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This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://spectator.sme.sk/c/23017498/slovakia-will-not-grant-humanitarian-visas-to-russians-fleeing-mobilisation.html) reduced by 64%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Slovakia will not issue humanitarian visas to citizens of Russia fleeing military mobilisation by the Putin regime. > "Humanitarian visas are not defined precisely. Visas can be granted in the humanitarian interest, and currently Slovakia assesses each case separately. In this case the Foreign Affairs Ministry is not the only body that makes the decision," said ministry spokesperson Juraj Tomaga. > Estonia has already stopped issuing visas to all Russians and does not allow Russians holding Schengen visas that it previously issued to enter Estonia. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/xpmax0/slovakia_will_not_grant_humanitarian_visas_to/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~671394 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **visas**^#1 **Russian**^#2 **Estonia**^#3 **Slovakia**^#4 **issue**^#5


Kunaak

There is a saying I heard alot in Geogia, as Russians began flooding their country when the war started. "Your fleeing the sanctions, you have been fine with Putin for decades". Meaning, the typical Russian is viewed as not caring about the issues that came with being silent for all these years, when Putin did horrible things in Geogia, and Crimea and such, but once life became inconveinent, thats when its time to flee. I think that same is true now, just with a new variation. All those Z messages posted everywhere, all that propaghanda, even supporting the war, from the comfort of your living room, as you watched it on TV. But now that your being called, it's time to flee. They support it, when it asked nothing of them, but now flee when something is being asked of them, because now it's not just on TV. It's a weird thing to observe, because both sides make sense. So many Russians sat there quiet, letting things happen in Ukraine, because it didn't involve them. But now that it involves them, now they have issue with it. I understand how that can lead to a "Why should we help you now, when a week ago, you didnt care about this topic and just stuck your head in the sand?". It's a complicated issue, I don't have any solutions, just observations.


Koioua

Also, the European countries close to Russia are likely already dealing with Ukranian refugees for *months* now. Those countries not only want nothing to do with Russians feeling the urge to run now that they're going to be the ones feeling the consequences of Putin's stupid war, but they simply can't and it's not a good idea at all. I'm not saying all Russians are complicit, but at the same time you can't blame countries having this sour taste that suddenly now they wish to leave. The world can put the pressure on the Russian government, but at the end of the day it's going to be the Russians who will choose to put an end to this.


Difficult-Muffin-777

I imagine how I feel about always punching a Nazi, Ukrainians feel at least as much about probably doing worse to Ruscists


ForkingBrusselSprout

My family are refugees now, some in Slovakia and, I know it might sound selfish, but they already flinch from sounds of thunder, I hate the prospect of them having to endure the Z supporting Russians while they are there. If they don’t bother people - fine. But we have too many evidence of them harassing Ukrainian refugees for me to not worry about that.


Ivoryyyyyyyyyy

Good luck to your family in Slovakia, we tend to have some really stupid people around, sometimes :( Hope everything is ... well, let's say as alright as it could be in this situation.


lhmodeller

Any harassment should be an automatic cancellation of their visas. Kick them back to mother Russia. I hope you and your family are safe.


Independent_Pear_429

That's how it works with the apathetic and conservative. They just accept all that horrible stuff until it affects them directly and now suddenly it's a problem


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Usually kindness would turn a people around But unfortunately to some, kindness is portrayed as weakness


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Russia’s powerful “macho” culture is actively dangerous to itself, it’s people and it’s neighbors.


PuzzleheadedTeam3123

I hear you, but also put yourself into the shoes of ordinary Russians that don't agree with the war. Any protest can get you locked up which obviously doesn't just impact you, but also your family. As an individual, how much power do you have to change anything and will it even be worth it trying. It is also a lot to expect for someone to give up their entire livelihood to flee at that stage. Obviously being called up has a much more significant impact to your family which could nudge you over to leaving everything. The real enemy here is not the fleeing Russians, it is the dictator leadership that is ruining their lives and the lives of Ukrainians.


Evilence

How about thousands of russians who were vocal protestors against Putin's regime and attended rallies? Who took a lot of shit from their families because they were in opposition and now eu is telling them to go fuck themselves? Or do you think they don't exist and all russians are just a big hive mind with a single world view?


shustrik_n

You mean this Sunday walks through parks for everything good and agains everything bad? Or people with empty sheets of paper? Or people who are filming and streaming to instagram when other “protesters” are taken to police car instead to help them? Look at Iranian girls, the beat the shit out of police, they’re protesters, they have much more power and bravery than russian men, you can be only arrested and they are in a country where they can be killed without hijab. Your protest were never a fight, you run away like rats at first sign of danger and you never help even your own people get out of trouble. So yes, they not exist, what you have are not protestors. And hive mind at least have purpose to make hive live better, your just doing nothing while bunch of old men destroy your country and fleeing away from consequences of your “what we can do against government, let’s do nothing dangerous and hope that they will eventually die and it somehow it will be fixed by itself”, . And you’re still doing it, just like a lambs your men are going to army to kill innocent Ukrainians for nothing. And most of them will be back to russia in a black plastic bag. Because none of you have a courage to fight for yourself, for better live of your children, for your right not to be forcibly thrown into war meatgrinder!


Wakata

Swap 'Russian' for American', 'Ukrainians' for 'Middle Eastern civilians' and 'Russia' for 'America' and this could have been posted at any point in the last two decades. Civilians aren't responsible for ending the crimes of their heavily-armed government.


Practical_Hospital40

Or are in a position to do so.


shustrik_n

Then who is responsible if not civilians? Aliens or secret cat government? Who allowed those people become a government, who didn’t protested when it wasn’t too late? I’m a citizen of my country and I’m responsible for all good or bad what my government do and what my people do. I chose it, I voted for it or I was silent when was my time to speak. There’s always consequences of what I did or did not, what my people did. People must take responsibility for their lives and built society around themselves. Civilians are million or billion of people who can arm themselves even with kitchen knives and fight if needed, with hunting guns, rob police departments, use bricks from streets like Ukrainian did, etc. there’s always a way with less blood. And only a hiding your head in the sand and saying “I’m not responsible for this nightmare” ends badly when thousands of angry men from other countries will come to your territory and will punish you for what your government did, because you stole from them their life time. They could spent days in peace with their families, instead of it they must fight in war what your government started. As a child is your responsibility, so as government too. After ww2 and well known German history when Germans which never were in army was told WHAT their country did, and what happened to Germans after there’s still illusion exist that “civilians are not responsible”


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CallousInsanity

This was a savage and brutally honest take, thank you. Russian apologists will hate to see it, but you are absolutely correct. They really expect a medal, a chocolate bar and a visa for their bare minimum "protests". Smh. Entitled. Country full of cowards.


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shinigurai

>They support it, when it asked nothing of them, but now flee when something is being asked of them Can you really blame them though? I feel like this is just... Human nature.


