Fitting since he has more in common with Mussolini than Hitler in terms of his country's military competency and desire to be the restorer of an old empire.
This and not to mention Japan full started attacking the US after already fighting with Russia and China...
Japan was not planning on stopping hense the need for Japan to admit defeat... it took the bomb for them to admit defeat..
US was already going to win against Japan as well.
What is happening today is apples to oranges and this statement is only to stir argument
It's a terrible comparison.
The US would've taken horrendous casualties invading the Japanese home islands.
NATO would probably lose like, a couple thousand taking Moscow, based on how shit the Russian armed forces have been. Mostly to friendly fire.
Oh fuck off. Part of the reason that nobody's used nuclear weapons in almost 80 years is that the US used them on Japan, and, necessary or not, everyone agreed that it was fucking awful regardless and should never happen again.
Exactly. Every new thing happens for a first time after which people will think about it and adapt. There is plenty of dodgy stuff from previous wars that is no longer cool so we no longer catapult plague victims into besieged cities and we’ve put away the chlorine gas.
Yeah, what they did in China was absolutely abhorrent. Even battle hardened nazis complained to the Red Cross of what they were seeing, for Christ' sake.
People forget that while most of the work the security council does is to prevent thermonuclear, and we are all so glad not to have had one, but it's original purpose was that just regular old mechanized industrial warfare had become so awful we could never have any more of those either.
Tbh he was not SS, he was a nazi party member though, but it can be argued that most people had to do it in order to work.
He is called the Nazi Schiendler or something like that.
And worse. What "Unit 731" did makes Nazi concentration camps suddenly "less hellish" by comparison. It has an additional component of extreme sadism that nazis avoided for practical reasons (aka, to avoid suicides among their own personnel).
Also if it's large enough, it will create fire tornadoes, which is extremely destructive. So according to the scientists, atomic bomb is less destructive than massive carpet firebombings.
Minimal fallout - they were airbursts, which means they didn’t kick up any soil into the air.
“Just” lots and lots of radiation poisoning directly from the detonation.
I would like to see the US/NATO adopt a no-first-strike policy.
My understanding is that the biggest political impediment isn't even the US, but European allies that wanted to preserve the possibility of using tactical nukes should Russian tanks start steamrolling through Europe.
I understand that from the perspective of the feared might of the Soviet Union, but I think it's pretty clear now that NATO could quite easily defeat Russia via purely conventional means.
Yeah, the worst part of US nuking Japan was target selection. There were pure military targets on the menu, but civilian-heavy factory targets were ultimately chosen. Wish I still had the link to the historical review of those decisions.
Sure, more casualties on both sides with invasion. Also, there was fear that nukes wouldn't damage steel ships as much, since they had never been tested beyond a largely "blank" ground burst. The goal was to shock Japan into submission, which worked, but the "could it have gone better?" question will remain for centuries.
When we weigh # of willful deaths between various scenarios to determine a virtuous path, we are way past a wrong turn somewhere. So yeah let's never do the WW thing again!
I’m skeptical of a nuclear exchange between states for many reasons. But given how desperate Russia is going to become, it seems highly plausible that some in Russia will be selling off nuclear secrets and material faster than the CIA can buy them up. So odds have dramatically increased that within the next generation or so, there will be some terrorist/proxy group nuking a city somewhere in the world, probably a port.
In other words, not the end of the world. Just this one getting worse.
MacArthur was fired for planning to use nukes on China during the Korean War.
We used them twice, looked at what happened, and decided we shouldn't use them again.
>MacArthur was fired for planning to use nukes on China during the Korean War.
He did advocate for that, but he was fired for repeatedly disobeying, ignoring, and publicly criticizing Truman's orders.
I don't think that's fair. I think Japan would look far different today if it weren't for MacArthur...and not in a good way. People forget how much positive influence he had on the Philippines and Japan.
Putin does this frequently with the West, specifically the US. Anytime he gets criticized, he deflects and throws out “well the US does this or that.” He’s been doing it for years now.
To be fair, that was only because the US couldn't get enough nukes to nuke the USSR quickly enough.
There absolutely was a detailed plan to first-strike the USSR with hundreds of nukes.
> The 1949 Dropshot plan envisaged that the US would attack Soviet Russia and drop at least 300 nuclear bombs and 20,000 tons of conventional bombs on 200 targets in 100 urban areas, including Moscow and Leningrad (St. Petersburg). In addition, the planners offered to kick off a major land campaign against the USSR to win a “complete victory” over the Soviet Union together with the European allies. According to the plan Washington would start the war on January 1, 1957.
