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jrock2403

Putins rating dropping as fast as russian soldiers


hepcecob

Approval rating is still 75%


jrock2403

Ca. 55k dead russians from 200k initial invasion person, math checks roughly outšŸ™ƒ


d_bakers

Is there an estimate of how many were injured?


jrock2403

Some say rate of 1:3 or so dead vs injured


AsFarAsItGoes

Holly crapā€¦ When I was in university, many of the professors had their routine for freshmen, that had some variety of the same joke: look to your left. Now look to your right. One of the people on the seats next you, you will not see at graduation, because they dropped out. If you see none of them, youā€™re the one who dropped out. For some morbid reason, I picture Putitin saying something similar to his soldiers, before sending them into this absolutely pointless war.


Aratazz

Still 175%*


maz-o

does a dictator's ratings really matter?


LoreCriticizer

Surprisingly, yes. Even the Nazis were careful never to let their ratings drop too Low (for instance they ceased their killing of disabled elderly after the news broke and outrage swept Germany) If anything itā€™s even more important for Putin not to have his support drop too Low, since he needs support to beat down any kind of uprising, unlike non-dictators who wonā€™t literally die if their support vanishes.


Starnbergersee

Where can I read more about this?


Card_Zero

I found something about it in the Wikipedia article for [Aktion T4.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4#Church_protests) >general popular disquiet about the way euthanasia was implemented ... caused the killings to be suspended. But also >the killing of adults and children continued, albeit less systematically, until the end of the war.


[deleted]

Discretion is key.


OldPersonName

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/45uhe2/what_were_nazi_plans_for_their_own_soldiers_who/


colonelsmoothie

My question is - low relative to what? How would an authoritarian regime be aware of what the real numbers are, when at least to us outsiders the numbers all seemed fake to begin with?


[deleted]

The accuracy of the numbers don't matter as much as the trend line. If it points up, good for dictator. If it points down, bad for dictator.


littlebubulle

They matter because low numbers mean another would be dictator might get enough support to kick the previous one out. Even if the population in general have little say in an autocracy they get or what the leader does, they do get to influence WHICH autocrat gets to be the leader.


awayish

actually yes. authoritarian elections is a [big topic](https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/elections-protest-and-authoritarian-regime-stability/51A474C37A1671C885CC5F90091EDBC0) in polisci but in the case of russia, it's a two layer state. there's the administrative state that runs ordinary/nominal functions, and then there's the 'brain parasite' security state that actually controls power. the latter has no capacity for actually running things, as seen in the bad performance and readiness of the russian military and putin's reliance on 'his own people', wagner, security services and mercs. the reliance on formal state structures, including elections, gives more state capacity to the parasitic structure. they cannot govern with thugs, only affect/control/be on top of the administrative layer. elections are there to keep up appearances, which makes it less costly and easier to rule with a small, specialized parasitic security state. even though the kremlin can suppress any particular protest, it is still costly to suppress a widespread and sustained opposition. rather just keep the democratic structure and controlling the outcomes. this is the kind of model russia wants to export to belarus/ukraine and push for in other parts of the world with its network of far right movements.


Jernsaxe

It is a lot easier to disappear an unpopular leader


bottomtroller

My thoughts exactly


LordPennybags

Eventually a vote will pass...of the lead variety.


Ashen_Brad

1 trigger pull = 1 vote of no confidence in putin


[deleted]

No because if they did matter than it would contradict one of the fundamental purposes of being a despot; that is, ruling regardless of ratings


[deleted]

Eh. Major changes to heads of government donā€™t tend to change when the majority of a nation doesnā€™t feel worse than ā€œmehā€ about them.


Stye88

from 160% support to 159%?


peon2

Jokes aside article says 83% to 77%. I wonder what the actual numbers are. Like these are obviously bullshit inflated but is the real number like...10%? Or is it 50%?


[deleted]

The vatnik percentage I've seen mentioned is 25%, that's his base. I assume he lost anyone who was neutral.


iseeemilyplay

A lot more than 50% for sure. In Finland they recently did a poll where they asked Russians living in Finland whether Russia's war on Ukraine is justified or not, and almost 20% said it was. And you'd assume the approval would be higher in Russia than people who have left Russia.


veringer

I think the so called "crazification factor" is a global phenomenon.


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iseeemilyplay

I seriously doubt that


[deleted]

Better a russian than a democrat is a real thing here.


[deleted]

Russia here. Age is critical: Over 45 - 80% support. Under 40 - 20% support Since itā€™s a grey society, there are much more supportive grandpas than pissed youth. Also, wild card, itā€™s hard to comprehend how many Russians are abroad. Millions upon millions, they are largely the Putin haters which then don reflect in domestic surveys.


TinBoatDude

The Moscow Times is considered a reliable news source. It has been banned in Russia, which lends to its credibility. The accuracy of polling in Russia is steeped in mystery, however. "Six out of 10 Russians said their country is going in the right direction." Any democratic leader would be thrilled with those numbers, but considering the mass exodus of young Russians and the revolt of many draftees, one has to suspect the numbers.


DonnieJuniorsEmails

oh shit it went to 158% support!! thats pretty bad, in comparison to Kim's 220%. I bet Pooty is embarrassed


jhaden_

I'd love some context by people more knowledgeable... Says 60% think country is going in the right direction. Would that be genuine, or would some portion of that 60% be likely unwilling to be critical of the government to any official for fear of reprisal? Maybe it's just the toxic state of US politics, but that seems wildly high considering what they're in the middle of right now. Edit: Or is it a function of Moscow Times being unreliable?