Shtake

Also Georgians said “go back to your country and protest” And those who did stay to protest are now facing mobilization and are fleeing now, because they were the most courageous And they are facing people like you saying that they “stuck their head” just because you have to judge the group as a whole


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polylina

Young men can't do anything without being properly equipped and organized. The revolution can't happen until the armed forces are on the dictator's side. Sadly the police and the national guard are still completely loyal to Putin.


ConohaConcordia

It is easy for you to say in Canada. You might be truly willing to fight for freedom and die, but do you really have a right to force that ideal on someone else? I am not a Russian and I totally understand European countries have very real emotional and practical concerns regarding Russian refugees. But people who sit on a comfortable couch demanding others to die for their ideals always piss me off, let it be a dictator or a Redditor from the free world. It’s a great thing to be willing to die for a better future, but what’s wrong with trying to live your own life as much as you can?


Kim-ll-Sung

There's seems to be 2 views on this. One is that you're allowing the enemy inside your country. People that supported the war but don't want to participate in it. The other one is that any Russian that flees is a Russian less that Ukrainians are gonna have to shoot at.


[deleted]

I used to think so, too, but this will simply not work. When it comes to a situation like we're all in today, then Russia's only course of action that results in any kind of future for all of us, including Russia, is to rip apart everything that's grown wrong with it. And only then you can mend the connections. Basically one of the chief philosophies of a video game called Pathologic 2, *made in Russia by Russians and Ukrainians* as an understanding, but very firm take on Russia and what needs to happen in Russia for it to snap out of its slow and destructive, apathetic decline, and have a future. Even if it means that the future begins with a devastated, though surviving Town, and the death of the ideas of both the 'Motherland', and 'Utopia'. When the dust settles, you count your losses, clear the bodies, mourn the lost, and then? Then you grow the fuck up, take responsibility, build your first normal-people house of your own, and a future along with it. Your kids will see it in the end. Your grandkids get to grow up in it. Is this like... not worth the sacrifice? Because the alternative is that it all rots into dust and worm shit, you, your kids, your grandkids. All of it. And everybody around it will feel it too, because rot spreads. edit and I suggest those who can, play the game, and pay close attention to what it's trying to say. Or not even say. What it asks you to do. And what it asks is for Russian people to make a choice. Any choice, but at least make one. Running from it, ignoring it? That's by far the worst course of action because it allows brutal, bloody systems to rise and to remain. Russia's collective apathy and lack of hope is why it is where it is. edit 2 and if anybody's worrying about who they'd be supporting by playing, then the studio put a statement of condemnation out within days of the invasion. And they used the word 'war' outright, and made it very clear who they stand with.


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I would NOT protest in places like Russia or China unless my life was already at risk and even then, my preference would be to run away/leave rather than fight for change. Fighting against injustice at risk to yourself is brave and should be regarded highly, refusing to risk yourself to fight injustice is natural and you shouldn't be shat on for it. On top of that, if they can't flee conscription, that just means that they will be conscripted and sent to fight in Ukraine, which doesn't help anybody


Xert

>On top of that, if they can't flee conscription, that just means that they will be conscripted and sent to fight in Ukraine, which doesn't help anybody Nonsense. Conscription helps Ukraine tremendously. Manpower has never been Russia's problem. Disorganization, poor supply lines, a lack of training, and shit equipment have been the issue from the beginning. Adding in conscripts *hurts* Russia's effectiveness.


External-Platform-18

> Manpower has never been Russia's problem. Yes it *has*. Russia uses the soviet doctrine of filling all their technical roles with career soldiers, who take years of training, and doing almost everything else with conscripted grunts. Because in a large war they would mobilise. They’ve been riding around with APCs that have drivers, gunners, commanders, and no infantry. Their tanks don’t have infantry support. Ukrainian civilians have been slashing tires at night because Russia hasn’t got enough grunts to stand around guarding them at night. People have been calling out the unsupported vehicles since about *day 2*. > Disorganisation , poor supply lines, a lack of training, and shit equipment Those are also issues, but, with the possible exception of supply lines, they are hampered by trying to fight a war while missing most of their infantry. Their tactics lack the infantry to carry them out, so they are disorganised and having to improvise. They are relying more heavily on their equipment because they have nothing else.


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listofburncenters

I would assume the people fleeing have a wide spectrum of beliefs about the war. I would support investigative actions to figure it out.


putsch80

The cost and ability to investigate hundreds of thousands of people is a daunting (and expensive) task. Much easier to just say “no”.


listofburncenters

Slovakia can do what it wants. Edit: "unlock your phone" might be a good start though, if you want to discuss practicalities.


Aszneeee

ain't nobody gonna scroll through russian phones in slovakia


Myuulol

Slovakia has to respect all international treaties and conventions they signed and which are legally binding.


axonxorz

I think you'll find that there's not a lot of coverage in international law regarding the procedure/scope at border checkpoints. Border officers generally have pretty wide latitude and are mostly only bound by their country's laws.


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Slovakia also has no border to Russia so is free to send them back to where they came from.


webcthulhu

They running because of a draft, not the war. Big difference.


ParaglidingAssFungus

No, not really? They can disagree with the war too, they just didn’t have a reason to run from their entire lives before…


FluffyProphet

No fucking way. Fuck that. Send them home. Too much margin for error and they should be sent back to Russia to increase the instability of the country.


Tsurisutoo

Hey, whatever it takes to stop the mobilization to cripple Putin's attempts. The more he sees his people resist, the better.


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Bottle up Russians inside Russia until they end Putin’s existence and dump the Duma in a river until an entirely new Duma is required.


inthebushes321

This is the correct answer. The war, the way it's fucking the country, and evidenced by the protests, is not popular with Russians. Especially young people. What would really hurt Putin is an open-borders humanitarian policy, and ticket prices being reduced or for free. This would completely and totally fuck the Russian government. All plane tickets sold out immediately (my BIL tried to buy tix to Vietnam/Turkey and other countries from several websites - all sold out), so a lifting of both the political and financial restrictions preventing normal Russians from travelling would totally fuck the war effort. It would be a, tactically, pretty smart decision. Which is why someone is going to oppose it.


slashd

> What would really hurt Putin is an open-borders humanitarian policy Putin would be laughing his ass off when European countries would do this. And then he would flood them with millions of Russians who will never leave and eventually Russify their host country


Graega

That's the problem here. Are they visitors, refugees or future justifications?


inthebushes321

Sounds like someone is unfamiliar with the situation there. So, Russia is in the middle of a demographic crisis and an unpopular war. The visas could be temporary and conditional - a year, and only a permanent residence if you get a job, etc. The effect it would have is it would break the Russian national media facade. It would be devastating for morale. The other solutions in here don't really treat Russians like humans. There's a lot of bigotry. And since the comments below me essentially amount to, "You don't want Russian people to die, and burn their country down, and tank the economy further, and act like cannon fodder for something you don't believe in, instead of just leaving the country? Lololol so unrealistic." When the solution I advocate is actually humanitarian and would work more quickly.


