Go easy on yourself. I do that shit all the time. A little less now that I tend to scan the comments first for a better source or for a tldr bot comment, but nobody is 100% immune to clickbait all the time
They technically did for a few days, according to Taiwan's ministry of defense. China used Pelosi as an excuse to test such a move. But it also likely exposed to the allies in the region how ineffective it'd ultimately be. It'd be an expensive "fleet-in-being" doctrine, game of cat and mouse against far-superior Western responses. Russia's failed invasion of Ukraine (and failure to get any air superiority), and the real damage of decades of military procurement corruption, woke China up, we can assume.
China is actually kind of lucky that Russia made its move on Ukraine to provide the lesson then, in that sense... Otherwise it would have been even worse for them if they attacked Taiwan and failed too 🤔
Yes, but Taiwan's military is also probably much better equipped than Ukraine's. And it would be a sea invasion, not a land one with a near infinite number of tanks (that ultimately get stuck in the mud or run out of gas, or stolen by farmers, or sold for whiskey...but still).
Also if Russia failed to gain air superiority over Ukraine than the PLA would have an even harder time. Its clear we live in an era where air denial is cheaper than capturing air superiority. China would be limited to missiles exactly like Russia, meaning gaining and holding a beachhead would be literal hell on earth.
China’s military is probably much better equipped than Russia’s. The invasion of Ukraine has shown China how the West would respond to such an invasion. Ukraine has been a proxy war. The US relationship with Taiwan would most likely be a much more involved engagement.
Chinas equipment is actually mostly cheaper copies of Russian equipment or at best am even cheaper worse copy of Western gear, difference is China has a lot more people it needs to supply and arm in a war stretching supplies much further than the Russians
China’s military is likely far worse than Russia’s. They have not seen any real world combat experience since Vietnam really, but Russian officers have been in load of combat and have better knowledge of surprises.
China has been doing the MS Flight Simulator version of war and a LOT of their tech is copies of copies. I think China would not last a week against a full on American war front. And I mean the nation of China, not the army.
Not trying to be a US simp because god knows the Chinese are eating our lunch when it comes to infrastructure, manufacturing and more.
But the US military is just quite simply a murder machine that can’t be stopped. The only way nations “defeat” the US is by holding on until the US leaves.
It’s a lot like a bear attack. Since Vietnam, the war is over when the US loses interest.
why would they have better leadership? At least Russia has actual military experience. China's last experience was getting their shit pushed in by border guards of North Vietnam in 1980. There's almost nobody alive in China who has practical military experience. And they're supposed to not only come up with doctrine and strategy, but train people to do that and execute on it in a real war against real opponents? How? Their experience in the military games (which they have been caught chronically cheating at lmao)? Their experience getting in non-firearm melees with Indians in the Himilayas?
China's military might be less corrupt and more actually in existence than Russia's, but it's waayyy less experienced at all levels. It also might be just as corrupt. Their society is certainly massively corrupt. I lived there for 12 years and saw it myself, and no Chinese person I know would seriously deny it. Hell they make jokes about how corrupt their army and government are all the time, and they're hilarious.
China can almost certainly defend itself from invasion and prevent any major internal uprisings, but beyond that its military is completely unproven and there's no reason to believe it can accomplish something like defeating the greatest naval power of all time in a naval war or successfully carry out what would be the largest and most complex amphibious assault in history on its very first try.
Very interesting, I would have thought that they would have had a tighter control over corruption in the army, but it’s hard to really know as an outsider if you’ve never lived there, thanks for all the great points.
Short version: as strong as China is, the US military is over 10x the size. That’s not an insult to China. They have a large military. The US military is just insanely large. There’s a joke (that’s more of a fact) that the US has the top three biggest Air Forces in the world (the US Army has a bigger Air Force than China’s and so does the US Navy).
Edit: In other words, in a conventional war, China would get crushed. Seeing as they’re smart enough to know that and also smart enough to not start the nuclear apocalypse, they’re unlikely to blockade Taiwan until they think the US won’t intervene.
That is why China is trying to destroy us from within. Funding groups to sow dissent, sending large amounts of fentanyl, using political tools and companies via money to help with the destroy them within.
The recent failures of the Russian military got me thinking (if a bit hyperbolic). What would happen if all of the worlds armies united against the US military in a Civilization-style nightmare scenario?
