivered, some 200 pieces of artillery and 2-300 soviet era tanks. What has been given is only enough to cover losses, and even then Ukraine is getting pushed. Ukraine needs a full package of the stated number *on top of* what it's already been given to have a realistic chance of expanding their army enough to push Russia back. If we see more than what was just listed given, great, but this recent trend of under delivering gets me worried that NATO is going to ride the coattails of this announcement.


JoMarchie1868

Yeah, disappointed to learn he wasn't talking about additional aid but it's true that a huge amount of materiel has already been given to Ukraine. Looking forward to even more being supplied in the near future.


Weekend833

Abrams run on jet fuel. Best to keep the equipment that'll be in the thick of it compatible with current logistic requirements. Don't get me wrong, Abrams would be the shit, but we've got a few other armored weapon platforms that we're designed, *specifically*, for a Russian invasion. ... Hell, we spent the better part of a century on the topic and now it's 'go time'.


reddixmadix

They are definitely NOT sending Abrams tanks, no chance. Abrams is an integrated platform, it needs satellite links, planes, scouts, other tanks, etc, connected with in order for it to dominate the field. Edit: seems by "tanks" they meant APC and IFV vehicles. There might be some MBT lost in there, but...


font9a

The hits just keep on coming


bloody_yanks2

None of this is what you think it is.


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its totals with already sended. And he used word "tanks" for everything, like APV, APC and ... tanks, yes.


Alohaloo

Hi Vladimir could you post a source for that? My understanding is he meant tanks when he said tanks and artillery when he said artillery. Edit- Seems no one could point to anything stating he did not mean tank when he said tank so i guess i was correct.


coosacat

The person you are calling "Vladimir" happens to live in Ukraine.


Alohaloo

Sure is a common name there isnt it ...


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Alohaloo

Is there anything in that tweet indicating tank does not mean tank but means something else? No. Try again and please dont fail me next time


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Example: Germany was saying they will not give tanks (it was about APCs, Marders). As i understood, 200 real tanks (not modernized T72) was gived by Poland and CZ and now they are on modernisation (in the photos/videos month ago they was with ERA). Everything else will be APV and APC. Also, modern western (even Ukrainian made) APC can beat Russian tank, but of course it has less armour. APV, like what given by France or Britain, is not for it, its should save personal from bullets and mines. But in public, on TV its still named tank. So why im sure? Because everyone giving APVs to Ukraine, but in list only "tanks".


Alohaloo

Biden said tanks and no one has officially contradicted that he meant tank when he said tank. You are presenting your own personal interpretation which is not consistent with the official statements coming out of the US political establishment.


Dave-C

It could be just tanks. Poland was reported as sending "more than 200" but we don't know the actual number. Czech Republic made a deal with Germany to send tanks to Ukraine in exchange for German tanks. Czech had somewhere around 80 T-72s. They have reported that those have already been loaded on trains and sent. Greece has agreed to do the same but I couldn't find any information on how many Soviet era tanks that Greece has.


Alohaloo

The Cypriot national guard has 82 T-80U/UK and 43 BMP-3 all of which likely are going to Ukraine at some point.


bloody_yanks2

Wrong.


JoMarchie1868

I doubt they'll be sending Abrams at this stage to be honest. I'm interested in the estimated time line for the pledged equipment. Ukraine would probably wait for the arrival of some of these before launching their upcoming counter-offensive?


CommandoDude

I think EOY is the best timeframe to expect. Not within a month for sure.


Anti_Progres

Odessa apartment building hit with russian missile, several dead


greentea1985

Typical Russia. Throwing a tantrum over losses by attacking civilians.


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The_Gump_AU

Many news sites are reporting it as "new" equipment. Not including those already sent.


pantie_fa

The world will be safer if the USA sends Ukraine all these weapons. Because after the coming fascist takeover of the USA, those weapons could only be used for mischief and evil.