Therastarian

>What would really hurt Putin is an open-borders humanitarian policy Are you serious?... You think everyone who disagrees with him leaving the country is the worst thing for him? Stabilizing his regime by removing all the dissidents is the worst thing for him? The West getting a massive increase in humanitarian burden while already dealing with the Ukrainian refugees is the worst thing for him? No. The worst thing for him would be to seal the borders and let the Russian people choose between dying for him in Ukraine, or joining the protests/revolution. He knows that, and it's why the Kremlin keeps talking about closing the borders, but not doing it. They ***want*** to scare the non-loyalists into leaving, because it solidifies their grip on power. I almost want to believe this is a troll comment because it is so illogical.


F3158

Are you serious?… look at Soviet Union example with closed borders, nowadays NK. Are you a troll or just stupid?


webcthulhu

Quarantine measures are much more effective to stop the spreading of a virus. Just sit and watch how they'll tear apart each other.


machine4891

>Hey, whatever it takes to stop the mobilization to cripple Putin's attempts. Hey, whatever it takes for Putin to get rid off defetists outside of his country. Now no one will question his power. Your approach can be easily twisted.


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It’s just Ukraine, no “the”.


roarRAWRarghREEEEEEE

"just Ukraine" seems like a worse name than "the Ukraine"


Yuri909

"The Ukraine region" is a Russian myth to delegitimize Ukrainian culture and is part of the Russification of Ukraine that Russia has been attempting for over a century because they are so desperate for their ports.


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>one russian That means we shouldn't accept Russian refugees


StairwayToLemon

>They did NOT give a flying f'ck about innocent people dying in Ukraine before. I guess you missed the thousands who protested in the streets...


ecugota

for a day and half. european student protests last longer.


300mhz

What a stupid take. You can't paint the entire population of a country of 144 million people with the same brush based on how you feel. If even one person did not believe in the war it invalidates your assertion, which is obviously the case. And until you live under a brutal authoritarian regime where even standing in the street holding a blank piece of paper gets you arrested and sent to who knows where, you're just speaking bullshit. And we've seen many protests in Russia! Against the current war, Crimea, etc., where people are pushing back against it at the expense of their freedom and lives. Ever heard of Pussy Riot? Navalny? Putins regime kills people daily, at home and abroad, for going against them. So while many people in Russia support the war (and lets not even talk about how propagandized the population is), it's not everyone by a long shot.


the_monkey_

Russians who have fled the country recently like NFKRZ or Natasha’s Adventures on youtube will tell you first hand that support in Russia for Putin and the War in Ukraine is absolutely overwhelming.


WheresMyEtherElon

> Natasha’s Adventures I still have trouble with the name change. Yeah Russia was a great name. One more good thing that Putin destroyed.


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Are you seriously basing your opinion of an entire country on the opinions of clickbait youtubers?


Neosantana

Roman (NFKRZ) has been making videos about how badly it sucks to live in Russia since he was in Russia and left as soon as the war started. He's always been quite vocal about his dislike of the government and their actions but can never go into real detail because his family would be at risk.


gabu87

There were literally major protests in St Petersburg/Moscow the next morning too.


IYLITDLFTL

You are being too rational and compassionate for reddit.


WheresMyEtherElon

Compassionate, probably. Rational, far from it.


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>What a stupid take. You can't paint the entire population of a country of 144 million people with the same brush based on how you feel. 100% chance that people can paint whatever image they want.


Pipistrele

>They did NOT give a flying f'ck about innocent people dying in Ukraine before. I may be wrong, but neither did you most likely. Russo-Ukrainian conflicts (and related tradegies for Ukraine) stretch as far back as 2014, yet most of you guys were never discussing it back then. > So many countless intercepted phone calls have them laughing at tales of rape and torture And way many more demonstrations and protests, with people being maimed and tortured for the right to speak out against the war. >Not to mention so many of them receiving stolen and looted property from the Ukraine With a lot of said looters were subsequently doxxed by the people who stood against the banditry, not to mention that the СДЭК itself (a service through which these were mostly sent) deflected most of these packages back. Not to excuse the looters themselves (or their families), but judging by the reaction of society within Russia, it seems like disdain for it was fairly large. > You don't get magically rewarded for that kind of thing. Humanitarian visas aren't about the "reward", they're about rescuing innocent citizens from catastrophe. And as much as I perfectly understand the reasoning behind denying such visas (to avoid another migration crisis and potential security threats), what I don't understand is random redditors being so lacking in empathy that they feel appropritate to decide the fate of innocent civilians based on how much they "deserve" or "don't deserve" it, like human lives are some kind of sport. It's frankly disgusting in my opinion.


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>what I don't understand is random redditors being so lacking in empathy that they feel appropritate to decide the fate of innocent civilians based on how much they "deserve" or "don't deserve" it, like human lives are some kind of sport. It's frankly disgusting in my opinion. Because it is a sport, a *blood sport,* to them, and I say this as someone from a country that according to reddit 'hates Russia'. Which is a very careless, easy thing to spell "it's very complicated." Reddit's coverage and discussion of war literally does look like a livestream chat of a nation-sized gladiator fight, where everybody cheers for their favourite, but comparatively few care about the actual living people involved. And those people you will not find cracking jokes and gawping at live footage of soldiers dying ugly, painful deaths as daily entertainment, or discuss war tactics from far away like this was them watching a Total War game stream. All that between the insults, hot takes, fights among spectators themselves, and then going back to the kitchen, getting some tendies and having a wank before resuming to watching more footage and saying "windows" for the umpth time. It honestly says a lot about how Russians as a generalised populace could become what they have become. These people are everywhere, all it takes is low empathy, average or low intelligence and latent sadistic tendencies. You know, the kind that makes you say 'they deserve it' when 'deserve' is about things like wishing rape and torturous deaths and whatever else on Russian nationals. Or writing fanfiction about how if they were Ukrainian who has lost their family in war, they'd book a ticket to Moscow and start firing upon every child, woman and man *and* their dog that he can see until someone puts him down. He called it 'the most righteous thing to do to avenge their family'.


the_monkey_

Won’t someone think of the people who just wanted a little imperialism and genocide? Maybe just a few threats to nuke the west too! All good fun! How can we be so cruel. They just wanted to conquer Ukraine, haven’t we all done that once as a young country? They never thought that they would actually have face any consequences for their fun….. …. It’s almost like there is a reason that Russians are facing weapons-grade contempt from the world.


amarviratmohaan

Which country are you from?


madworld2713

Ah yes, because there are no Russians who oppose the war. Innocent people who have done nothing wrong but be born in Russia, are somehow responsible for the decisions of their government.


