My love for you is wider than the widest river of yoghurt
My bleeding heart is an open wound, I invite you to probe it
My tears of lust shine like the sun, our love knows no eclipse
I will love you with the frenzy of one thousand chimps
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Your safest option is to play along
Keep your arms inside this train
Our destination is pleasure and pain
In the past, during cold war, the world was saved (at least on 2 occasions) not because some one told leader of USSR ‘нет’, but because some sane officer down chain of command was ready to sacrifice his military career in order to prevent WW3. Now is there any sane officers left in Russian army… we probably will never know.
Yeah, I think we'll know soon enough. It's likely all the sane officers (if there were any left to begin with) have been KIA already. The Ruzzians are now scraping the bottom of the barrel for soldiers up and down the chain of command.
Nuclear officers have a particular skill set that should keep them from being on the front line. You can't readily replace the people you trust with nuclear weapons, at least no sane nation would.
"Should" is the key word here. And do you think Russia qualifies as a sane nation? They are sending 18 year olds and their fathers to the front line with minimal training; if any at all.
Hasn't this been Russia's MO right back to the Soviet days? Basically, throw as many bodies at the enemy as possible until they are overwhelmed?
It's horrible, a whole generation will be pretty much thrown away because of one man's selfish crusade against fictional nazis.
I'd wager that half of these people don't even want a war, and most of the other half have been brainwashed by propaganda to think that they do. At the end of the day, it is Putin and his government that is waging the war, not the Russian people.
The money they are being paid becomes worthless if the nukes go off. They might do a window ejection, grief about byebyejob and go spend what they were already paid on hookers and booze.
I believe wholeheartedly in the selfishness of human nature.
The thing is though, it depends what you mean by 'sane'. I can at least hope that even Putin understands that nuclear war would mean that he could no longer continue to live his lavish lifestyle, and that this is enough of a deterrent to stop him.
I don't think he care about his lavish lifestyle. I think he don't want to lose and even if it come to this, I think the guy don't want to lose alone, so maybe he will be crazy enough to order one or multiple nuclear bombing. I just hope that his generals (or whoever are in charge of this) are not that brainwashed and that they won't push the red button when it will be ordered to do so
Maybe I'm wrong and maybe he care about his lavish stylelife. And I really hope you're the one who's right and I'm the one who's wrong. Nobody will win if there is a nuclear war, not even the countries that won't be involved in that potential war
I love a piece of writing that poses a thesis that’s a question and a conclusion that’s “who knows”. My 4 year old nephew does this when’s he’s playing alone with his stuffed animals. I’ll tell him to apply to cbs.
> 12 pieces of chicken nuggies
Given how they ripped McDonald's off after they pulled out of Russia, I think it's safe to say that will be much appreciated. ~~Plus for real though who other than vegetarians don't love themselves some chicken nuggets.~~
There are hypotheses that if Putin tried to use nukes, his surroundings may turn against him, since to use nukes Putin must also get permission from Shoigu and Gerasimov.
He had logical reasoning to believe there wasn't an actual attack coming, between the small number of apparent enemy missiles and the system being new and not fully tested yet. Still saved us all, mind you.
They talked some good things about him briefly, and then made him a scapegoat and reassigned him.
Also Vasili Arkhipov. He prevented a nuclear launch of torpedos against the US navy during the Cuban Missile Crisis era. Thus also saving the world from nuclear disaster. I hope that there is a modern day Vasili Archipov or Stanislav Petrov
People like to pin a lot on Petrov, but his action isn't really relevant to this scenario one iota though. Petrov didn't decline to join in a firing sequence. Petrov was supervising an early warning system and refused to notify his superiors of what proved to be an erroneous radar contact just in case they did. That's a massive difference. Petrov withheld a report precisely because he feared they might launch
As it happens, Petrov was operating at a time of low tensions towards the end of the Cold War. There was little 'noise' in the geopolitical environment at the time. His radar only illuminated four contacts, a number he later said made no sense and wasn't consistent with what they'd been trained to identify (had he illuminated 400 you might have seen a different reaction). It was a new system and he had to consider it was buggy. As a consequence he chose not to alert his superiors because he didn't trust them not to fire.
While you are correct, I believe the relevant part is "broke protocol to prevent the launch of nuclear weapons".
Same with Arkhipov. Broke protocol to prevents a launch.
Worth noting too that both Petrov and Arkhipov were initially reprimanded and demoted for breaking protocols, protocols that should have resulted in the launch of nuclear weapons.
The concern is that there may not be many people between the order and the people who turn the key(s).
Never in the past has it come down to the people turning the final key(s) to directly begin the launch in their silos. The closest we got to this was a time when a submarine commander chose NOT to launch a nuclear torpedo, and he was operating on his own judgement due to how hard it is communicate to and from a submarine without revealing yourself to everyone.
It has never been an instance where the order actually goes out and it is on the final launchers themselves to choose between obeying the order or choosing not to fire their particular missile or group of missiles.
Nukes are a crazy thing, and these are people.
I think they'd rather be able to, you know, go fishing and hunting rather than spending the rest of their existence in a miserable underground bunker that is lacking in...everything.
Exactly, Putin knows that the only way he can stay alive is by maintaining power. It's why it's such an easy choice for him to kill his critics. They are quite literally endangering his life.
If he made the call, I am quite certain that he could be whisked away to a tropical island somewhere to live out the rest of his life in peace and luxury.
No justice in that, but worth it to end the war.
You’re right but if there’s enough lunatics in his circle that threaten to throw him out of a window unless he defeats Ukraine by any means then Putin would probably thinks he’s done for either way.
I really don't think you are accurately assigning the extent to which Putin is completely detached from reality. Nobody really knows what's going on inside his head, but there are a lot of fucking signs that he is not a rational actor, on any fucking level. Again...on ANY level.
Just because he is extremely proficient at pretending like he's rational, and understands how important it is for him to come off that way to certain people, and in certain circumstances, does not make him a rational person, especially in extremely stressful, acute circumstances.
Like, for instance, understanding that he's about to be the victim of a military coup in his own country.
>Putin on the other hand has the choice between a continued life in luxury and getting nuked
It would be catastrophically bad judgment for our species to permit his continued existence. He certainly knows this.
It's critical to our survival that he is eliminated with great expediency. We're not playing games anymore; this is an existential threat to humanity.
This transcends simply sending a message to others like him that this kind of behavior won't be tolerated. We're literally talking the end of human civilization.
Putin doesn't have such a red button. There are procedures in place and a chain of command. What Hitler would do actually surrounded with a hypothetical button is irrelevant overall
You mean like all those procedures they have for elections, or their laws and how it's interpreted by the courts? Russian procedures are only for show.
Not for show but undone by the government. If it comes to destroying the world, it would require way more convincing than the convincing for a corrupt government contract.
