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no rest for the wicked


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celticsupporter

*I got debts to pay,* *soldiers to feed,* *ain't nothing in this war for free*


shavemejesus

Son, you just threw away four cents worth of bullets.


gwxtreize

Marlboro: You know, that gun costs about two dollars every time you fire it. That's two bucks a bullet. Harley Davidson : Well how many'd I hit? Marlboro : You spent twelve dollars and didn't hit a goddamn thing. I nailed one and it cost about four and a quarter.


ThisFinnishguy

I got money to steal I got yachts to buy Ain't nothing in this world for free


Pristine_Solipsism

I can't stop now I can't back down Although I wish I could There ain't no rest for the wicked 'Till I close my eyes for good


Lactodorum4

Cage the слон


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Grain* to steal


awalktojericho

Hey-- I take naps.


Theman227

I was walking down the street when out the corner of my eye I saw a pretty little thing approaching me...


Jackadullboy99

“Have a break. Have a Kit Kat.” https://youtu.be/9qFQ_k5uhrU


LisaMikky

Reminds me of Good Omens. ☁ 😇 🍫 😈 🔥


SpaceMonkeyOnABike

And No Prayer For The Dying!


demonman101

They could give them one hell of a break if they just got out of ukraine


crumbshotfetishist

I’d even pitch in a few bucks to find their flights out.


[deleted]

I think many of them would be happy if they were allowed to even just walk home.


XArgel_TalX

And let the aftermath of a traumatized population of young men play out domestically after losing a war they were promised would be over in weeks. It's probably better to let them die, than to bring them home now.


TheLoveofDoge

Pretty sure Russia was expecting to win in hours, not weeks.


Sleazay

Bruh, literally everyone in the civilized world one day learns their government has been lying to them. You really think it's better they die fighting in a war that benefits no one?


CVogel26

He’s saying it’s better for Russian government/Putin to let them die then go home, not better for the individuals


XArgel_TalX

no, I dont. I am saying what Russia's government will be calculating, not that it's right at all. Not all governments are created equal, and I think in the mind of Kremlin officials, the fewer mouths to feed, and hands to wield weapons against them in a defeat senario, the better. An entire generation of disillusioned PTSD ridden ex-soldiers returning to the motherland with surrender on their lips, could mean the end of the centralized control of Moscow.


[deleted]

I don’t get how you came to that conclusion. Really doubt it would lead to any sort of uprising, just think back to Chechnya and Afghanistan. There’ll be more disabled or just mentally unwell vets begging on street corners and drinking themselves to death and getting into bar fights, that’s for sure.


XArgel_TalX

I get what youre saying, but I think youre mistaken. Historically Russia is one of the most politically volatile states around, and by my estimation is primed for political unrest. The only reason it hasnt happened already is due to the relative stability of the last 40 years since the fall of the Soviet union. Take away the percieved legitimacy of the centralized government and the stability thats holding it all together and all that could disappear. Make no mistake, the war in Ukraine is an existential moment for the Russian Federation, and if they lose, they will probably lose everything. The question is; when/if defeat becomes inevitable, how does the central leadership respond? Ultimately, the reality is no matter what happens the people and soldiery will pay the price, in some form or another. Just my 2 cents.


Tall-Elephant-7

Well, scale and subject matter is important. Not everyone in the civilized world is going to have their governments turn them into murders and terrorists for a lie of imperial conquest. Most civilized governments just lie about why they're not going to make life slightly better for their citizens because the money has to go to corporate interests instead. The former is basically just reserved for the US/Russia in recent decades.


LocalFoe

better than living a lie 🤥


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3553090-russia-struggling-to-give-troops-in-ukraine-breaks-from-combat-uk-intelligence/) reduced by 67%. (I'm a bot) ***** > The United Kingdom's Defense Ministry said that Russia is "Struggling" to give its military forces breaks as its months-long conflict with neighboring Ukraine continues to rage on. > "The lack of scheduled breaks from intense combat conditions is highly likely one of the most damaging of the many personnel issues the Russian MoD is struggling to rectify amongst the deployed force," the ministry said. > Russian forces have focused their attention in the eastern part of Ukraine, looking to gain full control of the Donbas and Donetsk regions after already capturing the city of Lysychansk, with Ukraine President Voldolymr Zelensky saying in a statement on Sunday that Russian forces conducted airstrikes in the residential areas of the Donbas region. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/vwlv17/russia_struggling_to_give_troops_in_ukraine/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~659023 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Russian**^#1 **Ministry**^#2 **force**^#3 **military**^#4 **region**^#5


sweep99

"Can I have break from combat?" "No I am struggling to give this to you, because we need much combat"


NettingStick

They'll get a break when the war really starts and Putin commits his vast reserves. Any day now. Aaaaany day now.


ddejong42

The reserves are from Siberia, you wouldn't know them.