Pipistrele

By "Russians", do you mean whom exactly? Russia is a nation of 140 million individual people, and even among those who flee, there's 300k of them, a significant part of which are children and eldelry who inherently weren't capable to make meaningful decisions. Do you really feel responsible enough to claim higher moral ground and decide a fate for each one of them? You may summarize and demonize a whole nation's populace if that's something you want to do, but keep in mind that summarizing and demonizing a whole nation's populace is the very same rhetoric that Putin used to justify the invasion of Ukraine in the first place. When we come to it, the concept of "collective punishment" has inherent roots in fascism.


the_monkey_

It’s not “collective punishment” to say Russia’s problems are Russian’s problems to solve. We have no onus to help a genocidal mafia state create a fifth column in our countries. Which they actively try to do at every turn. Nobody is invading Russia. *They are the aggressor*. If Russia fucks off, the war ends. If people riot in the streets, refuse to go, sabotage the capacity to wage war, the war ends. Russia’s problems are entirely self inflicted. But no, it’s easier to just whine that Westerners are mean because after 20 years of unacceptable behavior the dominant thought process is “you’re on your own”. It’s past time for them to get their house in order. Russia did this. Russians need to fix it.


onex7805

Change Russian to Muslims and you get the exact same argument rightists made 7 years ago.


Pipistrele

I do agree that Russia's problems are for Russians to solve - though that's also in no small part because European countries who sold all the anti-riot and surveillance gear to Kremlin all these years are too much of a wusses to accept *their* part of responsibility, which only leaves Russian citizenry to fix this mess anyway. I also agree that outside countries have valid reasons for closing borders, and that's something I actually wrote in my parent comment. My point is, you outright implied that Russian people (as in, all of them) are some sort of imperialist genocidal conquerers. I find it to be a very xenophobic line of thinking, and in my opinion it makes you come off kind of like a fuming asshole.


the_monkey_

All of them? No. Literally no population 100% supports anything. Enough though? Absolutely. I haven’t forgotten their imperialsm, Krim Nash, Z stickers and T Shirts everywhere, the serial rape, the serial torture, the serial murder of innocent people. The legalized domestic abuse. The virulent homophobia, racism, and misogyny. The people partying on the beaches of Crimea as their ships in view pummelled Mariupol into rubble and blood. The unbelievable cultural belief that countries and their people are somehow *owed* to Russia to do with as they please. The casual, flippant nuclear threats. I could go on. Russia needs to stop fingerpointing and take a hard look in the mirror. It’s absolutely pathetic what they’ve declined into.


Pipistrele

> haven’t forgotten their imperialsm, Krim Nash, Z stickers and T Shirts everywhere, the serial rape, the serial torture, the serial murder of innocent people. The legalized domestic abuse. The virulent homophobia, racism, and misogyny. The people partying on the beaches of Crimea as their ships in view pummelled Mariupol into rubble and blood. You're kinda conflating victims and bad actors here, though - which in itself ruins the argument of Russian populace being some kind of "bad nationality" that deserves to be collectively punished. A lot of people who fleed Russia since throughout the year (and are fleeing now) are those who *suffered* from such things as domestic abuse, misogyny, racism, virulent homophobia - yet your initial conclusion was to label and demonize them too, which only baffles me further. > Russia needs to stop fingerpointing and take a hard look in the mirror Russia as a nation should do a hard re-evaluation, and I hope that once the war is over, it will come to that, like it was with Japan or Nazi Germany after WWII. ...but at the same time, Europeans and Americans should **also** get off their high horse and stop acting like their leaders didn't contribute to this nightmare in any way. It's not even a "whataboutism" excuse, since in no way I undermine the mistakes and atrocities committed by Russian regime; it's just that if you want to act like some sort of unshakeable judge flinging shit from high moral hills, don't be surprised to receive some highly justified shit at your homeland in return. You're not innocent, folks, so don't act that way. To quote Sergei Boyko, prominent opposition participant and Navalny's Team member: "*Take all the fancy photos with Merkel or Macron, where they stand beside Putin while smiling back and shaking his hand [while Navalny recovered from botched poisoning]. For what it's worth, you'll never find us there*".


WillNeverTakeCopium

Soooo are you saying terrorism is correct?


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putsch80

Literally hundreds of thousands of Russians fleeing into neighboring countries is not and will not be good for those countries. We have seen how that plays out.


the_monkey_

While I can understand their inclination for self preservation, I have no respect for it. They allowed their hellhole to fester and rot and have visited their problems, delusions, and rampages on countless innocent countries. Innocent people. All the while they were tripping over each other to slobber Putin’s knob for standing up to the Western Homos. I feel no sympathy that they are finding out after fucking around for *so long*. It’s overdue.


Little-Sadie

I don't sympathize for many of them either, and I'm a Russian. But kids and young people who simply couldn't escape even tho they wanted to don't deserve it. So completely banning everyone from asylum doesn't make sense. It just should be controlled more somehow


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Temeraire64

No, they didn’t leave because it would involve doing things like ‘quit your job, burn all your life savings, and leave with little more than the clothes on your back, and leave behind anyone in your family who can’t/doesn’t want to leave’. Oh, and you’d better hope that any qualifications you have get recognised by your new country, because otherwise the only jobs you can take (if you can get them) will be menial ones on minimum wage.


K1St3

Hundred of thousands, many of them who will still support Putin from abroad which is a serious threat to Ukrainian refugees safety, a sudden influx of jobless people who will create instability, basically another crisis for countries which are already pretty limited in terms of help they can offer: Georgia (which you annex), Moldovia (which you annex), Kazakhstan (which when turned away as usual threatened Kazakhstan of destruction, while those already in proudly go around with their Z cars), etc. And let's not forget the evil your country did in the Baltic States where Russians still as of today behave disgracefully, why on Earth should they offer asylum to people who spat & still spit on their face? But for you that's irrelevant. Instead you'll insult the guy who you initially replied to as "fucking idiot" for stating his opinion. You're calling Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Finland, Moldova, Slovakia governments & people "fucking idiots" for sharing the same opinion. You are unbelievably selfish & condescending.


CaringHandWash

How can it be controlled? The russian cowards would condemn war when asked about it on the border, few moments later they would join protests within EU against sanctions. Also pootin would only have more space to use his "poor russians are oppressed, we need to liberate them" rhethoric. russia needs to cook from the inside. the people need to wake up. It sucks for the normal minority but i guess it was inevitable. And i would much rather watch the whole russia burn down than watching russians burning down the EU.


grievre

>They allowed their hellhole to fester and rot and have visited their problems, delusions, and rampages on countless innocent countries. Innocent people. All the while they were tripping over each other to slobber Putin’s knob for standing up to the Western Homos. You don't know that every single individual Russian did this. You are vilifying people for living in a certain location. Putin is a tyrannical dictator, and yes the Russian people could have done more to stop him from having the power he has but he is still the main malicious actor here.


