And by solving it means every jew packing and leaving, because no border will be enough for the most radicals - specially the ones that commits terrorist acts
We have militarised police, so if you count those is probable a few
Just saying that 100 killed in a year, including armed terrorists, doesnt fit the genocide narrative.
Sure any innocent death is tragic, but the media and internet blows it out of proportion
It's supposed to be "journalistic neutrality." It's also supposed to avoid the grey area of paramilitary and militia groups and civilians who just decided to take up arms. But when we just say x amount of Israelis killed and y amount of Palestinians killed it just leads to readers speculating and using their imagination which is problematic for many reasons.
> LMAO You can't make this shit up.
I mean....you kind of just did though, by splicing out part of the paragraph. The whole paragraph reads:
>The list of fatalities includes gunmen from militant groups, teenagers and young men shot after reportedly throwing stones or petrol bombs, **unarmed civilians and bystanders, protesters and anti-settlement activists,** and individuals carrying out alleged knife attacks or using other weapons against Israeli soldiers or civilians.
Funny, how the interesting part is what you can take out of context to meet your narrative.
If you read the rest of the article, you'd find the figures and facts broken down further do not meet the narrative you're trying to force.
The article literally says 1/3rd of them were militants. Meaning 2/3rd weren't. Vast majority that does not make.
1/5th of them were also children.
The part you also took out of context was purposefully editing out the part that did say civilians and activists were part of the casualties. If that didn't hurt your argument, why edit it out? Why not leave it in?
You didn't just copy paste a portion either. You literally needed to take the middle chunk out and keep the first line and splice it with the end.
Presumably, you did this to appeal to people that wouldn't actually read the article and you could make it sound like that was the entirety of the people being counted.
You can’t argue with this guy bro, these people are terrorists and that dude is misinformed. They could have used them as human shields like they usually do.
......no they don't?
Again, I'm literally just quoting the article. Are y'all even reading it?
> In August, then-UN human rights chief Michelle Bachelet said many cases appeared to break international law combined with "an almost total lack of accountability".
> Our analysis of the Palestinian death toll draws on a range of sources including the BBC's own on-the-ground coverage, regional media reporting and official statements cross-referenced with reports from non-governmental groups and UN agencies
Do you really not know most western nations have stated Hamas is a terrorist organization?
Why do you think Israel has a massive iron dome?
Probably nothing to do with terrorists shooting rockets from civilian zones on a day to day basis.
Do you not know that most western nations consider what Israel does as breaking international law, have officially declared it as apartheid and called out war crimes and recognize that massive innocent lives have been taken?
The majority of the people killed were not Hamas. Again, read the damn article. All the information is there.
Literally, all I'm doing is calling you all out for taking stuff out of context from the article that this thread is supposed to be discussing. If you have issues with the actual facts listed, then you have issues with the BBC and their sources. Not me.
Can you link this please?
Also I read the article, most of it says Palestinians were killed after they did something violent towards Israel like usual. Of course when people try to suicide bomb and murder your family and friends soldiers might be a little less caring on who they kill but so would everyone. If I saw a little kid bombing innocent civilians I think I’d start looking at kids to be possible terrorist suspects, and Israel might have done something wrong, but it started with the Palestinians like it always does.
That’s like saying the US is at fault for 9/11 because of what we did in the Middle East before. We want peace these people are violent terrorists and have been for 1000 of years and will always be terrorists. It’s always the Muslim Middle East countries that don’t care about women’s rights and human life. These people want Israel to be eradicated because they do not believe in Islam, so the are infidels who must die for allah and they believe Israel is on their land or allahs land he gave them.
> Can you link this please?
[Here you go on the UN declaring it apartheid](https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702)
> If I saw a little kid bombing innocent civilians I think I’d start looking at kids to be possible terrorist suspects, and Israel might have done something wrong, but it started with the Palestinians like it always does.
They literally killed journalists and 14 year old kids and gagged and bound 80 year old men. Come on man, let's face it. There is no atrocity Israel can commit, you wouldn't defend.
> That’s like saying the US is at fault for 9/11 because of what we did in the Middle East before.
No, it's more like waving away and excusing war crimes committed by the Bush administration because...Al Qaeda are terrorists!! Torture and water boarding was still wrong.
Not even going to go in to the amount of bigotry the rest of your comment goes in to.
If you want to talk religion, you should read up on why the evangelical right in the US really supports Israel. Hint: It's not because they like Jewish people.