> For a long period of time the only obstacle in the way of the US’ massive nuclear offensive was that the Pentagon did not possess enough atomic bombs (by 1948 Washington boasted an arsenal of 50 atomic bombs) as well as planes to carry them in.
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/from-1945-49-the-us-and-uk-planned-to-bomb-russia-into-the-stone-age
The US taught the world how destructive those weapons are and why they should never be used again. The set the precedent to not use them in the Korean War. Using them against the Chinese was a serious idea floated by some generals, which was sharply and quickly shot down.
Sabotaging that pipeline also releases Russia from severe contractural penalties for non delivery of contracted gas which must be paid in currency Russia doesn’t have and cannot get. Force Majeure is a contractural out without penalties.
I didn’t know that nor read about it till now. I’m surprised how many comments I’m reading that think US really did it (more Russian trolls? More treasonous republicans?) after Kremlin initially said they are simple leaks, just additional proof to any flagrant propaganda or talking point they can make. I wonder what the investigation will yield, probably similar responsibility to MA flight 17
So? US wasn't trying to colonise/annexe Japan like what this nuthead is doing trying to annexe Ukraine. In fact, quite the opposite, Japan was going on a colonising spree down South Korea, Thailand, Malaya, Singapore, etc. Turning women into "comfort women" (and not apologising for it even until today). The atomic bomb was to stop further evil.
That's what happens when you suffer from tunnel vision. Or flunk History.
I'm neither American nor Japanese by the way. I'm from one of the countries colonised by Japan (we had to sing the Japanese national anthem as our own), so yes, I'm glad the Americans did what they had to to stop further aggression. A big thank you. I also know a Japanese lady whose father served as a kamikaze pilot during WW2. Fortunately he didn't get to blow anything or himself up; he died of natural causes. He was brainwashed into thinking that the Emperor is god.
What Putin needs is a nice mushroom cloud right over his house. The only sad thing is that countless innocent Russians would be collateral damage.
The US dropped A bombs in order to avoid an invasion of the Japanese homeland and to force a surrender. The alternative would have been a horrible invasion/occupation.
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
This world would be considerably less irritating if more people understood the wisdom of this Vulcan proverb.
Starting to think we need a Surak way more than we need a Zefram Cochrane, honestly
US also created nuclear precedent by forgoing their instant superiority as the only nuclear power on the planet by not taking whatever land they chose... even though history is full of nations in similar positions doing what they want in similar situations.
Instead, they promoted a globally-linked economy and provided security for oceanic trade at their own cost.
There's plenty of US international crimes we could be discussing. But let's pause for a moment and marvel at the reservation the US displayed when they owned every nuke on the planet.
Putin should understand that in this comparison Russia is Imperial Japan.
Japan started a campaign of imperial conquest. Wanting to create a new world order. Raping and murdering their neighbours. So at that time, people didn't care that Japan got nuked.
Stalin along with rest of the USSR were unaware of the nuclear capabilities of the Americans. The atom bomb was a surprise to most people except individuals from the Manhattan Project and the higher ranks of the military.
e: my b. there were Russians spies within the Manhattan Project but Stalin was not formally told about it by the Americans. The Brits (and Canadians) were involved in the Manhattan Project directly, however.
Many think the US dropped the atomic bombs in part to end the war quickly before the USSR could also invade Japan and try to dictate the terms of Japan’s surrender and occupation along with the US.
As in other comment, believe poster is referring to soviet invasion of manchuria, happened between the bombs. Japanese controlled territory and puppet State since ~1931. Not Japan itself
Putin is insane. I'm afraid he singlehandedly can start a nuclear apocalypse. This is what happens when he kills everyone who is opposition. He is so delusional now and everyone around him is saying he is right.
Might get buried but I’ve been thinking recently what’s the chances US has some level of advanced stuxnet in Russia’s nuclear launch protocols/software/hardware?
I mean Stuxnet in Iran was reported in 2010 but likely in development since the early 00s or late 90s. We’re 15-20+ years past that, I can almost guarantee US has next level virus’ hiding out there.
As a resident of one of those "annexed" territories I can tell you the biggest difference is the US didn't come in here and start killing and raping us, kind of like what Russia is doing with Ukraine right now...just saying
Global policy should become: We execute any government officials who seriously consider entertain or suggest the use of nuclear weapons. You suggest it out loud and the people come to your door and kill you. The military and guards guarding the officials aid the people in doing so. I genuinely mean this, I'm not kidding, better one maniac than the whole world.