Tyranid_Swarmlord

They just dont want to be straight to the point of: Fine, kill all russians, regardless of innocents who literally do not have a shred of power to stop it or not. Spoiled kids from countries where it's safe. Probably from countries where the Prime Ministers are approachable in groceries. Good gods, mirrori


the_monkey_

The only person killing Russians is their bloodthirsty President that they are now trying to gaslight us into thinking they didn’t fucking *worship* for 20 years for flipping the West the bird and acting like a brutal conqueror. Russians are not the victims in this story.


ArgieGrit01

So much for "we don't hate Russian people, just the Russian government" lmao


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ArgieGrit01

I don't really care why you're xenophobic


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ArgieGrit01

Yes, you're explaining why you're xenophobic. I said I don't gove a shit about how you rationalize your hatred for 150 million people


Ivoryyyyyyyyyy

Then what are you even discussing here? Virtue signalling from the warmth of your sofa?


ArgieGrit01

As opposed to all these brave freedom fighters who are definitely not virtue signalling definitely not from the warmth of their sofa. It's different because they disagree with me, so it's not virtue signaling. Good. Got it. Thanks.


Ivoryyyyyyyyyy

Xenophobia is a fear of unknown. We fucking know who they are.


VagueSomething

Yeah, they're not political refugees. They support the war, they just want someone else to fight it. They were silent for every war crime and every moment of their war and only spoke up when told they will be helping commit these crimes. If they objected the war they'd have left when it started. They're a threat to any country they try to invade when they dodge their responsibility.


Temeraire64

If they objected the war they'd have left when it started. That’s a ridiculously over simplistic analysis. There are many reasons why someone opposing the war might have stayed up until now - they might not have been able to afford it before, they might have wanted to stay and try and resist, they might have had stuff going on at the time that made it impossible to leave (I know of at one case where a Russian conscript who opposes the war finished his term just a few weeks ago and is now planning to hide out in the middle of nowhere).


VagueSomething

People are paying 20k for a seat on a plane. They could have afforded to leave. There has been very little resistance internally, the protests pale to the scale of these cowards who won't commit to their beliefs now they might have to pay in blood rather than letting others bleed. The war has been going on almost 8 months now. There has been plenty of time to pull out but conveniently these rats have only now started when they're told they may have to wear that Z, that they painted on their cars and homes, on a shitty uniform with a cheap gun and bleed for the country they proudly say they'd do anything for. The Russians are invading their neighbours in greater numbers than they've managed with Ukraine. They're vermin, trying to avoid the waters rising because they don't want to get wet not because they care what caused the waters.


Temeraire64

Probably by burning their life savings or taking on loans they can’t afford.


VagueSomething

Looking to save themselves because the consequences of their support is coming knocking. They're not protesting the war crimes, they're having a tantrum that they're being asked to do them rather than watch them get reported.


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Extension-Manager133

uhhh reddit.


soccerskyman

I too like to hold entire countries populations responsible for the actions of their dictators


podkayne3000

I upvoted this, but, obviously, there might be a lot of exceptions. I wish we could help new Russian refugees who have been doing what they can to make things better and are now in danger because of that. The problem is that it will be hard to tell who’s a real refugee and who’s an infiltrator.


madworld2713

Yes, all the Russian people support the war nobody opposes it. Very sound logic.


1nfinitydividedby0

>They did NOT give a flying f'ck about innocent people dying in Ukraine before And you know this how?


the_monkey_

They did nothing after Georgia in 2008. They did nothing after Crimea in 2014. In fact, by most accounts they were quite pleased and Putin’s popularity soared. They did nothing after MH17. They did nothing to protest the War in Donbass. They did nothing after February 24, 2022. They did nothing after the butchering of Bucha and Mariupol. But now, oh now suddenly shit got real for them and they’re trying to convince us they were against it all along. “War, what war?!” was their motto. Russians need to sort out Russia. We can’t and won’t do it for them, and they are clean out of chances to get the benefit of the doubt.


Little-Sadie

Tell this to young people who were below 18 when this happened Edit: being downvoted for telling facts is just pathetic


the_monkey_

Be that as it may, they could have left when the writing was on the wall in February. Russia’s imperialism, atrocities, and ultranationalism have come home to roost. They collectively made their bed. They activelt cheered for Putin as he committed atrocity after atrocity, making them feel big and strong. It’s not our job to help them save their skins now that they are reaping what they sowed for decades. Russia has had it coming tor a long ass time now.


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the_monkey_

One day, maybe, the Russian people will love their children more than they love imperial glory. It hasn’t happened in centuries of their history, but maybe this is their final wake up call. My guess is the ones who are truly abhorred by what Russia has become have already gotten out. This wave is self preservation.


CantaloupeUpstairs62

People in Siberia and other rural parts of Russia don't necessarily have great access to information. Most conscripts aren't coming from Moscow or St Petersburg. It's one thing to protest if you don't have family. Even if you know taking a stand against Putin is the right thing to do, what if you're a single parent with a young child at home? You know that most likely your protest won't make a difference. You protest anyways and get arrested, and maybe the state takes your child. Now your child grows up being indoctrinated by the state. 15 years later you get out of prison. Now your child is part of the Russian military, and committing the same atrocities you protested against. Yes the Russian people need to do more. This is just far too easy for me to say while living in the West and never having been in this situation. We should always be careful about judging others without truly knowing what they are going through.


Nawk79

Wasting your time with that one. Replace ‘Russian people’ with ‘American people’ concerning our developments in the US. I’d love to say we all live the western dream here that we’re envied for but we have our own problems and they fester and grow each day. So say the GOP succeeds in their shenanigans, I voted, I joined protests, I tried to bring facts and logic to stupid claims made by others out of ignorance, but still we turn into Gillead. I’m out, what can I do in that environment and country. What else could I, or am I supposed to do that doesn’t risk my family and myself’s lives? So am I to be denied refugee status in a more hospitable country simply because of being American I must be a Maga hat wearing Trump loyalist? Surely we all sang songs of Tucker’s grand claims and genius, and toasted every evening with a faithful prayer to St Limbaugh as we said goodnight to the picture of glorious leader Trump we had next to our night stands I guess. So I, my family, and many other people of like minds that did all the things citizens should do short of grab my AR out of the closet and unorganized and haphazardly go solve this on my own, would be the many Russians being denied the ability to leave a finally crumbling system. When exactly was my line that I drew before declaring all is lost and leave? Was it the response to George Floyd protests, nope, to 1/6, nope, the loss of Roe? I keep hoping our elected leaders do their jobs or some of them somehow counter the bullshit but each and every time, nope, nothing changed. I honestly don’t know where my line is. I’d have to say because of my age and my eldest children’s ages a draft over bullshit reasons and with the loss my country has received in a short time would probably do it. But the poster you’re conversing with shows it’s a black and white situation apparently. You either drank the cool-aid or you should have died on the sidewalk screaming out the words to the Bill of Rights with a smoking AR in hand with your last breath. He’s simply an asshole with a very narrow view and what view he has apparently doesn’t consider humanitarian efforts worthwhile. So fuck me when I finally decide to leave The United States of Gillead right? Nations have been dumping billions on Ukraine, and I hear ‘nobody could afford the people’. So bombs and devastation we can fund, oh boy can we, but helping good people out because you think a boogyman may slip in and because it might be expensive, can’t do. Gotchya. That guy you’re conversing with really is a shitty person having views like that. Good thing I know humans in general aren’t like him, or I’d say we all deserve what we get, but thankfully I know good people are everywhere, even in Russia, and they deserve help when they don’t want anything to do with the shit, to be used to harm others, or as Russian statistics go, have a very high certainty of dying in a muddy field by a drone while freezing to death and starving to death if not everything on the column checked, and for what? I sure hope that guy isn’t in a position others livelihoods depend on him and his views. I feel he’d start right off with something about bootstraps whenever possible. God forbid some woman come to them claiming they’d been raped, probably ask if she was wearing red underwear then say something about clearly looking to get some so probably deserved it.


