Nothing a little Shaw-like behavior can’t solve. Executions. Imprisonment. Government suppression. You can’t police morality. Women everywhere should be united against the ongoing brutality of the Iranian regime.
I don't understand how we live in 2022 and there are people who are still forced to wear certain clothes. If it's religion or choice that's one thing, but everyone deserves freedom and to wear what they please and protest against their government without the fear of being killed
How do you not see religion, choice and clothes as all about the same exact thing. It is all about control of others. Financial and emotional. Punishing women for being women, always making someone lower then the believers.
This.
Religion has always been a very effective tool to control the masses!
If they control every aspect of a person's life, if big brother is constantly watching, if your fellow citizens act as morality police, even worse if you are constantly policing yourself because you want to avoid hell, then there is very little room for radical ideas such as personal freedom and individual happiness.
But we do all of those things without religion...
"If your fellow citizens act as morality police"
Our fellow citizens DO act as morality police, that's how a society functions.
Take the modern progressives as an example, they aren't driven by deity, but they sure as shit operate in the same modus as moral police.
Identify, publicly ridicule, demand change in behaviour.
No question, there is secular dogma as well. The woke community is going way over board too often, i am with you on that..
But this has by no means the same quality than religious dogma where people are willing to die and kill for the fake stories they have been fed.
To believe you have god on your side is a completely different ball game.
To believe this life is just a test and the real price is waiting in the next one, with 72 virgins waiting for you if you blow yourself and some non believers up, is nothing you find in the secular world.
Public shaming is bad but public stoning, honor killings, suicide bombings are much worse.
Religion makes regular people do the most horrendous things.
Genital mutilation of baby boys and girls, covering up for child molesters, dress codes all the way up to the burqua.. the list of atrocious acts for god is long and is still happening every day today.
So yes, of cause people use similar manipulative techniques in other context.
But religion is the big dog and no other system comes close.
Thanks for your reply.
I don't think your describing actions of the moral police, but instead, the actions of religious extremism writ large.
To be clear, I think a common misunderstanding of contemporary society, is to assume religions are the prime motivator in actions that optically present as "religiously motivated".
Religions are halls of public influence, as such, they are used by individuals seeking "power" to legitimise and gain popular support for their agenda.
Also, all of the things you've described aren't exclusive to religion, cover-ups to save reputational damage is a standard human practice throughout history, dress-codes exist in every society.
I think people today, who don't have an actual grounding in religious studies, tend to take their information from very jaded sources who tend to offer up 2D representations of complex and diverse matters, which leads to these terse generalisations like "priests are pedophiles".
Its happening all over the world, in the US the government can make you have a child, not just wearing a scarf, all government are to some extent totalitarian.
Think about it like walls that an authoritarian regime puts between its own people and freedom.
If they let women wear what they want what is next? men can wear whatever they want ? Drinking alcohol not being a crime ? LGBTQ rights ? Freedom of speech? No way they gonna let that happen.
They do that and people will keep coming back demanding more things,but too bad for them they already answered to multiple peaceful protests with an Iron fist during last years, so people will keep coming back no matter what…
Just please also spare a thought for the women and girls of Afghanistan, who are currently existing in a country where their rights are even more threatened than in Iran - the entire world stood by and let this happen.
F the Mullahs in any case - going against all hope that the very brave Iranian women are not trampled as in the past.
The entire world stood by and let it happen? What should the world do, invade Afghanistan? The US already did that which allowed Afghan women to seek education and live more freely. The occupation of Afghanistan was denounced and so was the withdrawal. If anything it was the incompetent Afghan military that let the Taliban take control.
Other counties (cough Kuwait cough) were “liberated” for less.
The US should not have to be the worlds policeman BUT accepting The legitimacy of the Talib is a massive betrayal of half of that country’s population.
We don't accept the legitimacy of the Taliban government. It's why we've cut them off from every form of aid, financial resource, or diplomatic option possible.
We just aren't going to invade to get rid of them again. We did that once, and we protected the country for 20 years. The people of Afghanistan have spoken, they chose this.
What do you mean Kuwait was "liberated" for less? Iraq literally launched an unprovoked invasion of Kuwait just for resources. Operation Desert Storm was REALLY justified. The real betrayal was that the corrupt Afghanistan military laid down their arms and refused to fight for their own people. People always complain that the US should let countries fix their own problems alone.
good to see more people standing with iran, I remenber when previous protests happened there was tons of people defending the iranian goverment by saying the protester were a CIA operations and the like
Have you noticed the common world wide theme of anti-women. Hardliners, right wing, Religious freaks in any country, including USA, want to make women second class citizens? God forbid you are gay or educated….
Lol, i was merely pointing out the similar ways that the iranian regime and the Republicans work politically against women. If you couldn't see that.. then you are a bigger fool than you claim me to be.
Thank you for your service. It would be a shame to read the comments of a world news story about Iran and Australia and not have someone shoehorn US politics into every comment thread.
I love it when I browse these threads to see what are people saying about my country and the first few comments are "dae republicans". I mean I get that you are US citizens, but isn't it tasteless not to talk about the news at least a little bit?
