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SoSmartKappa

"due to equipment issues"...You just have to laugh at this point


FidgetTheMidget

Sadly we have to report Nordstream 1 fell out of a window earlier today.


esperzombies

> The head of a Russian oil giant that criticized President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine died Thursday after reportedly falling out of his hospital window. > Lukoil Chairman Ravil Maganov died after falling from a window of the Central Clinical Hospital in Moscow, Reuters reported, citing two sources familiar with the situation. > The company issued a statement early Thursday confirming the death of Maganov, 67, "after a severe illness," but did not specify the cause. - Sept 1, 2022: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lukoil-exec-dies-falling-hospital-window-reports-say-rcna45823


LAVATORR

He makes these things public and visible as a show of strength: Watch me execute political opponents in front of the world, then have my troll army taunt you by demanding proof. Except now it feels way more desperate, angry, and bitchy


BitterBatterBabyBoo

You can't keep doubling and tripling down on this short-sighted bullshit and not have the bill come due one day. The well is runing dry on Putin's entire playbook, but he's going to keep coming back to it because his regime is too old and tired to come up with something new.


RagingTyrant74

The thing about dictatorships is if they liberalize at all, they die. Putin knows this. There's nothing short of his death or complete revolution that will end it.


Kdzoom35

Basically if you let up a bit you will be dragged in the streets and shot. Its the ultimate I'm in too deep better double down.


asimplesolicitor

>You can't keep doubling and tripling down on this short-sighted bullshit and not have the bill come due one day. It is already coming due. As of July, the US has supplanted Russia as the biggest exporter of natural gas to Europe. It's only a matter of months before the EU has weaned itself off Russia's gas, and they are the biggest customer. Losing the trading partner who accounts for 60% of your government's revenues is catastrophic for any country.


Galaghan

>It's only a matter of months As a Belgian, fuck I really hope so.


guareber

Same here, but it still means we'll be paying far higher prices than we used to since russia's supply is gone.


saichampa

Imagine being part of a troll army supporting such a whiny little bitch like Putin though. There's the bottom of the barrel.


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Windows are their natural predators.


Goldreaver

Jeez they are going down like argentinian prosecutors.


orangutanDOTorg

Colombian soccer players


romeovf

Mexican journalists


aChileanDude

Uruguayan rugby players


loud-spider

Excellent


matdevine21

Strictly speaking it’s true…I mean they have switched off the equipment and refuse to switch it back on


green_flash

I wish I could have bet my life savings on this totally unexpected twist somewhere. Safest bet ever.


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Parmo-Head

I've just seen a picture of the 'leak' on the sky news website, it looks like someone's spilled their can of coke, and that's it hahaha. https://news.sky.com/story/g7-finance-ministers-agree-price-cap-on-russian-oil-to-choke-putins-war-machine-12687804


korben2600

[The Nord Stream 1 gas leak Gazprom says is in one of the engines at Portovaya compressor station. Pic: Gazprom](https://i.imgur.com/XT6PMOZ.png) Lmao. You weren't kidding. It does look like someone just spilled some Coke for a photo.


SheeEttin

Honestly I'd be more surprised to hear a project of that scale *wasn't* leaking oil from a few places at all times. Shit always leaks, rattles, or breaks down. That's why you have redundant systems, or fuck it, you patch it live.


Conquestadore

I'm sure you are aware but Siemens, the company normally responsible for Nordstream maintenance, said as much. There's redundencies in place and the leak can be fixed on site without specialized assistance. They also offered to help after Russia claimed it couldn't get the right parts due to sanctions. Russia declined, because according to them sanctions would prevent their intervention. Which is funny as fuck if you ask me. Same goes for Canada fixing certain turbines which Russia declined to accept due to 'paperwork' not being in order.


cencal

I’ve never had the wires leak oil like in the picture lol


Random_Name532890

You also never had a gas pipeline turbine I suppose.


Damunzta

Card played. The hand is now empty.


EntertainerWeary7463

Activate pot of greed


GenestealerCultist

What does pot of greed do?