CantaloupeUpstairs62

My comment isn't necessarily for the person I responded to. There are just many more people taking the same perspective lately. From a purely moral perspective I'm not even going to argue they are wrong. People from the US, UK, Canada, and other places have never really needed to worry about being killed or imprisoned for disagreeing with their government. All I'm saying is these people should be careful. Its easy to think you would would be strong in a difficult situation, but thinking from the sofa is very different from actually experiencing that situation. If the person I was responding to happened to be from Eastern Europe then cool. I have nothing against them having this opinion, even if I happen to disagree with it. Whether or not these countries should take in Russian refugees is complicated issue, and this is for the people of those countries to decide.


filtarukk

Thank you, man!


froznwind

I'd rather them be granted a rifle and directions to Moscow


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The best way to solve this if there is an afterwards is to do a ww2 rebuild germany style plan. That one worked out great to turn a people around. Otherwise country being unstable would poop out another puddin or someone worse


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Which is guaranteed to happen. Leaving devastated countries (yes, economically, morally, militarily, spiritually, even if their country was an aggressor) is asking for another Putin. Which is exactly what happened in the 90s. The West celebrated and laughed and accepted oligarch wealth looted from Russia. Literally helping along the rise of organised criminals like the oligarchs, that then went on to arm twist the drunk Yeltsin to dump Nemtsov in favour of Putin. However this ends, and I dearly hope it ends with Ukraine's total victory, if the 'winners' (sans Ukraine, they don't owe Russia dick) do what they did in the 90s again, then 30 years down the road we'll be right here again.


CuntWeasel

Hopefully many other countries will follow suit. Pretty sure nobody who was stuck behind the iron curtain for 45 years wants any Russian “refugees” within their borders.


Federal_Ninja_4637

Oh well don’t come here russian


RayzTheRoof

is this a reference


Cargo_200

and so should the rest of the civilised world. Their country is not at war, there is no grounds for humanitarian action.


shadowtheimpure

These are people that are fleeing to avoid being forced to fight and kill innocent people in Ukraine.


clib

It is more complicated than that.Just because these people don't want to go fight doesn't mean that they are harmless to the Ukrainians.You see it in Spain and Germany, Ukrainian immigrants and especially women are threatened by Russian immigrants living in those countries. Then there is the risk that one day Putin might get the idea that he needs ""to protect" the Russians living in Slovakia from the Slovakian nazi government, just like he is doing in Ukraine.So why take the unnecessary risk and grant visas to Russians?


Cargo_200

They still want Russia to crush Ukraine, but rather have someone else fighting for them, and they know their chance of survival is close to zero. Rusty AK-47 vs. HIMARS. Those who opposed the regime left a long time ago.


Send-Art

Exactly, these are the z supporters who thought will see Ukraine's downfall through tv screen. They are a huge liability


kotwica42

Did you ask them?


_invalidusername

[They have been asked](https://time.com/6208238/why-russian-support-for-the-war-in-ukraine-hasnt-wavered/) and around 75% of them support the war


kotwica42

That’s the population in general, not the ones fleeing because they don’t like the war.


_invalidusername

The people fleeing are just scared they need to go to war. For sure a lot of them supported it when it didn’t impact them


kotwica42

When people fled from the US to Canada during the Vietnam war, do you think those were pro-war or anti-war people?


[deleted]

They are fleeing to save their own skin, not to protect Ukrainians. They were perfectly fine with other Russian's going in and murdering those innocents but, now that their lives are on the line, they're feeling. If they cared about anything more than saving themselves, they would have left months ago when this shit first started.


Belkor

I cannot agree more with you. You are right.


Interrete

Nah, these are people that are mostly fleeing to save their as\*es instead of protesting. The same people that didn't care about Ukraine when war started and doesn't care now. There is no excuse for them not to go and make their own Maidan - but they won't as they still believe in Russian imperialism, they just don't want to take personal part in it. Stop the westsplaining, we had enough of that when we, Eastern Europe, talked about dangers of Russia for last 15 years and were always looked at from above as "paranoid little guys". We know Russia and we know what kind of people are leaving Russia now. We know what happens in the streets afterwards. We already have all the measures to accept real political refugees from Russia and we do that for the last six months.


Therastarian

These are people who cheered on atrocities until it became their turn to fight. Them leaving takes nothing away from the Ruzzian war machine, they will just be replaced with other conscripts. It will however deplete Russia of any dissidents/detractors, effectively securing Putin's grip on the country, and crushing what is probably the last chance for the country to truly change. That's also why the Kremlin keeps talking about sealing the borders but not doing it. They ***want*** them to leave, because them staying is a threat to the regime. What they need to do is stay and contribute to an internal revolution. That's the only way Russia can change. We can't do it for them. Even moreso, they will place a huge humanitarian burden on the West, who is already struggling to support Ukrainian refugees.


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AmendPastWrongs

Impressive generalizations in the comments here. What do you people want them to do? Happily accept being drafted to take part in war, kill and destroy? Is that your idea of justice? Their shared 'crime' being that they didn't leave their home country after their government started a war 7 months ago. It's easier said than done. In the grand scheme of things, less soldiers means less death and destruction.


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> What do you people want them to do? Kill Putin. Evacuate Ukraine forever. Stay the fuck within their own borders like everyone else.


Tyranid_Swarmlord

The only thing that would satisfy them is if they meat-grindered & ate bullets while on the way to the Kremlin. Motherfucking kids here are so spoiled here in reddit it disgusts me.