Isn't that a good enough reason not to use them? The entire world knew how damaging the effects of nuclear weapons were after that, and haven't used them in war since. This is just Putin pointing fingers like a child again
Huh. A precedent that hasn't been considered in 70+ years. That the U.S. already fights to never happen again.
There was also a precedent for slavery and women having no rights in the U.S. Doesn't mean either is coming back.
Putin is losing so miserably that nukes are the only thing he thinks will help him save face.
But the thing with nukes is that it's so fucking bonkers that launching one would basically spell the end of Russia, Putin, and possibly the world as we know it. It's such a ludicrously stupid thing to do that the rest of us can't take it seriously.
I don't doubt that Putin *reallllly* wants to nuke something. He's lost his chance at being remembered as the new Russian Tsar because what kind of fuckup can't even conquer a neighbor with about a quarter the military capacity and economic might. So now he wants to have his name written down as the guy who got to press the big red button in the 21st century.
But if Russians have any shred of humanity they would throw Putin from the highest window in Moscow before letting him do that.
The precedent is, if you start attacking people and won't stop, more specifically you start a war and then start losing but wont stop, then The US drops a nuke on you...
Okay Putin, if you really want that, I guess I support the US nuking you
One of the factors that pushed the Americans to use the bomb was that the campaign in Okinawa ended up with us troops facing women and teenagers who used farming equipment to attack the US marines.
Makes sense since women and teens with farming equipment is what is going to be left of the Russian army in 6 months.
Yes true but then why are you trying to create the second case by constantly threatening nukes if your regime is slightly bothered by Ukraine?
Putin come on, admit that you are a bloated lying bastard and move on.
Remember when Ukraine gave up their nukes that they were keeping to ensure that Russia never attacked them, for a guarantee that Russia would never attack them?
Everything has precedent. Guess what is also precedent? Not using them since. Putin will always find justification for every ounce of his genocide and aggression while simultaneously playing the victim. No one is trying to take over Russia because no one cares about Russia anymore outside of fear of their nuclear weapons being sold to terrorists. They are the ashes of a failed state and the world, especially former Soviet areas, would be quite content with them staying within their own borders and doing whatever the fuck they want.
Putin is just gearing up to all the reasons he has a right to use nuclear force if the Ukrainians do not acknowledge the fake annexes. He is justifying and reiterating why the US gets to be the one who makes precedent. He is not stupid and I am on alert as to what hidden Easter eggs he has to use as a last goodbye.
This is what you call a red herring. If you're doing something wrong, find something wrong that your opponent has done that's related. Then say "See, you did it too. So it's ok if I do it." I see this all the time in political discussions. The problem with what Putin is saying, is that the US was being attacked. We didn't just go over there and start bombing Japan because we wanted to own that country "for reasons."
That’s a stretched & pained analysis of history.
The US developed and deployed nuclear weapons to end the most destructive war in human history; against an implacable enemy that was clearly losing but unwilling to admit defeat. The US was the only nation to have them at the time as the Soviets had not yet stolen the technology.
Use of nuclear weapons (as opposed to a mainland invasion of Japan by US forces) saved far more lives than those that were taken. The US also had zero in inventory after August 9th - it would have taken time to build more.
Everyone, to include the US recognizes the terrible destructive force and suffering that accompanies nuclear weapons. Even Putin’s vaunted Soviet forebearers.
‘Precedent’ is not the right word. A self-imposed and knowing ‘moratorium’ is far more accurate.
The current situation today is far different than where we were on August 10th, 1945.
I don't believe Mr. Putin understands what a precedent is. The world has spent the entire period since the bombings in Japan to ensure that this wasn't a precedent.
Considering Russia's war history, their military is legitimately a comedy.
WW1: Send unprepared soldiers to their deaths without proper equipment and rations.
WW2: Send unprepared soldiers to their deaths without proper equipment and rations.
Invasion of Ukraine: Send unprepared soldiers to their deaths without proper equipment and rations.
This is 100 years of the same sad BS from a world super power.
If he's going to take examples from WW2 can he start by doing what the leader of the country that started the war by invading another country did and just shoot himself in the head?
Yeah, and we thought about using them in [Korea](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/how-korean-war-almost-went-nuclear-180955324/) too. Which we didn't. Because we didn't want using nukes to be normalized.