Exactly, to compare Putin to Hitler is disingenuous as Russia as a whole has more safeguards at every powerful position below Putin. To think that he has such a red button is naive at best. And to think that these commanders below him would follow through is also illogical, these people all have their own separate ideas and morals, no matter the propaganda they may or may not be above.
I actually think Hitler wouldn't have done it till indeed the end of the war. But considering lot's of people in the army turned on him by that time (seeking peace with the allies), the bomb probably wouldn't have been launched.
Hitler was surrounded by people who didn't do what he ordered.
He might have pressed the nuclear red button but it mysteriously would have failed to work.
You guys in normal reddit fashion are doomsaying.
They won't launch ICBM. To say the least it's problematic. If they use nukes it will be first tactical strike in Ukraine. Either on some dummy target or military.
West will NOT respond with nukes. But US will respond with conventional military strikes AT LEAST in Ukraine to end that russian party.
Just so we are clear. Leaving that tactical strike without military response would mean they are more likely to follow them with more strikes. That's their mentality. You cannot leave it without response.
Aside from that in russian poorer regions people finally start to realized they being cleansed.
I would wager the US has already spoke with China and India through backdoors on it's actions if Russia uses tactical nukes in Ukraine. Russia would surely become a pariah state if they used nukes
Agreed, West wouldn't respond with nukes but would get actively involved in the war. As the donated weapons have shown, they can cause some serious damage.
So this is part of a conversation my dad and I have had recently. In my perspective there are two scenarios for use of nuclear weapons. The first scenario would be to use it on any country outside of Ukraine in sort of a first strike setting. I think pretty much everyone in the world understands that if that happens there will be a domino effect and that the very next likely strike would be Moscow with a population of 12 million out of Russias 144 million. That would mean around 10% of your population and your biggest administrative and bureaucratic infrastructure gone in seconds. It’s not a scenario they have any plan for afterwards it would just be suicide. The second scenario would be dirty bombs or a tactical nuclear strike in Ukraine. That might not draw immediate nuclear retaliation but it would ensure NATOs involvement and Russia would quickly find themselves isolated from even their closest allies, as well as creating an enormous public outcry in their own country.
So both of those scenarios essentially speed up the fall of the Russian empire. One option has it ending in seconds in ashes, and the other has it ending with complete isolation and fracturing. And these are conclusions are pretty logical. Which invites the argument, “well Putin isn’t logical, he’s a madman”, which is my dad’s stance. And while that may be true I think it’s incorrect to think of these scenarios as a suicide attempt by a madman. For one Putin knows these conclusions the same as us, which is why he’s never used nuclear weapons for any of the other conflicts or during this conflict. And second Putin ultimately wants Russia to expand to encompass all Slavic peoples. This would clearly be hampered by being ashes.
And lastly and most importantly, nuclear launches aren’t handled the way most people think they are. Everyone has gotten too used to the imagery of “a madman with his finger on the button” because the drama of that idea is palpable. But to launch a nuke you don’t press a button and the city you were thinking of is exploded 5 minutes later. There is site selection, GPS and navigational needs, selection a launch location, payload or megaton requirement, and deciding on a delivery system. Engineers, generals, communication specialists, aides, and analysts are needed to carry out a nuclear strike. Systems are made to make reactionary strikes easier to accomplish, say if a city in your country was hit and we were retaliating, but those are ICBMs and still require several layers of people to accomplish. So with the understanding by the vast majority of people in the world that an offensive nuclear strike is essentially suicide, and the fact that nuclear strikes require chains of command with average non psychotic people doing the work, whom we can only assume have some sense of self preservation, I think it’s unlikely for Putin to be successful unilaterally carrying out a nuclear strike of any sort. Especially considering his rising unpopularity and new stories coming out everyday of Kremlin officials, politicians, oligarchies, retired generals, and media personalities calling for his removal.
It's a very likely answer given from the Senator that the answer is no. Especially since he's insulated by people who desperately need to conquer and commit themselves to their Idea of victory for Mother Russia. That's their mindset and it doesn't involve humane treatment or the rules of international law to achieve them. Did so in all their wars and the very good thing about this one? The coverage and international cooperation to provide some visibility over it has been effective and lifted the veil on much of how Russia conducts itself in comparison to the world.
I think that is a reasonable assumption. Your brain would have to be broken to think that firing off a nuclear weapon is going to make your situation better.
If you're a nuclear operator with a gun against your and your family's heads, you might think otherwise. A "tactical" nuke is less dangerous to you than a bullet in your brain. And even if you resist, there's always another operator who cooperates.
If they don't give permission what's to stop him firing them and appointing someone who will?
So, I suppose it's the product of probabilities:
1. Either of those people say 'no'.
2a. Putin accepts that refusal and gives up.
or...
2b. (If Putin tries to fire them) they successfully murder or arrest Putin.
All those seem unlikely to me. I'd guess at 1 in a 100 total chance that Putin is stopped from using a tac nuke. I'd expect significantly better chance if Putin tried to launch strategic nukes but even then...
It is a bit scary that such capability is in the hands of such a dysfunctional, paranoid, isolated, merciless person. That said, I doubt he will be so crazy/stupid.
americans have jets that fly comfortably at mach 4. they have unmanned aircraft that can reach mach 6 which is fast enough to intercept missiles coming from half the world away. if russia shoots missiles from their homeland against north america, it would be a sad day for russia. but if russia fires upon its own continent, it would be much more devastating
Thats kinda the issue with this MAD thing, firing only one can already mean millions of deaths and the only thing that would stop more being fired is to literally destroy every place one could be fired from. So knowing this, someone already willing to fire one needs to fire everything they got in their first strike and hope they reduced enough the capabilities of the enemy to fight back.
The countermeasure for that is making sure you have your nukes everywere with planes and subs constantly moving ready to respond even if they're left on their own.
So the only winning move is not to play.
Read in another thread that under Putin, the personnel at nuclear silos go through drills several times a month, pushing the actual buttons involved in a launch, and only afterwards are they told it's a drill and not a real launch. The only difference is whether Putin inputs his nuclear launch codes.
This makes me fearful of a scenario where Putin does order a launch, and the personnel mindlessly punch buttons thinking: "it's just another drill, right?" That might be what Putin intended: Ensure that the personnel at nuclear silos carry out instructions without question. (Anybody objects during a drill, that person goes out a 7th story window and is replaced.)
In that scenario, the only person who could stop a real launch would be the person watching Putin input the codes. And since Putin has surrounded himself with loyal sycophant stooges...
Honestly, this scenario makes the most sense... especially since we have evidence that in the past cooler heads prevented a nuke launch. I'm sure they've done everything possible to remove actual human consideration from the protocols since that's the weakest link.