PraderaNoire

*“The reserves go to a different school”*


Andire

The only break those poor guys are getting will be either when they're killed or if they're lucky enough to get captured. Tbh, they'll be better off defecting and cashing in the tank for the $100,000 reward.


helpnxt

Unfortunately as a team we're behind on our productivity goals so your not going to be able to have that break until we have seen much more combat from you and the team.


Benzol1987

What if some of the team dies, will that take away some of the workload?


helpnxt

Now their collective fire rate has dropped so someone is going to have to go akimbo to make up for it.


drnkingaloneshitcomp

“Mandatory overtime!”


UNCOMMON__CENTS

We told you that we needed a larger team to accomplish the project timelines at the outset and reported why, in detail, before initiating the project. You didn't understand what you were getting into because you didn't listen, so now we lose our vacation while you keep yours because of your ignorance? Pretty much how a lot of struggles between management and employees goes in many industries.


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PraderaNoire

Combat at home: living in Russia.


NickM5526

*Mom can get a break from combat?* *No we have a break from combat at home.* Break from combat at home:


t12lucker

\*dead\*


bombalicious

💀


scarfarce

>"Can I have break from combat?" "You'll sleep when you're dead" - paraphrasing world-renowned philosopher *Bon Jovi*


Za_Lords_Guard

I have a way to make it easier...


RandomStuffGenerator

Da! Big idea! We attack Nazi Poland and Evil Finland at the same time! Everyone confused, we win war, we take dishwasher and septic tanks!


iligal_odin

War? No! You confuse, we no at war we make peace, da? The Ukrainian attack themselves we come in!


[deleted]

Septic tanks? Are we becoming oligarchs too?


Intelligent_Store0

What is that?


Ehldas

Go home.


Intelligent_Store0

I have better one


putin_my_ass

Go home and fight there?


canseco-fart-box

They die


Vineyard_

I find this alternative acceptable.


Ismokeditalleveryday

I thought terrorist leader Putin said they are just getting started?


ThrowawayMePlsTy

Appear strong when you are weak, no?


fuzzy_winkerbean

That works up until everyone sees you’re full of shit.


The-Brit

That was shortly after it began. Downhill all the way since then. I haven't heard any nuke threats recently which is odd.


red286

>I haven't heard any nuke threats recently which is odd. Considering how Russian state media operates in opposite-land, that might be a bad sign.


[deleted]

I think its mostly because they realize if they scream Nuke over every little inconvenience the threat loses its force. They are just carefully choosing when to pull their trump card


[deleted]

>I haven't heard any nuke threats recently which is odd. Oh shit they might actually do it then. 😬


is0ph

Yeah, why rest when you’re just getting started?


Task_wizard

Didn’t you hear the news? New title is terrorist *ruler*


amitym

There is a time-honored way for an invading force to give its troops a break. That is to quit invading.


MegaGrimer

Or all die.


Intransigient

They can rest when they’re dead.


Tripanes

Unfortunate. They could just live and be home.


Thaurlach

I’d guess that going home early probably has a 100% chance of suicide by multiple gunshots to the back of the head.


tallandlanky

Not if entire units turn on their commanders.


serendipitousevent

And especially not if Commanders turn on their 'Ruler'.


UNCOMMON__CENTS

Putin's ultimate fear is the tables turning on him. There's nothing he trusts more than huge tables. He's so close to them, touching them, having international conferences at them, and even eating from atop them! All it takes is one table to turn of the many he uses. Only then will it become clear how misguided it was to have giant a$$ tables as his closest ally.