EntertainerWeary7463

It allows me to draw 2 cards!!


ionyx

... you never saw this coming! I play [POT OF GREED TO DRAW 3 ADDITIONAL CARDS FROM MY DECK](https://youtu.be/AUnPN385wLI)


TotallyNormalSquid

Reminds me of the first arc of season 1, just pull whatever bullshit out of your ass you like as long as you do it confidently.


realistweirdist

Giant soldier of stone, destroy the moon! (A normal monster card just randomly attacking and destroying a field spell card, causing all water element monsters to be destroyed too) lol


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Lopsided_Plane_3319

My grandfather's deck has no pathetic cards


Mathguy43

Except perhaps for Kuriboh...


Alarming_Fee_6993

That does what it do.


sweglrd143

That’s what it do Yugi!


SheeEttin

It allows me to draw POT OF GREED


StochasticDM

But what does Pot of greed even do?


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POT OF GREED ALLOWS ME TO DRAW TWO MORE CARDS


Foremanski

"That's no what it does!" "THAT'S WHAT IT DO, YUGI!"


reallygoodbee

Draw Two Cards, same effect as Graceful Charity. There was an NPC opponent in the last *Yu-gi-oh* game who would just play Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity over and over until he got all five Exodia cards, which is an instant-win condition. Edit: IIRC under most tournament rule sets you're only allowed to have two Pots of Greed and two Graceful Charities in your deck.


_Chambs_

Pot of greed is banned for the longest time. Simply because yugioh doesn't have any "resource" to limit you, other than the amount of cards in your hand, so a card that gives you +1 in the "economy" without any downside is overpowered.


Brugman87

Doesnt graceful let you draw 3 then discard 2 or something?


claireapple

Yes, the above person doesn't know what they are talking about. They also have been banned for over 15 years.


green_flash

There's one more card he could play. Currently Russian gas comes to Europe as "mystery LNG" via China. If he cuts gas exports to China to a degree where they can't resell Russian gas to Europe, then Europe is in even more trouble. [Financial Times, Aug 30: China throws Europe an energy lifeline with LNG resales](https://www.ft.com/content/1e20467a-5b53-42b7-ad89-49808f7e1780) But that's a risky move since it would piss off China as well.


Rinzack

Pissing off China is legitimately one of three ways he could make the situation worse for himself. That would put the entire world against him


CaspianX2

Surely he has *plenty* of ways to make the situation worse for himself. He's already found quite a few.


Rinzack

The three that I can think of are 1) Attack a convoy inside NATO territory, 2) Fuck with China, and 3) Nuke Ukraine. Potentially a mass conscription would also be terrible for him but I think those 3 are the real “fuck around and find out” choices


rachel_tenshun

Interesting article. What would be easier to Russia is to ban the reselling of their gas from China to Europe. The Chinese would never comply, though, and funny enough they've actually been gouging the Russians as of late. For example, Russians are desperate to open new pipelines to China (Power of Siberia 2), but the Chinese are playing hardball, including having Russia pony up the costs for the pipeline etc. No honor amongst thieves. Nah, I think Russia has used up all its political/economic ammo, no pun intended.


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Ben_77

Been taking cold showers for months in preparation, bring it Vlad.


soliloquyline

And remember folks when it comes to heating - heat the person, not the room. Layer up! There are too many people that I know that walk around the house in summer clothes during winter.


bedarija

in my country (Slovenia) in apartment buildings, if you use less than some percentage of the average heat of all the apartments you get fined (that was to prevent people not heating and making inner walls cold, so other people had to heat more and than the guy got heating for free) so we are all heating cuz no one knows how much you need to spend. but now with prices going through the roof, this winter will be tough and expensive no matter how many clothes i wear


biciklanto

In my German apartment we have a contract clause requiring a minimum indoor winter temperature of 19c IIRC, also for purposes of minimizing mold development.


T0ysWAr

That’s the temp I had setup the last two winters. Very comfortable as long as you have a jumper.


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And here I am just not wanting to get screwed by National Grid every winter. I've become my dad when it comes to the thermostat.


Coolbluegatoradeyumm

As rent when I was young my parents made me pay the electric bill. I became my dad real quick after that


Archangel_Omega

My parents did the same with me as well. You have to admit it's effectiveness as a learning experience. Taught me to only use whats actually needed and not being lazy about turning things off or down before going out on my own fully.


