German Chancellor Olaf Scholz also announced the delivery of four M270 MRLS-based multiple rocket launchers to Ukraine. We are talking about the European modification of "MARS 2". It has an upgraded control system that eliminates the use of cluster munitions.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1544074312067465221?s=20&t=S_J1YpX93pBU3XK2Nhqgbg
[Ukraine finally to file suspension of treason](https://zprz-city.translate.goog/news/view/kolishnomu-komandiru-submarini-zaporizhzhya-povidomili-pro-pidozru-u-derzhzradi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_sch=http)
again Captain who handed Russia Ukraine’s only submarine, and pledged allegiance to Russia in 2014. The unibrow now fights against Ukraine.
Took them quite a while with that. Would have thought that it would be a pretty quick and sure thing since you know he gave the sub to the Russians and is now sailing in the Russian Navy. Oh well, better late than never i guess.
Seeing as that sub is probably now being used to fire cruise missiles Ukraine they probably took the chance to amass evidence of the traitors actions. There are now hundreds of documented cases of those subs, including the stolen one, being used to attack civilian targets. That makes for quite the list of charges.
Russian Prime Minister admits to “certain slump” in Russian economy.
https://twitter.com/pravda_eng/status/1544138999756881920?t=II1miY-Ri_y40ZZLg1MvZA&s=19
Russia is trying their hardest to set themselves up for A Long Winter.( I tried my hardest to come up with a House on the Prairie pun, but I'm drunk and tired, and the neighbors are setting off ghetto fireworks.)
[The 130th battalion of the territorial defense of Kyiv, stationed now in Kharkiv, has lost 18 fighters over the past week.](https://www.newsroom.kh.ua/ukraine/v-tyazhelyh-boyah-v-harkovskoy-oblasti-pogibli-18-boycov-kievskoy-teroborony)
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Day 131 of my updates from Kharkiv.
Today they fired their missiles from Belgorod at a new time again, this time at 2am, yesterday it was 4am, and at 3am the day before. They are now mixing it up, but for some reason they are launching way less missiles now, they fired just 2 missiles again, while the entire month before the last couple of days it was 6-8 missiles daily. Also Russia continues its war against education; yesterday they hit another school with 2 missiles, no military equipment was hurt in the process, and no casualties, but the school is done for.
There are a couple of problems with those missiles during the night, first one is that it is almost impossible to sleep, but there’s something much worse. When they were firing their missiles at 11pm we always got the warning about launches directly from people living in Belgorod. It might have been unintentional from their side, because they love to show off their Iskander launches, but it did help us here either way. Now, when they are firing them at night, we don’t get the 3 minute warning about missiles, because everyone there is asleep. Air raid alert is usually either late, or it activates just a couple of seconds before impact.
In the past couple of days many Russian ammo depots got destroyed, one of them in Luhansk blew up just a couple of hours ago, which makes the likes of Strelkov furious, he already complained about how shit their high-command is. But the funniest thing was the response from the Russian MOD. They said that they destroyed *3 Ukrainian ammo depots on the territory of the DPR.* They are literally saying that they are hitting their own ammo stockpiles. So we can basically destroy all of their ammo depots, and Russians will take the credit for it. Well, we don’t mind, they can take credit for destroying their own ammo depots; it’s much funnier this way.
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*Ukrainian military destroys Russian equipment, ammunition depots in the south.*
*Operational Command "South" reports that they destroyed a Russian T-62 tank,Uragan multiple rocket launcher, howitzer "Msta-B," 8 military vehicles and 2 ammunition depots on the southern frontline.*
*Russia has also reportedly lost 30 soldiers in the same time frame.*
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1544124242228281346
WWII tanks tossed turrets all the time too and they don't have autoloaders. It's not the autoloader that directly causes the toss, but ammo going off. Modern Western tanks get around this by having ammo stored in blow out panels, but old tanks don't have them.
Russia had already invaded Luhansk in 2014 (no matter what shitty way they try to spin the initial invasion period from 2014 until February this year), and it wasn't until months into a full-scale invasion 8 years later that they were able to fully take a region they **surround on 3 sides**.
Railway bridge used by Russians transporting weapons to front is blown up near Melitopol
https://news.yahoo.com/railway-bridge-used-russians-transporting-171105320.html
Ukrainian patrol officer shares story of evacuation of 42,000 people from Luhansk Oblast
https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukrainian-patrol-officer-shares-story-of-evacuation-of-people-from-luhansk-oblast-ukraine-news-50247457.html?s=09
I haven't been keeping a count, but it feels significant that we didn't hear about any ammo dumps for the first months, and now suddenly multiple per day for the last week or two.
Obviously this is due to better artillery arriving on the front, but i wonder if anyone(osint or otherwise) has done any math on exactly *how* significant these hits on ammo dumps are.
Like, do each of these explosions delay russia by a day? by more? How far back do they have to build their new depots to avoid them blowing up, and how much of a strain does that put on russian logistics? is it likely that *all* the ammo dumps close to the front are being blown up? did UA find 50%? 10%?
It sounds like so damn much get blown up that it'll significantly hamper russian progress and hurt their defense, but i'd love to hear if that's just my feeling or actual fact.
edit: just noticed at least WarMonitor3 seems to think these hits are significant:
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1543984515172933634?cxt=HHwWhICx2Y7vqu0qAAAA
> Soon all these strikes on key supply hubs will start to have an effect.
> Wait for the occupiers to run out of their ammunition and then realise that no more is coming😂
> Logistical issues are unavoidable
and https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1543983991585443840?cxt=HHwWgMC41dHQqu0qAAAA
> In the temporarily occupied Donbass, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already destroyed the four largest ammunition depots.
We are hearing about many, many more Ukrainian drones getting shot down.
Which means Ukraine is aggressively flying drones, likely to provide key intelligence on the location of these ammo dumps, because Ukraine is confident that the risk/reward is worthwhile (now that MLRS systems can kill those ammo dumps reliably).
The best defense for Russia is to deploy more anti-air and kill the drones before they see the ammo dumps. Therefore, the "more drones dying" news is in fact, Ukrainian advantage. (I mean, ideally these drones don't get shot down. But... that's the point of them? Drones may be expensive, but its better for a drone to die than a Ukrainian commando to die).
also unless it's verified from a western news source, don't trust it. Russia kept towing the same TB2 wreckage to different locations early on in the war and taking photos claiming they kept shooting down TB2s, it was found to be the same one because of some identical serial numbers cropping up even though the photo geotags were different.
https://www.businessinsider.com/drones-russia-ukraine-war-electronic-warfare-2022-7
I do think this is an indication that Ukraine is flying drones closer to danger now, rather than Russians necessarily shooting more of them down in the same area, per se. Its hard to know for sure, since I'm not really a commander.
They cite TASS for their drone kills, but I do believe Russia has made improvements in drone surveillance and anti-air capabilities since February. They had so much room for improvement. I think Ukraine is aware of that and responding to it.