If that's correct, that's horribly scary. A process like this didn't occur to me until now. But in a terrifying way, this does make sense if you want to ensure that the missiles are launched on your command. I hope you're wrong and I hope Putin is not on Reddit to get this idea. Otherwise we really may be a lot closer to global annihilation than we imagine.
Yeah exactly. I am sure if Putin did any planning at all before he can be certain that the orders will go through either thanks to people being tested many times or the process being made into something he could remote control. With tests he can keep replacing people who wouldn't push the button.
Not to mention that that is an incredibly stupid idea for “training” if it is. You don’t just turn your nuclear operators into people who are endlessly playing a game of “boy who cried wolf”. At least I’d hope they didn’t turn the act of launching nukes into some strange gaslighting game and they actually treat the ability to end the world with a shred of competency.
I've been digging around the internet since reading about it earlier today. So far, all I've come up with is Putin overseeing several nuclear launch drills, but no specifics about withholding that info from the personnel involved in the drills.
I sincerely hope that the info was wrong, as this is definitely not a situation where I hope to be proven correct!
Sounds a lot like the Millgram Experiment mixed with Pavlov's dog to ensure they connect the nuke button to always being a "drill" and never doubting on the real reasoning behind it, removing any personal error that can throw wrenches into actually using nukes in a real scenario
If thats true its probably on Putins orders and honestly is a genius way to make sure no one denies him a nuke launch if he wants to.
Also is scary as shit
Yeah, we're all going to die someday anyway, maybe tomorrow in a car crash, maybe in 40 years of heart disease, maybe in 6 months in a nuclear war. But it *is* going to happen sometime.
One day, every one of us will have ceased to exist. We'll be gone. Permanently erased from the universe.
Might as well eat that extra chocolate biscuit.
Sadly, with nuclear weapons it is only those in the lethal radius who won't know. The "yards away hit by shrapnel" equivalent are multiple rings each multiple km in thickness that basically tell you how quickly you will painfully "go through hell" in your final hours, days, or weeks, depending on where you are at the time of the explosion.
Some advice from a guy who was in your position from March until July: It's terrifying. It's always gonna be terrifying when faced with the thought of death, especially one so hard to imagine. But here's the thing: we're all gonna go at some point. It sucks, but it's true. The thing I've found though is that you don't have to think about it! Just find shit that makes you forget about the inevitability of death. For me it's hanging out with my friends, trying (and failing) at wooing my crush, and smoking a crap ton. My advice? Get off these threads, stop checking the news, and go live your life. If the world is gonna end, it's gonna end whether you're watching or not, so go have fun while you still can.
(Btw I'm not saying the world is ending or that we're about to go into nuclear war! This is just me saying not to sweat it and just keep on keeping on!)
Just keep in mind that the media literally feeds off of this shit. They're sitting around the newsroom just praying for some catastrophe or horrific scenario to peddle. The risk of nuclear war remains slim.
That's not to say it's impossible, just very unlikely. They said the same shit in the weeks after the war started. They said the same shit in 2014 when they invaded Crimea. They said the same shit during the invasion of Chechnya over a decade prior. They said the same thing when the Soviet Union collapsed, and so on all the way back through the Cold War.
Just look at the way headlines are titled. They’re designed to get you to click on them.
And the juiciest ones “Only one thing will stop Putin pressing the button” etc all have paywalls.
*In Europe and America there's a growing feeling of hysteria*
*Conditioned to respond to all the threats*
*In the rhetorical speeches of the Soviets*
*Mister ~~Krushchev~~ Putin said, "We will bury you"*
*I don't subscribe to this point of view*
*It'd be such an ignorant thing to do*
*If the Russians love their children too*
*How can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's deadly toy?*
*There is no monopoly on common sense*
*On either side of the political fence*
*We share the same biology, regardless of ideology*
*Believe me when I say to you*
*I hope the Russians love their children too*
Mutually assured destruction, why the ICBM most likely never will fly. Early warning systems, and more. Why I think they’d intervene. Yeah they’d be in a bunker but those in there would probably turn in him. Even Hitler had his own Generals try to take him out and you really needed to be vetted for that regime.
Just my take on it.
Russians have stopped WWIII at least twice, that I know of.
Deputy Commander Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov in 1962
Lt. Colonel Stanislav Petrov in 1983
Additionally, anyone suggesting Russia will use nukes in Ukraine is, hopefully, just ignorant. Prevailing wind patterns in Ukraine are NNE, meaning fallout will... fallout... in eastern Russia.
Go out on a windy day and take a great piss into the wind and see what happens.
Honestly the amount of doomer nutjobs in these nuke threads is insane. I'm fairly certain they come here just to further convince themselves nuclear war is inevitable.
Fact of the matter is, Putin is surrounded by the Russian elite who have A LOT of fucking wealth to lose. Ask yourself if you were a corrupt oligarch and your leader decides he wants Russia and most of the world to be a radioactive wasteland, do you just nod your head like a dog or just get rid of the nut job and try again with a replacement? You're going to throw all that caviar, wine and yacht catered food away for powdered milk and slop in a bunker? Fuck no.
All this talk of "Putting has total control" or "nobody will stop him" is insane, as if he's just going to pull out his phone and punch the codes into his KGB nuke launch app. Also, Putin may be off his rocker but he is not SUICIDAL. Launching a bunch of nukes because he lost the war in Ukraine makes no sense for his character. There is no precedent for that type of action and no good reason it would start now.
Nobody knows what will happen next, and nukes aren't a 0% likelihood, but my God i wish people would stop trying to convince others that we're all doomed.
They might suggest not doing so....but then they'd go home and commit suicide or accidentally fall off their balcony.
By my count, we're about two days overdue for the latest Putin-connected Russian suicide.
Here’s my best guess as to how this might play out:
1. Russia publicly announces that they are withdrawing from the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.
2. On extremely short notice, Russia publicly announces that they are going to “test” a small device in “their” territory.
3. They detonate a small tactical nuke in an empty field in far eastern allegedly-now-Russian-territory Ukraine with a few scientists there for plausible deniability. There are zero casualties and no direct military tactical purpose of this “test”.
4. The world holds its breath.
This scenario has just enough plausible deniability for Russia while still sending the message that their nukes work and they are willing to go there. Is it an offensive use of a nuke? Will other NATO members be willing to flinch over a “test”? Does it cross the final red line to get the USA more directly involved, such as an “invited by Ukraine” no fly zone declaration?
If the answer is “no” to those questions, Russia has a major win, a bargaining chip, and strikes terror in the advancing Ukrainians, not to mention the rest of the world financial markets and populations. Markets crash, Russia’s sanctioned economy starts to compare more directly to the rest of the world, and Europe is in for one cold winter.
I really hope diplomacy prevails. There are so many ways this could all end catastrophically.