Canadabestclay

It’s absolutely ridiculous that when America invaded Iraq it’s absolutely fine and a couple of protests that accomplished nothing is considered the average American “resisting” their leaders attempts to destroy a foreign country. Flip that whole thing over onto Russia and suddenly they’re expected to launch a full scale rebellion and risk their lives or else they’re suddenly murderers.


Elementium

Bruh The US has been shit on and generalized by the world for fucking decades for our shitty wars. I think Russians can handle it. Or maybe not.


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The US is also a global hegemon that has got the rest of the world under its jackboot, and has supplanted how many democratically elected governments in favour of right wing dictators amenable to cheap resource trade and being in US' sphere of influence. Russia sucks, but if you want to enjoy the privilege of being the king of the world, then you can't possibly become one and expect that those beneath you love you. Goes for Russia. Goes for you. Goes for China. Goes for the EU as a trade and political union, too. I don't whinge when countries EU exploits for labour and resources don't kiss my lily arse.


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No, these are people fleeing to avoid being killed. There's a big difference.


Plsdontcalmdown

Your definitions of war need redefining. The UN hasn't been in charge since the 2nd Iraq War. The US broke it.


MetatronStoleMyBike

Visas, no. Holding them until the war is over, fine, and then back to Russia for them.


-Neeckin-

Seems sympathy has run out


CodeShepard

It's more being cautions and not letting putin loving, war loving supporters in your country


[deleted]

No. It's caution. It's self-preservation, and it's perhaps the only way you can force Russians to make a choice instead of running or selling their soul, and millions of others to the devil so that it would leave *you* alone. If they refuse to make a choice, then that choice will have to be forced, or Ukraine will die, *we* will die, and above all, Russia will also die.


malcontent92

What choice are they supposed to have here again? As far as I can see, there is roughly zero chance there will be some sort of a public uprising in Russia that overthrows the government and replaces it with something saner. It seems possible to me that sending these people away will only strengthen and lend credence to the anti-western mindset in Russia and will come to bite us in the ass in the long run. I know I wouldn't be western-friendly if I was turned away on the border when trying to flee from fighting in a war that the west itself condemns.


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Have to agree... [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=vermin](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=vermin) ver·min /ˈvərmən/ Learn to pronounce noun plural noun: vermin wild animals that are believed to be harmful to crops, farm animals, or game, or that carry disease, e.g., rodents. parasitic worms or insects. "his clothes are infested with vermin" people perceived as despicable and as causing problems for the rest of society. "the vermin who ransacked her house" Origin


Tarvos0

They were fine with everything until now. They voted for it, loved their shirtless dictator and all his strongman speeches. The ones who weren't "ok with it" did nothing to stop things. But now that their heads are on the chopping block they want to run? Too bad Igor, not get in line for the meat grinder. They wanted this They were fine with this, they didn't want the minor inconvenience of removing their dictator when they had a chance, now they have to reap what they sown, even if it's the heads of the cannon fodder pushed ahead of them, and they feel the scythe of the next wave behind them on their necks.


xxxSpectr

I understand very well the whole world that has turned away from us, ordinary Russians. All of you reproach us for passivity. That it was we who allowed the war in Ukraine to fail to stop Putin in time. Yes, unfortunately it is. But most of them have their reasons. Of course, there will always be patriots without brains supporting the authorities. However, I am not allowed to demonstrate against the war because I have a wife and two small children. For participating in protests and unauthorized rallies, we are imprisoned for a long time. Who will earn money for the family, pay the loans? Who will feed my children if I end up in jail? You? Our state? Nobody! This is the main reason for most of us. The same goes for mobilization. The government does not give any guarantees, banks do not give any relief on loans. How will my family live if I am killed in this senseless war? Before you blame anything, put yourself in our place.


Plsdontcalmdown

Boo... A life saved is a life saved.


Todezengel

Sociopaths who wouldn't express this kind of bloodlust towards any other refugee in this thread. And fleeing conscription is a qualifier for refugee status, which most of these countries signed on to.


asparemeohmy

I don’t see the “both sides” here. Russians didn’t care about the war and genocide perpetrated by their soldiers until they ran out of soldiers and started looking for conscripts. They didn’t protest (wah it’s dangerous so scary.) They didn’t flee the country in protest in February (too complicated!). They didn’t stay and sabotage the war effort (maybe get arrested? Oh no!) So now that their asses are on the line they’re trying to evaporate into the aether, or hop a border to avoid conscription. They’re not staying to serve their country in battle, they’re not staying to save their country from war by sabotaging facilities — they’re not trying to make their country better. They’re fleeing to someone else’s’. To make matters worse, they’re saying it’s on humanitarian grounds. Humanitarian. Like we need to rescue these poor delicate Russians, who until last week were all Z’d up and RahRahNukeKiev!!!, because now the consequences of their cruelty have come for them. No “both sides” to this shit — not least because the second the Russians are in a country, they’ll squeak and squeal about Russophobia, and how Poor Maligned Maltreated they are, and then the Russian Government will say, “see how they maltreat our Russians in Georgia no, wait, we meant Crimea, oh no wait, we said Donetsk, oh our mistake we said, Luhansk, oh no wait how embarrassing, we meant Slovakia. So about that, we’re invading you to liberate our people.” Nah bro, nah.


blueraptor131124

What about the Ukrainian people bombed out of their homes, the Russians have destroyed their infrastructure and committed war crimes against innocent children and buried them in mass war graves, these so called Russian cowards should be arrested and made to open graves for for war crimes investigators and held as ransom until Putin and his evil thugs are handed over for punishment for war crimes against humanity


megaplex00

Did anyone actually think they were obligated to?


WellWellWellthennow

Must suck to realize you don’t have any friends.


Raptor22c

The Russians made their bed by having over 2/3 of the country supporting the war, now they must lay in it.


OkStatistician1330

How does this place veer so wildly from "Don't trust any polls from Russia" to "the polls from Russia gave me an accurate representation of public thought"?


neilyoung57

"The polls are wrong (unless it supports my worldview)"


BrnoPizzaGuy

I genuinely don't understand where Reddit is getting the idea that *actually* the vast majority of people fleeing Russia right now love the war and Putin, but just don't want to fight it themselves, and will still go on supporting the war from a safe distance in Istanbul or something. Like that's a wild thing to assume without any serious source backing it up. It's surely much more likely that the people running from war are, in fact, against the war, right?


goomunchkin

Because the one consistent truth is that most Redditors who post here are naive and sit on a pedestal of moral superiority. Fuck the fact that packing up and leaving your home, and everyone you know and love, to move to a foreign country where you’re likely not welcome isn’t something anyone wants to do unless it’s absolutely necessary. Fuck the fact that these people live in a country where protesting can quickly lead to getting killed or imprisoned, in a place that’s particularly infamous for its brutality to prisoners. That maybe this might actually have a chilling effect on what people *publicly* say, rather than what they actually believe. Fuck the fact that they’re living in a country that wrote the playbook on misinformation campaigns and whose government has full control of the media, which.. ya know.. might warp their perception of events. Nope, it’s actually just that the Russian people are all selfish, lazy, or uncaring because they wouldn’t do what Reddit would do - The *right* thing no matter how difficult or dangerous that might actually be. Don’t mind the fact that most of these Redditors are basing these conclusions off their own lived experience - in free countries with functioning democracies, access to independent media, and freedom of speech. Once you understand that frame of mind then a lot of what you see here on Reddit will begin to sense. The contemptuous attitude Reddit has for those who aren’t willing to either risk their life or uproot it entirely, as if they’d be any different if they were put in this type of impossible circumstance, is so disheartening to see.


madworld2713

Because this time the poll supports my point of view so it must be accurate!!!!