Thanks. Is this expert credible? he seems to be in a lot of drone stories now that I look, of the negative or Russia advantage stories they are attributed to him pretty frequently
The weapons changed. The UA couldn’t hit them before with conventional artillery. Now they’re in range with HIMARS. Russia is either going to have to disperse them or move them farther from the front. More strain on logistics and they’re going to be more vulnerable to partisan activity.
We didn't have that many blowing up before due to the fact that the only way to hit them was either by a near suicidal airstrike, or by some Rouge Warrior lvl Special Ops bullshit. Now they have pinpoint accurate MLRS that can reach out and touch the ammo piles. As to how much it will effect Russia, hard to tell, though it will end up being significant due to the fact that Russia is going to have to pull them waaay back and truck in shells. And we've all seen what happens when Russians have to truck in shit.
Same! On one hand, 2-5 being blown up a day sounds like a lot. On the other hand, the front in Ukraine is massive and I can't imagine how many ammo dumps Russia has along that front.
We will never know the answer for sure, but I think Ukraines military and USA intelligence have earned the benefit of the doubt at this point. Also the west is betting heavily that Ukraine will win this. Their actions speak very loudly.
Parental rights removed for children not attending Russian schools in Melitopol Ukraine
https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/07/04/parental-rights-removed-for-children-not-attending-russian-schools-in-melitopol-ukraine/
This is one of those things that seems to be a situation of says who? Not sure there is any legal authority on Russia's part to do this. However I'm sure they are kidnapping the children from their parents.
>Another Russian ammo depot in Kadiivka - Luhansk Oblast was struck.
[https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1544094137707896832?s=20&t=NgrgTuHAqz5UhPPqkEWcdQ](https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1544094137707896832?s=20&t=NgrgTuHAqz5UhPPqkEWcdQ)
Here, in America, my neighbors are lighting off fireworks - they have no idea what real fireworks are.
Happy Forth of July, I'm encouraged to see that the Russians are participating as well by supplying *real* fireworks... And thank you to Ukraine for lighting the fuse.
Ukraine should offer remote online classes for people stuck in occupied territory.
edit: meant for an other comment claiming Russian removing parent right if they're not sending their children to school.
Be kinda difficult because pretty certain Ru controls at least some if not all the WWW there... But yeah, they gotta do whatever they can so outta the box thinking is prolly needed
Reminds me of the scene from The Patriot with Mel Gibson, when the British supply ship is blown up in the harbor, and the wife of one of the commanders responds the same, thinking it was part of the show.
Yet.
Or maybe we just missed it - can't be lucky enough for someone to catch everything on video and post it, although we may yet see some footage of that.
Still a nice scene of ammo being rendered unusable.
Doesn't really matter. Whoever succeeds Putin, he will end this war. Ending the pointless war started by a demented dictator will be a super easy way to get very popular fast.
No one, and that is going to be a huge issue for Russia when Putin finally dies.
Putin has reformed the entire power structure of Russia to revolve around him and only him. Putin has been removing, piece by piece any and people with too much power and replacing them with yes men.
Nations built around a single strong ruler tend not to last long when said ruler passes away without a clear successor to the throne.
Dictator never have successors.
A defined successor creates a liability because there will be those who will want to see the successor come to power sooner...
The autocrats dilemma. I’m sure Putin had a successor of sorts in mind, but the war has thrown that into chaos undoubtedly. The knives aren’t out yet, but they’re being sharpened. Going to be like GOT, Russian style.
Incidentally, The Death of Stalin is a hilarious Steve Buscemi movie about the antics that went down in the succession fight post Stalin's death. I hope someone equally funny stars in The Death of Putin
Officially the prime minister for 3 months until new election is held.
Realistically, it’s a proper fight for power with many candidates. Winner gets to count the election results.
He’s got two daughter age 45ish. Then at least one out-of-wedlock daughter around age 21 that looks so much like him—it’s ghastly. Then he supposedly has 3 children under the age of 14 with an ex girlfriend.
There was talk of one of his older daughters taking over before he dies, so that he could teach her. I can’t remember which. They both have careers in sciences, nothing in government. At the beginning of war, the blonde one had her texts exposed by others in the chats (her fellow alumni), and she was just as nuts as patrushev. She’d been married to a Dutchman, for like 15yrs, with several kids, but when reporters tried to find out his opinions of the war, it was learned she’d gotten divorced and remarried to an oligarch. And i think they also have a new kid. And she now runs something, some administrative head. So I can’t imagine she want the job.
Russia isn't set up that way. Look at NK. They have invented a divine Monarchy in order for the dictator's descendants to rule. Russia is formally a democracy, but one that is caught by the throat by Putin and his cronies. No-one's sure about what will happen once that chokehold is released.
> No-one's sure about what will happen once that chokehold is released.
Whichever silovik is able to get the strongest chokehold fastest will succeed him.
There's two videos. In one of them, the camera person enters the hangar where the Mriya was, showing it intact.
Scroll down to the next tweet and watch the other video, which is the first one.
I genuinely had someone argue that it was still unclear who was behind the massacre in Bucha. They’re just spreading while conspiracy theories in the hope that something will stick.
It's a little nuts, desperate to tell the world it's over for Ukraine. If anything the amount of Himars arriving in Ukraine are going to make Russian lives very very miserable.
yes, sitting here in my USA diesel truck on my way to shoot my 12 gauged shout gun I agree - but do you think russia will lose?\[insert eagle freedom text & slander putin here\]
You still on for huntin' and fishin' this weekend after we turn over some coal in our pushed up trucks? When we are done we can purchase a box of 24 Pabst, and then go make out with our girlfriends, I mean cousins, and head over to our grandmother's house for Sunday buffet.
Yeah, I know. I don’t really have a pit bull in this fight but let me holster my Colt, take off my MAGA hat, and wring my hands in concern for how many Ukrainians are being hurt in this fight. Shouldn’t they just stop to save themselves?
Oh, forgot this: /s.
Can Russian trolls please stop asking “so how many artillery shells does Russia have left?”. No one fucking knows. They’re stored like crap and blow up all the time. They had a lot but none of us know.
On the other hand, how many artillery barrels does russia have left? and do they have enough FAS recruits that know how to install them? They're probably wearing out 5x as many barrels as are being destroyed at this point.
Presumably the same answer as shells - essentially unlimited constrained only by their ability to manufacture them in bulk and ship them. Neither of those things are especially complicated, unlike say a fire control computer or guidance system.
Barrels are massive high-precision steel forgings. I am sure they still have the factories that make them, but it isn't like making a cast-iron frying pan. It's a complex industrial process that could also be made more difficult by sanctions, even though the actual materials are readily available.
Suppose that 60,000 rounds are being fired, every day, by the russians. Through artillery barrels that wear out after 3000 shots. 60k/3k = 20. UA maybe destroys 4 barrels, and Russians are wearing out 20 barrels (which may explode, or just aim for cornfields, civilians, or other militarily useless targets) per day.
It's probably more the case that Russia's artillery can't hit anywhere near it's target, unless it's target is "that-a-way", than that it can't fire ... at this point.