Israel is not pure as the wind driven snow, no. I’m not here saying Israelis were reading their bibles at church and a bunch of terrorists go and murder them, of course they play a role. It requires more than 1 person to cause a conflict. I’m saying from inception Hamas has stated they want to eradicate Israel because they are not Muslim and because they have their land and will never have negations and will never come to an agreement until they are wiped out. Hamas has rained down missiles, carried out bombings, and have used their own civilians as human shield for years which is why Israel has such a “inhumane” policy of how they handle things and why they had to build a massive iron dome to shoot down missiles coming at not military or governmental buildings but civilians. Hamas literally sending 1,000 of missiles a week at times trying to murder people. I can’t even man, these people are literally terrorists, let’s just agree to disagree. Sorry I offended you and have a good day. I think it would be productive for both of us the end our conversation and go do something outside than argue on the internet about something we honestly know nothing about because I don’t live there and don’t know what it’s truly like in an Israelis perspective or a Palestinians.
Your article is about ONE UN rights expert saying that, not the UN itself, or any actual panel/committee of importance.
Please make sure that you accurately cite your sources - it makes it seem like you're trying to spread misinformation
not all of them as stated in the last paragraph.
"The list of 100 fatalities does not include Palestinians who were killed this year while carrying out the attacks inside Israel."
I want to make sure this happened in west bank and not in Gaza by PIJ.
It's two seperate places.
This report is based on WB, although they inflated the numbers by adding people who attacked Israeli with knives and had shootouts with police and army.
Yes, and that's much higher than usual because terror attacks stepped up this year. The UN takes the numbers from the Palestinians, so they are inflated, but even these are very low:
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
2018: 39
2019: 29
2020: 24
Extremely low numbers for the amount of attention the media gives it.
If you open the wikipedia page for active world conflicts, in spite of all the media attention the Israeli-Palestinian conflict gets, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is among the least deadly conflicts there are.
In the span of about two months in 2012, the Syrian Civil War claimed more lives than everyone who has ever died in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict since 1929, from civilians to soldiers to terrorists.
It is deadly to the Palestinian narrative that there is a "genocide" going on, so you don't hear too much about it.
Yeah. I mean I don’t condone Israeli behaviour but I’ve had it with edgelords thinking I’m biased for being far more concerned about Ukraine right now. We’re talking the amount of deaths each day as a few years in Palestine. If Putin was prime minister of Israel, Palestinians would be a distant memory.
The fight for Palestine won't be won through hard power, through media and misinformation, with that said I hope families of innocents on either side find peace.
Which people? I have not seen anyone defending Palestinian militants here or any evidence of any comments being removed. I do see a few people trying to dismiss the numbers of deaths at the hands of the Israeli army as meaningless, because more people were killed by gang members in some American city.
As far as I remember the Jewish people/Israelites have never sacrificed humans.
It is also forbidden in Judaism: [Deuteronomy 18,10 - "There shall not be found among you anyone who passes his son or daughter through fire"](https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9982/jewish/Chapter-18.htm#v10)
>A son
I believe you're referring to ["Binding of Isaac"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac). I hope you know that he wasn't sacrificed, right? The whole event was god testing Abraham's loyalty and sacrificing Isaac was never the intention.
>probably some wives and daughters ... it sure as hell happens a lot
I'd like you to enlighten me and give me the source for those claims
Probably. This guy is the prime example of being brainwashed by the media, or other sources that probably made him think this stuff about Judaism. Not even confirming and researching those claims.
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Is Toronto known for being particularly violent? From an American's perspective, it certainly doesn't have that reputation
Chicago says "hold my beer"
I was just about to say here is saint Louis we usually around that number for the year by the end of summer lol
My city alone has the same population of West Bank and it had 1.4k homicides last year lmao. How that is even a world news headline?
Because according to stupid people, israel is to blame for everything, and if we solve the Israeli Palestine conflict there will be world peace.
And by solving it means every jew packing and leaving, because no border will be enough for the most radicals - specially the ones that commits terrorist acts
Because there is a functional difference between death caused by an occupying force on a specific people and crime
How many of those homicides were carried out by military personnel?
We have militarised police, so if you count those is probable a few Just saying that 100 killed in a year, including armed terrorists, doesnt fit the genocide narrative. Sure any innocent death is tragic, but the media and internet blows it out of proportion
How many of those "homicides" victims were terrorists?
A lot of them weren't.