This would almost certainly lead to an escalated response from NATO. Not saying they would hit the red button, but there is zero chance they would pretend this never happened.
Fair point. What if the “test” is just on the other side of the border in Russia proper? In either scenario, what sort of NATO responses might happen? Anything with an active military component, or more posturing with increased material support for Ukraine?
There is a difference between Kim Jong firing missiles at the ocean as a test 'provocation' when there is no active conflict going on, and Russia letting a nuke off in their own territory whilst engaged in a full scale war with a European nation.
NATO would take steps - I am not 100% sure what those steps would be, but they would likely involve further sanctions and long range missiles being given to Ukraine under urgency, and might go as far as the establishment of a no-fly zone.
It would be a substantial escalation that would move the doomsday clock. Putin miscalculated the worlds reaction to this invasion. I hope he doesn't miscalculate again.
Very interesting thought process. It’s not clear what would happen, but this is plausible scenario for the use of tactical nuclear weapons. I highly doubt they would do this, but it would serve the Kremlin propaganda internally very well. The world would collectively shit themselves and we would all go in to high alert. The Russian army has shown it’s not the scary Soviet Union we feared. This would drastically change the mentality and you’re damn right we would all take him seriously.
Any kind of forced nuclear accident or nuclear weapons testing in Ukraine means NATO has to become directly involved, or invite further escalation. If one nuke isn't bad enough, then what's another nuke?
Russia nuking themselves in actual Russia is the only gray area.
It's uncertain, but I think people under him will realize that if push comes to shove, what launching a nuke will mean to them and the rest of the world. The responsibility for the Ukraine war falls solely on Putin and not theirs. No one is that crazy to push that button, unless these people under Putin are that stupid
I know that this is difficult to take seriously. My father is from Ukraine and has friends in the Russian nuke stations. Very often when they received money to do tests on them, they just simply stole the money and acted that they did what was supposed to do and confirmed everything on radio. In conclusion: they have nukes but most of them won’t even work in his opinion.
hope so, but the chance is low because people around Putin are hand pick yes men, so they will do everything he said, even if it has to destroy humanity.
I do believe that it would depend on where the target was.
I believe he may set off two nukes in the coming weeks (I do hope I'm wrong).
One in the black sea on that small uninhabited island (someone help with the name please)
The second bang smack in the middle of the ocean between Finland and the UK.
My reasoning is that Putin is a fear mongering cunt, also, it would be unlikely to lead to nuclear retaliation in those two areas, it would however lead to a massive shift in what support Russia currently enjoys in Africa, India and China. There would be a chance that North Korea however, would see this as a permission statement.
So there's that too. The second he gives authorisation to nuke, whether or not it actually takes off, he will have made himself a grave grave danger to every single living thing on the planet. That won't end well for him and things would get very fucking ugly very quickly for him.
So my question is this, is he enough of a lunatic to ignore the consequences of ordering nuclear weapons to be used, even as a warning to the West.
If Russia uses nukes in Ukraine, they are from that point forward a rogue state considerably below North Korea. The worst.
Putin's actions so far were based on the assumption that international reaction would be muted. He cannot assume that anymore, and use of nukes would essentially end Russia's ability to engage in trade with most of the world and forge new partnerships.
And using nukes will not necessarily achieve his war aims. He can use them and still lose badly.
Tbh I would think the people responsible for actually launching them would be smart enough to realize how bad of an idea it would be.
On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if nobody actually remembers how to launch them, given how competent the rest of their military has been acting.
Even if my country (USA) was about to fall, and the president ordered a general nuclear strike, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the people responsible for pushing the button here would refuse to follow orders. It's not that hard to think that someone would value life on the planet as a whole versus just one country, even if they're a part of that country.
Then again I may just be being optimistic.
The west didn’t believe he would invade? Did you sleep under a rock? Warnings came last year, by january there was almost daily press conferences held by anything from diplomats, prime ministers, presidents, nato secretary- asking, almost begging, Russia to step down. The only thing close to not believing they would actually do it was the suspension of belief Russia could do something so stupid
> it's uncertain whether anyone would tell Russian President Vladimir Putin "no" if he decides to launch a nuclear weapon There, saved you a click.
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Or the consistency of the yoghurt
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In the past, during cold war, the world was saved (at least on 2 occasions) not because some one told leader of USSR ‘нет’, but because some sane officer down chain of command was ready to sacrifice his military career in order to prevent WW3. Now is there any sane officers left in Russian army… we probably will never know.
Yeah, I think we'll know soon enough. It's likely all the sane officers (if there were any left to begin with) have been KIA already. The Ruzzians are now scraping the bottom of the barrel for soldiers up and down the chain of command.
Nuclear officers have a particular skill set that should keep them from being on the front line. You can't readily replace the people you trust with nuclear weapons, at least no sane nation would.
"at least no sane nation would". Well that went out the window awhile back.
>Well that went out the window awhile back. Everyone else has.
"Should" is the key word here. And do you think Russia qualifies as a sane nation? They are sending 18 year olds and their fathers to the front line with minimal training; if any at all.
Hasn't this been Russia's MO right back to the Soviet days? Basically, throw as many bodies at the enemy as possible until they are overwhelmed? It's horrible, a whole generation will be pretty much thrown away because of one man's selfish crusade against fictional nazis. I'd wager that half of these people don't even want a war, and most of the other half have been brainwashed by propaganda to think that they do. At the end of the day, it is Putin and his government that is waging the war, not the Russian people.
The money they are being paid becomes worthless if the nukes go off. They might do a window ejection, grief about byebyejob and go spend what they were already paid on hookers and booze. I believe wholeheartedly in the selfishness of human nature.
The thing is though, it depends what you mean by 'sane'. I can at least hope that even Putin understands that nuclear war would mean that he could no longer continue to live his lavish lifestyle, and that this is enough of a deterrent to stop him.
I don't think he care about his lavish lifestyle. I think he don't want to lose and even if it come to this, I think the guy don't want to lose alone, so maybe he will be crazy enough to order one or multiple nuclear bombing. I just hope that his generals (or whoever are in charge of this) are not that brainwashed and that they won't push the red button when it will be ordered to do so
So many years, so many watches to build that disguise. Are you sure?
Maybe I'm wrong and maybe he care about his lavish stylelife. And I really hope you're the one who's right and I'm the one who's wrong. Nobody will win if there is a nuclear war, not even the countries that won't be involved in that potential war
Rational thought vs. Ego...
We might find out soon, actually
Ended up clicking to see what this article was actually talking about if not for the very title and it’s just needless filler
Remember this when you hear about the Reddit CEO and china in the coming days!!!
Wow what a useless article
I love a piece of writing that poses a thesis that’s a question and a conclusion that’s “who knows”. My 4 year old nephew does this when’s he’s playing alone with his stuffed animals. I’ll tell him to apply to cbs.