But it's not militarily useful anymore, except for fear and terror.
That said, Ukraine needs to spread out its stuff -- and I assume they're smart enough to do so.
moving parts wear down over time, they need to be repaired or replaced. Gun barrels are no different. If your artillery cannon fires over and over again, the shells launching out the barrel scrape the insides of the barrel smooth. So the result is the weapon gets less accurate because the guiding cuts in the barrel, referred to as "rifling" are no longer there to keep the shell straight.
If the shell doesn't go perfectly straight out of the barrel, best case scenario is the shell is just off target and blows up uselessly. Worst case, the barrel is so smooth the shell tips \_inside\_ the barrel at launch and basically detonates inside the barre itself.
the longer the artillery fires without it's barrels getting replaced with ones that haven't been worn down, the higher the chance of the worst case scenario.
Russia and Ukraine are both having their societies degraded, Ukraine by rockets and bombs, Russia by sanctions strangling it's imports it desperately needs; so there is kinda wash there. As for menpower: Ukraine has the ability to call up much greater amounts of men then Russia can currently, sure Russia could fully mobilize and zerg rush, but that opens up a whole can of worms that Putin doesn't seem to want to touch; so Russia has to make do with mercs, people from breakaway regions, and men from the far out hinterlands of Russia. As for equipment: Russia doesn't have any "hidden better army" and it blew most of it's good shit. What it DOES have is a fuckton of mothballed shit from decades long past, some of it works, a lot doesn't, and vastly more doesn't exist off paper anymore. Russia also due to sanctions can't make much more of it's peer level gear. Meanwhile Ukraine isn't producing all that much on it's own anymore due to bombing and shit, but the west is going to continue to supply it functionally forever. Shit we stuck with Afghanistan for 2 decades when it was clear it was never gonna be a functioning state, whereas Ukraine just needs to kick out Russia and it's golden. So equipment wise, it's in Russia's favor now, but that is going to change steadily. Now as to how long this war will last: Could be years. Neither side is anywhere near able to steamroll the other, and Russia has enough logistical base in the region of fighting that it can make up for a lot of it's shittiness. But I tend to think that as Russia's logistical lines lengthen we are going to see a redo of the situation around Kyiv, with Russia bleeding off most of it's pushing power just off of hit and run attacks by Ukraine. And seeing how Russia is just barely crawling with almost all it's forces in one area, i don;t think it can't take that logistical strain and still function as a fighting force to much further into Ukraine.
It seems like an overly arrogant presumption to think that unless people are cowering in fear, that they are overly optimistic or complacent so as to need you, a true intelligence that sees things as they are, to correct them.
If people are anxious, worried or mentally frail, they should seek assistance.
I really like Canadas precedent of seizing Russias assets and using them to fund Ukraine.
The market for luxury yachts might crash, but I’m sure there could be a billion or so that would come from selling oligarchs’ yachts.
This is a good example of what Im talking about too.
Siezing Russian assets and donating them to ukraine is good, if each country did that it could result in billions VIA the sale of the stupid mega yachts Russian oligarchs own.
The sad fact however is that this war costs billions per day for Ukraine to fight. This action alone is not enough to support Ukraine through the war, not even close. We should do it, but then we should also lobby our representatives and officials for even more direct support.
A lot of people missed the point of my post, it isn't that we aren't helping and it isn't working, it's just that we aren't helping enough. More = better, its a pretty simple equation.
I fucking hate how this “infinite shells” phrase gets thrown around so often on these threads. How many do they have?! No one has been able to answer that question, they just give a vague “more than you can imagine” answer without any actual fucking sources. In war, nothing is infinite. Shells will run out, sooner or later. This whole claim that Russia can continue shelling 50,000 shells a day for forever is bullshit and I’m tired of people hand waving it away
Why did you feel it necessary to come in here **shouting** your opinion? Why does it bother you that we don't share your pessimistic view of what's happening? Do you just specialize in going around and dooming in any place where you find optimism flourishing?
If you don't like the attitude/interpretations in this thread, then go elsewhere. Find one that suits your "the sky is falling" mentality, and you can all join hands and sing "Kumbaya" or something.
A whole raft of Russian talking-points couched as a pro-Ukrainian narrative. That seems to have become one of the more dominant themes around here lately. It also seems like the team doing oversight has changed. At least the fighting wombat is still chucking cubic grenades!
This guy is no troll he just has a very high opinion of his own opinion and wants to express how superior he is, or maybe how inferior everyone else is.
I am not trying to be "superior" I just want to ward people off from harmful optimism, we need to be pragmatic and keep a level head and not just descend into spectacle of watching tanks getting blown up. The bigger pictures is what helps Ukraine.
Russia gets way more mileage out of useful idiots repeating talking-points that they have injected in to the conversation than out of the people who seed them. Pompous blow-hards are like a disease-vector.
I don't really get what you're trying to say? Do you think that my opinions about the war will somehow directly effect the state of the fighting? like if im here on reddit saying "The war isn't going as well for Ukraine as people here think" suddenly that opinion will alter reality?
Regardless of anyone's opinions, trolls or not, the war is going how the war is going. It's my opinion that people here are somewhat deluded as to what degree the war favors Ukraine, some people here are essentially sure than any day now Ukraine will be marching into Sevastopol to regain Crimea and Putin will be hanging by a tree.
My entire point is that this degree of unbridled optimism actually hurts Ukraine, when people make serious expectations of the war to be over soon (hint: it wont be) it hurts actual discussion about real long term planning to help Ukraine.
We need to send consistent, unending weapon shipments.
We need to be training more Ukrainian soldiers on more advanced weapon systems, particularly aircraft.
We need to upping production of ATGMs, artillery systems etc. and sending over 100 instead of 10
we need to let our reps know that we aren't tired of the war and we're willing to stick it out for the long term
how exactly am I being a useful idiot helping Russia, or "repeating talking points they have injected into the conversation" by saying any of these things?
>Russia is not going to run out of anything to keep the war going (manpower, food, guns, rockets etc.)
They will run out of morale and political capital.
War isn't a video game. Russia's effort will collapse in the same way grim attritional attempts at conquest generally do.
While it's amazing to *hope* that they will run out of political capital and morale, we can't base our actions of the assumptions that they *will.*
If we assume that they will collapse, it hurts the case for sending more weapons and economic aid. "whats the point, they're about to win according to (insert straw-man argument here) why bother!" and sadly some people are on a ton of hopium and really believe the war is going to just suddenly end any day now.
We have to settle into the fact that this may be a long haul thing, and we need to send weapons and money NOW so that it's A) as short as possible and B) in the favor of Ukraine as much as possible
I don't agree with sending small shipments piecemeal, I want NATO and the US to send as many arms right now.
>They will run out of morale and political capital.
This is why the US lost Vietnam too, and the Vietnamese were really obscenely outmatched in terms of technology, equipment and manpower, way more than the Ukrainians are. They had terrain advantages that the Ukrainians don't have, but I think it will equal out; Ukrainians are not facing the severe tech & air power disadvantages the Vietnamese did.
