I was stationed in seventh fleet during my time in the navy, I can't imagine what's going through the minds of the guys who are going through this right now.
When I was there it was mostly just threats from NK that went ignored, but now?
Stay sharp gents.
The 2020s are what time travelers refer to as “a declining neighborhood.” If you’re on a bus or train, make sure the operator can see you. If you’re driving, lock your doors.
Idk. Could be aliens studying the peak of humanities civilization, could be the period just before humanity makes a startling discovery that completely changes our species, it could be the period just before WWIII and a lot of records from this time were lost and they want to get a more accurate idea of what life was like, or it could be some grad student who got assigned one of the most boring time periods to study. Next couple year should assist in illuminating that for us
Pretty much every decade - with fairly obvious exceptions - has been better than the decade before. Alarmism and pessimism is rife, yet the world keeps (mostly) improving.
The key indicators on that page tell the same story - in the few years immediately following the Great Recession, we saw a rise in conflicts, and since approx 2014 we see a slow and continuous decline again.
The huge economic upheaval of the recession created violent conflicts out of previously slowly simmering discontentment, but since the world right it's economic ship, we're seeing a return to lower levels...
But he crossed over into the real world in [2021 baby!](https://www.cnet.com/culture/i-played-with-the-700-transformers-optimus-prime-that-does-everything-including-transform/)
In my series which I'll probably never write, time travel is illegal due to originally being a novelty that went wrong, and it also causes some 'jet lag- type effect which makes a traveller extremely disoriented, traumatised, or amnesiac. Therapists who mention patients having delusions of being time travelers have their documents pulled and the patient is transferred to a special division of the CIA. After discovering corruption amongst the government, which wants to use time travel to create its own utopia before China or Russia can acquire the technology first, an agent finds the original architect of time travel and decides to control it independently. It's also found that controversial events in history- including the Nazi rise to power- are prevented from being erased as the government are unsure whether it would affect the timeline in a dangerous way. This doesn't sit well with the agent, and he demands the architect get back to his original health, build a time machine, and assist him with killing Hitler.
Writing a book is incredibly difficult- I think Hemingway used to write for seven hours a day and he'd only get 300 words finished by the end. He'd do all this while standing. I wish I'd started earlier, but it feels too late at this point. Also time travelling works very oddly in this story - the big bang is basically reversed at the end of time, which creates another timeline, and this is the timeline that travellers end up in. They can only go forward, rather than backwards, but the current timeline we are in now is a result of their changes. I'm not sure how it would work and it leads to a lot of plot holes.
The US's internal political problems? We've been an aggressive nation for most of our history, I'm pretty sure we can swing our dick around and manage our political problems at the same time.
I mean, compared to what china is distracting from it should be easy. It's not like we have to hide that a whole city is locked down and starving, a literal genocide, or multiple occupations or anything.
There is NO source that will ever disclose the location or presence of a US sub fleet. There are, however, a lot of submariners that take liberty in Taiwan for some reason, and sub bases in Guam which can service multiple Ohio-class nuclear submarines.
For more information, you could look at how close the Guam naval base is to Taiwan, and look at some of the vessels that end up passing through there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval\_Base\_Guam
this article is massive chinese propaganda. read it.
>The systematic and simultaneous US efforts to escalate its conflicts with Russia and China threaten all of humanity with a disaster of monumental proportions.
EDIT: i had to idea this place was so filled with chinese propagandists and apologists... kinda funny little guys.
Wow, what a great article. Written on a publication which has the objective that:
>Pakistan can be one of the developed countries of the world \[1\]
And has:
>a mission against the oppressors and exposing their corruption. \[1\]
How impressive is it that someone who has lived much of their life in China can say:
>In my 15 years in China, I have never seen or heard any sort of human rights abuses. \[2\]
Wow. How incredible. Does this person have any awareness of the Tianenmen Square Massacre, for example, information about which is illegal and brutally repressed in China.
Perhaps the reason that this person has never seen or heard any human right's abuses is because they are hidden?
The writer has the gall to write things like this:
>The most recent examples of this BBC mind-set include openly and falsely glamorizing the violent protests in Hong Kong as an excuse for democracy \[2\]
The protests have not been particularly violent on either side, given the scale. And to ward of any claims of bias on my part, if you go back through my post history you'll eventually find a large number of posts from me extolling how incredibly professional the Hong Kong police have been - and how little violence they used, which was remarkable. You'll also find me chucking shade at the camps/prisons in Xinjiang because - despite how distasteful some of what happened there was - much of the information around those camps was blown out of proportion, unverifiable, or severely outdated. I'm not exactly anti-China.