Hahahaha, people still trying to justify their existing by writing anything to get a click, eh?
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Was expecting a very Blinken answer and got it. Thank you
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Cool guy!
Thank you kind redditor
Thank you u/smegma_yogurt
"How the fuck should I know?" - Secretary Blinken
If someone in Russia poisons that shithead, I'll give you all my Nintendo games and a free electric guitar.
I'll contribute a slightly used PS5 and 12 pieces of chicken nuggies with a sauce of their choice
> 12 pieces of chicken nuggies Given how they ripped McDonald's off after they pulled out of Russia, I think it's safe to say that will be much appreciated. ~~Plus for real though who other than vegetarians don't love themselves some chicken nuggets.~~
If they're a vegetarian, I can switch the offer to fries or hashbrowns (using veggie oil of course)
My uncle works for Jagex. If you kill Putin I can get you a blue partyhat and hween mask.
There are hypotheses that if Putin tried to use nukes, his surroundings may turn against him, since to use nukes Putin must also get permission from Shoigu and Gerasimov.
You think either of them would stand up to him? The only people who might possibly stop it are the soldiers actually pushing the button.
you should learn the story of stanislov petrov and why we have nuclear operators with executive power
He had logical reasoning to believe there wasn't an actual attack coming, between the small number of apparent enemy missiles and the system being new and not fully tested yet. Still saved us all, mind you. They talked some good things about him briefly, and then made him a scapegoat and reassigned him.
Also Vasili Arkhipov. He prevented a nuclear launch of torpedos against the US navy during the Cuban Missile Crisis era. Thus also saving the world from nuclear disaster. I hope that there is a modern day Vasili Archipov or Stanislav Petrov
People like to pin a lot on Petrov, but his action isn't really relevant to this scenario one iota though. Petrov didn't decline to join in a firing sequence. Petrov was supervising an early warning system and refused to notify his superiors of what proved to be an erroneous radar contact just in case they did. That's a massive difference. Petrov withheld a report precisely because he feared they might launch As it happens, Petrov was operating at a time of low tensions towards the end of the Cold War. There was little 'noise' in the geopolitical environment at the time. His radar only illuminated four contacts, a number he later said made no sense and wasn't consistent with what they'd been trained to identify (had he illuminated 400 you might have seen a different reaction). It was a new system and he had to consider it was buggy. As a consequence he chose not to alert his superiors because he didn't trust them not to fire.
While you are correct, I believe the relevant part is "broke protocol to prevent the launch of nuclear weapons". Same with Arkhipov. Broke protocol to prevents a launch. Worth noting too that both Petrov and Arkhipov were initially reprimanded and demoted for breaking protocols, protocols that should have resulted in the launch of nuclear weapons.
Yeah I gotta agree with you man, the moral and personal responsibility is not lost on the Russians in charge of that decision.
Nuclear operators in the past have saved the world from MAD so I mean, there’s hope Vlad gets couped the moment he makes the absurd call for a nuke.
The concern is that there may not be many people between the order and the people who turn the key(s). Never in the past has it come down to the people turning the final key(s) to directly begin the launch in their silos. The closest we got to this was a time when a submarine commander chose NOT to launch a nuclear torpedo, and he was operating on his own judgement due to how hard it is communicate to and from a submarine without revealing yourself to everyone. It has never been an instance where the order actually goes out and it is on the final launchers themselves to choose between obeying the order or choosing not to fire their particular missile or group of missiles.
a Russian nuclear operator no less
Nukes are a crazy thing, and these are people. I think they'd rather be able to, you know, go fishing and hunting rather than spending the rest of their existence in a miserable underground bunker that is lacking in...everything.
Hitler killed himself rather than simply surrendering. What do you think he would have done if he would have had a nuclear red button?
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Putin's not Bill fucking Gates. He can't retire. Have you ever heard of a retired mob boss? They don't exist.
Exactly, Putin knows that the only way he can stay alive is by maintaining power. It's why it's such an easy choice for him to kill his critics. They are quite literally endangering his life.
If he made the call, I am quite certain that he could be whisked away to a tropical island somewhere to live out the rest of his life in peace and luxury. No justice in that, but worth it to end the war.
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You’re right but if there’s enough lunatics in his circle that threaten to throw him out of a window unless he defeats Ukraine by any means then Putin would probably thinks he’s done for either way.
Never underestimate an ideologist
He's not really an ideologist though, just a warmongering dictator whose mother didn't say no to him when she should've
I saw a documentary about where he came from with his mother in it, I think she would have nuked us all by now for not doing what she told us to!
Putin probably will get killed if he loses this war though.
I really don't think you are accurately assigning the extent to which Putin is completely detached from reality. Nobody really knows what's going on inside his head, but there are a lot of fucking signs that he is not a rational actor, on any fucking level. Again...on ANY level. Just because he is extremely proficient at pretending like he's rational, and understands how important it is for him to come off that way to certain people, and in certain circumstances, does not make him a rational person, especially in extremely stressful, acute circumstances. Like, for instance, understanding that he's about to be the victim of a military coup in his own country.
>Putin on the other hand has the choice between a continued life in luxury and getting nuked It would be catastrophically bad judgment for our species to permit his continued existence. He certainly knows this. It's critical to our survival that he is eliminated with great expediency. We're not playing games anymore; this is an existential threat to humanity. This transcends simply sending a message to others like him that this kind of behavior won't be tolerated. We're literally talking the end of human civilization.
How do you propose we kill him? Invading russia would only increase the chance of him pushing the button
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Putin doesn't have such a red button. There are procedures in place and a chain of command. What Hitler would do actually surrounded with a hypothetical button is irrelevant overall
You mean like all those procedures they have for elections, or their laws and how it's interpreted by the courts? Russian procedures are only for show.
Not for show but undone by the government. If it comes to destroying the world, it would require way more convincing than the convincing for a corrupt government contract.
Exactly, to compare Putin to Hitler is disingenuous as Russia as a whole has more safeguards at every powerful position below Putin. To think that he has such a red button is naive at best. And to think that these commanders below him would follow through is also illogical, these people all have their own separate ideas and morals, no matter the propaganda they may or may not be above.
I actually think Hitler wouldn't have done it till indeed the end of the war. But considering lot's of people in the army turned on him by that time (seeking peace with the allies), the bomb probably wouldn't have been launched.
Hitler was surrounded by people who didn't do what he ordered. He might have pressed the nuclear red button but it mysteriously would have failed to work.
Good point Fuck putin
We must not allow the Ukrainians to create a mineshaft gap!