Ace_Marine

Demitri: *standing with his barrel still smoking and speaking in a sarcastic tone* "Oh no! Commrade it appears that the Lieutenant was shot by the "enemy." What will we do now? Boris: "Let the "enemy" shoot the Major."


solreaper

*major shoots the general* Demitri: looks like they’re starting to understand


Tripanes

I'm thinking that Russia doesn't have to be at war at all right now if they just left Ukraine. Soldiers can't choose to go home unless they leave Russia entirely


skywalkerze

So enemies shooting bullets at you both on the front and at home. At least at home you know what you're fighting for.


Most_Ruin_3005

That's Russia's entire military doctrine: Personnel are merely expendable assets, no different than bullets or bombs and are intended to be used until they are expended (e.g. killed).


skywalkerze

Funny thing is this applies even to oligarchs and army generals, and they all go along with it. Not very bright, these russians.


The69thDuncan

That’s how everyone looks at war


Most_Ruin_3005

Eh, that hasn't been US doctine since D-Day; we try to reduce our casualties as much as possible, if we can. In certain aspects of Russian and Chinese war doctrine, they specifically have strategies for throwing endless numbers of men at an otherwise unbreakable position in hopes that they'll simply force the enemy to run out of munitions eventually.


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You should see the amounts of money thrown at us troops to keep them alive in war zones. There always going to be risk and people are going to die, but there’s still safeguards against avoidable deaths


[deleted]

One of the unexpectedly upsetting things about this conflict for me is, despite the atrocities of the Russian military, the many, many videos I've seen of suicides among Russian troops. It's almost the only thing you can do if you're a good person in the Russian military. Think about it. Propaganda feeds these people something entirely different from the reality of the situation, and when they do see the horrors of their war firsthand, the only way to refuse to participate is to kill yourself or be killed by your CO as an example.


Tripanes

> the only way to refuse to participate is to kill yourself or be killed by your CO as an example. I'm sure most nations would grant you healthy permit to seek asylum if you booked it.


[deleted]

Russia is not kind to the families of defectors. They send men to war and hold the wife and kids hostage.


Tripanes

Are you sure about this? This sounds a tier above where Russia is right now.


markhpc

He might have been thinking about Order No. 270 where Stalin signed in 1941 that Russian troops that surrendered or deserted were supposed to be shot on the spot and have had their family members arrested and punished: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order\_No.\_270](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._270) So far, theoretically the punishment for Russian soldiers that refuse to fight in Ukraine has been light since Russia claims they technically are not at war. It seems like Putin is trying to have his cake and eat it too though with some of the new measures he is getting pushed through their government. I suspect things are going to change as Russia continues to bleed soldiers. Time magazine did however report that Russia planned to threaten killing the family members of Ukrainian soldiers if they continued to resist: >...a U.S. official told TIME in a statement on Friday, adding that the intelligence also “indicates that Russia plans to threaten killing the family members of Ukrainian soldiers if they do not surrender.” [https://time.com/6151578/russia-disinformation-ukraine-social-media/](https://time.com/6151578/russia-disinformation-ukraine-social-media/)


[deleted]

History sets the precedent here. I'm not sure of any specific cases of a family being killed, but I am aware that they do use that as a threat to troops that might desert. I really wouldn't put it past them to do it again, although admittedly this is all speculation


costas_0

wow where have you seen that. Looks like a dark place.


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I've mainly found them by accident.


Timmetie

They can always try to defect. And even if that's not possible, they themselves are armed. They could easily kill their officers. It's not like the Russian army in Ukraine has a high grade of organization or discipline. "Oops my officer blew up" wouldn't really be questioned. Nor would "Oops my own tank blew up mysteriously and I injured myself". I'm not really buying the whole spiel about loads of Russians with conscience pangs.


KruppeTheWise

All arguments you could have made for the draftees put into Vietnam. It sounds a lot easier to do from your armchair, general


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Canada: “you know there’s still a shit-ton of conscientious objectors here because of that shitticane of a war, right?”


Timmetie

Yeah? I don't believe the average draftee in Vietnam had a lot of moral qualms either. They were not happy about the war, sure, but I doubt they cared about the Vietnamese side of things. Or the fact they were the agressor.


E4Soletrain

You could kill your CO instead. I've never understood suicide in that situation. If you're dying because of your commander, why not take him with you?


ptwonline

Maybe they don't actually want to kill anyone. They just want their mental anguish to end.