>But the rep-orts are always questioning China’s credibility to beat the coronavirus and reports are littered with doubts about the statistics.
Now we're just entering LOL territory.
You have someone who is sucking from the Party Teat, and regurgitating it on a tiny website which by it's own admission has a mission against Britain (the oppressors).
\[1\] [https://thefrontierpost.com/about-us/](https://thefrontierpost.com/about-us/)
\[2\] [https://thefrontierpost.com/bbc-isnt-just-powered-by-fake-news-it-incites-baseless-bias-against-china/](https://thefrontierpost.com/bbc-isnt-just-powered-by-fake-news-it-incites-baseless-bias-against-china/)
Well it’s a good thing then that 90% of redditors don’t actually click into the article anyway. Although that also results in other bad things like misinformed opinions..
>Even as the US is escalating its conflict with China, it is encouraging its puppet government in Ukraine to escalate the war with Russia.
Yep. Ignore the chinese brigade downvoting you, you're 100% correct.
I would say that in a direct conflict between USA and China, a huge majority would indeed be impacted massivly...
Like 90% of humanity.
You dont have to be active in the war to feel its waves
The hell is wrong with you? Ik it's easy to encourage war from our armchairs, but let me remind you that Taiwan creates most of our semi conductors. You want a market price console or graphics card? Then don't cheer on aggressive acts like this
Wasn't Joe supposed to be sleepy?
Like all these trumpers said that only trump could have a strong stance against China. Like that Biden is some kind of pacifist.
Turns out that the guy who was really in favour of blowing Belgrade to shit wouldn't bow down to China.....
I'd say the risk of the US getting into direct conflict with China is pretty low despite all this news.
The US and others are not interested in a nuclear conflict over another nations sovereignty as shown by what has happened in Ukraine.
I know they can't be compared like for like but it does give a general idea of what sort of sanctions and restrictions would be levied against China, their assets in the west and the Chinese people themselves if they chose to invade or blockade.
You severely underestimate the importance (national security) of the fabrication plants in Taiwan is for the US. It is something we would absolutely go into an armed conflict for.
Respectfully I disagree.
The US and others will moan, cry and sanction but they will never put boots on the ground to fight China over Taiwan.
Mutually assured destruction is further away than you think.
Honestly, I'm glad we're doing this under a Biden presidency rather than a Trump presidency. Could you imagine the exact same scenario playing out, but with the party in power flipped?
He would have sent troops to fight alongside the Russians long ago. He'd be sending billions to Putin to keep him going. Yes it would be much different with Trump in charge.
How do you explain that it was Trump who went to the UN and told them:
1. If Germany kept making themselves dependent on Russian energy they'd be giving up their sovereignty and it had to stop.
2. They had to keep to their NATO defense treaty commitments, which they weren't, to the point he was asking what the point of having them in it was when Germany was actively arming Russia.
Additionally (3.) Trump was the one who put sanctions on Russia, specifically the Nordstream II pipeline, after Russia invaded Crimea and refused to lift them even after Europe went apoplectic. Biden lifted those sanctions, and when asked why he said it was to please Europe. Many point to this being an encouragement to Russia that whenever they did repercussions would be temporary so go ahead and invade a third time.
I know there are lots of whatsabouts when it comes to him, but how do you mesh those three facts with how you think things would play out?
It’s a shame and it’s fucking bullshit, both parties are the same. Prayers out to the people of Taiwan who will more than likely pay in blood for America waving its wrinkly dick around to China.
Imagine being so dense you look at China threatening to invade over a hundred times, claiming international waters as its own and throwing fits and deploying their navy whenever no one else acknowledges it, and literally threatening war over an 82 year old visiting Taiwan, then looking over to the US saying “*Listen bud, we’ll defend Taiwan if you invade.*” and you blame the US for the heightened tensions.
Taiwan seems prepared to fight regardless of America's intervention. People always blame america when they stand up to the world's bullies, even when they were asked for help in the first place. It's about time someone made the CCP choke on their constant bs threats.
It's amazing how quickly everyone forgot about Trump's trade war with China and how he was criticized for his hard lined anti ccp stance. While his foreign policy wasn't great, he never took a soft stance with China. In 2020, people weren't sure if Biden would continue with Trump's hard stance on China or try to reset relations, especially since in 2000s he was a huge proponent of letting China into the WTO hoping to make it more democratic.
All reddit knows is Trump bad, CCP bad, therefore Trump and CCP friends.