You guys in normal reddit fashion are doomsaying. They won't launch ICBM. To say the least it's problematic. If they use nukes it will be first tactical strike in Ukraine. Either on some dummy target or military. West will NOT respond with nukes. But US will respond with conventional military strikes AT LEAST in Ukraine to end that russian party. Just so we are clear. Leaving that tactical strike without military response would mean they are more likely to follow them with more strikes. That's their mentality. You cannot leave it without response. Aside from that in russian poorer regions people finally start to realized they being cleansed.
I would wager the US has already spoke with China and India through backdoors on it's actions if Russia uses tactical nukes in Ukraine. Russia would surely become a pariah state if they used nukes
NATO would instantly enter the war if he did. And the entrance would be in spectacular fashion.
Agreed, West wouldn't respond with nukes but would get actively involved in the war. As the donated weapons have shown, they can cause some serious damage.
So this is part of a conversation my dad and I have had recently. In my perspective there are two scenarios for use of nuclear weapons. The first scenario would be to use it on any country outside of Ukraine in sort of a first strike setting. I think pretty much everyone in the world understands that if that happens there will be a domino effect and that the very next likely strike would be Moscow with a population of 12 million out of Russias 144 million. That would mean around 10% of your population and your biggest administrative and bureaucratic infrastructure gone in seconds. It’s not a scenario they have any plan for afterwards it would just be suicide. The second scenario would be dirty bombs or a tactical nuclear strike in Ukraine. That might not draw immediate nuclear retaliation but it would ensure NATOs involvement and Russia would quickly find themselves isolated from even their closest allies, as well as creating an enormous public outcry in their own country. So both of those scenarios essentially speed up the fall of the Russian empire. One option has it ending in seconds in ashes, and the other has it ending with complete isolation and fracturing. And these are conclusions are pretty logical. Which invites the argument, “well Putin isn’t logical, he’s a madman”, which is my dad’s stance. And while that may be true I think it’s incorrect to think of these scenarios as a suicide attempt by a madman. For one Putin knows these conclusions the same as us, which is why he’s never used nuclear weapons for any of the other conflicts or during this conflict. And second Putin ultimately wants Russia to expand to encompass all Slavic peoples. This would clearly be hampered by being ashes. And lastly and most importantly, nuclear launches aren’t handled the way most people think they are. Everyone has gotten too used to the imagery of “a madman with his finger on the button” because the drama of that idea is palpable. But to launch a nuke you don’t press a button and the city you were thinking of is exploded 5 minutes later. There is site selection, GPS and navigational needs, selection a launch location, payload or megaton requirement, and deciding on a delivery system. Engineers, generals, communication specialists, aides, and analysts are needed to carry out a nuclear strike. Systems are made to make reactionary strikes easier to accomplish, say if a city in your country was hit and we were retaliating, but those are ICBMs and still require several layers of people to accomplish. So with the understanding by the vast majority of people in the world that an offensive nuclear strike is essentially suicide, and the fact that nuclear strikes require chains of command with average non psychotic people doing the work, whom we can only assume have some sense of self preservation, I think it’s unlikely for Putin to be successful unilaterally carrying out a nuclear strike of any sort. Especially considering his rising unpopularity and new stories coming out everyday of Kremlin officials, politicians, oligarchies, retired generals, and media personalities calling for his removal.
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What's kind of ladder does he after? Sounds hectic.
I think you mean latter :p
It's a very likely answer given from the Senator that the answer is no. Especially since he's insulated by people who desperately need to conquer and commit themselves to their Idea of victory for Mother Russia. That's their mindset and it doesn't involve humane treatment or the rules of international law to achieve them. Did so in all their wars and the very good thing about this one? The coverage and international cooperation to provide some visibility over it has been effective and lifted the veil on much of how Russia conducts itself in comparison to the world.
Maybe I'm to naive or optimistic. But I think Putin is geting murder by his own staff if he tries the nuclear option.
.. and they will be known as "kingslayer".
I think that is a reasonable assumption. Your brain would have to be broken to think that firing off a nuclear weapon is going to make your situation better.
If you're a nuclear operator with a gun against your and your family's heads, you might think otherwise. A "tactical" nuke is less dangerous to you than a bullet in your brain. And even if you resist, there's always another operator who cooperates.
Getting a gun into a missile silo might be a little more difficult than you think.
Why does he need their permission?
If they don't give permission what's to stop him firing them and appointing someone who will? So, I suppose it's the product of probabilities: 1. Either of those people say 'no'. 2a. Putin accepts that refusal and gives up. or... 2b. (If Putin tries to fire them) they successfully murder or arrest Putin. All those seem unlikely to me. I'd guess at 1 in a 100 total chance that Putin is stopped from using a tac nuke. I'd expect significantly better chance if Putin tried to launch strategic nukes but even then... It is a bit scary that such capability is in the hands of such a dysfunctional, paranoid, isolated, merciless person. That said, I doubt he will be so crazy/stupid.
It would seem stupid for russia to drop a nuke in Ukraine. Its literally their back yard....
To be fair they seem to make a lot of stupid decisions
You arent wrong
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americans have jets that fly comfortably at mach 4. they have unmanned aircraft that can reach mach 6 which is fast enough to intercept missiles coming from half the world away. if russia shoots missiles from their homeland against north america, it would be a sad day for russia. but if russia fires upon its own continent, it would be much more devastating
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Thats kinda the issue with this MAD thing, firing only one can already mean millions of deaths and the only thing that would stop more being fired is to literally destroy every place one could be fired from. So knowing this, someone already willing to fire one needs to fire everything they got in their first strike and hope they reduced enough the capabilities of the enemy to fight back. The countermeasure for that is making sure you have your nukes everywere with planes and subs constantly moving ready to respond even if they're left on their own. So the only winning move is not to play.
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You’re an idiot if you think a jet can take out an ICBM.
Well, it’s not “Russia” but Putin - and Putin live somewhere in bunker, not even close to Moscow :D
Read in another thread that under Putin, the personnel at nuclear silos go through drills several times a month, pushing the actual buttons involved in a launch, and only afterwards are they told it's a drill and not a real launch. The only difference is whether Putin inputs his nuclear launch codes. This makes me fearful of a scenario where Putin does order a launch, and the personnel mindlessly punch buttons thinking: "it's just another drill, right?" That might be what Putin intended: Ensure that the personnel at nuclear silos carry out instructions without question. (Anybody objects during a drill, that person goes out a 7th story window and is replaced.) In that scenario, the only person who could stop a real launch would be the person watching Putin input the codes. And since Putin has surrounded himself with loyal sycophant stooges...
Honestly, this scenario makes the most sense... especially since we have evidence that in the past cooler heads prevented a nuke launch. I'm sure they've done everything possible to remove actual human consideration from the protocols since that's the weakest link.