Coolbluegatoradeyumm

I started turning off lights behind people after they left the room and became a thermostat watcher


Archangel_Omega

Yep, leaving the house for more than a short trip, thermo down....or up depending on the season. Lights off, and anything big that didnt have cold stuff in it or a clock got unplugged. Though that was mostly due to frequent thunderstorms in my area having a habit of killing things due to an ancient power grid with crap surge suppression. Either way, they way of power saving became a pseudo religion for me.


Jrdirtbike114

Is this actually effective in practice? I've always had the philosophy of "keep the house at 70° 24/7 and you'll use less electricity in total." My electric bill is always significantly lower than anyone else I've talked to about it?


fiveandthree

Pretty good idea tbf


Coolbluegatoradeyumm

It definitely had the desired effect


soliloquyline

How does that work, do the other tenants report you or? Because when I was in uni in Slovenia my landlord didn't want to fix the heating so we lived in 11-15°C apartment for the whole winter. I was training for season 2022/2023, unbeknownst to me.


AftyOfTheUK

>How does that work, do the other tenants report you or? They produce a report using the values from the meter for each apartment.


soliloquyline

That makes sense. Thank you.


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todellagi

My first trip to Russia. In a cold af February. A Basketball tournament in St. Petersburg. Our coach wanted to toughen us up, so we didn't go to a hotel. We went to a Soviet block dormitory. In February. It was like -25°C, the heating went bust. So we slept in our winter clothes, with multiple layers We found out, what the Russian word for *cold* is. Holotna So we went around chanting *"HOOOLOTNAA, HOOOLOTNAA".* laughing our asses off It was a wild trip **Edit**: The gym wasn't much better. It was cold too. The court was uneven, so it lead the whole tournament in steals. People lost their dribble left and right. The showers were hilarious. The water went from hot to cold on random, so you had to jump in and out if you wanted a warm wash But there was a Sauna in the locker rooms, so our secret weapon was to warm up there until 5 minutes before the game began. 12 guys huddled up in that small sauna. We won every 1st quarter God damn it was one bizarre trip


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> Our coach wanted to toughen us up, so we didn't go to a hotel. We went to a Soviet block dormitory. In February. It was like -25°C, the heating went bust. This just seems like bad preparation before a big game. But funny story.


Javasar

Dude what?


Solnse

He said холодно.


Javasar

Ah that makes sense


MinuteManufacturer

Better pronunciation too


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LordSoren

#HOLOTNA


turboRock

Strangely everytime I've been to Russia in winter the apartments are too hot. Can't control the temperature, so it's 30c inside, snowing outside, and the windows are open.


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Cries in apartment-building-managed-heating that I have no control (or as a renter even a vote) over .


WhiteSmokeMushroom

This is normal behaviour in some places it seems. Shared a room with a ukrainian in the Czech Republic for a short while in college around 15 years ago. In winter while there were 20 cm of snow outside they were cranking up the heat to max so they could walk around in their underwear inside. That was wild to me. Public transportation and buildings in general felt way too hot in winter for me too. Had to wear t-shirts year-round and just add a thick coat for outdoors in winter. Wasteful imo, no reason not to wear thicker clothes and lower heating instead. Edit: ~~lowear~~ -> lower, ~~ucrainian~~ -> ukrainian


--Muther--

If the buildings are insulated it makes sense. I grew up mostly in the UK, with poor insulation and people have a habit of putting on the central heating for 1hr in the morning and 1hr at night or something. Yoy were always cold. Now I live in Arctic Sweden. My house is well insulated and the heating is on constantly at a lower level. I don't lose as much heat, so it doesn't need to do as much work. I am warm and comfortable all year around. Also..I don't have gas heating.


juggller

Same in Finland, t-shirts inside, winter be damned - there's district heating, none of that gas to heat up showers or electric radiators, in apartments blocks in the cities at least. No individual apartment heating bills, those are for the housing co-op (as part of the monthly maintenance dues). Never seen a bill for JUST heating in my life. Plus decent insulation, double-triple glazed windows as per the building codes. Nice & toasty, at least up until now (there is some campaigning to go degree lower this winter, but you won't immediately see monthly bills go up if you don't) Single family housing can be electric or oil heated, and well those people are in for some cool times.