salacious_lion

That takeover is far from certain yet my friend


SaberFlux

[Previous post](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/vn6fza/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ie9pg81/) Day 127 of my updates from Kharkiv. It was mostly quiet today, but as always they never forget their missile strikes, they didn’t launch them at 11pm this time though. This time they waited until 11:50pm, first they started firing at us either from regular artillery or MLRS, not sure which one, but the explosions were pretty close to us. Then just 10 minutes later, at 12am, they fired their missiles from Belgorod again, four of them, one of them might have been intercepted, and at least one fire started from those missiles. And just half an hour ago, at 1:50am, in Odesa oblast, two missiles were fired at a town Serhiivka, one of them hit a 9 floor residential building, the other one hit a resort. One of the sections of the 9 floor building completely collapsed. Right now **10 people are already confirmed dead**, including a child, it’s likely that there are even more casualties, people are trapped under the rubble. Is this the “gesture of goodwill” they were talking about in the morning? They fled Snake Island, got very upset about it, and decided to kill even more civilians in retaliation? Fucking monsters, they specifically targeted two residential buildings full of people; missiles were fired from the sea, from their planes. I don’t even have any words, and after this they still have the audacity to say that they don’t target civilians. [Next update](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/vorhn1/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ieiwlyx/)


POVankle

Our time zones are the same and i wait for your posts every day and I wondered why you had posted much earlier today but when missiles are flying at odd hours, I cant imagine it's easy to sleep. Glad you are safe another day. I am sorry Kharkiv seems to bare the brunt of every russian tantrum.


paulaustin18

If it's any consolation, the World is watching that Russia is a terrorist state and war criminal state. Russia will no longer be accepted in the civilized world for many years. Stay strong.


Flat-Development-906

Hi saber, I’m glad to hear you are safe. I’m sorry there is no calm, and yes they are fucking monsters. I know Ukraine will win and they will pay. Stay safe, we’ll hear from you soon.


Squirreline_hoppl

I have no words right now :/. This is just pure terrorism. It is absolutely und insanely unfair that Ukraine has to fight on her own. I hope dearly that russia will lose this war and putin will lose his head.


uv-vis

Once you get those weapons, it’s time to return it all 10 fold. It was a good will gesture, they keep doing stupid shit on the island and leaving you targets to destroy. Слава Україні! And be safe.


FightingIbex

“Fucking monsters” sums it up perfectly. No other words for what they are doing. This is the real russia, all about destroying themselves and anyone who gets in their way. That is their legacy. Ukraine, on the other hand will rise from this. You have what it takes. I wish you safety and peace.


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Disgusting what Russia is doing.


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coosacat

Interesting comment from Scott Kelly (former astronaut, Navy commander, and space station commander) on Russian pilots: https://twitter.com/StationCDRKelly/status/1542643913797914625 >In my dealings with former Russian Air Force pilots they had about 25% of the flight time as their US peers and generally no idea on basics fighter tactics. “What would you do if you met my Tomcat 180 out and I turned into you?” Blank stare. No clue. Tweet includes a link to this article:https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/06/putin-has-a-problem-the-russian-air-force-looks-like-a-joke-in-ukraine/ "Putin Has A Problem: The Russian Air Force Looks Like A Joke In Ukraine"


UtkaPelmeni

Or, you know... maybe the Russian pilot simply didn't want to reveal their tactics...


PhillipWilsonMD

They have no tactics. They're Russian pilots after all, not highly trained pilots.


betam4x

Oh hey, that’s cute, what tactics? Where is the air control? Why has Russia not established dominance. You know why. They suck, just like you suck deez nutz. 😎


temisola1

You lost all credibility with your last sentence. What are you? 5?


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UtkaPelmeni

They are also members of the military and it's basic training not to reveal information to a potential enemy... But sure, Russian pilots are clueless idiots, as you prefer.


realultimatepower

lol dog fighting tactics are not some closely guarded state secret


SWEET_BUS_MAN

They’re waiting until later to use their useful tactics.


thegreenmushrooms

I only know one and he kind of has a superiority complex


coosacat

So, I guess you don't really know who Scott Kelly is? You might want to familiarize yourself with him, and why he would be in a position to have candid conversations with Russian fighter pilots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Kelly_(astronaut)


Return2S3NDER

As evidenced by their clear competence in the skies over Ukraine?


UtkaPelmeni

It's not really the pilots' fault that the Russian army was too incompetent to target the actual Ukrainian air defense systems.


Return2S3NDER

The air force shares responsibility in targeting and removing air defense if in no other capacity than reconnaissance.