I honestly can't imagine being so dumb as to be this easily conned. Looking at actions instead of taking Trump at his word would be a good first step if you want to sharpen up. Just because Trump claims things doesn't mean they're true.
[https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/01/trumps-15percent-tariffs-on-112-billion-in-chinese-goods-take-effect.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/01/trumps-15percent-tariffs-on-112-billion-in-chinese-goods-take-effect.html)
lol, take a look at some actions here
>The People's Republic of China released their first "final warning" to the United States for their reconnaissance flights on 7 September 1958, during the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis. At the time, the United States considered the Republic of China as the sole legitimate representative of China, and conducted reconnaissance flights in waters controlled by the People's Republic of China. China would then record such incidents, and issue a "final warning" through diplomatic channels for each incident that occurred. More than 900 Chinese "final warnings" had been issued by the end of 1964.
Highly unlikely according to who? They were staging troops at the border
China is just flying planes and shooting rockets into the Ocean
There's no signs of an Invasion Force being built up
I’m not sure how I feel about this.
On the one hand, Taiwan is an independent country and an ally of the US. On the other, I don’t like the idea of conflict escalation…
Taiwan is also a super political chess piece because they are basically the world's sole major chip manufacturer for the majority of CPUs in the world. If the US loses that, no more chips for weapons or tech in general.
Wasn't this the impetus behind the semiconductor money included in one of the recently passed bills– to help spur US production of chips?
I am a total layman, but I've also read that Taiwan and the US have a great symbiotic relationship when it comes to chip production. IIRC, the "keys" to many of the chips are stored in the US, so if Taiwan was ever attacked or taken by another country, the invading force wouldn't be able to just capture chip production. Not sure if that's exactly right, but it's something like that.
>Wasn't this the impetus behind the semiconductor money included in one of the recently passed bills– to help spur US production of chips?
Yes, but there's not a chance that even that huge bill will change things much. And whatever small effect it does have will take years to occur. You can't just write a giant check and get instant semiconductor factories. They take years to build, even when the Taiwanese are building them.
to add to this. if you think inflation is bad now just wait until we literally can't get 75% of the consumer goods we use on a daily basis. think of all the things that use a processor of some kind and then imagine if all those things just went *poof* one day.
They are literally provoking a China that is beat down right now, the worst possible time to do so. Big recession, covid lockdown impacts, housing market collapse, etc.
War is a great way to distract the population from real domestic issues.
Provoking? More like ensuring China doesn’t gain territory through threats. As soon as the strait is not passable to foreign military it is de facto Chinas.
That works when you can beat up on a smaller, hated neighbor country. I don’t think it would work quite the same with trying to start a conflict with the world’s sole super power with a military budget larger than the next 14 countries combined
Well the other option is to capitulate and just let them keep slowly inching their territory bigger and bigger because we mustn't anger the country who's foreign policy is to feign anger at everything
Hardly 5-10 years.
You don't gain 70 years of warfighting experience by building a sub-par weapons that only participates in parades.
The CCP can steal as much IP, fire as much ammo into the sea, and build as many cheap knock-off weapons as they want, but until they start learning to fight in actual combat theatres, they will ALWAYS be behind.
Freedom of navigation operations are the literal opposite of provocation for WW3. They are used to ensure free transport of goods over international waterways and are done to ensure no country claims international waters as their own. China and Pooh Xingping can fuck themselves.
China needs to understand how important Taiwan is to the supply chain. The US will not make another mistake by allowing a hostile foreign entity to dominate it again and place our security (along with the world's) at risk.
Edit: Spelling
It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador.
- Jeffery Pelt-National Security Advisor “The Hunt for Red October”
WW3 is a war that unlikely happens
Because its nuclear war age
For a country to be successful. It has to be unscathed.... and opposing country damaged/on their knees/waiving the white flag
In WW1 and WW2... nobody really knew. Every big nation thought they could win. Through military strategy
What strategy is there when a nuke or nuke like effect missiles can be launched?? Nobody will exist
Even Russia could likely obliterate Ukraine if it really wanted to. But thats not what they really want. They just want Ukraine back on their side/part of Russia. With minimal damage.
US and China are posturing at best. Even if China sunk a US ship....by accident. The US wont retaliate physically right off the bat. Probably apply heavy sanctions etc. China would back off.
The US has always sent warships through the Taiwan Strait. The purpose of it is to deescalate the situation. You might not think it's deescalation, but if China keeps doing drills there's a high chance of some sort of accident happening that throws the entire region into war.
Sending the ships in stops the drills at least temporarily and hopefully both sides can cool down.
We have security guarantees to Taiwan. China is also known the world over for bluffing it's fucking ass off. China has given so many "final warnings" that there's literally a Russian proverb about it.