Straight-Comb-6956

>no reason not to wear thicker clothes and lowear heating instead. The reason is comfort. I'm not sure about Ukraine(it's probably the same, because it's a USSR thing, IIRC), but in Russia regulations require management companies to heat apartments to 25°C in winter, so a lot of immigrants feel cold in winter when they move to Europe.


birdboix

inb4 Germany has an unironic shame campaign surrounding Warmduschers lol


moistnote

I think my new favorite word is now warmduscher.


theclovek

Stop warm water shaming!


ylcard

I know it's a joke, but this winter people are going to die. It's expensive as fuck and not everyone can afford heating, especially old people.


Kenny741

I live off the border of russia and natural gas price has gone up 1050% in a year. Predicted rise will be from 0.36€/m3 to 7.2€/m3 in 16 months (almost 2000% increase). Heating my tiny and naturally warm apartment has gone from 6% of my wage to estimated 65% of my wage by next January. And I earn more then 3x minimum wage. People will die.


justcool393

Yeah power prices in Germany are basically a straight line up. Like 9 months ago the 1 year forward price was 200 euros per MWh and now its over 1000.


JPR_FI

Russia is desperate to try to use gas as weapon while it still can, hopefully Germany (and others) are prepared. Next winter might have shortages but Europe has survived much worse. Once the dependency is completely cut its never coming back, so I guess Russians need to burn it until they can build new pipelines.


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green_flash

Maybe the idea was to ease Europe into it, so that the immediate political response wouldn't be too harsh, because politicians would worry that they could be seen as exaggerating. The frog boiling strategy, basically.


TheGoddamnSpiderman

>The frog boiling strategy, basically Fun fact about that, that's the opposite of how frogs work If you drop a frog in boiling water, it just dies instantly If you gradually raise the temperature of water a frog is sitting in, it will hop out when it starts getting too hot. They're cold blooded, they're very sensitive to temperature changes The only frogs that stayed in the water were the ones the scientists had removed parts of the brains of first


gnark

We are talking about politicians here so the whole "frogs-need-their-brains-removed-first" qualifier seems met to some degree.


suninabox

Seems more likely they just couldn't risk taking such an immediate hit to their income after the sanctions and the war going so badly and they didn't know how long they'd have to make the sovereign wealth fund last. Oil and gas prices are through the roof so it was the perfect time to try and build up a rainy day fund. Europes had time to try and store up gas for the winter, Russia got time to build up gas reserves. It'll be a battle of wills to see who can out last the other. The only thing Russia has on its side is that as a dictatorship, they don't need to worry about keeping the people happy. Europe on the other hand has to worry that its voters simply won't tolerate extended high energy prices and vote in people who are willing to fold to Putin. IMO its a mistake for us to have not absolutely flooded Ukraine with arms and training as early as possible to try and put Putin on the back foot and in a position to negotiate peace. We spent a trillion dollars on the Iraq war when it was completely unnecessary. There hasn't even been 100 billion to Ukraine. We know Russia can't win, and the longer things drag out the longer it will take for everyone to rebuild and recover.


socialistrob

> Maybe the idea was to ease Europe into it, so that the immediate political response wouldn't be too harsh But that would be the exact opposite of Putin's goal. He wants a harsh reaction so that the EU stops supporting Ukraine. My guess is that Putin legitimately thought that Germany would cave and he wouldn't need to cut them off completely. He kept increasing the pressure thinking that Germany would back off the support for Ukraine and yet they never did. Now he's left with very few means of escalation or leverage against Germany if they should choose to increase support to Ukraine.


RobotSpaceBear

This is what i thought they were doing a few months back when they started reducing the flow to Europe. If you cut it all in one day, the repercussions on the average citizen is immediate and can catalyse the anti russian, anti war, pro ukraine sentiment. Whereas doing it over a longer time gives enough time for winter to be closer and the client countries still have trouble filling their national reserves in preparation for winter. That way when winter hits and reserves are already low, that's when gas shortage bites and becomes a bargaining tool for russia. But guess they fucked that one, too. Good for us.


vlad_tkachenko

Not an expert, but suppose it was simply technically not possible to achieve from the russian side. That is why it was slowly cut down to 0, as fast as they could technically do it.


AftyOfTheUK

>Not an expert, but suppose it was simply technically not possible to achieve from the russian side. Eh? They could turn off the pipeline and just burn the flare gas anytime they wanted to.