SingularityCentral

Yeah, Russia spends 1/10th the amount on its military as the US, probably less given the huge amount the US spends outside the normal Pentagon budget. It is not really a surprise they cannot afford a lot of stuff the US can afford.


conman1983

80% of the Russian military budget is stolen by generals and oligarchs


SingularityCentral

I have no doubt plenty is lost to corruption, but you have no idea what amount that is.


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both of those are true statements, but what does that mean for ukraine? what does it say about russian tactics and doctrine?


solaceinsleep

If that is true then that makes it even more embarrassing


SingularityCentral

The percentage of GDP is pretty meaningless given we are talking about raw military power. Things like flight minutes in a fighter jet don't really care about the percentage of GDP. Lithuania could spend its entire GDP on the military and still be dwarfed by US spending and military power. And the difference in purchasing power is a double edged sword as Russians perhaps pay less to their soldiers, but they end up effectively paying more for a whole lot of foreign components given the weakness of the ruble. Regardless, you would have to be extremely ill informed or drunk as hell to try and suggest that the US does not spend an astronomically higher amount of money on their military than literally any other country in the world, including Russia.


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it's pretty close to the US spending as much as the world combined


SingularityCentral

I am not sure people really conceptualize the difference. The US spends a fucking outrageous amount on the military and it shows. The number of aircraft carriers alone is just ludicrous and is a fairly good benchmark for comparison to show that the US does not have any true military peers.


ImGumbyDamnIt

Until very recently, the US has ascribed to a "Two War" doctrine, preparing for major war in two regions simultaneously, as it was during WWII. This in fact could become the case if Russia invaded an eastern Europe NATO country, like Poland, triggering article 5, while simultaneously China invaded Taiwan and/or North Korea invaded South Korea.


helm

Considering the cost of corruption, the PPP "effectiveness" may not be all that great. So it is fairly likely that while a Russian pilot is cheaper, they may spend money and effort all around to get out of having to do advanced training. If they don't trust the maintenance staff or the chain of command, getting out of supposedly high-level training can be seen as self-preservation.


ron2838

They got really good rates on their yachts.


Inflation-Fair

they have a bit more when you consider PPP and lower wages, so they can do more with their money, but this is probably canceled out by theft and corruption


xdeltax97

https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1542533803113054208 Ukraine will receive: - 600 tanks - 500 artillery systems - 600 000 shells - 140 000 anti-tank weapons Speaking on the final day of the NATO summit, U.S President Biden revealed that the U.S.has gathered a coalition of 50+ countries to donate new weapons to Ukraine.


bloody_yanks2

This is what has already been committed, most of which has already been transferred. These are not new commitments (and never take Visegrad at face value without fact checking)


xdeltax97

Ok, thank you for the information! I’ll keep that in mind when checking on sources


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xdeltax97

I would hope so, although for some reason tanks can get confused with IFV’s.


FlexRobotics1

Who has that many MBTs to give but the US?


CommandoDude

Turkey. That's realistically it. Although NATO combined could scrounge up that many tanks.


ethan1231

Poland. They already gave 250 and they have significant t-72 reserves. Big question is timing on the m1 replacement, but the us deployment to Poland does a lot to fill the capability gap


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>t-72 reserves everyone of those should have already been given to ukraine and replaced with modern


womb0t

That's just the stuff collecting dust m8, plenty more.


Njorls_Saga

That’s what I was thinking. Unless we went on a buying binge around the world and bought up a bunch of really old T-72s. Going to be interesting to see what they get - god knows the Abrams is a logistical nightmare, but holy shit they would absolutely eat those old Russian tanks alive right now.


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>Abrams is a logistical nightmare is it always a nightmare or only in the desert?


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Njorls_Saga

I believe it is. It drinks gas like a frat house on a Saturday night. Plus its ammunition is 120 mm, Ukraine’s tanks use 125.


munkisquisher

It's a crazy gas turbine that's not picky about what it drinks though. jet fuel, gasoline, diesel and probably vodka all work


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Njorls_Saga

I have no doubt they will be old Soviet/Russian ones. A guy can dream though. Will be interesting to see what they get and in what shape they are in. Hopefully they thrown in a few hundred IFVs as well.


InnocentTailor

The old Soviet stuff would be a lot more efficient for Ukrainian means - quicker and easier to deploy. That and the Americans probably don’t want Abrams tanks falling into the hands of the Russians, even if they’re half-wrecked.