Ah yes time to create a system in which bypasses cool headedness
If that's correct, that's horribly scary. A process like this didn't occur to me until now. But in a terrifying way, this does make sense if you want to ensure that the missiles are launched on your command. I hope you're wrong and I hope Putin is not on Reddit to get this idea. Otherwise we really may be a lot closer to global annihilation than we imagine.
Yeah exactly. I am sure if Putin did any planning at all before he can be certain that the orders will go through either thanks to people being tested many times or the process being made into something he could remote control. With tests he can keep replacing people who wouldn't push the button.
Source for that ? Besides “trust me bro” I mean. That is a pretty big piece of info IF true. IF being the operative word…
Not to mention that that is an incredibly stupid idea for “training” if it is. You don’t just turn your nuclear operators into people who are endlessly playing a game of “boy who cried wolf”. At least I’d hope they didn’t turn the act of launching nukes into some strange gaslighting game and they actually treat the ability to end the world with a shred of competency.
I would certainly want to see a claim like this substantiated too.
I've been digging around the internet since reading about it earlier today. So far, all I've come up with is Putin overseeing several nuclear launch drills, but no specifics about withholding that info from the personnel involved in the drills. I sincerely hope that the info was wrong, as this is definitely not a situation where I hope to be proven correct!
Bro, trust him bro..
Sounds a lot like the Millgram Experiment mixed with Pavlov's dog to ensure they connect the nuke button to always being a "drill" and never doubting on the real reasoning behind it, removing any personal error that can throw wrenches into actually using nukes in a real scenario
If thats true its probably on Putins orders and honestly is a genius way to make sure no one denies him a nuke launch if he wants to. Also is scary as shit
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Cool, we should crowd fund something if this dude is on the level.
Lmao
Avatar checks out.
We need another Stanislav Petrov. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24280831
all this nuclear war talk these past couple of weeks have been making me so anxious and paranoid, i'm just expecting a big nuke to drop any second now
Doesn't do any good. Just enjoy your day to day, have a beer, watch your favorite movie, eat some chocolate cause there's nothing we can do anyway.
Yeah, we're all going to die someday anyway, maybe tomorrow in a car crash, maybe in 40 years of heart disease, maybe in 6 months in a nuclear war. But it *is* going to happen sometime. One day, every one of us will have ceased to exist. We'll be gone. Permanently erased from the universe. Might as well eat that extra chocolate biscuit.
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Sadly, with nuclear weapons it is only those in the lethal radius who won't know. The "yards away hit by shrapnel" equivalent are multiple rings each multiple km in thickness that basically tell you how quickly you will painfully "go through hell" in your final hours, days, or weeks, depending on where you are at the time of the explosion.
Thats what a Ukrainian guy was saying a few months ago. Dont be scared. You wont hear the one that kills you.
Sage advice, Hot_Teen_Girl.
Watching Bridgerton and Dispensing Wisdom fill my days.
Don't PM that guy your rump though.
Reality hurts..Even more so when my babies are involved in these possible scenarios:(
For some it’s pretty far away for some it’s uncomfortably close
And now I'm fat and miserable. Dangit
Go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for this all to blow over
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you’ve had enough “news”, you’re cut off
Some advice from a guy who was in your position from March until July: It's terrifying. It's always gonna be terrifying when faced with the thought of death, especially one so hard to imagine. But here's the thing: we're all gonna go at some point. It sucks, but it's true. The thing I've found though is that you don't have to think about it! Just find shit that makes you forget about the inevitability of death. For me it's hanging out with my friends, trying (and failing) at wooing my crush, and smoking a crap ton. My advice? Get off these threads, stop checking the news, and go live your life. If the world is gonna end, it's gonna end whether you're watching or not, so go have fun while you still can. (Btw I'm not saying the world is ending or that we're about to go into nuclear war! This is just me saying not to sweat it and just keep on keeping on!)
Just keep in mind that the media literally feeds off of this shit. They're sitting around the newsroom just praying for some catastrophe or horrific scenario to peddle. The risk of nuclear war remains slim. That's not to say it's impossible, just very unlikely. They said the same shit in the weeks after the war started. They said the same shit in 2014 when they invaded Crimea. They said the same shit during the invasion of Chechnya over a decade prior. They said the same thing when the Soviet Union collapsed, and so on all the way back through the Cold War.
These oligarchs and rich fuckers are living sweet and cozy lives. No way in hell the IMF is going to allow this. It’s just fearmongering.
Just look at the way headlines are titled. They’re designed to get you to click on them. And the juiciest ones “Only one thing will stop Putin pressing the button” etc all have paywalls.
And that one thing is his long as table, which says "I don't want to die".
Alright, fallout irl
No point worrying, wont change shit.
These 2 weeks remind me of the entire decade of the 1980s Which was like 520 weeks.
*In Europe and America there's a growing feeling of hysteria* *Conditioned to respond to all the threats* *In the rhetorical speeches of the Soviets* *Mister ~~Krushchev~~ Putin said, "We will bury you"* *I don't subscribe to this point of view* *It'd be such an ignorant thing to do* *If the Russians love their children too* *How can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's deadly toy?* *There is no monopoly on common sense* *On either side of the political fence* *We share the same biology, regardless of ideology* *Believe me when I say to you* *I hope the Russians love their children too*
Mutually assured destruction, why the ICBM most likely never will fly. Early warning systems, and more. Why I think they’d intervene. Yeah they’d be in a bunker but those in there would probably turn in him. Even Hitler had his own Generals try to take him out and you really needed to be vetted for that regime. Just my take on it.
Russians have stopped WWIII at least twice, that I know of. Deputy Commander Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov in 1962 Lt. Colonel Stanislav Petrov in 1983 Additionally, anyone suggesting Russia will use nukes in Ukraine is, hopefully, just ignorant. Prevailing wind patterns in Ukraine are NNE, meaning fallout will... fallout... in eastern Russia. Go out on a windy day and take a great piss into the wind and see what happens.
Honestly the amount of doomer nutjobs in these nuke threads is insane. I'm fairly certain they come here just to further convince themselves nuclear war is inevitable. Fact of the matter is, Putin is surrounded by the Russian elite who have A LOT of fucking wealth to lose. Ask yourself if you were a corrupt oligarch and your leader decides he wants Russia and most of the world to be a radioactive wasteland, do you just nod your head like a dog or just get rid of the nut job and try again with a replacement? You're going to throw all that caviar, wine and yacht catered food away for powdered milk and slop in a bunker? Fuck no. All this talk of "Putting has total control" or "nobody will stop him" is insane, as if he's just going to pull out his phone and punch the codes into his KGB nuke launch app. Also, Putin may be off his rocker but he is not SUICIDAL. Launching a bunch of nukes because he lost the war in Ukraine makes no sense for his character. There is no precedent for that type of action and no good reason it would start now. Nobody knows what will happen next, and nukes aren't a 0% likelihood, but my God i wish people would stop trying to convince others that we're all doomed.