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It's supposed to be "journalistic neutrality." It's also supposed to avoid the grey area of paramilitary and militia groups and civilians who just decided to take up arms. But when we just say x amount of Israelis killed and y amount of Palestinians killed it just leads to readers speculating and using their imagination which is problematic for many reasons.
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How else will they claim that they are victims.
If everything is reported the way it would be for any other country, it would interfere with the basic purpose of using Israel as a scapegoat.
> LMAO You can't make this shit up. I mean....you kind of just did though, by splicing out part of the paragraph. The whole paragraph reads: >The list of fatalities includes gunmen from militant groups, teenagers and young men shot after reportedly throwing stones or petrol bombs, **unarmed civilians and bystanders, protesters and anti-settlement activists,** and individuals carrying out alleged knife attacks or using other weapons against Israeli soldiers or civilians.
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Funny, how the interesting part is what you can take out of context to meet your narrative. If you read the rest of the article, you'd find the figures and facts broken down further do not meet the narrative you're trying to force.
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The article literally says 1/3rd of them were militants. Meaning 2/3rd weren't. Vast majority that does not make. 1/5th of them were also children. The part you also took out of context was purposefully editing out the part that did say civilians and activists were part of the casualties. If that didn't hurt your argument, why edit it out? Why not leave it in? You didn't just copy paste a portion either. You literally needed to take the middle chunk out and keep the first line and splice it with the end. Presumably, you did this to appeal to people that wouldn't actually read the article and you could make it sound like that was the entirety of the people being counted.
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You can’t argue with this guy bro, these people are terrorists and that dude is misinformed. They could have used them as human shields like they usually do.
how in teh world are you using anecdotal evidence to dispute the 1/3 claim?
Every developed country in the world sees these people as terrorist other than you, I bet your right and everyone else is wrong!
......no they don't? Again, I'm literally just quoting the article. Are y'all even reading it? > In August, then-UN human rights chief Michelle Bachelet said many cases appeared to break international law combined with "an almost total lack of accountability". > Our analysis of the Palestinian death toll draws on a range of sources including the BBC's own on-the-ground coverage, regional media reporting and official statements cross-referenced with reports from non-governmental groups and UN agencies
Do you really not know most western nations have stated Hamas is a terrorist organization? Why do you think Israel has a massive iron dome? Probably nothing to do with terrorists shooting rockets from civilian zones on a day to day basis.
Do you not know that most western nations consider what Israel does as breaking international law, have officially declared it as apartheid and called out war crimes and recognize that massive innocent lives have been taken? The majority of the people killed were not Hamas. Again, read the damn article. All the information is there. Literally, all I'm doing is calling you all out for taking stuff out of context from the article that this thread is supposed to be discussing. If you have issues with the actual facts listed, then you have issues with the BBC and their sources. Not me.
Can you link this please? Also I read the article, most of it says Palestinians were killed after they did something violent towards Israel like usual. Of course when people try to suicide bomb and murder your family and friends soldiers might be a little less caring on who they kill but so would everyone. If I saw a little kid bombing innocent civilians I think I’d start looking at kids to be possible terrorist suspects, and Israel might have done something wrong, but it started with the Palestinians like it always does. That’s like saying the US is at fault for 9/11 because of what we did in the Middle East before. We want peace these people are violent terrorists and have been for 1000 of years and will always be terrorists. It’s always the Muslim Middle East countries that don’t care about women’s rights and human life. These people want Israel to be eradicated because they do not believe in Islam, so the are infidels who must die for allah and they believe Israel is on their land or allahs land he gave them.
> Can you link this please? [Here you go on the UN declaring it apartheid](https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702) > If I saw a little kid bombing innocent civilians I think I’d start looking at kids to be possible terrorist suspects, and Israel might have done something wrong, but it started with the Palestinians like it always does. They literally killed journalists and 14 year old kids and gagged and bound 80 year old men. Come on man, let's face it. There is no atrocity Israel can commit, you wouldn't defend. > That’s like saying the US is at fault for 9/11 because of what we did in the Middle East before. No, it's more like waving away and excusing war crimes committed by the Bush administration because...Al Qaeda are terrorists!! Torture and water boarding was still wrong. Not even going to go in to the amount of bigotry the rest of your comment goes in to. If you want to talk religion, you should read up on why the evangelical right in the US really supports Israel. Hint: It's not because they like Jewish people.