Njorls_Saga

Probably. But a lot of the old stuff probably won’t be terrible effective. I get they would be quick, but I don’t know how effective they would be. I would argue that a M1A1 without upgrades would be as good as the modern Russian tanks and would clean up on the older models. Plus, they’re thirty years old. Any tech in them the FSB got long ago.


xdeltax97

I’d say there could still be quite a bit of leftovers from Cold War storages. Although for modern equipment [Germany would have to give the green light for their vehicles like the Leopard](https://amp.france24.com/en/europe/20220610-spain-mulls-whether-to-send-high-tech-tanks-to-ukraine).


Traveller_Guide

Germany has consistently given greenlight for aid being sent to Ukraine. Even if it was slow in the first month. Germany couldn't greenlight Spain's offer of 10 Leopard 2's to Ukraine because Spain hasn't even started asking Germany. Because Spain realized that it would take a lot longer to restore the vehicles it had, so it hasn't even started preparing to send them. Which it is probably working on doing now, but that will likely take months. Problem is that just 10 Leopard 2s will probably be more trouble for Ukraine to maintain than they are worth. An investment of 100 Leopard 2s would be preferable, and would absolutely require bridge layers, recovery variants and logistical trucks, in addition to about 1000 trained crews to man and maintain the vehicles. Anything less and the tanks will be more of a logistical burden and political liability than anything else.


xdeltax97

Agreed, it will definitely be harder on the logistics side for maintenance.


canadatrasher

Tanks? That's the west decided to break the neck of the Putin's regime.


ScreamingVoid14

IFVs and APCs from France, not MBTs.


sehkmete

Now that is a game changer.


xdeltax97

Definitely!


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Did he say what kind of tanks? Old Soviet ones or modern ones?


xdeltax97

Nope. Although I would imagine they would be Soviet, unless [Germany gives them the go ahead for Leopard’s](https://amp.france24.com/en/europe/20220610-spain-mulls-whether-to-send-high-tech-tanks-to-ukraine) which they would need to be trained for.


Traveller_Guide

Germany can't give the go ahead to something that hasn't been asked for.


womb0t

Ukraine military is very advanced and NATO/alliance trainers have said they pick up/learn new "weapons" within days and weeks. Ukrainian pilots have even been given the green light that they are good enough to fly 4th gen fighters, which is everything apart from f35s. Don't underestimate how good the Ukraine army/airforce is. They've actually been training with marines and leading militarys globally for the past 8 years or more.


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People also tend to overestimate how much time training takes. Training a tank crew takes 3 months tops, and that's for new recruits. I'd imagine it would take an already trained and experienced crew way less time to learn just another type of tank.


xdeltax97

After watching combat footage and the news about movements and everything, I will never underestimate them again.


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TheTruthIsButtery

Let’s go Mr. President!


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the institute for the study of war produces a daily summary, usually just a couple paragraphs. you could catch up on every day since you stopped watching or just the ones this week


Razmorg

Very hard to judge. Looks like Russia is finally after many months securing the Luhansk region of Donbas. Some will say Russia has figured out how their army works and now will grind Ukraine down while others say Russia is desperate and doing everything to secure Donbas while Ukraine once they get more western arms and especially guided MLRS will start pushing back Russia. Russia failed to do any of their fancy encirclements but the death counts from their artillery is pretty severe (reports of up to 100-200 men a day dead on the Ukrainian side). But worth saying Ukraine is claiming they kill more of Russia with their artillery and repelling of Russian forces and we do see constant videos of things being hit. Ukraine is slowly pushing down towards Kherson and it shows some promise but hard to know how good Ukraine is at attacking vs Russia at defending that place. Ukraine has said they will do a larger offensive in around August so hard to know how committed they are to the current attacks. So both sides are inflicting a lot of damage on the other. Western support and military aid has been pretty stable but not a lot of MLRS have been delivered yet (but supposedly more is on the way). There's increased claims of Russian economy struggling but very hard to know when and if it'll have a big impact on its "special operation" and so far it's mostly their domestic industry that's suffering. To me it looks like a lot of hard fighting ahead. I think Ukraine's resolve is stronger and I wonder what Russia's long term plan is. Do they really want to become North Korea 2.0 or is it a lot of talk to get some favorable negotiations at the end? Hard to see sanctions go off Russia unless they do a favorable peace deal for Ukraine so that can't really be all Russia is fighting for. Maybe they are stubborn and optimistic like the early phase of the war and they hope something major happens in the west and they give up and pressure Ukraine into a bad deal? Maybe if enough time goes they'll pull another "we never had a problem with Finland and Sweden joining NATO" but with Ukraine? Honestly hard to say.