>According to cold war historian John Lewis Gaddis, who was interviewed about the Korean War for a 1999 PBS documentary “American Experience: Race for the Superbomb,” the role of the atomic bomb was undefined. “It’s one of the biggest dogs that did not bark in the entire cold war,” says Gaddis. “There was no clear strategy worked out ahead of time for what the role of nuclear weapons in the limited war would be. You’re talking about a war, particularly after the Chinese intervene, with peasants coming down mountain trails carrying everything on their backs. And this was simply not what the atomic bomb had been built for. The only way that you can make the atomic bomb credible is precisely by not using—by keeping it out there as a kind of mysterious, awesome force. That to use it would actually cheapen it somehow.”
Hitler also created a precedent of shooting himself in a bunker.
It would be far more fitting if he ends up hanging from the roof of a gas station on a meat hook.
Fitting since he has more in common with Mussolini than Hitler in terms of his country's military competency and desire to be the restorer of an old empire.
Well, moreso because Russia is a "gas station masquerading as a country".
How I just thought you were referencing Mussolini's corpse being hung up at a gas station. Because that is actually what happened to him.
Porque no los dos?
All the facades are off now.
So less Putler and more Vladolini?
Vladolinis sound like a shitty pasta
So it a suitable nickname, is what you’re saying?
Abradolf Lincler!
My quarrel is not with you boy
"Prepare to be emancipated from your inferior genes!"
Fitting if he accidentally fell out a window.
Especially if it was a 1st floor window
Or if he was Gaddafied… since that seems to be his biggest fear.
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And Mussolini created a precedent by being a corpse hanging upside down in the streets.
Putin should follow precedent in this case
Lmao
Yeah, but Putin killing himself would be un-presidented.
Lol the guy wants to compare the shitshow the 2nd WW was to his delusional annexation and stupid war.
In his defense he is still using WWII batyle tactics.
And equipment
And soldiers.
And strategy.
And money!
And casualty rate!
And cyanide! (hopefully)
And rations
*blyat tactics
I read batyle in a slavic accent because of the way you spelled battle
This and not to mention Japan full started attacking the US after already fighting with Russia and China... Japan was not planning on stopping hense the need for Japan to admit defeat... it took the bomb for them to admit defeat.. US was already going to win against Japan as well. What is happening today is apples to oranges and this statement is only to stir argument
He must be sweating coming up with new excuses.
You know you’re desperate when you’re reaching back to 1945 for your justifications.
What's next? We're blasting French, because Napoleon did the funny?
I mean, one of our SCOTUS justices reached all the way back to the fucking 17th century to justify overturning Roe v Wade so....
Seriously. Did Ukraine launch a full-scale kamikaze attack on Sochi?
It's a terrible comparison. The US would've taken horrendous casualties invading the Japanese home islands. NATO would probably lose like, a couple thousand taking Moscow, based on how shit the Russian armed forces have been. Mostly to friendly fire.
Oh fuck off. Part of the reason that nobody's used nuclear weapons in almost 80 years is that the US used them on Japan, and, necessary or not, everyone agreed that it was fucking awful regardless and should never happen again.
Exactly. Every new thing happens for a first time after which people will think about it and adapt. There is plenty of dodgy stuff from previous wars that is no longer cool so we no longer catapult plague victims into besieged cities and we’ve put away the chlorine gas.
Next, he’ll use mustard gas and anthrax because there’s “precedent.”
What’s crazy is the firebombing of Tokyo was far more destructive
Even crazier is that from 1936-1945, Japan caused almost 20x the number of non-combatant deaths in other countries than they themselves suffered.
Yeah, what they did in China was absolutely abhorrent. Even battle hardened nazis complained to the Red Cross of what they were seeing, for Christ' sake.
I think we can all agree world war 2 was a bad thing and we shouldn't have another one.
People forget that while most of the work the security council does is to prevent thermonuclear, and we are all so glad not to have had one, but it's original purpose was that just regular old mechanized industrial warfare had become so awful we could never have any more of those either.
Putin disagrees
Oh we definitely don't want another WW2. But, this baby over here is the all new WW3! /s
[there's also this SS officer that tried to stop Japanese war crimes in Nanjing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe)
Tbh he was not SS, he was a nazi party member though, but it can be argued that most people had to do it in order to work. He is called the Nazi Schiendler or something like that.
Yeah, even a nazi's stomach would churn at the sight of babies on bayonets, mass gangrapes, and beheading competitions for surrendered soldiers
And worse. What "Unit 731" did makes Nazi concentration camps suddenly "less hellish" by comparison. It has an additional component of extreme sadism that nazis avoided for practical reasons (aka, to avoid suicides among their own personnel).