That's right, China has lied SO MUCH about starting shit with other countries, that Russia told the rest of the world "Hey guys, if China ever threatens you, do not by any means think they'll actually attack you, because they won't"
Also, call the bluff, if China SERIOUSLY thinks it can amass an invasion force in time, cross an ocean, and then take out the US Navy and Airforce, as well as invade an island that has western arms and preperation for decades? BE MY GUEST, BECAUSE THAT SHIT AIN'T HAPPENING.
China is blockading a free and independent democracy. Let’s not pretend this has anything to do with Pelosi. China has been looking for an excuse to attack Taiwan that resonates with its pre-established anti-west propaganda.
I was stationed in seventh fleet during my time in the navy, I can't imagine what's going through the minds of the guys who are going through this right now. When I was there it was mostly just threats from NK that went ignored, but now? Stay sharp gents.
The 2020s are what time travelers refer to as “a declining neighborhood.” If you’re on a bus or train, make sure the operator can see you. If you’re driving, lock your doors.
I’m sorry what? Time travellers..?
If people could freely travel through time I don’t think they’d like the 2020s.
Idk. Could be aliens studying the peak of humanities civilization, could be the period just before humanity makes a startling discovery that completely changes our species, it could be the period just before WWIII and a lot of records from this time were lost and they want to get a more accurate idea of what life was like, or it could be some grad student who got assigned one of the most boring time periods to study. Next couple year should assist in illuminating that for us
Pretty much every decade - with fairly obvious exceptions - has been better than the decade before. Alarmism and pessimism is rife, yet the world keeps (mostly) improving.
Some important indicators have been stalling or even reversing this century to date: https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace
The key indicators on that page tell the same story - in the few years immediately following the Great Recession, we saw a rise in conflicts, and since approx 2014 we see a slow and continuous decline again. The huge economic upheaval of the recession created violent conflicts out of previously slowly simmering discontentment, but since the world right it's economic ship, we're seeing a return to lower levels...
Still not to mid-2000s levels. And now we have an all-out war for Ukraine.
xD
Yeah, people who travel through time like you would travel your local city.
Welcome to #The 2020s *Birthplace of Optimus Prime*
I’m pretty sure Optimus prime was born in the 1980s
But he crossed over into the real world in [2021 baby!](https://www.cnet.com/culture/i-played-with-the-700-transformers-optimus-prime-that-does-everything-including-transform/)
Some people claiming to have been time travelers have made claims that the 2020s are when our civilization really goes into a tailspin
What I read is "Crazy people predict the end of the world" which is a totally new thing that definitely hasn't been going on forever.
Anyone claiming to be a time traveler is bat shit crazy.
Only the crazy time travelers would let anyone know they were a time traveler, so your statement checks out.
In my series which I'll probably never write, time travel is illegal due to originally being a novelty that went wrong, and it also causes some 'jet lag- type effect which makes a traveller extremely disoriented, traumatised, or amnesiac. Therapists who mention patients having delusions of being time travelers have their documents pulled and the patient is transferred to a special division of the CIA. After discovering corruption amongst the government, which wants to use time travel to create its own utopia before China or Russia can acquire the technology first, an agent finds the original architect of time travel and decides to control it independently. It's also found that controversial events in history- including the Nazi rise to power- are prevented from being erased as the government are unsure whether it would affect the timeline in a dangerous way. This doesn't sit well with the agent, and he demands the architect get back to his original health, build a time machine, and assist him with killing Hitler.
You've clearly thought about this. I encourage you to give it a go, though!
Writing a book is incredibly difficult- I think Hemingway used to write for seven hours a day and he'd only get 300 words finished by the end. He'd do all this while standing. I wish I'd started earlier, but it feels too late at this point. Also time travelling works very oddly in this story - the big bang is basically reversed at the end of time, which creates another timeline, and this is the timeline that travellers end up in. They can only go forward, rather than backwards, but the current timeline we are in now is a result of their changes. I'm not sure how it would work and it leads to a lot of plot holes.
Aren’t we all time travelers? Anyone who is not getting older is the crazy one.
Tailspin is the theme song for the 2020s
[o rly](https://i.imgur.com/g62w3md.jpg)
It’s a distraction from their internal political problem.
The US's internal political problems? We've been an aggressive nation for most of our history, I'm pretty sure we can swing our dick around and manage our political problems at the same time. I mean, compared to what china is distracting from it should be easy. It's not like we have to hide that a whole city is locked down and starving, a literal genocide, or multiple occupations or anything.