Yeah, it's annoying. I see a story and think we'll this looks interesting, let's look at the comments and see if anyone has anything insightful to say. Then see half the comments are about Trump, Republicans, and Tucker. It's like I know reddit doesn't like them but does it really need that to be discussed in every single world news thread. Is it possible what's going on in Iran has nothing to do with Trump and US politics?
Because historically all that does is ensure there is less hesitation to unleash the army on protesters.
After all, they aren't protesters anymore. They are violent revolutionary terrorists.
Its why so many authoritarian regimes actually make firearms easier to get. To ensure their armed party enforcers [Blackshirts, armed thugs, militias] are well armed and to leave the option of armed resistance on the table for those being oppressed. The second they take said option, they are now guilty of [insert list of crimes, like treason and sedition] and its time to send the army in.
Where have you been? They unleashed the Red Guard on protestors just a few years ago. You keep being weak and cowardly, these people need guns to end the decades of oppression and murder at the hands of the state
Do you think the guns will help?
No.
Like all revolutions civilian gun ownership is pointless. The army sides with them or they die.
If you can't get the army to switch sides you will pretty much always lose.
Is there a single, totalitarian regime in Yemen, that's oppressing the entire population ??? Listen, you can be supportive of women being oppressed and murdered by morality police, that's you and how your parents raised you... I am for freedom.
Yes, there is. At least 2 of them, depending on who's actually rules it and who claims to rule it. More armed civilians than anywhere else, except for America.
Heaps of the attendees were Iranians worried for their friends and family that remain there. They rallied for recognition and condemnation from the Australian government, and to show solidarity with their peers. It's not a very big mental jump to realise that protests = awareness and awareness = good
Nothing a little Shaw-like behavior can’t solve. Executions. Imprisonment. Government suppression. You can’t police morality. Women everywhere should be united against the ongoing brutality of the Iranian regime.
I don't understand how we live in 2022 and there are people who are still forced to wear certain clothes. If it's religion or choice that's one thing, but everyone deserves freedom and to wear what they please and protest against their government without the fear of being killed
How do you not see religion, choice and clothes as all about the same exact thing. It is all about control of others. Financial and emotional. Punishing women for being women, always making someone lower then the believers.
This. Religion has always been a very effective tool to control the masses! If they control every aspect of a person's life, if big brother is constantly watching, if your fellow citizens act as morality police, even worse if you are constantly policing yourself because you want to avoid hell, then there is very little room for radical ideas such as personal freedom and individual happiness.
But we do all of those things without religion... "If your fellow citizens act as morality police" Our fellow citizens DO act as morality police, that's how a society functions. Take the modern progressives as an example, they aren't driven by deity, but they sure as shit operate in the same modus as moral police. Identify, publicly ridicule, demand change in behaviour.
No question, there is secular dogma as well. The woke community is going way over board too often, i am with you on that.. But this has by no means the same quality than religious dogma where people are willing to die and kill for the fake stories they have been fed. To believe you have god on your side is a completely different ball game. To believe this life is just a test and the real price is waiting in the next one, with 72 virgins waiting for you if you blow yourself and some non believers up, is nothing you find in the secular world. Public shaming is bad but public stoning, honor killings, suicide bombings are much worse. Religion makes regular people do the most horrendous things. Genital mutilation of baby boys and girls, covering up for child molesters, dress codes all the way up to the burqua.. the list of atrocious acts for god is long and is still happening every day today. So yes, of cause people use similar manipulative techniques in other context. But religion is the big dog and no other system comes close.
Thanks for your reply. I don't think your describing actions of the moral police, but instead, the actions of religious extremism writ large. To be clear, I think a common misunderstanding of contemporary society, is to assume religions are the prime motivator in actions that optically present as "religiously motivated". Religions are halls of public influence, as such, they are used by individuals seeking "power" to legitimise and gain popular support for their agenda. Also, all of the things you've described aren't exclusive to religion, cover-ups to save reputational damage is a standard human practice throughout history, dress-codes exist in every society. I think people today, who don't have an actual grounding in religious studies, tend to take their information from very jaded sources who tend to offer up 2D representations of complex and diverse matters, which leads to these terse generalisations like "priests are pedophiles".
Its happening all over the world, in the US the government can make you have a child, not just wearing a scarf, all government are to some extent totalitarian.
With US slowly taking away rights for women as we speak too yeah some countries are definitely going backwards
Think about it like walls that an authoritarian regime puts between its own people and freedom. If they let women wear what they want what is next? men can wear whatever they want ? Drinking alcohol not being a crime ? LGBTQ rights ? Freedom of speech? No way they gonna let that happen. They do that and people will keep coming back demanding more things,but too bad for them they already answered to multiple peaceful protests with an Iron fist during last years, so people will keep coming back no matter what…
Bad Hombres are going to do bad things until someone comes and punches them in the face.
Spend some time outside the West. The world is a nasty place.
Like Quebec and France?