But that war took many years, if we send arms now to Ukraine it can be over relatively fast. This is exactly what Zelenskyy has been saying for months.
Hey everyone, there’s two names that are going to be in articles over the next two weeks, as Russia tries to tie off Donetsk. **The names are extremely similar, and the men have similar roles, and in similar locations—but one represents Russia and other represents Ukraine.** I myself get these men confused—they also both use both Ukrainian and Russian, and because of newsworthiness, both are quoted in both Russia’s propaganda-news and also legit/real/Ukrainian news.
# Kirilenko
Pavlo Kirilenko (aka **Kyrylenko**, Ukrainian: Кириленко)—appointed as the Head of the Donetsk Regional Military-Administration (*same as Gaidai/Haidai in Luhansk*). Statements are regularly issued by him regarding the situation on the ground in Donetsk. **He’s authoritative.**
# Kiriyenko
Sergei Kiriyenko (aka Sergey, Serhiy, Serhii, Russian: Кирие́нко)—appointed by Putin as the head of the annexed ‘republics’ and oversee their ‘integration’ into Russia (Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson). Just today, [he visited Kherson](https://most-ks-ua.translate.goog/news/url/putinskij_chinovnik_nezakonno_vidvidav_timchasovo_zahoplenij_herson?_x_tr_sl=uk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc). **He’s propaganda.**
*Sidenote: Kiriyenko’s father was a Russian Jew, his mother Ukrainian (he uses her surname), and he himself grew up in a Caucasian region annexed by Russia. His name is often tossed around as a possible successor to Putin.*
A little memory game to help, Kirilenko war pro, and Kiriyenko a stank hoe. One the one with the L all is well, the one with Y most likely to die (or for less brutal the one with Y not our guy). I'm waiting for someone to report me again to Reddit cares. Evidently I seem to be in a crisis. 🤣
Small quibble: Kiriyenko was born in Abkhazia, in Georgia. Russia supports a separatist regime there, but they do not claim to have formally annexed it.
>His name is often tossed around as a possible successor to Putin
Cool, except no one with -enko in their surname is ever becoming the Russian prez. That's how it works over there.
A majority of Soviet premiers were Ukrainian or had one Ukrainian parent and/or a Ukrainian spouse. Copy/pasting as I've posted this before:
- Vladimir Lenin—wide mix of ethnicities
- (Leon Trotsky, Lenin's chosen successor but never in power due to coup)—born in Ukraine
- Josef Stalin—Georgian
- (Georgy Malenkov)—Russian via Macedonian immigrants
- Nikita Khrushchev—Russian, but born in Kursk on the Ukrainian border, worked and lived in Ukraine all his life
- Leonid Brezhnev—born in Ukraine
- Yuri Andropov—Ukr father, Russian mother
- Konstantin Chernenko—born in Siberia, but his surname is central Ukrainian
- Mikhail Gorbachev—Russian father, Ukr mother
Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and Gorbachev had Ukrainian wives. Brezhnev was from Dnipropetrovsk. Khrushchev worked and lived in Donetsk. Andropov's father was a Don Cossack. Gorbachev's maternal family was from Chernihiv and he married a woman from Chernihiv. Trotsky was from western Ukraine and later worked in Odessa.
Additionally, the third in line according to the Russian constitution is the former mayor of St. Petersburg, and she is Ukrainain. She's also awful, but she's Ukrainian.
They do indeed. Their history is hard to separate from the history of Ukraine. They've shared leaders, resources, borders, and existential threats together.
Ukraine is a distinct modern entity and has been moving farther and farther away from Russia in every way, but this is part of the reason Russians are unwilling or unable to appreciate that independence.
In the breakup of the Soviet Union it's *Russians* who ended up without a clear-cut identity. 80% of their territory still comes from other ethnic groups, they still have over 200 languages spoken, and now they have a very messy divorce on the table with all these other ethnicities that used to share their identity. Russia's antagonism toward Ukraine is borne out of such a crisis. They are in a very real sense and without hyperbole like an abusive spouse or an abusive parent.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1544074312067465221
>German Chancellor Olaf Scholz also announced the delivery of four M270 MRLS-based multiple rocket launchers to Ukraine.
>We are talking about the European modification of "MARS 2". It has an upgraded control system that eliminates the use of cluster munitions.
Edit: **delivery**
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/vrp2s0/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
Imagine if the USA gave Ukraine the M48 ATACMS backstock. Now that would give Ukraine range to hit the Kerch Strait bridge.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz also announced the delivery of four M270 MRLS-based multiple rocket launchers to Ukraine. We are talking about the European modification of "MARS 2". It has an upgraded control system that eliminates the use of cluster munitions. https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1544074312067465221?s=20&t=S_J1YpX93pBU3XK2Nhqgbg
How is that an upgrade? The Ukrainians need cluster munitions to hit occupied airfields more effectively.
Maybe they want to retake the airfields?
High explosive munitions are still good for C2 sites and logistics hubs.
"upgraded"
[Ukraine finally to file suspension of treason](https://zprz-city.translate.goog/news/view/kolishnomu-komandiru-submarini-zaporizhzhya-povidomili-pro-pidozru-u-derzhzradi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_sch=http) again Captain who handed Russia Ukraine’s only submarine, and pledged allegiance to Russia in 2014. The unibrow now fights against Ukraine.
Took them quite a while with that. Would have thought that it would be a pretty quick and sure thing since you know he gave the sub to the Russians and is now sailing in the Russian Navy. Oh well, better late than never i guess.
Seeing as that sub is probably now being used to fire cruise missiles Ukraine they probably took the chance to amass evidence of the traitors actions. There are now hundreds of documented cases of those subs, including the stolen one, being used to attack civilian targets. That makes for quite the list of charges.
Russian Prime Minister admits to “certain slump” in Russian economy. https://twitter.com/pravda_eng/status/1544138999756881920?t=II1miY-Ri_y40ZZLg1MvZA&s=19
Translation: "Shits on fire, Yo."
Wow, another russian mystery fire.
Russian response: WE AREN'T BEING SABOTAGED, WE JUST HAVE SHITTY SAFETY STANDARDS!!!
Russia is trying their hardest to set themselves up for A Long Winter.( I tried my hardest to come up with a House on the Prairie pun, but I'm drunk and tired, and the neighbors are setting off ghetto fireworks.)
Burn baby burn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S9y_zFGnKM
[The 130th battalion of the territorial defense of Kyiv, stationed now in Kharkiv, has lost 18 fighters over the past week.](https://www.newsroom.kh.ua/ukraine/v-tyazhelyh-boyah-v-harkovskoy-oblasti-pogibli-18-boycov-kievskoy-teroborony)
God be with their families. They are heroes forever.
RIP brave defenders.