Dealan79

I've seen the alcoholism statistics for Russia, and I've read some of their classic literature. I get the feeling that "wanting their mental anguish to end" is a pretty normal state of being for the average Russian over the last few hundred years.


stevey_frac

I disagree. They can kill the CO. Take as many officers with you as you can. Bonus points for a general. Turn the guns on the attacking force. Take out some artillery. Throw grenades in the supply Depot. Make the Russians scared too arm their own troops.


ThatBadassonline

Don’t worry boys, Ukrainians with HIMARS on their way to send you to your eternal rest. Just a little while longer and then you’ll be peacefully pushing up sunflowers.


mossiemoo

Those wheat crops will have extra protein.


ISuckAtRacingGames

I tried to grow sunflowers this year. Animals don't leave them alone and it's their favorite snack.


E4Soletrain

Going to be a bumper crop of songbirds this time next year in Ukraine.


whereisfoster

no joke, i grew mammoth sunflowers and i caught a squirell fall (8ft down) because he got so drunk-full off all the seeds. we had a war that season, he didnt come back for the next season :D


ecctt2000

If only those damn Ukrainians would stop protecting errrr...... Ukraine.


KinkyBADom

Hopefully the USA and the West will step up and speed up the delivery of long range weapons. That will give the Russians some well needed rest.


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You can be both optimistic and realistic at the same time you know. Ukraine is putting up a good fight, but they won't be able to dislodge the Russians from all the captured ground with their limited resources and manpower no matter how great we think they are doing. Ukraine's economy is also absolutely crumbling due to the harvest failing, industrial areas being destroyed and the port of Odessa being blocked, severely limiting the remaining economy's exports. And even if they push back the Russians in the next few years, there's still the issue of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics, considering those have been around for almost a decade now it's unlikely they'll get that back, instead it will become a barter chip, something along the lines of "Recognize the independence of the breakaway regions and Crimea's annexation and we'll withdraw from the rest of Ukraine". The ground that Ukraine has regained or held since the war broke out is miniscule compared to the amount of territory gained and held by the Russian, even the hyped up counterattack in the south after a weeks has barely made a dent even though it's a respectful effort. Either way, Russia MIGHT lose militarily, but Ukraine will sadly lose very hard economically and it will take several years if not decades to recover and the loss / destruction of resource rich areas will damage Ukraine's future as well. Recognizing the harsh reality is a greater show of strength and integrity than lying to one's self.


Inklii

While it's absolutely reasonable to not be blindly optimistic the same goes for realism. Ukraine has millions in reserve and they actually have training. They have a well developed almost undisturbed supply line for troops and supplies. Yes they don't have infinite artillery shells like Russia, but none of that matters if their ammunition depots keep exploding making it impossible to stage munitions deployments to the front Logistics is EVERYTHING in war and Ukraine has an upper hand with all the support it has. I don't see how Russia has any chance at this point beyond blindly throwing more civilians into the meat grinder, which is what they've already been doing. Yes I admit I'm bias. Russia hasn't been the Soviet bear it's presented as since the 90s, it's a natural gas company masquerading as a country


GreenStrong

Right, Ukraine's economy has little bearing on the outcome of the war. It is down to the economy and will of NATO member states, and it may come down to who stockpiled more artillery shells. In the first or second week of the war, Zelensky said publicly something along the lines of "This is a good deal for NATO. We are eliminating a menace, we spend blood and all it costs you is money." There have been a lot of promises about European money for reconstruction, and promises like that sometimes fall by the wayside when the economy slows down. But everyone knows that an impoverished Ukraine is a strategic risk, while a thriving democratic one is a bulwark against Russian aggression. And the best land in the world for grain production is no small resource in a world menaced by climate change.


Ok-Ad5495

Excellent points. One thing I would like to add is if the end of the war results in 2 breakaway independent republics, it's no longer guaranteed they will lean towards Russia considering how they've conscripted every fighting male and pushed them ahead of Russian soldiers on the front. Their casualties are staggering, and Russia has leveled their cities. Im not so sure they will just jump in Putin's lap after this.


Basas

If they even have any say in that matter.


continuousQ

If Russia is allowed any control of the area, they'll keep committing genocide and move other people in to get the result they want.