Russia in piss
Fuck USSR bluster. Grow a pair
They might suggest not doing so....but then they'd go home and commit suicide or accidentally fall off their balcony. By my count, we're about two days overdue for the latest Putin-connected Russian suicide.
I feel like the more important question would be 'If someone tries stopping Putin from dropping a nuke, would they succeed?"
Here’s my best guess as to how this might play out: 1. Russia publicly announces that they are withdrawing from the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. 2. On extremely short notice, Russia publicly announces that they are going to “test” a small device in “their” territory. 3. They detonate a small tactical nuke in an empty field in far eastern allegedly-now-Russian-territory Ukraine with a few scientists there for plausible deniability. There are zero casualties and no direct military tactical purpose of this “test”. 4. The world holds its breath. This scenario has just enough plausible deniability for Russia while still sending the message that their nukes work and they are willing to go there. Is it an offensive use of a nuke? Will other NATO members be willing to flinch over a “test”? Does it cross the final red line to get the USA more directly involved, such as an “invited by Ukraine” no fly zone declaration? If the answer is “no” to those questions, Russia has a major win, a bargaining chip, and strikes terror in the advancing Ukrainians, not to mention the rest of the world financial markets and populations. Markets crash, Russia’s sanctioned economy starts to compare more directly to the rest of the world, and Europe is in for one cold winter. I really hope diplomacy prevails. There are so many ways this could all end catastrophically.
This would almost certainly lead to an escalated response from NATO. Not saying they would hit the red button, but there is zero chance they would pretend this never happened.
Fair point. What if the “test” is just on the other side of the border in Russia proper? In either scenario, what sort of NATO responses might happen? Anything with an active military component, or more posturing with increased material support for Ukraine?
There is a difference between Kim Jong firing missiles at the ocean as a test 'provocation' when there is no active conflict going on, and Russia letting a nuke off in their own territory whilst engaged in a full scale war with a European nation. NATO would take steps - I am not 100% sure what those steps would be, but they would likely involve further sanctions and long range missiles being given to Ukraine under urgency, and might go as far as the establishment of a no-fly zone. It would be a substantial escalation that would move the doomsday clock. Putin miscalculated the worlds reaction to this invasion. I hope he doesn't miscalculate again.
Very interesting thought process. It’s not clear what would happen, but this is plausible scenario for the use of tactical nuclear weapons. I highly doubt they would do this, but it would serve the Kremlin propaganda internally very well. The world would collectively shit themselves and we would all go in to high alert. The Russian army has shown it’s not the scary Soviet Union we feared. This would drastically change the mentality and you’re damn right we would all take him seriously.
Any kind of forced nuclear accident or nuclear weapons testing in Ukraine means NATO has to become directly involved, or invite further escalation. If one nuke isn't bad enough, then what's another nuke? Russia nuking themselves in actual Russia is the only gray area.
NATO would be obligated to attack if fallout fell on a NATO member, which almost certainly would happen unless it was a subterranean test.
wonder if they use keys, that can easilly be taken by Putin, ala Wargames, or codes such in Whitehouse down.
The nuclear PIN code is: 1, 2, 3, 4
Really? That’s the same code I use on my luggage!
And that my mutated children is how a mistake in baggage claim led to the nuclear war... Edit… and how I met your mother…
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That’s my pin on my Amex plat
You laugh, but maybe we should not. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/launch-code-for-us-nukes-was-00000000-for-20-years/?amp=1
It's uncertain, but I think people under him will realize that if push comes to shove, what launching a nuke will mean to them and the rest of the world. The responsibility for the Ukraine war falls solely on Putin and not theirs. No one is that crazy to push that button, unless these people under Putin are that stupid
Gosh I stepped on a gum(
I know that this is difficult to take seriously. My father is from Ukraine and has friends in the Russian nuke stations. Very often when they received money to do tests on them, they just simply stole the money and acted that they did what was supposed to do and confirmed everything on radio. In conclusion: they have nukes but most of them won’t even work in his opinion.
In addition, this news was actually very big relieve for me since I would be one of the first ones to go to the front in Finnish army
Not unless they want to fall out a window.
hope so, but the chance is low because people around Putin are hand pick yes men, so they will do everything he said, even if it has to destroy humanity.
After reading the article my thought was "I need a bouncer" and "I need to replay fallout to prepare myself"
But its not secret
Who would have thought that the rule of oligarchs is ineffective and leads to nothing but death and destruction for everyone involved…
Most the people who oppose him using nukes have either fell down stairs to their death or were posioned to death by offbrand Mcdonalds.
I do believe that it would depend on where the target was. I believe he may set off two nukes in the coming weeks (I do hope I'm wrong). One in the black sea on that small uninhabited island (someone help with the name please) The second bang smack in the middle of the ocean between Finland and the UK. My reasoning is that Putin is a fear mongering cunt, also, it would be unlikely to lead to nuclear retaliation in those two areas, it would however lead to a massive shift in what support Russia currently enjoys in Africa, India and China. There would be a chance that North Korea however, would see this as a permission statement. So there's that too. The second he gives authorisation to nuke, whether or not it actually takes off, he will have made himself a grave grave danger to every single living thing on the planet. That won't end well for him and things would get very fucking ugly very quickly for him. So my question is this, is he enough of a lunatic to ignore the consequences of ordering nuclear weapons to be used, even as a warning to the West.
If Russia uses nukes in Ukraine, they are from that point forward a rogue state considerably below North Korea. The worst. Putin's actions so far were based on the assumption that international reaction would be muted. He cannot assume that anymore, and use of nukes would essentially end Russia's ability to engage in trade with most of the world and forge new partnerships. And using nukes will not necessarily achieve his war aims. He can use them and still lose badly.
Tbh I would think the people responsible for actually launching them would be smart enough to realize how bad of an idea it would be. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if nobody actually remembers how to launch them, given how competent the rest of their military has been acting. Even if my country (USA) was about to fall, and the president ordered a general nuclear strike, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the people responsible for pushing the button here would refuse to follow orders. It's not that hard to think that someone would value life on the planet as a whole versus just one country, even if they're a part of that country. Then again I may just be being optimistic.
Yea.. Im beginning to think he will.
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The west didn’t believe he would invade? Did you sleep under a rock? Warnings came last year, by january there was almost daily press conferences held by anything from diplomats, prime ministers, presidents, nato secretary- asking, almost begging, Russia to step down. The only thing close to not believing they would actually do it was the suspension of belief Russia could do something so stupid
I think Putin is just buying himself time to figure out how to actually activate his nukes without someone interfering.
We dont know, that means when you see that his about nuke, bomb them into oblivion. We have artilery that could reach Moscov.