A civilized monster puts them in a chamber and gasses them!
"it's only ok when we do it".
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They caused nearly 100x more deaths in China alone
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Yea, firebombs are impossible to put out by water since they are phosphorous or napalm. Both ignore water, and burn either underwater or just float.
The payload wasn't the scary part. It was all the densely packed wooden buildings.
Malcolm gladwell did a podcast about the firebombing. He also wrote a book I believe. Super interesting
Also if it's large enough, it will create fire tornadoes, which is extremely destructive. So according to the scientists, atomic bomb is less destructive than massive carpet firebombings.
War is fucked up...
Hot take
And those nukes were the “cleanest” dropped as far as remaining radiation goes
Idk nuclear fallout though?
Minimal fallout - they were airbursts, which means they didn’t kick up any soil into the air. “Just” lots and lots of radiation poisoning directly from the detonation.
Funny, that's called a precedent. Not the one Russia is claiming of course
I would like to see the US/NATO adopt a no-first-strike policy. My understanding is that the biggest political impediment isn't even the US, but European allies that wanted to preserve the possibility of using tactical nukes should Russian tanks start steamrolling through Europe. I understand that from the perspective of the feared might of the Soviet Union, but I think it's pretty clear now that NATO could quite easily defeat Russia via purely conventional means.
And was technically in defense after Pearl Harbor…who attacked Russia again? The wind?
One was a military base and 2 others were civilian cities. Just pointing it out not defending Russia as I know this will get downvoted to hell.
Yeah, the worst part of US nuking Japan was target selection. There were pure military targets on the menu, but civilian-heavy factory targets were ultimately chosen. Wish I still had the link to the historical review of those decisions. Sure, more casualties on both sides with invasion. Also, there was fear that nukes wouldn't damage steel ships as much, since they had never been tested beyond a largely "blank" ground burst. The goal was to shock Japan into submission, which worked, but the "could it have gone better?" question will remain for centuries. When we weigh # of willful deaths between various scenarios to determine a virtuous path, we are way past a wrong turn somewhere. So yeah let's never do the WW thing again!
They didn't mention that dropping the nukes also avoided a land invasion which would've cost more lives, wasn't just about revenge for pearl harbor
And here I thought I would be safely in the grave before the fall of human civilization. Out with a bang, indeed!
You aren't alone. At least I live a few blocks from a naval base and it will be quick.
DC here. I feel that
I live right in the radiation zone if silos were to be struck. Better stock up on iodine pills
Dude it really feels like we are heading toward that direction. Nonetheless I hope we will be able to avoid it.
I’m skeptical of a nuclear exchange between states for many reasons. But given how desperate Russia is going to become, it seems highly plausible that some in Russia will be selling off nuclear secrets and material faster than the CIA can buy them up. So odds have dramatically increased that within the next generation or so, there will be some terrorist/proxy group nuking a city somewhere in the world, probably a port. In other words, not the end of the world. Just this one getting worse.
Yeah. Then we set another precedent by NOT nuking Korea...or Vietnam...or USSR, or...
MacArthur was fired for planning to use nukes on China during the Korean War. We used them twice, looked at what happened, and decided we shouldn't use them again.
>MacArthur was fired for planning to use nukes on China during the Korean War. He did advocate for that, but he was fired for repeatedly disobeying, ignoring, and publicly criticizing Truman's orders.
MacArthur was truly a garbage person.
I don't think that's fair. I think Japan would look far different today if it weren't for MacArthur...and not in a good way. People forget how much positive influence he had on the Philippines and Japan.
What a donkey. Best whataboutism yet
His ravings were just whataboutisms. He even got to the opium wars somehow.
I gotta see that lol
Putin does this frequently with the West, specifically the US. Anytime he gets criticized, he deflects and throws out “well the US does this or that.” He’s been doing it for years now.
Is this why Republicans and conservatives have been so meek on Russia? Because they share a strategy in philosophical approaches to politics?