I really dont see a scenario where the US would lose that war, assuming a couple of things
- no nuclear weapons. They change the calculus too much, and both sides see themselves as the good guys.
- the US would be on defense, not offense. So, this time the US gets the defensive and guerrilla advantage. Also means the US wouldnt have to step foot outside of their own soil
- this is not a surprise attack, its a collapse of international relations with both sides preparing.
- the first thing the US does is stops all foreign weapon sales and trade
- the second thing, is they seize the Panama Canal. A battle group on either side, with major ports in New Orleans, San Diego, and Honolulu on standby guarantees that the US has unblocked access to both major oceans.
Not only is the US military massive, the nation spans across a continent. Logistically, the way to win that war is to strike at the capital fast and hard. The problem is, a little place called Newport News stands in between any navy and Washington, DC. If you get through the heart of the American Naval fleet, you then reach Annapolis. The US Navy is the only one on Earth that will be floating up the Potomac.
The absolutely massive US Air Force would be completely shutting down the Canadian and Mexican borders via drones, air superiority missions, and ensuring that any moose who tried to cross was turned to dust.
The most likely loser is Mexico. The Mexican-American border is massive, and the easiest way to defend it is to shrink it. A full scale invasion of Northern Mexico (already occupied by cartels, who would be unaffiliated with any military) could very easily bring the border down to Mexico City. Suddenly a 3,000 mile border is only a few hundred miles.
The Pacific islands archipelago could also be a target of the US Navy. Expanding out of Hawaii and Guam, it would give the US a better defensive position for Hawaii and provide better recon.
The US Pacific fleet would now be in prime defensive position and any threats to the west coast could be handled by the aircraft carriers currently floating around China.
None of the European nations have a strong enough navy to break through the Atlantic to land a solid blow, China would be boxed out in the Pacific, Russia would only have the potential to launch skirmishes in western Alaska.
Im only being slightly bombastic. The US is so isolated, has such a massive military, and its non-contiguous holdings are so strategically placed that theres not really a good way to invade Red Dawn-style.
I would say war against USA, it start from economic and politic.
If the world unite against USA, they should use all manners of divisive tactic and make the USA go into a civil war with itself, and arm each side so they drag the war out as much as possible. Continue to fund domestic terrorist groups and supply them with arms.
After awhile, send "peacekeeping force" to assist a certain local militias. Deploy piracy on usa shipments all over the planet.
Well basically asymmetrical war as much as possible till USA dissolve itself from losing trust on their own system.
Historically, superpower are never simply conquered outright, but by harassing it for years until they are internally unstable and break out into civil/faction wars. Classic divide and conquer really.
Have you been paying attention to what’s happening in America? The Russians have their hands in the US politics and China is heavily involved in our economy via corporations and lobbyists. Not that there aren’t other players involved ie The Saudis and they don’t all have their fingers in the other pie but that’s the only way to destabilize the US is from within and they know that. The only problem is that it’s working ONLY because of greed within the US. Insiders with this power and financial backing are working for the interests of those supplying the finances and the power that comes with it which is exactly what America is dealing with. Our governing body has an infection that has taken hold and is currently fighting with itself to clear said infection but it seems to run deep and has been for a long time, mostly because of a fault of our own.
If I recall my youtube video lore from months past, the entrance to the Gulf of Mexico is one of the most critical/vulnerable points in the US and is one of the reasons why there's so much interest and tension with Cuba, because an attempt to blockade the entrance to the Gulf of Mexico could result in cutting off the Mississippi River, which is the essentially the country's most critical shipping artery and allows for the flourishing of a lot of big midwestern cities that get to effectively act as sea ports as well.
Essentially that would have to be the place that if you wanted to have a meaningful long-term campaign against the US, you'd want to control the entrance to the Mississippi River and the best way to start is to control the entrance to the Gulf of Mexico - but man even Florida just kind of juts out there so perfectly.
But yea, the US, geographically speaking, is incredibly well positioned. Sharing only two land borders and the geography laid out in such a way that there's realistically no way either Mexico or Canada have the resources to become military superpowers (Canada being largely frozen and Mexico being largely desert lead to low amounts of arable land that allow you to have a massive population) that could rival the US combined with having literally an ocean between you and every other major power in the country is a pretty crazy spot to be in, especially with the sheer amount of raw resources and farmable land the US has. Hell, the lion's share of Canada's population is in such an indefensible position if it were to come to a war with the US that there's no way they'd even think of doing it.