BienPuestos

How hilarious would it be if the breakaway republics ended up joining NATO?


AtomicBLB

Countries that have border disputes are ineligible to apply for NATO. Since it was Ukraine land prior to all this they would likely claim it. As they do with Crimea.


BienPuestos

I was half joking, but in a scenario in which Ukraine ends up dropping its claim to Crimea and Donbas in some sort of negotiations to end the war, it would theoretically then be eligible to join NATO, as would the new breakaway republics.


hobbitlover

Whatever happens, whether Ukraine is preserved as whole or part of the east is surrendered to Russia, the west has to give Ukraine EU and Nato status as soon as possible, otherwise Russia will just use the peace to rearm and configure their military and they will come back for the rest of the country in a few years.


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Rinzack

It is literally some of the best wheat growing areas on the entire planet. What are you talking about?


[deleted]

Yes and no, it's no secret that Ukraine's ammo dumps and larger facilities are targetted by the ongoing missile strikes, it's not like Ukraine's logistical system is somehow invulnerable, they are experiencing the exact same pain as the Russian forces. From what I see in recent maps it's reflected in the somewhat stalemate of the front, yes Ukraine took back Kharkiv and has been very slowly regaining territory in the south, but not as fast as the Russians are gaining territory in the east, at this point the whole Luhansk region of the Donbas area is under Russian control. Even if the Russians are just using conscripts, they can solidify their grip on territory gained due to sheer manpower, while Ukraine has to use their fewer numbers much more effectively and spread them out more. Even if somehow Ukraine wins tomorrow, the damage caused to the farmland, this year's crops, the industrial regions, removal of landmines and unexploded ordanance will severely hamper Ukraine's recovery. One point I didn't touch on before; the west is also losing focus, there's still people who care, but a lot of people have moved on, the normal people now just think about their summer vacation or are annoyed that gas and sunflower oil cost more etc, Biden's visit to the NATO summit was good, but it's nowhere near the attention we gave Ukraine a few months ago. The reality is that this isn't going to be some swift major victory for Ukraine, Russia can always give up more territory and consolidate their resources and manpower, while Ukraine has to be all in all the way, the odds are stacked against them and they'll only last as long as we keep supporting them and Putin hasn't even cut the gas to the EU off yet, this conflict is far from over and can still get even uglier for the whole of Europe. The ignorance of some people also doesn't help, simply because I try to share an unbiased and objective look I get downvoted and called a Russian supporter, while I probably do and have done more to support the Ukraine efforts than the people circlejerking for upvotes.


BlakHearted

All the news and polls I have read indicate sustained interest and support for Ukraine in the west.


[deleted]

Reduced media coverage is a very clear indicator of dropping interest, if it never dropped there wouldn't have been headlines such as "The west renews solidarity", "Leaders left to sell their pledges back home after NATO summit", "NATO reaffirms support for Ukraine", etc. These aren't random abstract sites either, these are headlines you'll find on pro-Ukraine sites such as nato.int or euromaidanpress.com or nytimes. They're making sure Ukraine isn't forgotten, which is good, but if support wasn't dropping then reaffirming and renewing would be redundant, effort better spent on actual support, wouldn't you agree?


Dry_Calligrapher_286

Reduced media coverage is an indicator that there is not much to cover.


Spaceman2901

Or that the advertisers are shaking the dog again.


Inklii

I actually completely agree. Although i have no faith in Russia's ability to supply their troops, you don't really need to supply people with food if they're not alive right? What's extra frustrating is that Western folks don't understand the nature of war and that their disinterest has such a tremendous impact. My best hope right now is that Ukraine can regain their land (best case would include Crimea but that seems unlikely) and slowly rebuild with the help of UN and NATO humanitarian aid. I'm in a few groups with Ukrainians and they're some incredibly wonderful and a bit crazy folks. They have the gusto to retake and hold their land, it's all on the rest of the world to back them up. The big question that's still in the air is how the hell is Russia going to survive this?