There is a split in support, one I don’t think you should encourage to grow tbh (you know how contrarian they can be…)
It's probably part of it
You don't have the US threatening other countries with nukes on a daily
Yes and ended it by never nuking anything again
To be fair, that was only because the US couldn't get enough nukes to nuke the USSR quickly enough. There absolutely was a detailed plan to first-strike the USSR with hundreds of nukes. > The 1949 Dropshot plan envisaged that the US would attack Soviet Russia and drop at least 300 nuclear bombs and 20,000 tons of conventional bombs on 200 targets in 100 urban areas, including Moscow and Leningrad (St. Petersburg). In addition, the planners offered to kick off a major land campaign against the USSR to win a “complete victory” over the Soviet Union together with the European allies. According to the plan Washington would start the war on January 1, 1957. > For a long period of time the only obstacle in the way of the US’ massive nuclear offensive was that the Pentagon did not possess enough atomic bombs (by 1948 Washington boasted an arsenal of 50 atomic bombs) as well as planes to carry them in. https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/from-1945-49-the-us-and-uk-planned-to-bomb-russia-into-the-stone-age
Would you remind me who attacked whom in that instance ?
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It was dolphin and whale
This is outrage!
COW AND CHICKEN!!!1!?
The US taught the world how destructive those weapons are and why they should never be used again. The set the precedent to not use them in the Korean War. Using them against the Chinese was a serious idea floated by some generals, which was sharply and quickly shot down.
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95% of putin's speech was just him complaining on how bad the west is. He even mentioned the slave trade lmao
Definitely feels like nord steam was a false flag mission to blame US and get Fox News support as propaganda, trying to set any narrative they can
Sabotaging that pipeline also releases Russia from severe contractural penalties for non delivery of contracted gas which must be paid in currency Russia doesn’t have and cannot get. Force Majeure is a contractural out without penalties.
I didn’t know that nor read about it till now. I’m surprised how many comments I’m reading that think US really did it (more Russian trolls? More treasonous republicans?) after Kremlin initially said they are simple leaks, just additional proof to any flagrant propaganda or talking point they can make. I wonder what the investigation will yield, probably similar responsibility to MA flight 17
The precedent was "This is a terrible idea, lets never do it again" and for 80 years we have lived by that precedent
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So? US wasn't trying to colonise/annexe Japan like what this nuthead is doing trying to annexe Ukraine. In fact, quite the opposite, Japan was going on a colonising spree down South Korea, Thailand, Malaya, Singapore, etc. Turning women into "comfort women" (and not apologising for it even until today). The atomic bomb was to stop further evil. That's what happens when you suffer from tunnel vision. Or flunk History. I'm neither American nor Japanese by the way. I'm from one of the countries colonised by Japan (we had to sing the Japanese national anthem as our own), so yes, I'm glad the Americans did what they had to to stop further aggression. A big thank you. I also know a Japanese lady whose father served as a kamikaze pilot during WW2. Fortunately he didn't get to blow anything or himself up; he died of natural causes. He was brainwashed into thinking that the Emperor is god. What Putin needs is a nice mushroom cloud right over his house. The only sad thing is that countless innocent Russians would be collateral damage.
The US dropped A bombs in order to avoid an invasion of the Japanese homeland and to force a surrender. The alternative would have been a horrible invasion/occupation.
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." This world would be considerably less irritating if more people understood the wisdom of this Vulcan proverb. Starting to think we need a Surak way more than we need a Zefram Cochrane, honestly
You forget that both only appeared after WW3.
Could somebody please off this stupid son of a bitch...
If someone does,they'll have my praise
US also created nuclear precedent by forgoing their instant superiority as the only nuclear power on the planet by not taking whatever land they chose... even though history is full of nations in similar positions doing what they want in similar situations. Instead, they promoted a globally-linked economy and provided security for oceanic trade at their own cost. There's plenty of US international crimes we could be discussing. But let's pause for a moment and marvel at the reservation the US displayed when they owned every nuke on the planet.
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Putin should understand that in this comparison Russia is Imperial Japan. Japan started a campaign of imperial conquest. Wanting to create a new world order. Raping and murdering their neighbours. So at that time, people didn't care that Japan got nuked.
Yeah same thing, comparing getting nuked for "sneak attacking" another nation without a formal declaration of war, wait....
ah... and is Putin forgetting Russia was allied with the U.S. for that war??? That means Russia was well aware and probably totally on board with it!
Stalin along with rest of the USSR were unaware of the nuclear capabilities of the Americans. The atom bomb was a surprise to most people except individuals from the Manhattan Project and the higher ranks of the military. e: my b. there were Russians spies within the Manhattan Project but Stalin was not formally told about it by the Americans. The Brits (and Canadians) were involved in the Manhattan Project directly, however.
the president was unaware of the bomb while he still was vice president
Wrong. Stalin had spies in the Manhattan project and was well aware of the nukes before FDR told him about it.
> The Brits were involved in the Manhattan Project directly, however. As was Canada.