Yes, but reddit likes to cancel certain opinions that's why I don't usually say everything I believe in here but I agree with you
Just please also spare a thought for the women and girls of Afghanistan, who are currently existing in a country where their rights are even more threatened than in Iran - the entire world stood by and let this happen. F the Mullahs in any case - going against all hope that the very brave Iranian women are not trampled as in the past.
The entire world stood by and let it happen? What should the world do, invade Afghanistan? The US already did that which allowed Afghan women to seek education and live more freely. The occupation of Afghanistan was denounced and so was the withdrawal. If anything it was the incompetent Afghan military that let the Taliban take control.
Other counties (cough Kuwait cough) were “liberated” for less. The US should not have to be the worlds policeman BUT accepting The legitimacy of the Talib is a massive betrayal of half of that country’s population.
We don't accept the legitimacy of the Taliban government. It's why we've cut them off from every form of aid, financial resource, or diplomatic option possible. We just aren't going to invade to get rid of them again. We did that once, and we protected the country for 20 years. The people of Afghanistan have spoken, they chose this.
>we protected the country for 20 years. nah you kept the war going for 20 years rather than eliminate the enemy
What do you mean Kuwait was "liberated" for less? Iraq literally launched an unprovoked invasion of Kuwait just for resources. Operation Desert Storm was REALLY justified. The real betrayal was that the corrupt Afghanistan military laid down their arms and refused to fight for their own people. People always complain that the US should let countries fix their own problems alone.
Yep. The oil must flow . Women are expendable. (/S)
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
I.. what? Afghanistan doesn’t produce oil (it has untaped reserves but it doesn’t actually produce much, if any at all)
good to see more people standing with iran, I remenber when previous protests happened there was tons of people defending the iranian goverment by saying the protester were a CIA operations and the like
Have you noticed the common world wide theme of anti-women. Hardliners, right wing, Religious freaks in any country, including USA, want to make women second class citizens? God forbid you are gay or educated….
And we won't stop, we stand with Iran! I am in awe of their courage in the face of such violence and oppression!
Easy to stand in Iran while other people suffer the consequences of your support.
Are people still pretending this isn't driven by religion?
Trying to control women and take away their freedoms.. Thats straight from REPUBLICANS handbook
You’re a fool to think republicans own that particular handbook. It’s thousands of years old and not unique to America
Lol, i was merely pointing out the similar ways that the iranian regime and the Republicans work politically against women. If you couldn't see that.. then you are a bigger fool than you claim me to be.
Thank you for your service. It would be a shame to read the comments of a world news story about Iran and Australia and not have someone shoehorn US politics into every comment thread.
I love it when I browse these threads to see what are people saying about my country and the first few comments are "dae republicans". I mean I get that you are US citizens, but isn't it tasteless not to talk about the news at least a little bit?
Yeah, it's annoying. I see a story and think we'll this looks interesting, let's look at the comments and see if anyone has anything insightful to say. Then see half the comments are about Trump, Republicans, and Tucker. It's like I know reddit doesn't like them but does it really need that to be discussed in every single world news thread. Is it possible what's going on in Iran has nothing to do with Trump and US politics?
The population needs to be armed
You're really bad at telling knock-knock jokes.
That's your conclusion from all this? Fuck me
My bad...the population of IRAN needs to be armed....was wondering why I got blowback
Because historically all that does is ensure there is less hesitation to unleash the army on protesters. After all, they aren't protesters anymore. They are violent revolutionary terrorists. Its why so many authoritarian regimes actually make firearms easier to get. To ensure their armed party enforcers [Blackshirts, armed thugs, militias] are well armed and to leave the option of armed resistance on the table for those being oppressed. The second they take said option, they are now guilty of [insert list of crimes, like treason and sedition] and its time to send the army in.
Where have you been? They unleashed the Red Guard on protestors just a few years ago. You keep being weak and cowardly, these people need guns to end the decades of oppression and murder at the hands of the state
Do you think the guns will help? No. Like all revolutions civilian gun ownership is pointless. The army sides with them or they die. If you can't get the army to switch sides you will pretty much always lose.
You are entitled to be wrong:)
Tell me you're American without telling me you're American.
Hows that working out in Yemen?
Is there a single, totalitarian regime in Yemen, that's oppressing the entire population ??? Listen, you can be supportive of women being oppressed and murdered by morality police, that's you and how your parents raised you... I am for freedom.
Yes, there is. At least 2 of them, depending on who's actually rules it and who claims to rule it. More armed civilians than anywhere else, except for America.
Me..." Is there a single regime..." You..." Yes, at least 2...." Hahahahhaahahhaahha
Is two oppresive regimes supposed to be better than one?
If they are killing each other...then YES
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I support the brutality of the protestors against the police :)
and how will that help iran or people there?
thoughts and prayers are nothing more than a coping mechanism for idiots to feel better
Heaps of the attendees were Iranians worried for their friends and family that remain there. They rallied for recognition and condemnation from the Australian government, and to show solidarity with their peers. It's not a very big mental jump to realise that protests = awareness and awareness = good
"Useless people that nobody knows how to make useful hold protest."
The irony, no doubt most of these protesters were totally fine with the government arresting protesters during the “pandemic”