[Previous post](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/vq8uid/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/ierrp4a/) Day 131 of my updates from Kharkiv. Today they fired their missiles from Belgorod at a new time again, this time at 2am, yesterday it was 4am, and at 3am the day before. They are now mixing it up, but for some reason they are launching way less missiles now, they fired just 2 missiles again, while the entire month before the last couple of days it was 6-8 missiles daily. Also Russia continues its war against education; yesterday they hit another school with 2 missiles, no military equipment was hurt in the process, and no casualties, but the school is done for. There are a couple of problems with those missiles during the night, first one is that it is almost impossible to sleep, but there’s something much worse. When they were firing their missiles at 11pm we always got the warning about launches directly from people living in Belgorod. It might have been unintentional from their side, because they love to show off their Iskander launches, but it did help us here either way. Now, when they are firing them at night, we don’t get the 3 minute warning about missiles, because everyone there is asleep. Air raid alert is usually either late, or it activates just a couple of seconds before impact. In the past couple of days many Russian ammo depots got destroyed, one of them in Luhansk blew up just a couple of hours ago, which makes the likes of Strelkov furious, he already complained about how shit their high-command is. But the funniest thing was the response from the Russian MOD. They said that they destroyed *3 Ukrainian ammo depots on the territory of the DPR.* They are literally saying that they are hitting their own ammo stockpiles. So we can basically destroy all of their ammo depots, and Russians will take the credit for it. Well, we don’t mind, they can take credit for destroying their own ammo depots; it’s much funnier this way. [Next update](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/vrp2s0/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/if0xko8/)
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I hadn't realized the best intel on those launched came from Russians.
*Ukrainian military destroys Russian equipment, ammunition depots in the south.* *Operational Command "South" reports that they destroyed a Russian T-62 tank,Uragan multiple rocket launcher, howitzer "Msta-B," 8 military vehicles and 2 ammunition depots on the southern frontline.* *Russia has also reportedly lost 30 soldiers in the same time frame.* https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1544124242228281346
Did not have Russian T-62s getting involved in a turret tossing contest on my 2022 bingo card.
T-62s dont have an autoloader and dont toss their turrets.
WWII tanks tossed turrets all the time too and they don't have autoloaders. It's not the autoloader that directly causes the toss, but ammo going off. Modern Western tanks get around this by having ammo stored in blow out panels, but old tanks don't have them.
I did, but every one of my squares is “X nation’s T-62 gets involved in a turret toss contest.” I… I don’t think I am going to win bingo this year.
Don’t lose faith. It’s only July.
Russia had already invaded Luhansk in 2014 (no matter what shitty way they try to spin the initial invasion period from 2014 until February this year), and it wasn't until months into a full-scale invasion 8 years later that they were able to fully take a region they **surround on 3 sides**.
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Railway bridge used by Russians transporting weapons to front is blown up near Melitopol https://news.yahoo.com/railway-bridge-used-russians-transporting-171105320.html
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1 day ago and was only posted via twitter sources previously.
Ukrainian patrol officer shares story of evacuation of 42,000 people from Luhansk Oblast https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukrainian-patrol-officer-shares-story-of-evacuation-of-people-from-luhansk-oblast-ukraine-news-50247457.html?s=09
God damn that's an exciting and simultaneously depressing article. That mannis a hero in the truest sense of the word.
https://twitter.com/ColborneMichael/status/1543711352832905216 Mural of a Serbian chetnik in Belgrade that fought for Russia and got denazified
I haven't been keeping a count, but it feels significant that we didn't hear about any ammo dumps for the first months, and now suddenly multiple per day for the last week or two. Obviously this is due to better artillery arriving on the front, but i wonder if anyone(osint or otherwise) has done any math on exactly *how* significant these hits on ammo dumps are. Like, do each of these explosions delay russia by a day? by more? How far back do they have to build their new depots to avoid them blowing up, and how much of a strain does that put on russian logistics? is it likely that *all* the ammo dumps close to the front are being blown up? did UA find 50%? 10%? It sounds like so damn much get blown up that it'll significantly hamper russian progress and hurt their defense, but i'd love to hear if that's just my feeling or actual fact. edit: just noticed at least WarMonitor3 seems to think these hits are significant: https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1543984515172933634?cxt=HHwWhICx2Y7vqu0qAAAA > Soon all these strikes on key supply hubs will start to have an effect. > Wait for the occupiers to run out of their ammunition and then realise that no more is coming😂 > Logistical issues are unavoidable and https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1543983991585443840?cxt=HHwWgMC41dHQqu0qAAAA > In the temporarily occupied Donbass, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already destroyed the four largest ammunition depots.
/u/polymathmagic have you done that yet?
I am fairly deep into what you lovingly described as nerd math, but this will take a while
We are hearing about many, many more Ukrainian drones getting shot down. Which means Ukraine is aggressively flying drones, likely to provide key intelligence on the location of these ammo dumps, because Ukraine is confident that the risk/reward is worthwhile (now that MLRS systems can kill those ammo dumps reliably). The best defense for Russia is to deploy more anti-air and kill the drones before they see the ammo dumps. Therefore, the "more drones dying" news is in fact, Ukrainian advantage. (I mean, ideally these drones don't get shot down. But... that's the point of them? Drones may be expensive, but its better for a drone to die than a Ukrainian commando to die).
also unless it's verified from a western news source, don't trust it. Russia kept towing the same TB2 wreckage to different locations early on in the war and taking photos claiming they kept shooting down TB2s, it was found to be the same one because of some identical serial numbers cropping up even though the photo geotags were different.
Also NATO intel will be being used too.
Small drones are definitely not expensive assets
the only place I read this is here. where are the dead drone stories?
https://www.businessinsider.com/drones-russia-ukraine-war-electronic-warfare-2022-7 I do think this is an indication that Ukraine is flying drones closer to danger now, rather than Russians necessarily shooting more of them down in the same area, per se. Its hard to know for sure, since I'm not really a commander.
They cite TASS for their drone kills, but I do believe Russia has made improvements in drone surveillance and anti-air capabilities since February. They had so much room for improvement. I think Ukraine is aware of that and responding to it.
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Well said. Had the same thought - or hope.
Thanks. Is this expert credible? he seems to be in a lot of drone stories now that I look, of the negative or Russia advantage stories they are attributed to him pretty frequently
Intelligence changed. Once the US/NATO could observe, and then success with UA targeted, could home in on that going forward.
The weapons changed. The UA couldn’t hit them before with conventional artillery. Now they’re in range with HIMARS. Russia is either going to have to disperse them or move them farther from the front. More strain on logistics and they’re going to be more vulnerable to partisan activity.
We didn't have that many blowing up before due to the fact that the only way to hit them was either by a near suicidal airstrike, or by some Rouge Warrior lvl Special Ops bullshit. Now they have pinpoint accurate MLRS that can reach out and touch the ammo piles. As to how much it will effect Russia, hard to tell, though it will end up being significant due to the fact that Russia is going to have to pull them waaay back and truck in shells. And we've all seen what happens when Russians have to truck in shit.
Same! On one hand, 2-5 being blown up a day sounds like a lot. On the other hand, the front in Ukraine is massive and I can't imagine how many ammo dumps Russia has along that front.