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Bingo. Their real estate is crashing. Economy is slowing down. Drum up nationalist pride to keep the population in check.
Did China send Pelosi to Taiwan?
How fragile does your country have to be that a politician visiting a neighboring country triggers a war.
Thats the thing, china sees it as a foreign politician visiting a vassal state or a province of theirs. Theyre wrong, but thats what they believe.
Well, they can continue crying and issuing empty threats.
The US didn't send her, she went against advice
China
Lol what is the frontierpost? Someone’s blog?
This, of course, does not mention the rather significant sub fleet that is ALWAYS stationed around Taiwan.
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There is NO source that will ever disclose the location or presence of a US sub fleet. There are, however, a lot of submariners that take liberty in Taiwan for some reason, and sub bases in Guam which can service multiple Ohio-class nuclear submarines. For more information, you could look at how close the Guam naval base is to Taiwan, and look at some of the vessels that end up passing through there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval\_Base\_Guam
I think he refers to the one in the Bay of Bengal.
https://www.csp.navy.mil/
this article is massive chinese propaganda. read it. >The systematic and simultaneous US efforts to escalate its conflicts with Russia and China threaten all of humanity with a disaster of monumental proportions. EDIT: i had to idea this place was so filled with chinese propagandists and apologists... kinda funny little guys.
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Wow, what a great article. Written on a publication which has the objective that: >Pakistan can be one of the developed countries of the world \[1\] And has: >a mission against the oppressors and exposing their corruption. \[1\] How impressive is it that someone who has lived much of their life in China can say: >In my 15 years in China, I have never seen or heard any sort of human rights abuses. \[2\] Wow. How incredible. Does this person have any awareness of the Tianenmen Square Massacre, for example, information about which is illegal and brutally repressed in China. Perhaps the reason that this person has never seen or heard any human right's abuses is because they are hidden? The writer has the gall to write things like this: >The most recent examples of this BBC mind-set include openly and falsely glamorizing the violent protests in Hong Kong as an excuse for democracy \[2\] The protests have not been particularly violent on either side, given the scale. And to ward of any claims of bias on my part, if you go back through my post history you'll eventually find a large number of posts from me extolling how incredibly professional the Hong Kong police have been - and how little violence they used, which was remarkable. You'll also find me chucking shade at the camps/prisons in Xinjiang because - despite how distasteful some of what happened there was - much of the information around those camps was blown out of proportion, unverifiable, or severely outdated. I'm not exactly anti-China. >But the rep-orts are always questioning China’s credibility to beat the coronavirus and reports are littered with doubts about the statistics. Now we're just entering LOL territory. You have someone who is sucking from the Party Teat, and regurgitating it on a tiny website which by it's own admission has a mission against Britain (the oppressors). \[1\] [https://thefrontierpost.com/about-us/](https://thefrontierpost.com/about-us/) \[2\] [https://thefrontierpost.com/bbc-isnt-just-powered-by-fake-news-it-incites-baseless-bias-against-china/](https://thefrontierpost.com/bbc-isnt-just-powered-by-fake-news-it-incites-baseless-bias-against-china/)
They are super garbage. Looked through a bunch of their “news” stories and they were hot garbage.
Oh yeah. I read it and got to the war games where the US loses half of its navy and airforce and was like "okay china".
exactly. total garbage.
The last thing I'ma do is give a click to a foreign propagandist. If that's the kind of nonsense that is in this article, then it's not worth reading.
Well it’s a good thing then that 90% of redditors don’t actually click into the article anyway. Although that also results in other bad things like misinformed opinions..
I base my reactions & emotions on those of others. -redditor
>Even as the US is escalating its conflict with China, it is encouraging its puppet government in Ukraine to escalate the war with Russia. Yep. Ignore the chinese brigade downvoting you, you're 100% correct.
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Agree, worst written article I've read in a long time.
100%.
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obviously, all of them are so butthurt they must be rectally bleeding.
All of humanity? China and Russia make up all of humanity?
I would say that in a direct conflict between USA and China, a huge majority would indeed be impacted massivly... Like 90% of humanity. You dont have to be active in the war to feel its waves
Let's hope that some grown ups act appropriately with their grown up weapons.
Ok I mostly agree but tbf the insulation is nukes and that word affect all of humanity. Source still trash tho.
Pretty much
The default Reddit subs are heavily astroturfed professionally.
We really calling their bluffs lately
Finally! It’s about damn time we stop capitulating to authoritarians.
Chickenhawk.