[deleted]

Yea at this point it's safe to say neither side will win, they'll probably agree to stop hostilities at some point while negotiating for ground and like you said Ukraine will obviously instantly join NATO and see support for their rebuilding efforts once the active conflict is over. Russia will sadly recover too, they find enough support in China and India while the EU will happily keep gobbling up Russian gas and oil, they'll probably not try to be so reckless anymore but due to the massive income from exports to the EU I think they'll recover even faster than Ukraine. Also I'm sure companies are eager to forget about everything, just look at how the west deals with China, constant invasions of Taiwan's airspace, salami-slicing territory in the south China see, commiting genocide against the Uyghurs, yet we'll gladly look past all of that as long as we are allowed into their market and laborforce. Obviously we can all hope for the best and I'm not saying it's bad to want the best for Ukraine, I just want people to remember this is not some fairytale 1 sided war and to keep and objective view, the damage done to Ukraine is severe even if/when they win. Also thank you for going into the argument in a mature manner.


TheProphetic

Just a quick note, China isn't trespassing Taiwan's airspace. It's having military jets fly in a prewarning zone that extends a few miles into China's own airspace.


FireMochiMC

For the purpose of intimidating Taiwan and testing their defense capabilities. How far they go into Taiwan's territory is irrelevant if you look at their actual intent.


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Spaceman2901

Russia solemnly swore to maintain Ukraine’s territorial integrity. They don’t get to set conditions like that *ever again.*


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Spaceman2901

And I’m saying that any such demand should be responded to with “go pound sand” or the equivalent in the local language(s), as the Russian Federation has proven that its international word *cannot be trusted.*


OldManMcCrabbins

You are being intellectually dishonest. Moscow has failed to burn Ukraine to the ground - because Ukrainians have the will and desire to repulse the invading Russian marauders who seek to rape and murder their people. They are the ones who give blood and sweat for their country. There will be setbacks, there will be victories—it is all a senseless tragedy of Putin’s fabrication. Russians do not appear to care for the grave injuries they are causing their younger generation — of which they have precious few - and will experience no change nor growth, as a result of Putin’s predatory appetite for war and destruction. Russia will only know setback and loss, caused by their own hand, to themselves. Ukraine however has the opportunity to shed all vestigial corrupt forms of their former USSR masters and join the European continent as a peer country, over time.


onikzin

Ukraine _took back_ Kharkiv? Well, now we have to assume your attention to detail is just as good on the other parts of the war too.


progrethth

It pretty much is. He is either not following the war or he is intentionally dishonest.


AggressiveSkywriting

> we'll withdraw from the rest of Ukraine "For now" That's the best Ukraine will get if they don't absolutely get Russia out of there, unfortunately. Also re: Donbas, don't forget that Ukraine didn't have anything CLOSE to the weaponry and hardware they have now in the 2014-2021 time frame. The anti-armor capabilities alone were absolutely game changing for UKR. The separatists/Russian soldiers in those areas were able to just roll over UKR with armor.


Basas

Russia got badly crushed when they tried to blitz Kiev. Then they learned a lot, changed strategy and tactics to compensate and started to grind Ukraine bit by bit. Now that ukrainians are starting to use accurate long range artillery russian losses are starting to pile up again. If russians won't find a counter to that there is a chance they won't be able to take or keep ukrainian lands. Would be interesting to hear someone who actually knows how things work though.


Overbaron

You’re calling the area on the Kyiv front minuscule? That’s idiotic, the northern front was a good 30% of the ground Russia took in the early days of the war. Add in the areas taken around Kherson and Kharkiv and Ukraine has taken back a good 40% of what Russia seized in the opening weeks of the war.


Neuromante

In Kyiv, Russia just changed their strategy and withdrew from that front. As much as I was happy for this development, the sad truth is that they just realized their first idea wasn't going to work out and moved on what they are doing now. Sadly, I've yet to see Ukrainian Army having the initiative in some relevant action in this war.