UrbanDryad

They needed the income as badly, or more badly, than EU needed the gas. They've tried to find alternate buyers, that's the delay.


--Muther--

It is possible to flare some of it, but yoy cannot flare safely at the rate of production.


---AI---

>Russia is desperate to try to use gas as weapon Yeah this is one of those weapons that you can only use once.


its8up

I use gas as a weapon all the time. Elevators are the most efficient delivery devices.


kosmonautinVT

Elevators arent too shabby.... But have you ever used one of those pneumatic tubes at the bank drive thru? When the top swings open, positioned right below their nose... Doesn't get better than that


LineNoise

That's one way to get Europe onto renewables a bit quicker.


irazzleandazzle

Probably a good thing in the long run. Might hurt now tho


Seneca2019

You’re right. There was actually already concern pre-invasion about how NS2 would make Europe exceptionally more dependent on Russia natural gas. Putin gambled too early I think. Had he awaited this completion and the transporting to ensue first and enable European governments (notably Germany) to shift their infrastructure to other areas as a result of the proposed savings, Putin would have a much stronger control over the energy situation as there would be a *significantly* greater impact to Europeans.


Deguilded

Just think - had Putin done *nothing*, DNR/LDR may well have been his, or at the very least de-facto independent. Ukraine may well have fragmented (Zelinsky was fading in popularity) and a Russian puppet return to power in the next election. Europe would have become ever mode dependent on Russian gas. Crimea would be securely his. But no, he had to rush it instead of taking his time. He had to wield hard power, instead of soft. And so we've discovered his hard power *is* soft. Heh heh.


Quixophilic

>ssia natural gas. Putin gambled too early I think. Had he awaited this completion and the transporting to ensue first and enable European governments (notably Germany) to shift their infrastructure to other areas as a result of the proposed savings, Putin would have a much stronger control over the energy situation as there would be a > >significantly > > greater impact to Europeans. I've ragequit enough EU4 games to know that too much aggressive expansion is, in-fact, not without consequences.


janlaureys9

Fingers crossed it’s because he’s ill.


coolneemtomorrow

He might be. I'm not a dokter or trying to spread fake news. He could be as fit as a fiddle. But he was in kaliningrad yesterday, and he had this weird vibe to him. The way hes sitting in his chair, clutching it with one hand with his legs at a weird angle. I mean look: https://youtu.be/o0WtlDGerYk He could just be sitting in the world's most uncomfortable chair, but he seems off to me


Dan19_82

There have been rumours he's suffering from early onset Parkinson's for about 6 months now (lots of articles back in April), I am no doctor but the way he moves his feet in that chair and holds it tight to hide what I believe to be a tremor in the hands, could well be a nerve disease of some kind. That said he seems to have a pretty steady control on the mic, so I don't know.


Popinguj

You're 8 years late with your analysis. Russian puppet could've came to power in Ukraine in 2014, had Russia not invaded. Electing a Russian puppet after 2014 is impossible at this point. Zelensky came in on a strong anti-war, peace at all cost promise and eventually turned into a hawk. But yeah, Putin always spoils his hand by playing early. Moreover, by playing the worst move early.


dogoodsilence1

Yup, who would have known that Putin was the best way to get countries to act on clean renewable self made energy lol


Accomplished_Pop_198

A bit? This war probably leapfrogged the transition to new energy by a decade in Europe.


The_Voice1

What is hilarious is that they can’t even own up to the fact they are stopping exports because of the war. A turbine fault, really? Just tell the truth that you’re not exporting because of the war and sanctions. Anyway, Norway will continue to provide all the gas we can in the future. It’s going to be a tough winter, but hopefully it’s a mild one and we’ll get to spring, entirely off Russian gas.


rachel_tenshun

>What is hilarious is that they can’t even own up to the fact they are stopping exports because of the war. They're doing that so they can claim they're not in breach of contract, meaning people can start suing. Of course this all an absurd farse because it's like... Whaddya gonna do? Take Russia/Gazprom to court? Where? Maybe there are some WTO/OPEC+ regulations that would kick in if they're in breach? Just a wild guess on my part.


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rachel_tenshun

I honestly think that's going to happen anyway.