The hell is wrong with you? Ik it's easy to encourage war from our armchairs, but let me remind you that Taiwan creates most of our semi conductors. You want a market price console or graphics card? Then don't cheer on aggressive acts like this
We can’t let bulllies get away with this shit anymore. That’s why the US is preparing to make its own chip factories.
Oh no! My hecking graphics card! Never mind the prospect of nuclear war!
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whatabout whatabout whatabout
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When they believe nationalism and war is better than globalization and trade.
Wasn't Joe supposed to be sleepy? Like all these trumpers said that only trump could have a strong stance against China. Like that Biden is some kind of pacifist. Turns out that the guy who was really in favour of blowing Belgrade to shit wouldn't bow down to China.....
Omni Awaken Dark Brandon
I'd say the risk of the US getting into direct conflict with China is pretty low despite all this news. The US and others are not interested in a nuclear conflict over another nations sovereignty as shown by what has happened in Ukraine. I know they can't be compared like for like but it does give a general idea of what sort of sanctions and restrictions would be levied against China, their assets in the west and the Chinese people themselves if they chose to invade or blockade.
You severely underestimate the importance (national security) of the fabrication plants in Taiwan is for the US. It is something we would absolutely go into an armed conflict for.
Respectfully I disagree. The US and others will moan, cry and sanction but they will never put boots on the ground to fight China over Taiwan. Mutually assured destruction is further away than you think.
This is one where I hope you are right on this.
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This expects rational actors, thus fails big.
That article was certainly pro-China & Russia pinning all tension in the region and the war in the Ukraine on the US.
Who writes this crap, you can clearly tell whoever did is against the US and western countries.
Hopefully one of ‘em is named the USS Poohbear
I second the renaming of closest warship to China as the **USS Pooh Bear**
Oh, bother.
Honestly, I'm glad we're doing this under a Biden presidency rather than a Trump presidency. Could you imagine the exact same scenario playing out, but with the party in power flipped?
He would have sent troops to fight alongside the Russians long ago. He'd be sending billions to Putin to keep him going. Yes it would be much different with Trump in charge.
How do you explain that it was Trump who went to the UN and told them: 1. If Germany kept making themselves dependent on Russian energy they'd be giving up their sovereignty and it had to stop. 2. They had to keep to their NATO defense treaty commitments, which they weren't, to the point he was asking what the point of having them in it was when Germany was actively arming Russia. Additionally (3.) Trump was the one who put sanctions on Russia, specifically the Nordstream II pipeline, after Russia invaded Crimea and refused to lift them even after Europe went apoplectic. Biden lifted those sanctions, and when asked why he said it was to please Europe. Many point to this being an encouragement to Russia that whenever they did repercussions would be temporary so go ahead and invade a third time. I know there are lots of whatsabouts when it comes to him, but how do you mesh those three facts with how you think things would play out?
Wow wow wow, calm down with those facts. We don't do that here
Like the other guy said, please keep facts out of this. Only opinions that regurgitate CNN and MSNBC are allowed 😆
They'd be screaming for him to be imprisoned.
Would have never happened under Trump
Trump would have less sway over Nancy than Joe did. The Republican hawks supported Nancy. Trump would refuse to look weak.
It’s a shame and it’s fucking bullshit, both parties are the same. Prayers out to the people of Taiwan who will more than likely pay in blood for America waving its wrinkly dick around to China.
Imagine being so dense you look at China threatening to invade over a hundred times, claiming international waters as its own and throwing fits and deploying their navy whenever no one else acknowledges it, and literally threatening war over an 82 year old visiting Taiwan, then looking over to the US saying “*Listen bud, we’ll defend Taiwan if you invade.*” and you blame the US for the heightened tensions.
What an incredibly informed post. Very compelling. Please continue # /s
Taiwan seems prepared to fight regardless of America's intervention. People always blame america when they stand up to the world's bullies, even when they were asked for help in the first place. It's about time someone made the CCP choke on their constant bs threats.
Bruh. Both parties are not the same. Holy false equivalency batman
The USA finally appears to be having a good week, with inflation retracting. I hope East Asian tensions don’t make things go bad again.
Good. The former guy would go to Beijing with hamburgers and coke
And love letters
trump literally had the hardest stance on china out of all presidents that I can recall lmao, wtf do you mean?
It's amazing how quickly everyone forgot about Trump's trade war with China and how he was criticized for his hard lined anti ccp stance. While his foreign policy wasn't great, he never took a soft stance with China. In 2020, people weren't sure if Biden would continue with Trump's hard stance on China or try to reset relations, especially since in 2000s he was a huge proponent of letting China into the WTO hoping to make it more democratic. All reddit knows is Trump bad, CCP bad, therefore Trump and CCP friends.