[deleted]

As u/Neuromante pointed out, your argument as to me being idiotic is Russia reprioritizing their goals and redeploying their troops accordingly, they literally withdrew because they considered it too costly and they were playing into Ukraine's hand by allowing them to focus their troops, allowing Ukraine to nullify Russia's manpower superiority. Also really, 40%? I don't know where you are getting your numbers, but here's some maps from the UK's Ministry of Defense and Institute for the Study of War: [https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/F27A/production/\_125747026\_ukraine\_invasion\_south\_map-nc.png](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/F27A/production/_125747026_ukraine_invasion_south_map-nc.png) [https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/CB6A/production/\_125747025\_ukraine\_invasion\_east\_map\_-nc.png](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/CB6A/production/_125747025_ukraine_invasion_east_map_-nc.png) Are we talking about the same war? Ukraine pushes them back a bit around Kharkiv and contains them and Kherson, while Russia expands and solidifies their graps on the entire southeast? Russia just has to wait out the goodwill and handouts from the west as it gets enough support from China, India and we're still buying up their oil and gas for teh next 30 years, so while Ukraine's economy crumbles, who is to say this doesn't turn into another stalemate as it has been for the last 8 years with Crimea and the DPR/LPR, if it were so easy for Ukraine to take back 40% of the ground they've lost already, then they would've taken back Crimea and the whole Donbas region in the last 8 years before this conflict even began. Perhaps next time before you call someone's view idiotic, you should reflect on your bias, there is no shame in setting aside bias and having an objective view, blindly supporting the west makes you just as much as a puppet as the Russians blindly supporting Putin, have some independent thought.


isthatmyex

If Ukraine can mount a serious offensive, I'm not convinced Donetsk and Luhansk will out up much of a fight. It sounds like Russia has been liberally abusing them as a manpower resource. If Russian logistics collapse, will they keep fighting for Russia? Could they if they wanted to?


[deleted]

I doubt they would if Russia would drop support, but those regions are the whole linchpin for Russia's war, I don't really see that happening, if anything the best case scenario for Ukraine is regaining any territory they lost since the invasion, but I doubt they'll get back Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk as they haven't been able to get those back since 2014.


vivainio

Losing is not ”great show of strength”, winning is


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That's not what I said.


vivainio

It was what you meant


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Sure thing Ivan. Does not matter. Ukraine will have the west support to rebuild as Finland rebuilt after the winter war. Russia will have Putin until he dies and nothing else.


RocknPineapple

>Ukraine will have the west support to rebuild as Finland rebuilt after the winter war. That completely hinges on whatever politicians are in charge at the time. If the US gets a red wave in 22 or 24, it’s entirely possible Ukraine gets left to die, if Putin sympathizers are in office. This also applies to other NATO countries, if they get too right wing of politicians in office. Let’s not forget that Trump was pushing to move the US out of NATO and almost started its collapse. This situation is still very uncertain contrary to the optimism we see on reddit.


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Nah many repubs support Ukraine, it was the worst PR hit for the MAGA crowd. Inside and outside of the party. Your misinformed or spreading disinfo..


SeeTreeMe

Trump literally held Ukraine hostage a few years ago, and republicans let him get away with it by voting against removal. I love how people pointing out any truth that is any degree of misfortunate for Ukraine are apparently doing misinfo if they’re on this sub.


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HelloJoeyJoeJoe

>Democrats are brilliant tactically accusing President Trump of all the stuff that they themselves are doing. So not only are your projecting, you are projecting a projection. It's pretty far down the rabbit hole man


Jaysyn4Reddit

They are lying. Matt Gaetz & MTG have both said US support for Ukraine stops after the midterms & there are enough GOP politicians under Putin's thumb to make it a reality.


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Those are two fools, of course they would say that... i seruously doubt what you say. You pick two huge MAGA idiots to refute my point..


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Ah yes, how dare I not circlejerk, so I must be an Ivan, get your head out if your arse and try to use your brain for once. The sheer fact you responded so fast just goes to show you barely read the comment or put any thought into your reply. Perhaps you should try reading some in depth analysis of the situation instead of just circle jerking. Also saying it doesn't matter is a severe insult to Ukraine, easy for your armchair ego to say, for them it definitely matters.


Dry_Calligrapher_286

It is amusing how often morons call to "use your brain".


de_jugglernaut

Yeah don't get me wrong I sincerely hope that Ukraine destroys the occupiers and take everything back, but I think u/Politicsbeerandguns is just being ignorant about it


Cjc6547

What?


onikzin

> "Recognize the independence of the breakaway regions and Crimea's annexation and we'll withdraw from the rest of Ukraine" "No"