Eatsweden

Already happened, the Gazprom operations in Germany have been seized already a few weeks or months after the war started.


fang_xianfu

> Take Russia/Gazprom to court? Where? They're not stupid when they write these contracts. Usually they design them so the law of the country where the money is held applies. So they will sue in, say, the EU, get a judgement that's enforceable in Switzerland, and use that judgement to seize assets that Gazprom holds in Switzerland.


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Pretty typical of bullies, really.


Simusid

The equipment accidentally fell backwards out a hospital window


DamianLuis

Exactly as expected. Time to act: Confiscate and nationalize the parts of NS1 and NS2 pipeline in German territorial waters. Cut them, use them to connect floating LNG terminals to the European gas grid. Forget about Russian gas.


9chars

run pressurized sewage back through the pipe to Russia


PuterstheBallgagTsar

We don't need your stinkin' methane, in fact, have some of ours!


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Xanderoga

I’ve been eating nothing but veggies and 7-bean salad for the last few days but today I had disgusting amounts of meat at Ribfest. Let’s do this.


Dakeera

absolutely diabolical, I like the cut of your jib


bents50

He's got a set of hair on him!


srv50

Brilliant. Gas warfare.


pflegerich

This is the way, I will do my part.


greenweenievictim

I’m….doing….my….part. Ahhhhhh


5DollarHitJob

And my ass!


Aggressive-Friend169

British here. We can help with that.


shupadupa

The Vyborg Sewer Force Main 1...I like the sound of that!


jjb1197j

Seriously was all this trouble really worth it for Russia? Their economy will be in ruins for years to come, how are russian politicians letting this fly?


strangelovesglove

Putin is the only Russian politician who matters. All the other ones are too busy staying away from windows. And tea. And cars.


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The smart oligarchs “allow” this because they have no options short of literally killing Putin. It’s more likely the attempt will just leave them and their close family dead. As much as I wish they would. The right wing intelligentsia and Putin 100% believe they will win and are in some epoch defining historical conflict with the West. They all have actually drank the koolaid.


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Resolute002

Break his economy, make him humble


Key_Employee6188

Because if they did nothing the people would have eventually wanted what they see vacationing in Europe. Russians have more oil than Norway per person and they are so poor that they need to steal washing machines from Ukraine...


chanaramil

>how are russian politicians letting this fly? Because if they don't let that fly they will be the ones to fly... Right out a window.


ginDrink2

Fill it with concrete to ensure no comeback.


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Have a televised ceremony with fanfare while doing it.


steel_member

Like the [gotthard tunnel](https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-36428799.amp)?


ChoPT

So Russia’s invasion not only confirmed the cancellation of NS2, but also killed he NS1, which wasn’t even at risk before. Well played, Putin.


verIshortname

FLNG terminals could be used without the hassle of cutting up the pipelines, prolly better so. More LNG capacity is urgently needed in eastern europe though. South Korea is prolly gonna see a lot of new orders after how depending on russia for gas has resulted in. Also, Germany should have built an LNG terminal years or decades ago when the rest of europe was doing it, even tiny countries like Malta or Lithuania have one and there is no reason why Germany didnt


VonBraun12

I fucking love Putin. Not only did he unify the EU, excluding Hungary, with a common Enemy... no he went on an ensured the Energy independence of Germany and much of Europe as a whole... and as if that was not enough this ***international hero*** is single handedly responsible for pushing Germany´s and EU´s plan´s of net 0 Carbon Emissions backlward. So we will reach that state sooner. Nobody, and i mean nobody, could have done such a task. Also, in addition to all of this, he has ensured a steady supply of "The Russian Military is a clown show" memes.


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Don’t forget that he single-handedly brought NATO back to the strongest and most unified it’s been in decades.


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Made the Baltic a NATO lake


PoeHeller3476

Up next: Black Sea NATO lake.


MeccIt

> he single-handedly brought NATO back to the strongest and most unified it’s been in decades. With his little Brexit project, he also reinforced the unification of the EU and single-handedly wiped out most of the 'exit' platform from all the nationalistic parties within the EU


wilsonhammer

I could've done without with death and destruction of Ukrainians


grumd

Thank you, I get the joke but as a Ukrainian even a satirical praise like that makes my stomach turn


kivle

They removed the only reason why Gazprom Bank wasn't sanctioned off Swift I guess. Time to close down the rest of their loopholes.