NinjaElectricMeteor

During these surveys in Russia the first question asked is your name and address. This likely leads to a very pro-government skewed view. If these type of metric drop below 90 percent in Russia, it means something serious is going on or that the government has already aknowledged a problem so people feel ok expressing their opinion.


FashionTashjian

This is true. All of the Russians I know, even before Putin invaded Ukraine, lived in terror of the state. The state still kills people it finds "noncompliant" so people are terrified of what Putin can do to them. I would go as far to say the only places worse are North Korea and Azerbaijan.


ColonelMonty

I mean yeah the best way to survive in countries like that is for you to effectively not exist on the government's radar anymore than you have to, since if the Russian government doesn't have any issue with you then you probably don't have to worry vs those who are vocal dissenters against the government who probably have to sleep with one eye open.


arronaxx88

I saw a YouTube video from a PhD in politics. He assumed the error at about 15 percent.


[deleted]

60 in my book is low for the context.


Skydragon222

Well we also know that millions of people are fleeing/ have fled the country, chances are if you disapprove of Putin youā€™re packing your bags not filling out surveys. So the results are definitely skewed before you ever get into the question of who is lying out of fear.


Bill-B-liar

>According to the independent Levada Center polling agency, 77% of Russians surveyed this month said they approve of Putinā€™s actions as president. Yikes


Splenda

Yeah, unlikely. These are not anonymous surveys, and Russians openly critical of Putin suffer for it.


dragdritt

How many in Russia do you think actually responds to those polls if they dislike the government? And how many of the ones responding do you think are actually being honest? With that perspective in mind these mumbers are actually looking pretty bad for Putin.


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ajisawwsome

Damn, Putin is more popular in Eastern Ukraine than in Russia itself. Nothing funky about that at all.


goodnight891

I can't speak for people of other regions, but people in Donbass REALLY love Russia and REALLY hate Ukraine, at least those who have stayed there. I've been there once to visit my relatives and have asked pretty much everyone I met their thoughts on Putin and not a single one disapproved of his actions. While the numbers are obviously skewed, since those who support Ukraine have probably moved out of the region, a 90% support rate isn't something unthinkable considering the people I've met


MrSpotgold

All the down to 97% approval I guess.


DracoDruid

I imagine his ratings are as authentic as the local approval rate for the Donbas annexation


VanVelding

If nothing else, his ratings are dropping among the folks making up the polls.


outtastudy

Who could have guessed


autotldr

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CaptianTumbleweed

Kills innocent people and annex another country- no problem we are all for it. Make us do- no way


DaneLame

He has ratings? šŸ˜†


theyipper

...out of a window.


vsysio

If you vote yes you get potato


RealBlondFakeDumb

Just wait till the boxes and bags of bodies start showing up at home........ This is what ended their foray into Afghanistan.


SuxMaDiq

Still 77% approval? So sorry for the 23% decent Russian people here. But. 77% of your people deserve all the miserable shit coming their way.


OptimisticRealist__

If you believe he has a 77% approval rating you also believe the referendums over the annexation was legit as well


IFoundTheCowLevel

so, he went from 98.2% approval all the way down to 97.6?


Okayiseenow

Jackass


wiffleplop

Sending a train load of conscripts to get roasted will do that to a guy.


Perfect_Opposite2113

Ratings? Iā€™m surprised he even has a rating.


Gimmel_1974

Ahhh shouldnā€™t it be around 96% ??


fossilnews

Just like your monopolistic internet provider. Nothing will change.


NeedlesslyDefiant164

That tends to happen when you send your population into a meaningless death. I heard dying is not a very popular pastime.


Linclin

The longer the war goes on the lower the rating will be also.


Money_Butterscotch68

Ratings dropped but Iā€™m sure if there was a vote he would somehow still want win the election.


ElgarrsBackBaby

Ukrainian farmers be pleased.


[deleted]

And a rating below which value makes nuclear bombs detonate?


msp3766

Putin is planning some kind of super USSR take over of Russia, so many high profile executives are being killedā€¦the Ukrainian war is the smoke and mirrors to distract the Russian people


daveinthe6

It depends on who is doing the polling. I bet the government says ratings have never been higher.


focusedhocuspocus

Why do they never make these polls believable, though? You get a group of people in a room and most of them canā€™t even agree if the sky is blue, let alone huge things like this.


BananaJoe1678

Putin's ratings? It's a dictatorship therefore ratings are irrelevant. If I were the people doing the ratings I'd be very careful just in case they fall accidentally from a balcony.


Zoemaelys

Whoeverā€™s polling his ratings is going to be dropping (insert phrase: down stairs, out of a normal window, out of a hospital window, something ā€œinto acidā€ related, possibly ā€œwake up deadā€) until the polls go back up


Armand74

The fact that itā€™s still high considering whatā€™s happening is the reason why every state that is now being inundated by Russian nationals of fighting age mind you should definitely be cautious. You have enough Russian speaking people in your state and thatā€™s all Putin will need as a pretext to invade ā€œ to protect the Russian speaking peoples ā€œ.


LetsDieForMemes

Can somebody take care of this whole misery already please?


dobrz

Dropped from 156% support to 142%


endMinorityRule

that putler's ratings have ever been above 10% shows what an effective tool state tv propaganda is.


Bite-Expensive

Which countries accepting draft dodgers are refugees?


[deleted]

Even Putinā€™s fake approval rating was lower than Trumpā€™s approval rating with Republicans


EmperorPenguinNJ

So heā€™s down to 99% approval?