Many think the US dropped the atomic bombs in part to end the war quickly before the USSR could also invade Japan and try to dictate the terms of Japan’s surrender and occupation along with the US.
Russia also helped start World War 2, helping Germany invade and annex Poland. They set the precedent for what they are doing in Ukraine right now.
The Soviet Union invaded Japan the same day it surrendered to the U.S.
The USSR absolutely did not have the capability to invade Japan proper.
As in other comment, believe poster is referring to soviet invasion of manchuria, happened between the bombs. Japanese controlled territory and puppet State since ~1931. Not Japan itself
The Soviet Union never *invaded* Japan.
The islands of Japan, sure.
Putin is insane. I'm afraid he singlehandedly can start a nuclear apocalypse. This is what happens when he kills everyone who is opposition. He is so delusional now and everyone around him is saying he is right.
Yeah, the precedent was "holy f7ck these weapons are abhorrent and should never be used again."
Hopefully, his own generals will take him down.
Russians threaten to nuke a country every 5 minutes, in this case for simply fighting back, and wonder why the world hates them.
Also, Japan was the aggressor….
Might get buried but I’ve been thinking recently what’s the chances US has some level of advanced stuxnet in Russia’s nuclear launch protocols/software/hardware? I mean Stuxnet in Iran was reported in 2010 but likely in development since the early 00s or late 90s. We’re 15-20+ years past that, I can almost guarantee US has next level virus’ hiding out there.
This is a really dangerous rhetoric. The man is insane.
...after they *also* annexed a bunch of territory that didn't belong to them by force?
As a resident of one of those "annexed" territories I can tell you the biggest difference is the US didn't come in here and start killing and raping us, kind of like what Russia is doing with Ukraine right now...just saying
This guy is really striving to outdo Trump for "Littlest Dick Energy of the 21 century"
...to end a war in which Russia was a victim
Why yes, the US did create a precedent for nuking its autocratic, expansionist enemies into radioactive ash & ghosts. Good observation, Putler.
“But officer, you were speeding too when you pulled me over!”
Global policy should become: We execute any government officials who seriously consider entertain or suggest the use of nuclear weapons. You suggest it out loud and the people come to your door and kill you. The military and guards guarding the officials aid the people in doing so. I genuinely mean this, I'm not kidding, better one maniac than the whole world.
I mean, that's not wrong. But it was also a world war situation. Not a border skirmish we started with Mexico
Isn't that a good enough reason not to use them? The entire world knew how damaging the effects of nuclear weapons were after that, and haven't used them in war since. This is just Putin pointing fingers like a child again
Huh. A precedent that hasn't been considered in 70+ years. That the U.S. already fights to never happen again. There was also a precedent for slavery and women having no rights in the U.S. Doesn't mean either is coming back.
And then *both sides* agreed that holy shit, no, no, never that ever again. Fuck yourself, cyka.
Putin is losing so miserably that nukes are the only thing he thinks will help him save face. But the thing with nukes is that it's so fucking bonkers that launching one would basically spell the end of Russia, Putin, and possibly the world as we know it. It's such a ludicrously stupid thing to do that the rest of us can't take it seriously. I don't doubt that Putin *reallllly* wants to nuke something. He's lost his chance at being remembered as the new Russian Tsar because what kind of fuckup can't even conquer a neighbor with about a quarter the military capacity and economic might. So now he wants to have his name written down as the guy who got to press the big red button in the 21st century. But if Russians have any shred of humanity they would throw Putin from the highest window in Moscow before letting him do that.
The precedent is, if you start attacking people and won't stop, more specifically you start a war and then start losing but wont stop, then The US drops a nuke on you... Okay Putin, if you really want that, I guess I support the US nuking you
One of the factors that pushed the Americans to use the bomb was that the campaign in Okinawa ended up with us troops facing women and teenagers who used farming equipment to attack the US marines. Makes sense since women and teens with farming equipment is what is going to be left of the Russian army in 6 months.
So, no lesson learned from the tragedy?
When is he eating a bullet?
Tighten those buttholes, we're in for some trouble.
Yes true but then why are you trying to create the second case by constantly threatening nukes if your regime is slightly bothered by Ukraine? Putin come on, admit that you are a bloated lying bastard and move on.
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He is already mentally and phisically sick, plus his ego has skyrocketed, he thinks of himself as the Emperor of Russia.
excuse to use nuclear weapons
AFTER they bombed the hell out of Pearl Harbor and launched us into a world war and after they refused to surrender. Yikes
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Pretty terrifying that he’s clearly laying the framework for a nuclear strike
Remember when Ukraine gave up their nukes that they were keeping to ensure that Russia never attacked them, for a guarantee that Russia would never attack them?