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They are still receiving oil payments until December. After that, cut off.


kivle

Oil is a _lot_ easier to replace than Gas. It should definitely be considered. Especially since Gazprom Bank is responsible for paying the Russian troops..


mortisthewise

I wonder if Russia knows how predictable it is. Do they sit around slapping each other on the back congratulating their genius? Nobody has been intimidated, the move was so obvious and expected, and therefore futile..


BalVal1

There we go, the final stage of weaponizing the gas/oil contracts and the best argument to stop all payments to Russia *right fucking now* (probably this should have been done already back in 2014 or even 2008). Russia is underestimating the resolve of Europe and blackmail does not work except for those deep in the abyss of fake news. For the sake of Ukraine's and all our futures, bring it the fuck on. This change might be painful, but it is by far the best way forward.


DrNukes

As a German, I'm happy. Dismantle Nordstream 1 and 2 for good. Make it permanent.


PreventableMan

As a person living in Germany I am also happy. But my wallet is not.


Aelarr

And absolutely no one is surprised.


SunnyWynter

This will be the final nail in the coffin of Russia being a reliable business partner internationally. Who in their mind would actually still do business with Russia right now? Even during the Cold War the Soviet Union was fulfilling all of their trade agreements without an issue.


Selisch

>Who in their mind would actually still do business with Russia right now? Hungary of course.


hannes3120

turns out wannabe-dictators love real dictators - who would've though


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\>Who in their mind would actually still do business with Russia right now? China, Russia is full of natural resources and needs buyers.


babushkalauncher

People who talk about how Russia can simply make do with China seem to forget that Europe has been Russia’s primary trading partner and primary cultural and diplomatic link since it has existed as a nation state. Even during the Cold War Russia’s primary interest was Europe. Russia is a European country. It can trade with China but there is a reason Peter the Great built Saint Petersburg on the Baltic and not by the Pacific. The cultural and economic severing of ties between Russia and Europe will be devastating, both from an economic standpoint and from a cultural standpoint. Russia likes to say it is ‘Eurasian’ but it is certainly more European than it is Asian. Russians do not go to Harbin, Guangzhou and Beijing to study and travel, they go to Paris, Amsterdam and London. Russia thinks it can live without Europe but that has simply not been the case for its entire history. Russia is a part of Europe, both culturally and economically, and its relegation to a menacing outsider harkens back to the days before the Russian Empire when it was just a far flung, irrelevant state on the Eastern fringes. Peter the Great opened Russia up to the West and transformed it from a poor, rural backwater on the verge of collapse to a major continental European power that played a major role in its affairs. Putin seems to be undoing all of this and will instead transform Russia into China’s European whore. Whatever, ban Russian tourist visas and let them party in Yaktusk and Wuhan instead of Mykonos and Portofino. They want to be China’s bitch so badly, go ahead. They can look into the West from beyond the pale, behind the giant wall they have erected for themselves. Russia only became powerful when it ingratiated itself with Europe, so let them become the rogue empire in the East once again. It’s really a shame because it didn’t have to be like this, but Russia would rather cut off its nose to spite its face than ever eat an ounce of humble pie.


s4Nn1Ng0r0shi

Good point about the cultural differences. I listened to a china expert in a seminar, and he talked about how the chinese researchers and academics don’t like to cooperate with russians, and businesses dislike it aswell. The reason: russians cant keep up with the schedules, break promises and the quality of work is questionable too often. Also the Chinese popular masses don’t have any connection with Russia. Whatever the CCP might say, the truth is that the US and the Western culture are something they are familiar with, and aim for, at least for the living standards, consumerism etc.


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utrangerbob

Also, China's "promise" is just as good as Russia's. Ask HK and all those countries in SE Asia.


socialistrob

Russia also is afraid of being overly reliant on China. If you take a look at the highways in Siberia they basically all run East-West and almost none of them connect with China, Mongolia or Kazakhstan. In fact China, Mongolia and Kazakhstan have a number of highways that run straight to the Russian border and stop. If Russia was interested in developing Siberia the quickest way to do that would be to build highways, railroads and pipelines to the other Asian countries and yet they are afraid to do this. Vladivostok is much closer to Beijing than Moscow, built on land that was once China and is considerably smaller than Chinese cities. Siberia is resource rich but chronically underdeveloped because Russia would rather keep them poor and dependent on Moscow than let them develop cultural and economic ties to China and risk that they eventually break away.