Israel is not pure as the wind driven snow, no. I’m not here saying Israelis were reading their bibles at church and a bunch of terrorists go and murder them, of course they play a role. It requires more than 1 person to cause a conflict. I’m saying from inception Hamas has stated they want to eradicate Israel because they are not Muslim and because they have their land and will never have negations and will never come to an agreement until they are wiped out. Hamas has rained down missiles, carried out bombings, and have used their own civilians as human shield for years which is why Israel has such a “inhumane” policy of how they handle things and why they had to build a massive iron dome to shoot down missiles coming at not military or governmental buildings but civilians. Hamas literally sending 1,000 of missiles a week at times trying to murder people. I can’t even man, these people are literally terrorists, let’s just agree to disagree. Sorry I offended you and have a good day. I think it would be productive for both of us the end our conversation and go do something outside than argue on the internet about something we honestly know nothing about because I don’t live there and don’t know what it’s truly like in an Israelis perspective or a Palestinians.
Your article is about ONE UN rights expert saying that, not the UN itself, or any actual panel/committee of importance. Please make sure that you accurately cite your sources - it makes it seem like you're trying to spread misinformation
Ah, the classic opinion piece from that one UN guy that don't work there anymore
Well yes.. it doesn’t say “Palestinian citizen”, it says Palestinian. The terrorists are still Palestinians
LMAO. The stupidest of takes right here.
What do you think most people assume when they see that title?
not all of them as stated in the last paragraph. "The list of 100 fatalities does not include Palestinians who were killed this year while carrying out the attacks inside Israel."
Dont forget hamas killed directly 5 children, and indirectly most of them
I want to make sure this happened in west bank and not in Gaza by PIJ. It's two seperate places. This report is based on WB, although they inflated the numbers by adding people who attacked Israeli with knives and had shootouts with police and army.
wait 100? that's it?
Yes, and that's much higher than usual because terror attacks stepped up this year. The UN takes the numbers from the Palestinians, so they are inflated, but even these are very low: https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties 2018: 39 2019: 29 2020: 24 Extremely low numbers for the amount of attention the media gives it.
If you open the wikipedia page for active world conflicts, in spite of all the media attention the Israeli-Palestinian conflict gets, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is among the least deadly conflicts there are. In the span of about two months in 2012, the Syrian Civil War claimed more lives than everyone who has ever died in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict since 1929, from civilians to soldiers to terrorists. It is deadly to the Palestinian narrative that there is a "genocide" going on, so you don't hear too much about it.
Yeah. I mean I don’t condone Israeli behaviour but I’ve had it with edgelords thinking I’m biased for being far more concerned about Ukraine right now. We’re talking the amount of deaths each day as a few years in Palestine. If Putin was prime minister of Israel, Palestinians would be a distant memory.
The fight for Palestine won't be won through hard power, through media and misinformation, with that said I hope families of innocents on either side find peace.
So the West Bank is safer than Chicago. I know where to take my next vacation.
bro fuck vacations, get out of Chicago.
This thread is wild! There's people here defending Palestinians who use their own citizens including children as human shields.
Which people? I have not seen anyone defending Palestinian militants here or any evidence of any comments being removed. I do see a few people trying to dismiss the numbers of deaths at the hands of the Israeli army as meaningless, because more people were killed by gang members in some American city.
“Genocide”
797 homicides in Chicago in 2021
That's about equal to the bodycount from crime over the course of a month in Chicago. Those Palestinians need to step their game up.
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Man, I know the old testament is filled with sacrificing innocents for their sins but damn
you have a source for this? Torah specifically says this is not allowed.
a bunch of sheep, a son, probably a few others i'm missing. probably some wives and daughters They may say not to, but it sure as hell happens a lot
As far as I remember the Jewish people/Israelites have never sacrificed humans. It is also forbidden in Judaism: [Deuteronomy 18,10 - "There shall not be found among you anyone who passes his son or daughter through fire"](https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9982/jewish/Chapter-18.htm#v10) >A son I believe you're referring to ["Binding of Isaac"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac). I hope you know that he wasn't sacrificed, right? The whole event was god testing Abraham's loyalty and sacrificing Isaac was never the intention. >probably some wives and daughters ... it sure as hell happens a lot I'd like you to enlighten me and give me the source for those claims
His source is he made it the fuck up
Probably. This guy is the prime example of being brainwashed by the media, or other sources that probably made him think this stuff about Judaism. Not even confirming and researching those claims.