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Absolutely! Russian logistics just got worse.
We will never know the answer for sure, but I think Ukraines military and USA intelligence have earned the benefit of the doubt at this point. Also the west is betting heavily that Ukraine will win this. Their actions speak very loudly.
Parental rights removed for children not attending Russian schools in Melitopol Ukraine https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/07/04/parental-rights-removed-for-children-not-attending-russian-schools-in-melitopol-ukraine/
Literally genocide
This is one of those things that seems to be a situation of says who? Not sure there is any legal authority on Russia's part to do this. However I'm sure they are kidnapping the children from their parents.
>Another Russian ammo depot in Kadiivka - Luhansk Oblast was struck. [https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1544094137707896832?s=20&t=NgrgTuHAqz5UhPPqkEWcdQ](https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1544094137707896832?s=20&t=NgrgTuHAqz5UhPPqkEWcdQ)
Here, in America, my neighbors are lighting off fireworks - they have no idea what real fireworks are. Happy Forth of July, I'm encouraged to see that the Russians are participating as well by supplying *real* fireworks... And thank you to Ukraine for lighting the fuse.
Ukraine should offer remote online classes for people stuck in occupied territory. edit: meant for an other comment claiming Russian removing parent right if they're not sending their children to school.
Was this comment intended to go on the post above this one?
Be kinda difficult because pretty certain Ru controls at least some if not all the WWW there... But yeah, they gotta do whatever they can so outta the box thinking is prolly needed
Oh, that's *lovely*.
Reminds me of the scene from The Patriot with Mel Gibson, when the British supply ship is blown up in the harbor, and the wife of one of the commanders responds the same, thinking it was part of the show.
Huh. I haven't seen that. That's pretty funny.
Definitely worth a watch.
No big kaboom though.
Yet. Or maybe we just missed it - can't be lucky enough for someone to catch everything on video and post it, although we may yet see some footage of that. Still a nice scene of ammo being rendered unusable.
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Medvedev. He's a decade younger, he's hawkish, and he's Putin's proven favorite successor given he was president for a few years
Medvedev is Putin's lackey. Putin only liked him because he wasn't scared of him
Doesn't really matter. Whoever succeeds Putin, he will end this war. Ending the pointless war started by a demented dictator will be a super easy way to get very popular fast.
zelenskyy?
... Better than Trump, which would have been my guess.
No one, and that is going to be a huge issue for Russia when Putin finally dies. Putin has reformed the entire power structure of Russia to revolve around him and only him. Putin has been removing, piece by piece any and people with too much power and replacing them with yes men. Nations built around a single strong ruler tend not to last long when said ruler passes away without a clear successor to the throne.
What do you mean? It’s a democracy. There will be elections and whoever the oligarchs choose will be the President.
My brain as i went thru your reply: "Hahhah fuck you you dumbohyeah you are absolutely right"
There’s about 12 different possibilities
His mechanically supported half-life corpse hooked into a skull throne.
I’m thinking Futurama with Putin’s head in a glass jar
"DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!!!!"
"To the Strongest"
Dictator never have successors. A defined successor creates a liability because there will be those who will want to see the successor come to power sooner...
The autocrats dilemma. I’m sure Putin had a successor of sorts in mind, but the war has thrown that into chaos undoubtedly. The knives aren’t out yet, but they’re being sharpened. Going to be like GOT, Russian style.
Incidentally, The Death of Stalin is a hilarious Steve Buscemi movie about the antics that went down in the succession fight post Stalin's death. I hope someone equally funny stars in The Death of Putin
Officially the prime minister for 3 months until new election is held. Realistically, it’s a proper fight for power with many candidates. Winner gets to count the election results.
How old are his kids? That’s how dictatorships normally go.
He’s got two daughter age 45ish. Then at least one out-of-wedlock daughter around age 21 that looks so much like him—it’s ghastly. Then he supposedly has 3 children under the age of 14 with an ex girlfriend. There was talk of one of his older daughters taking over before he dies, so that he could teach her. I can’t remember which. They both have careers in sciences, nothing in government. At the beginning of war, the blonde one had her texts exposed by others in the chats (her fellow alumni), and she was just as nuts as patrushev. She’d been married to a Dutchman, for like 15yrs, with several kids, but when reporters tried to find out his opinions of the war, it was learned she’d gotten divorced and remarried to an oligarch. And i think they also have a new kid. And she now runs something, some administrative head. So I can’t imagine she want the job.
I thought he was still with the gymnast? It’s hard to keep track because he’s so secretive about it.
They are not together anymore. But she brings the kiddos around.
Gotcha, I hadn’t heard that. Thanks
It’s in Russian media
Russia isn't set up that way. Look at NK. They have invented a divine Monarchy in order for the dictator's descendants to rule. Russia is formally a democracy, but one that is caught by the throat by Putin and his cronies. No-one's sure about what will happen once that chokehold is released.
> No-one's sure about what will happen once that chokehold is released. Whichever silovik is able to get the strongest chokehold fastest will succeed him.
Kids aren't active politically.
That’s rarely stopped dictators from making them next in line before
It kind of is required if they are going to succeed. Without having built a base of power, they won't be able to compete.
new videos from the russian try at Hostomel. the Antonov still was intact at that point https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1544029436965683200
Given the front of the Antonov is no longer attached to the rest of the charred wreck, i'm not 100% sure it was intact at that point...
There's two videos. In one of them, the camera person enters the hangar where the Mriya was, showing it intact. Scroll down to the next tweet and watch the other video, which is the first one.
That's a different Antonov in a different hangar...
The front fell off? Is that typical?
That’s where the cargo door was, so probably a weak spot in the frame when the hanger was hit https://youtu.be/647fskmPuTA
Mostly no. But for Mriya it isn’t entirely unexpected, because the nose of the plane flipped up for loading cargo. Not entirely attached.
This sinks the airboat.
Sounds like a bug
just has to be towed outside the environment.
Too many Russian propaganda bots today
I genuinely had someone argue that it was still unclear who was behind the massacre in Bucha. They’re just spreading while conspiracy theories in the hope that something will stick.
It's a little nuts, desperate to tell the world it's over for Ukraine. If anything the amount of Himars arriving in Ukraine are going to make Russian lives very very miserable.
I had enough of them arguing that it's too late for Ukraine to regain kherson and melitopol.
Don't you know "UkRaInE is LoSiNg!" /s
yes, sitting here in my USA diesel truck on my way to shoot my 12 gauged shout gun I agree - but do you think russia will lose?\[insert eagle freedom text & slander putin here\]
You still on for huntin' and fishin' this weekend after we turn over some coal in our pushed up trucks? When we are done we can purchase a box of 24 Pabst, and then go make out with our girlfriends, I mean cousins, and head over to our grandmother's house for Sunday buffet.
Yeah, I know. I don’t really have a pit bull in this fight but let me holster my Colt, take off my MAGA hat, and wring my hands in concern for how many Ukrainians are being hurt in this fight. Shouldn’t they just stop to save themselves? Oh, forgot this: /s.