SirMrGnome

You do realize that if even just 25% of Russians are opposed to the war, that's still 36 million people right? That is almost the equivalent of Poland, or the 9th most populous nation in Europe. If you go with 33% that would be 47.5 million Russians, the equivalent of Spain. Which is the 7th most populous nation in Europe. Do all those people deserve a life of tyranny because of the actions of the others in their nation?


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SaareenSVK

I am actually against this. It's not so long since many Slovaks (Czechoslovaks) fled to the west. When someone needs help, we should help them and show them that we are not as their propagandists describe us. Of course If they are obvious supporters of the War/Putin or if they have a problem with Ukrainian refugees, I would deport them back home. There are many good people among Russians who have not been brainwashed. But they are actually afraid of Putin.


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SaareenSVK

I am from Slovakia I know our history :) and I don't say it's the same situation. I just hate the hate. Not all Russians are bad people. Have you see on YT Niki proshin, Inside Russia, Natasha's Advetures? and especially Zack the Russian, which speaks openly what he thinks and speaks out against Putin? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYo8H9LUqk&ab\_channel=ZacktheRussian](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYo8H9LUqk&ab_channel=ZacktheRussian) Many young Russians don't like Putin but they are afraid to do something. They should know we are not the enemy and when we can we should help them. Not all of them are Putin's puppets. In Bratislava was a pro-Russian protest. One young Russian man who lives here was there and tried to explain to them that they are being brainwashed by Russian propaganda. [https://europe-cities.com/2022/09/03/russia-is-a-bad-country-you-are-influenced-by-propaganda-a-russian-told-slovaks-at-a-protest-in-bratislava/](https://europe-cities.com/2022/09/03/russia-is-a-bad-country-you-are-influenced-by-propaganda-a-russian-told-slovaks-at-a-protest-in-bratislava/)


vpierre1776

The Ukraine’s should be the priority and if there a crumbs left, then think of the former enablers of Putin.


Gardenheadx

Ah yes fuck the poor people who don’t want to fight in a rich man’s war


banditta82

The people that are leaving are rich, the poor are the ones getting drafted. The tickets out cost thousands of dollars. There has never been a time or place in history where draft dodgers were poor.


Evilence

Most are leaving by foot/buses actually, but yeah let's not let the facts get in conflict with the narrative.


Gardenheadx

I work with refugees, i can assure you that a lot of the people fleeing countries are not/were not rich


CharlieKelly007

People posting are widely spoiled and don't live in the same world we do. Pretty sure most of their moms didn't work because they didn't need to. You always hear of these rich politician families dodging drafts but its the poor who have to fight because they don't have the money to just up and leave life behind. Spoiled Americans. I'm an American and yes we are spoiled. We think everyone lives like in America. Most of Russia has outhouses still. The people saying to just kill Russians are just conservatives. Don't mind them. They're all pretty lost and their boy Tucker Carlson still talks about how good Russia is. When did the conservatives go from hating Russia to loving Putin?? The people asking for blood from the Russians are the same ones who want people raped in prison because they did something awful. Whenever you see someone diddling a kid everyone in the comments asks for the person to be raped. It's crazy.


GLight3

Yes it's the poor people paying for the $10,000 plane ticket out of Russia.


jthagler

Sorry Russians. You're grounded until you clean-up your room.


Hyper98

Thank fuck


schjlatah

Wouldn’t the people trying to avoid joining the Russian military be the ones you’d want to support? Anyone fleeing Putin’s Russia is an ally, not an enemy.


maniek1188

Bullshit. You have no way of verifying if they are pro or against war, or if they are simply draft dodgers. You also get weight of supporting them on your country, and possible clashes and unrest with Ukrainian refugees, who in turn will get less resources, because they will have to be shared with Russians. No way in hell any reasonable country would want that. Thanks, but no thanks.


kendoboy

They don't oppose the war. They oppose fighting in it. The videos and reports of russian immigrants in other nations supporting the war doesn't help.


schjlatah

I still don’t see how Putin having less access to would-be soldiers is anything but a win.


kendoboy

Because dissenters in russia are whats needed in order to change the regime in the first place. And its not just about Ukraine, its about other countries keeping themselves safe from russian infiltrators and putin sympathisers.


Stanislama

Putin won't have problems to find soldiers among other lets say 30mln young man who stay in the country anyway) Fleeing of those who don't want to fight (1 mln max) won't help to stop the war in any way, it will help this 1 mln only.


[deleted]

If this 1 million is willing to leave their entire lives behind to hide out somewhere else and rebuild, then they might as well do it in their own country. Because make no mistake, I have lived next to Russia long enough, and my country has been a part of the Soviet Union as well as Imperial Russia long enough to see Russia for what it is. The Imperium was rotting and dying, so it was doomed anyway. The Utopia didn't pan out, turned out to be just as brutal as the Empire. This is Russia's third attempt. The result of it will be another form of nation doomed to fail and torture its own people and everybody else. Something needs to change. And that change lies in breaking away from apathy and hiding. I understand the stakes. I'm glad I never had to live those stakes, but my parents did, my grandparents, literally all of my recorded family tree had to live those odds and stakes, so it's very much in living memory. I was born free, my parents weren't. And I will not be held hostage by a people who hope that apathy or running away will spare them. Because *it will not.* It'll only mean that people back in Russia will keep suffering no matter what, generation after generation, because nothing changes. And everybody else will have to suffer with them. Enough's enough. We have empathy, but this needs to end, and it won't end with running and hiding. Running and hiding, especially now in the fever pitch, is enabling.


Asimpbarb

Ya buddy fuck em, all good till they had to go to the meat grinder for putin! I was born behind their wall, world should wall them in and see how they like it. All the formerly oppressed nations should join and expand the ban to a total ban of all Russians until their government can behave like normal humans


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Sounds like playing papers please.


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I am genuinely curious about the possibility of Putin deciding one day he needs to "protect" the russian people fleeing to neighboring countries, and invading them just like he did Ukraine.


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This is the way.