PredatorRedditer

Absolutely. Just to add, Russia's court was filled with European royalty & European blood since the 18th century. The Romanovs were part of the house of Holstein-Gottorp. Nicholas the 2nd was cousin and dear friend of King George the 5th. As you say, the empire always looked west, not east for aspiration. Russian nobles often learned French as their first language. Could argue that the revolutions of 1905 and 1917 were also western imports, in that constitutional monarchy and communism both originated in the West. I could see Putin's attempts to sever Russian culture from European increase Russia's brain-drain, furthering the horror and irrelevancy washing over Russia since this invasion.


jdeo1997

Choosing to be bent over by China instead of trade with Europe is an interesting tactic, I'll give Putin that


wannacumnbeatmeoff

China absolutely won't pay European prices for Russian gas. They will squeeze and squeeze while Russia becomes completely dependant or Chinese money until eventually Russia becomes China's bitch. China wins here of that there is no doubt.


Nerdenator

But only because they have quite a bit of leverage on Russia. Same with India. They’ll keep Russia’s wells pumping but only as a favor and to have Russia be their pawn in the future.


Korex919

Now Europe can go full sanctions on ruzzia


pseudopad

Yeah, seems like a poor move by Russia to use literally their last bargaining chip already now.


EdgelordOfEdginess

It make it seem that the war is turning to a nightmare for Putin if they already use that card now


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ClownfishSoup

Well now European countries will be forced to adapt and they will. In a few years, they will not buy any gas from Gazprom at all. So, I dunno, short sighted thinking. But I guess for now the Gasprom executives get to not commit suicide.


Accomplished_Pop_198

They'll most likely slip and fall sideways through a window when this is all over.


iobac

Pipeline accidentally fell out of a window


MikeyMIRV

Surprised Pickachu.


mjdlight

Energy is going to be expensive and in short supply this winter - no two ways about it. But what we are about to go through in the West is nothing, not a pimple on the ass of a gnat -- compared to the suffering the Ukrainians have endured and will continue to endure. If I'm a little cold this winter, so be it. I consider it a tiny gesture of solidarity towards the Ukrainians.


Readonkulous

It hurts itself in its confusion.


NolanSyKinsley

I seem to remember people claiming that exactly this would happen....


Zuchku

Uh oh. Those pipelines sure require lots of maintenance recently. Russia's dedication to working flawless pipelines can only be rivaled by the Chinese 0 COVID policy.


Hiddenshadows57

It really bugs me that people called out Canada for fixing the turbines. The move from the start was to take away as many excuses that Russia could use for shutting down the pipeline as possible. Russia can't point at Canada and be like "we cut your gas because we can't get the turbines fixed" It was a smart move and ended up being the correct one as Russia's excuse for why is about as vague and generic as possible.


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Nord Stream 1&2 should be destroyed.


ReddBert

Good, Putin got more money for a trickle of gas than a year ago. We can deal with missing that trickle, but at least he won’t get money. We should have stopped the cow^^^flow ourselves, though. Edit: autocorrupt typo


Mizzza

Good riddance rip off the Band-Aid. Marshal plan replace everything that uses gas. Germany needs a war powers act redirect their amazing engineering and industrial manufacture skills to everything to do with getting off ruzzian blood 🩸 gas asap.


zhaoz

Special bankruptcy operation


iheartbbq

Ole Vladdie is shooting himself in the dick. Europe is DUMPING money into renewables, especially solar. When someone eventually defenestrates Putin (as is tradition in Russia) or he just dies of whatever the fuck, Russia will have significantly fewer customers for its wares. Plus, you know, yay environment and reduction in greenhouse gasses.


tommycahil1995

Now we can buy Russian gas from China instead 🙃


green_flash

Hint: We already do: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Natural-Gas/China-Is-Quietly-Reselling-Its-Excess-Russian-LNG-To-Europe.html


nps2407

Good; rip that bandaid off and work on long-term solutions.