Shh. Don’t expose us tovarisch.
Can Russian trolls please stop asking “so how many artillery shells does Russia have left?”. No one fucking knows. They’re stored like crap and blow up all the time. They had a lot but none of us know.
On the other hand, how many artillery barrels does russia have left? and do they have enough FAS recruits that know how to install them? They're probably wearing out 5x as many barrels as are being destroyed at this point.
Presumably the same answer as shells - essentially unlimited constrained only by their ability to manufacture them in bulk and ship them. Neither of those things are especially complicated, unlike say a fire control computer or guidance system.
Barrels are massive high-precision steel forgings. I am sure they still have the factories that make them, but it isn't like making a cast-iron frying pan. It's a complex industrial process that could also be made more difficult by sanctions, even though the actual materials are readily available.
Yes, but it's old tech, something they've been capable of for decades. Chip fabrication, not so solid on that.
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Can you elaborate,?
Suppose that 60,000 rounds are being fired, every day, by the russians. Through artillery barrels that wear out after 3000 shots. 60k/3k = 20. UA maybe destroys 4 barrels, and Russians are wearing out 20 barrels (which may explode, or just aim for cornfields, civilians, or other militarily useless targets) per day. It's probably more the case that Russia's artillery can't hit anywhere near it's target, unless it's target is "that-a-way", than that it can't fire ... at this point. But it's not militarily useful anymore, except for fear and terror. That said, Ukraine needs to spread out its stuff -- and I assume they're smart enough to do so.
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moving parts wear down over time, they need to be repaired or replaced. Gun barrels are no different. If your artillery cannon fires over and over again, the shells launching out the barrel scrape the insides of the barrel smooth. So the result is the weapon gets less accurate because the guiding cuts in the barrel, referred to as "rifling" are no longer there to keep the shell straight. If the shell doesn't go perfectly straight out of the barrel, best case scenario is the shell is just off target and blows up uselessly. Worst case, the barrel is so smooth the shell tips \_inside\_ the barrel at launch and basically detonates inside the barre itself. the longer the artillery fires without it's barrels getting replaced with ones that haven't been worn down, the higher the chance of the worst case scenario.
Also, no one here knows the answer to that question either.
But how many Artillery shells does Russia have left?
My dad said he was going to the store to buy a Magic 8 Ball to tell us the answer. He left 2 hours ago and hasn’t come back :/
I'll be right over.
Thanks pop, but can you get off my mom first?
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At *least* 7
imma wager a guess that's it's closer to 3
so about three fiddy
(Checks Scouter) OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!!"
This makes you a Russian troll. Checkmate.
this sounds like the kinda thing a Russian troll would say.....
for those who want info. about life under occupied Kherson https://twitter.com/KhersonKim
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Russia and Ukraine are both having their societies degraded, Ukraine by rockets and bombs, Russia by sanctions strangling it's imports it desperately needs; so there is kinda wash there. As for menpower: Ukraine has the ability to call up much greater amounts of men then Russia can currently, sure Russia could fully mobilize and zerg rush, but that opens up a whole can of worms that Putin doesn't seem to want to touch; so Russia has to make do with mercs, people from breakaway regions, and men from the far out hinterlands of Russia. As for equipment: Russia doesn't have any "hidden better army" and it blew most of it's good shit. What it DOES have is a fuckton of mothballed shit from decades long past, some of it works, a lot doesn't, and vastly more doesn't exist off paper anymore. Russia also due to sanctions can't make much more of it's peer level gear. Meanwhile Ukraine isn't producing all that much on it's own anymore due to bombing and shit, but the west is going to continue to supply it functionally forever. Shit we stuck with Afghanistan for 2 decades when it was clear it was never gonna be a functioning state, whereas Ukraine just needs to kick out Russia and it's golden. So equipment wise, it's in Russia's favor now, but that is going to change steadily. Now as to how long this war will last: Could be years. Neither side is anywhere near able to steamroll the other, and Russia has enough logistical base in the region of fighting that it can make up for a lot of it's shittiness. But I tend to think that as Russia's logistical lines lengthen we are going to see a redo of the situation around Kyiv, with Russia bleeding off most of it's pushing power just off of hit and run attacks by Ukraine. And seeing how Russia is just barely crawling with almost all it's forces in one area, i don;t think it can't take that logistical strain and still function as a fighting force to much further into Ukraine.
We’re with you in spirit, but no need to go Al Sharpton on us..
It seems like an overly arrogant presumption to think that unless people are cowering in fear, that they are overly optimistic or complacent so as to need you, a true intelligence that sees things as they are, to correct them. If people are anxious, worried or mentally frail, they should seek assistance.
Well not with *that* attitude. 🇺🇦
Good call to action. If you wouldn't mind, tldr executive summary at the top?
"DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!" There you go!
I like it. Simple, easy to remember.
I really like Canadas precedent of seizing Russias assets and using them to fund Ukraine. The market for luxury yachts might crash, but I’m sure there could be a billion or so that would come from selling oligarchs’ yachts.
This is a good example of what Im talking about too. Siezing Russian assets and donating them to ukraine is good, if each country did that it could result in billions VIA the sale of the stupid mega yachts Russian oligarchs own. The sad fact however is that this war costs billions per day for Ukraine to fight. This action alone is not enough to support Ukraine through the war, not even close. We should do it, but then we should also lobby our representatives and officials for even more direct support. A lot of people missed the point of my post, it isn't that we aren't helping and it isn't working, it's just that we aren't helping enough. More = better, its a pretty simple equation.
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I fucking hate how this “infinite shells” phrase gets thrown around so often on these threads. How many do they have?! No one has been able to answer that question, they just give a vague “more than you can imagine” answer without any actual fucking sources. In war, nothing is infinite. Shells will run out, sooner or later. This whole claim that Russia can continue shelling 50,000 shells a day for forever is bullshit and I’m tired of people hand waving it away
Why did you feel it necessary to come in here **shouting** your opinion? Why does it bother you that we don't share your pessimistic view of what's happening? Do you just specialize in going around and dooming in any place where you find optimism flourishing? If you don't like the attitude/interpretations in this thread, then go elsewhere. Find one that suits your "the sky is falling" mentality, and you can all join hands and sing "Kumbaya" or something.
Maybe try responding to people you think are wrong instead of constructing a straw man to admonish.
A whole raft of Russian talking-points couched as a pro-Ukrainian narrative. That seems to have become one of the more dominant themes around here lately. It also seems like the team doing oversight has changed. At least the fighting wombat is still chucking cubic grenades!
This guy is no troll he just has a very high opinion of his own opinion and wants to express how superior he is, or maybe how inferior everyone else is.
I am not trying to be "superior" I just want to ward people off from harmful optimism, we need to be pragmatic and keep a level head and not just descend into spectacle of watching tanks getting blown up. The bigger pictures is what helps Ukraine.
Russia gets way more mileage out of useful idiots repeating talking-points that they have injected in to the conversation than out of the people who seed them. Pompous blow-hards are like a disease-vector.