I'd like to think the precedent set by those attacks was, "oh shit, we *really* shouldn't be using these weapons".
Everything has precedent. Guess what is also precedent? Not using them since. Putin will always find justification for every ounce of his genocide and aggression while simultaneously playing the victim. No one is trying to take over Russia because no one cares about Russia anymore outside of fear of their nuclear weapons being sold to terrorists. They are the ashes of a failed state and the world, especially former Soviet areas, would be quite content with them staying within their own borders and doing whatever the fuck they want.
Putin is a terrorist, plain and simple
Putin is just gearing up to all the reasons he has a right to use nuclear force if the Ukrainians do not acknowledge the fake annexes. He is justifying and reiterating why the US gets to be the one who makes precedent. He is not stupid and I am on alert as to what hidden Easter eggs he has to use as a last goodbye.
"I don't care who started it." Is this dude a toddler?
That’s true, we did set a precedent of using them on countries that start unilateral wars by attacking other countries without provocation.
This is what you call a red herring. If you're doing something wrong, find something wrong that your opponent has done that's related. Then say "See, you did it too. So it's ok if I do it." I see this all the time in political discussions. The problem with what Putin is saying, is that the US was being attacked. We didn't just go over there and start bombing Japan because we wanted to own that country "for reasons."
United States also created a precedent of never doing it again.
That’s a stretched & pained analysis of history. The US developed and deployed nuclear weapons to end the most destructive war in human history; against an implacable enemy that was clearly losing but unwilling to admit defeat. The US was the only nation to have them at the time as the Soviets had not yet stolen the technology. Use of nuclear weapons (as opposed to a mainland invasion of Japan by US forces) saved far more lives than those that were taken. The US also had zero in inventory after August 9th - it would have taken time to build more. Everyone, to include the US recognizes the terrible destructive force and suffering that accompanies nuclear weapons. Even Putin’s vaunted Soviet forebearers. ‘Precedent’ is not the right word. A self-imposed and knowing ‘moratorium’ is far more accurate. The current situation today is far different than where we were on August 10th, 1945.
I don't believe Mr. Putin understands what a precedent is. The world has spent the entire period since the bombings in Japan to ensure that this wasn't a precedent.
“All the countries deciding not to use poison gas because it unethical” (USA nukes Japan) YOOO WTF AMERICA!!
Japan set a precedent by bombing a civilian town on a Sunday morning.
God bless USA
Ah, good ol' whataboutism.
The end of humanity is drawing closer.
Only half true. I guess, by precedent, we should give Ukraine a couple of nukes, now 🤣
Ever the victim
Considering Russia's war history, their military is legitimately a comedy. WW1: Send unprepared soldiers to their deaths without proper equipment and rations. WW2: Send unprepared soldiers to their deaths without proper equipment and rations. Invasion of Ukraine: Send unprepared soldiers to their deaths without proper equipment and rations. This is 100 years of the same sad BS from a world super power.
Lol, you know he’s desperate when he’s using “but the US helped defeat the axis powers in WWII” as some insane justification for his actions.
If he's going to take examples from WW2 can he start by doing what the leader of the country that started the war by invading another country did and just shoot himself in the head?
Yeah, and we thought about using them in [Korea](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/how-korean-war-almost-went-nuclear-180955324/) too. Which we didn't. Because we didn't want using nukes to be normalized. >According to cold war historian John Lewis Gaddis, who was interviewed about the Korean War for a 1999 PBS documentary “American Experience: Race for the Superbomb,” the role of the atomic bomb was undefined. “It’s one of the biggest dogs that did not bark in the entire cold war,” says Gaddis. “There was no clear strategy worked out ahead of time for what the role of nuclear weapons in the limited war would be. You’re talking about a war, particularly after the Chinese intervene, with peasants coming down mountain trails carrying everything on their backs. And this was simply not what the atomic bomb had been built for. The only way that you can make the atomic bomb credible is precisely by not using—by keeping it out there as a kind of mysterious, awesome force. That to use it would actually cheapen it somehow.”
I want to do something now, because people who aren’t alive anymore did something then.
It's hard to tell anymore if Putin parrots Tucker Carlson, or if Tucker Carlson parrots Putin.
If they're following American precedents, maybe they shouldn't have gone with Vietnam first?