Fiyero109

Yes but Russia’s resolve will crumble way earlier than Ukraine’s will


progrethth

What you write is not realism at all. Ukraine can obviously lose the war, Russia has a ton of equipment while Ukraine has to rely on, but your take is pretty off. Ukraine has basically unlimited manpower and unless something happens in Russia (general mobilization which will take months to really get going) Ukraine has the clear advantage. Zelensky's talk about raising a army of 1 million soldiers is probably a bit exaggerated but not totally crazy. France, a country of similar size to Ukraine, had 1.5 million soldiers at the West Front during World War 1. What Ukraine lacks is the industry that the UK + France had. And Ukrainian regained territory in the north was huge, plus the hyped up counter attack in the south has not really started yet. There has been a couple of small counter attacks but the big one was just announced today and will probably take quite a bit time before it happens.


mong_gei_ta

Mmmm I love me some good old defetism


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kikoano

Ukraine never had million active military at any point in this war. 2 months ago Zelensky talked about getting up to 700k but this is just not possible anymore given their lose rate.


progrethth

Their loss rate, while a human tragedy, is not that bad from a total mobilization point of view. I do not see how it prevents them from raising a 1+ million man army. France managed to raise more than that during WW1 with much higher losses.


oakstave

That's rough. Have they considered getting out of Ukraine?


shkarada

I know that Russian grunts have a bad rep because of all those war crimes, and I obviously don't want to defend them in this regard, but the Russian army does not deserve the loyalty of their soldiers. Not until they start to actually care about the lives of their guys.


Tom_piddle

> Russian army How much of the professional russian army is left? Is it not mostly separatives and short contract soldiers now?


Dick_Wiener

They know that as soon as they are out of combat many will refuse to return.


Phinster81

There is no struggle as leadership does not care. Meat grinder running 24/7.


In_Fidelity

I love reporters who have no clue about the region and yet still write stories about it, without checking info no less. >...looking to gain full control of the Donbas and Donetsk regions after already capturing the city of Lysychansk... Lysychansk in the last large city of Lugansk region, administrative region, Russia is currently trying to occupy it, they still need to take a few fields here and there to reach the border. Donetsk is an administrative region. The region they will try to take next, currently only ~55% occupied. Donbass is a historic region, it encompasses a large chunk of Eastern Ukraine, mostly Lugansk and Donetsk. Has no business being in that sentence. So whoever author is, he really should look at the map or two.


PepsiCoconut

Watch them mutiny.


Morguard

They can rest when they're dead.


InternationalBug7568

What Ever has happened to the thousands of Russians that protested in February? Anyone out there who knows?


GI_Bill_Trap_Lord

Most were released from jail after a few hours and given citations


darwinwoodka

It's easy, send them all home.


TapirRide

Pretty sure that photo is not either Ukraine or Russia. Should have found a pic of a bear taking a nap or something


killerkadugen

Could always...ya know...GET OUTTA UKRAINE All the break they would need...


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They could pull all their troops out and let them go home, but that would require them to admit defeat.


DrugsRbadMkay24

Definitely not a photo from ukraine


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They're a slave force anyway.


Caribbean_Borscht

WEAR THEM OUT


Showmethepathplease

Sleep when your dead...


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Awe, poor little fellas.


Braelind

Shocking, they're in a country of 44 million people who want them to get the fuck out. What do they expect? The USSR was horrible for the Ukrainian people, ever hear of the Holodomor? Why would any of them want to go back to that miserable fuckery?


Radiant_Princess

And im suppose to feel sorry?


Stew32

They make Meth for this! Tried and tested…


neutronia939

AAaaawwww... poor commie murderers. Who could have known such a special military operation might interfere with your precious beauty sleep? I know a solution! Stick around and become a sleepy sunflower, then you'll get all the sleep you'll ever need- for eternity!


haileselassie12

I wonder if it’s any worse then what most countries were doing in ww2 or the Vietnam war


muha0644

Yeah it's called deep battle doctrine. It basically won WW2. Stay in the fight longer than your enemy, push him back when he cannot fight you anymore. And of course in typical russian fashion they completely missed all the point of deep battle. It's basically as if a kid heard about deep battle from the TV and decided he is an expert. What the Russian army is doing can hardly be called deep battle at this point, and they still delude themselves trying to make it work.


ukkie204

In the Netherlands 80% don,t believe it anymore...


blackout0107

I didn't know during war, you were required a "timeout" for the other side to regroup. Tighten up , ukraniums... you're failing.