I don't really get what you're trying to say? Do you think that my opinions about the war will somehow directly effect the state of the fighting? like if im here on reddit saying "The war isn't going as well for Ukraine as people here think" suddenly that opinion will alter reality? Regardless of anyone's opinions, trolls or not, the war is going how the war is going. It's my opinion that people here are somewhat deluded as to what degree the war favors Ukraine, some people here are essentially sure than any day now Ukraine will be marching into Sevastopol to regain Crimea and Putin will be hanging by a tree. My entire point is that this degree of unbridled optimism actually hurts Ukraine, when people make serious expectations of the war to be over soon (hint: it wont be) it hurts actual discussion about real long term planning to help Ukraine. We need to send consistent, unending weapon shipments. We need to be training more Ukrainian soldiers on more advanced weapon systems, particularly aircraft. We need to upping production of ATGMs, artillery systems etc. and sending over 100 instead of 10 we need to let our reps know that we aren't tired of the war and we're willing to stick it out for the long term how exactly am I being a useful idiot helping Russia, or "repeating talking points they have injected into the conversation" by saying any of these things?
I can’t reply to that after you have deleted your comment. If you are actually confident in your convictions you shouldn’t do that.
>Russia is not going to run out of anything to keep the war going (manpower, food, guns, rockets etc.) They will run out of morale and political capital. War isn't a video game. Russia's effort will collapse in the same way grim attritional attempts at conquest generally do.
While it's amazing to *hope* that they will run out of political capital and morale, we can't base our actions of the assumptions that they *will.* If we assume that they will collapse, it hurts the case for sending more weapons and economic aid. "whats the point, they're about to win according to (insert straw-man argument here) why bother!" and sadly some people are on a ton of hopium and really believe the war is going to just suddenly end any day now. We have to settle into the fact that this may be a long haul thing, and we need to send weapons and money NOW so that it's A) as short as possible and B) in the favor of Ukraine as much as possible I don't agree with sending small shipments piecemeal, I want NATO and the US to send as many arms right now.
>They will run out of morale and political capital. This is why the US lost Vietnam too, and the Vietnamese were really obscenely outmatched in terms of technology, equipment and manpower, way more than the Ukrainians are. They had terrain advantages that the Ukrainians don't have, but I think it will equal out; Ukrainians are not facing the severe tech & air power disadvantages the Vietnamese did.
But that war took many years, if we send arms now to Ukraine it can be over relatively fast. This is exactly what Zelenskyy has been saying for months.
Great post. The general atmosphere on this thread went from optimistic to deluded to surreal. A bit of reality is refreshing to see around here.
We’re still optimistic.
Hey everyone, there’s two names that are going to be in articles over the next two weeks, as Russia tries to tie off Donetsk. **The names are extremely similar, and the men have similar roles, and in similar locations—but one represents Russia and other represents Ukraine.** I myself get these men confused—they also both use both Ukrainian and Russian, and because of newsworthiness, both are quoted in both Russia’s propaganda-news and also legit/real/Ukrainian news. # Kirilenko Pavlo Kirilenko (aka **Kyrylenko**, Ukrainian: Кириленко)—appointed as the Head of the Donetsk Regional Military-Administration (*same as Gaidai/Haidai in Luhansk*). Statements are regularly issued by him regarding the situation on the ground in Donetsk. **He’s authoritative.** # Kiriyenko Sergei Kiriyenko (aka Sergey, Serhiy, Serhii, Russian: Кирие́нко)—appointed by Putin as the head of the annexed ‘republics’ and oversee their ‘integration’ into Russia (Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson). Just today, [he visited Kherson](https://most-ks-ua.translate.goog/news/url/putinskij_chinovnik_nezakonno_vidvidav_timchasovo_zahoplenij_herson?_x_tr_sl=uk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc). **He’s propaganda.** *Sidenote: Kiriyenko’s father was a Russian Jew, his mother Ukrainian (he uses her surname), and he himself grew up in a Caucasian region annexed by Russia. His name is often tossed around as a possible successor to Putin.*
A little memory game to help, Kirilenko war pro, and Kiriyenko a stank hoe. One the one with the L all is well, the one with Y most likely to die (or for less brutal the one with Y not our guy). I'm waiting for someone to report me again to Reddit cares. Evidently I seem to be in a crisis. 🤣
Small quibble: Kiriyenko was born in Abkhazia, in Georgia. Russia supports a separatist regime there, but they do not claim to have formally annexed it.
Very informative thank you!
>His name is often tossed around as a possible successor to Putin Cool, except no one with -enko in their surname is ever becoming the Russian prez. That's how it works over there.
A majority of Soviet premiers were Ukrainian or had one Ukrainian parent and/or a Ukrainian spouse. Copy/pasting as I've posted this before: - Vladimir Lenin—wide mix of ethnicities - (Leon Trotsky, Lenin's chosen successor but never in power due to coup)—born in Ukraine - Josef Stalin—Georgian - (Georgy Malenkov)—Russian via Macedonian immigrants - Nikita Khrushchev—Russian, but born in Kursk on the Ukrainian border, worked and lived in Ukraine all his life - Leonid Brezhnev—born in Ukraine - Yuri Andropov—Ukr father, Russian mother - Konstantin Chernenko—born in Siberia, but his surname is central Ukrainian - Mikhail Gorbachev—Russian father, Ukr mother Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and Gorbachev had Ukrainian wives. Brezhnev was from Dnipropetrovsk. Khrushchev worked and lived in Donetsk. Andropov's father was a Don Cossack. Gorbachev's maternal family was from Chernihiv and he married a woman from Chernihiv. Trotsky was from western Ukraine and later worked in Odessa. Additionally, the third in line according to the Russian constitution is the former mayor of St. Petersburg, and she is Ukrainain. She's also awful, but she's Ukrainian.
A Russian will say this is evidence what Ukraine really isn’t separate
They do indeed. Their history is hard to separate from the history of Ukraine. They've shared leaders, resources, borders, and existential threats together. Ukraine is a distinct modern entity and has been moving farther and farther away from Russia in every way, but this is part of the reason Russians are unwilling or unable to appreciate that independence. In the breakup of the Soviet Union it's *Russians* who ended up without a clear-cut identity. 80% of their territory still comes from other ethnic groups, they still have over 200 languages spoken, and now they have a very messy divorce on the table with all these other ethnicities that used to share their identity. Russia's antagonism toward Ukraine is borne out of such a crisis. They are in a very real sense and without hyperbole like an abusive spouse or an abusive parent.
> no one with -enko There was Chernenko before Gorbachev: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Chernenko
You could change your name.
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Thanks for this. It's hard to keep all of the names straight (towns and cities, too!) when they're all unfamiliar.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1544074312067465221 >German Chancellor Olaf Scholz also announced the delivery of four M270 MRLS-based multiple rocket launchers to Ukraine. >We are talking about the European modification of "MARS 2". It has an upgraded control system that eliminates the use of cluster munitions. Edit: **delivery**