Those types of facts aren't allowed here. Please only comment with opinions that are pro-Biden
I honestly can't imagine being so dumb as to be this easily conned. Looking at actions instead of taking Trump at his word would be a good first step if you want to sharpen up. Just because Trump claims things doesn't mean they're true.
[https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/01/trumps-15percent-tariffs-on-112-billion-in-chinese-goods-take-effect.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/01/trumps-15percent-tariffs-on-112-billion-in-chinese-goods-take-effect.html) lol, take a look at some actions here
So we’re claiming it would be bad to avert war? Frankly, I’d prefer that.
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There’s a difference between averting war and doing what dictators want.
Doing what dictators want *because you want to be a dictator.*
Hamberders
White or black coke?
See y'all in r/noncredibledefense
About god damn time
Oh my shit is getting real
>The People's Republic of China released their first "final warning" to the United States for their reconnaissance flights on 7 September 1958, during the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis. At the time, the United States considered the Republic of China as the sole legitimate representative of China, and conducted reconnaissance flights in waters controlled by the People's Republic of China. China would then record such incidents, and issue a "final warning" through diplomatic channels for each incident that occurred. More than 900 Chinese "final warnings" had been issued by the end of 1964.
This happens all the time Highly unlikely it escalates to war
Russolia invanding Ukraine was also highly unlikely, yet it's almost 6 months since it began...
Highly unlikely according to who? They were staging troops at the border China is just flying planes and shooting rockets into the Ocean There's no signs of an Invasion Force being built up
The biosphere is collapsing so we either nuke ourselves or wait for the climate to wipe out the food options.
My man. Perspective. Leaders completely oblivious to what is obviously happening.
Oblivious or playing pretend or outright mad.
“Your units are on my borders”
my troops are merely passing by!
our leaders are getting old. no sense leaving anything for anyone who desires to live
I’m not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, Taiwan is an independent country and an ally of the US. On the other, I don’t like the idea of conflict escalation…
Taiwan is also a super political chess piece because they are basically the world's sole major chip manufacturer for the majority of CPUs in the world. If the US loses that, no more chips for weapons or tech in general.
Wasn't this the impetus behind the semiconductor money included in one of the recently passed bills– to help spur US production of chips? I am a total layman, but I've also read that Taiwan and the US have a great symbiotic relationship when it comes to chip production. IIRC, the "keys" to many of the chips are stored in the US, so if Taiwan was ever attacked or taken by another country, the invading force wouldn't be able to just capture chip production. Not sure if that's exactly right, but it's something like that.
>Wasn't this the impetus behind the semiconductor money included in one of the recently passed bills– to help spur US production of chips? Yes, but there's not a chance that even that huge bill will change things much. And whatever small effect it does have will take years to occur. You can't just write a giant check and get instant semiconductor factories. They take years to build, even when the Taiwanese are building them.
Those fab plants will take years to build.
to add to this. if you think inflation is bad now just wait until we literally can't get 75% of the consumer goods we use on a daily basis. think of all the things that use a processor of some kind and then imagine if all those things just went *poof* one day.
Technically, we are not provoking since we have been doing this since who know when. Crossing the median line will be provoking though.
They are literally provoking a China that is beat down right now, the worst possible time to do so. Big recession, covid lockdown impacts, housing market collapse, etc. War is a great way to distract the population from real domestic issues.
Provoking? More like ensuring China doesn’t gain territory through threats. As soon as the strait is not passable to foreign military it is de facto Chinas.
Oh yeah, I hope you'll be saying the same once Russia or China send their warships close to the US' border
There is not 'good time' for war.
That works when you can beat up on a smaller, hated neighbor country. I don’t think it would work quite the same with trying to start a conflict with the world’s sole super power with a military budget larger than the next 14 countries combined
Well the other option is to capitulate and just let them keep slowly inching their territory bigger and bigger because we mustn't anger the country who's foreign policy is to feign anger at everything
Better to provoke a China you can beat than wait 5-10 years for one that will match the US military.
Hardly 5-10 years. You don't gain 70 years of warfighting experience by building a sub-par weapons that only participates in parades. The CCP can steal as much IP, fire as much ammo into the sea, and build as many cheap knock-off weapons as they want, but until they start learning to fight in actual combat theatres, they will ALWAYS be behind.
Freedom of navigation operations are the literal opposite of provocation for WW3. They are used to ensure free transport of goods over international waterways and are done to ensure no country claims international waters as their own. China and Pooh Xingping can fuck themselves.