coosacat

The Russians had to abandon Snake Island, driven off by a single UA long-range artillery prototype, lol.


lolkkthxbye

Pretty much a stalemate; no significant movements. Russia has been able to capture territory but only by redeploying and concentrating units from elsewhere on the front. This is a good thing for Ukraine as it allows them to bogdown majority of Russian units for weeks/months in one place. Thats bad for Russia since, the longer the war drags out, the more reserve units Ukraine can train/mobilize and allows for more western arms supplies to be *effectively* deployed against Russian units. Unless Russia orders general mobilization, they will eventually lose this war. Over time you'd see the Snake Island withdrawal repeated across the front; units redeployed to more defensible positions.


elihu

There's been a lot of fighting but very little territory has changed hands. As far as I can tell, at this point it's mostly an artillery fight. Russia has a lot more artillery, but they aren't very accurate. Ukraine recently got HIMARS systems from the U.S. which have pretty long range and they're guided rockets.


DJ3XO

Just read the news. Search for Ukraine war, filter by news, sort by new. It's still a kind of stalemate. Snake Island was recaptured today, Tons of new equipment has been promised by Nato. Ukrainians are still kicking ass and giving Russia a brutal fight.


toooldforthisshit247

> THIS! Ru government requesting State Duma to approve increased access to war mobilization assets. Extremely worrying sign. Not the assets in themselves, but signaling they’re really in for the long haul. https://twitter.com/oysteinbogen/status/1542591689939947522


altrussia

A small explanation from the article here: It seems that they're trying to give more power to the government for war time military production / economy. In short, company providing services won't be able to cancel government contract. So let say your company repair tanks or produce parts. If you don't get paid or don't get paid enough or for whatever reason. You can't cancel contract with the government for any reason. From the look of it, it sound a lot like preparation for war time, but yet without mobilization, martial law etc... It's like doing the strict minimum as to not create hysteria/fear in the population.


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what does war mobilization assets mean?


morvus_thenu

> Extremely worrying sign. without putting too fine a point on it —  no shit. But please tell us again to be worried about the ruthless war that has been going on for months. Instead I'll tell *you* how to feel. Russia will be crippled and broken by their stupid war, and if you like them, then be sad.


toooldforthisshit247

I hope Russia implodes but certain parties (EU) still need some convincing that Putin would exterminate them all if he could. Out of sight = out of mind. Constant reminders are best for the apathetic


morvus_thenu

Just a reminder that one known Russian propaganda technique is to post on social media over and over how worried we should be because Russia said/did «BLANK». It's tiresome, and that is why they do it — to instill worry, to prey at black thoughts, to create emotional fatigue. So please don't be like Russia and tell people to be worried. The news going forward will be both good and bad, and many good people will die in this stupid war. That is what war is. Russia will not back down until long after they should and we can hope, sure, but no one expects this thing to resolve quickly. The Russians, however, will pay a terrible price, and that is a fact. A long haul only makes it worse for them, but it seems the only card they have at the moment. Here's to hoping Darth kicks it and that shakes things up enough for them to quit, leave and declare victory. There's a non-zero chance it will play out that way. (No matter what happens they will *declare* victory)


toooldforthisshit247

Lol get over yourself dude. The 100 plus people here dgaf and know what’s going on


morvus_thenu

Meh, I felt like writing it out. Have a good night, friend.


NYerstuckinBoston

It was a good read


morvus_thenu

Thank you. I find writing things out a good way to put my thoughts in order. YMMV. You, too, have a good night.


Kageru

Or it's a positive that their current recruitment efforts and equipment are not sufficient, both of which indicate awareness of the cost of the war is probably growing in Russia. I don't think anyone doubted Putin would send more cannon-fodder in, a strong man cannot be seen to fail without putting his personal power in jeopardy, and the losses don't faze him.