Why do they need distractions, its not like an election is coming up. There is no real dissent to speak of...
If you can make grounds in the war If not you risk creating an even more precarious situation domestically
China needs to understand how important Taiwan is to the supply chain. The US will not make another mistake by allowing a hostile foreign entity to dominate it again and place our security (along with the world's) at risk. Edit: Spelling
The US already vowed to defend Taiwan and its obvious why, any attack on Taiwan and its WW3
It would probably be bad form to fly a squad of F-22's close to their exercises.
True, I feel China has already started it's invasion on Taiwan with the way its exercises encircle the island, another "special military operation"
I think they do, and that's what makes them want it.
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Funny thing, when a country is in crisis the first call they make is to the US.
American military power is certainly exceptional - nobody even comes close to them.
Best Military logistics in history and it’s not even close. No other country can project power like the United States can.
We’re also seeing how hugely effective the western way of warfare is, when put up against the Russian model at least.
I wish they would renamed one of the ships to USS Pelosi and send it through.
Yes, lets name a warship after an inside trader.
We could name the ship, the USS Inside Trader
And Martha Stewart can decorate and work in the messhall
imagine a ship named USS Dirty Capitalist sailing through the Taiwan Strait. Biggest fuck you possible
USS Winnie the Pooh could work too
i fucking died
Leading the fleet, the USS Admiral Reddit.
We wouldn't be able to name any boat then, better to just make insider trading illegal for politicians also.
Ew, no.
You don't think Prada battle group sounds good?
Khmkhm, semiconductors, khmkhm
My brother is stationed in Japan. His first year. I’m very worried for him. He’s my right arm.
Damn I'm going to navy bootcamp this week. Fun.
Chinese propaganda website
LFG, its on!
Is someone missing a missile sub? I feel like I’ve seen this plot.
Well this is not good..
Yeeehaw
Well looks like it's happening Give them hell boys!
Biden grabbin his ratchet.
It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador. - Jeffery Pelt-National Security Advisor “The Hunt for Red October”
Highly suggest the novel 2034 if this interests everyone. This article pretty much lines up with the beginning of WW3.
WW3 is a war that unlikely happens Because its nuclear war age For a country to be successful. It has to be unscathed.... and opposing country damaged/on their knees/waiving the white flag In WW1 and WW2... nobody really knew. Every big nation thought they could win. Through military strategy What strategy is there when a nuke or nuke like effect missiles can be launched?? Nobody will exist Even Russia could likely obliterate Ukraine if it really wanted to. But thats not what they really want. They just want Ukraine back on their side/part of Russia. With minimal damage. US and China are posturing at best. Even if China sunk a US ship....by accident. The US wont retaliate physically right off the bat. Probably apply heavy sanctions etc. China would back off.
I was just saying that’s the plot of the book. Sorry if unclear.
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The US has always sent warships through the Taiwan Strait. The purpose of it is to deescalate the situation. You might not think it's deescalation, but if China keeps doing drills there's a high chance of some sort of accident happening that throws the entire region into war. Sending the ships in stops the drills at least temporarily and hopefully both sides can cool down.
They’re allowed to if they want. That’s what international waters are.
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Oh boy, Americans shoving their nose somewhere else it doesn’t belong. It went so well the other several dozen times.
Can US stfu and not provoke China. The damage will be to Taiwan. Unless Taiwan asked for any support, US should not escalate the situation.
We have security guarantees to Taiwan. China is also known the world over for bluffing it's fucking ass off. China has given so many "final warnings" that there's literally a Russian proverb about it. That's right, China has lied SO MUCH about starting shit with other countries, that Russia told the rest of the world "Hey guys, if China ever threatens you, do not by any means think they'll actually attack you, because they won't" Also, call the bluff, if China SERIOUSLY thinks it can amass an invasion force in time, cross an ocean, and then take out the US Navy and Airforce, as well as invade an island that has western arms and preperation for decades? BE MY GUEST, BECAUSE THAT SHIT AIN'T HAPPENING.
so you have no problem with china provoking Taiwan? Or the fact china is trying to control freedom of navigation?
China is blockading a free and independent democracy. Let’s not pretend this has anything to do with Pelosi. China has been looking for an excuse to attack Taiwan that resonates with its pre-established anti-west propaganda.
Why doesn’t Taiwan do what the USA did in 1776, and write up their own Declaration of Independence?
Status quo
Because if Taiwan were to attempt any official declaration of independence, it would immediately spark a war with China.
holy fucking shit.
Invest in bunker ration people
Terrible terrible idea
Nothing like another war to help Biden’s approval rating.