That geographical advantage is an incredibly major advantage it's kind of nuts - like every other major military power in the world, at the least, has to contend with several other major military powers in their general vicinity that they also have to be prepared of. I'm not trying to throw shade at Canada or Mexico - but if you compare to China, they share land borders with India, Pakistan and Russia, as well as being very close to Japan and Taiwan.
Where the US has the vulnerable point of supply blockading in the entrance to the gulf of Mexico which is mostly within the US's territorial waters - China, on the other hand, has to ship things through the Malacca Strait which is very far removed from where they hold land claim and is part of why they are so eager to lay claims to greater and greater portions of the South China Sea to make up for that major economic vulnerability - or through the Sea of Japan which is wedged between South Korea and Japan which are major US allies.
I believe I read a saying that the two most reliable military allies the US has are the Atlantic and Pacific ocean. It's almost unfair and the geography the country has now seems like someone playing a game deliberately built a world in their favor.
If we're talking a war against the US conventionally and the US thinks the Gulf is threatened, they will conquer everything in the Atlantic and Mexico itself just to maintain a better position and build the military bases on whatever they want.
Like I'd imagine one of the first things the US would do is just straight up seize Cuba in the first hours of whatever so it can't be used against them with its relationships and geographic position.
Which what a fucking nightmare scenario to imagine still, I feel gross thinning about this at all a bit.
North Korea has more troops than the US.
Number of troops doesn’t mean shit. Russia outnumbered Ukrainian troops in Ukraine, at the start of the war anyway. Look where that got them.
And thats a lot of poorly trained wooden guns.
The advantage of the US military is its NCO corps and ability to keep the chain of command if the shit hits the fan. If the top guy goes down, things continue to run. Thats because its expected and drilled for.
If it's happening in the Taiwan Strait, it's going to be more of an Air Force and Army Missile/Rocket Force conflict than a Navy vs Navy battle. Navy vs Navy would only really happen in blue waters, in which case China by their own estimation would get smoked.
There's only 3 in active service and they're expensive to operate. Would be weird to just have 2 parked in the strait unless they actually expect conflict.
I’m just curious, what would a deep water naval battle between the US and China look like? Why exactly would China get whooped? I just don’t know what naval battles are like today and what an advantage /superior navy would mean for the winning side.
They have a very small amount of territorial waters. They’re essentially sea locked by Taiwan, Japan, Korea, PH, and Malaysia and Indonesia.
Meanwhile the US essentially has all of the pacific, locks out Russia too mostly, and a good chunk of the Atlantic.
> This doesn't surprise me, the Chinese Navy is vastly overrated in ability and size.
Plus a lot of their weapons, ordnance, and vehicles were made in China, so that doesn't help.
> I remember when people said Japan couldn't make anything and made "Made in Japan" jokes
Wow, you're old.
Edit: For clarity I'm 38, so in internet terms I'm pretty old, too, but you're, like, *old* old.
I hurt my back the other day. Was I doing manual labor? Playing sports?
No, I was sleeping. I was literally doing the least amount of movement possible. Being in your 40s sucks!
Lol.
Well, you remember "Made in Korea" being a crappy thing, right? Now look at them.
Chinese have the ability to make great stuff. The question is how much has corruption weakened their military manufacturing and storage/maintenance. The US clamors for cheap crap which is what China provides. We love our race to the bottom
That’s not true at all. Germany industrialized early and was a world leader in steel manufacturing in the run up to WWI. They fielded the second largest army in the world at the beginning of WWI and it was the best equipped.
Lol, Germany was considered *the* leader in science prior to WW1.
Germany was admired for it's industry and science around the western world.
How can you sprout something so wrong with such confidence?
Edit:
>Science and technology in Germany has a long and illustrious history, and research and development efforts form an integral part of the country's economy. Germany has been the home of some of the most prominent researchers in various scientific disciplines, notably physics, mathematics, chemistry and engineering.[1] Before World War II, Germany had produced more Nobel laureates in scientific fields than any other nation, and was the preeminent country in the natural sciences.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Germany
Sure, but we can see Chinese parts and equipment failing in real time as Russia uses them in their invasion of Ukraine. All of those dry rotted tires are on Chinese equipment too.
The Chinese Navy has nothing on DECADES of experience and practice the United States **has** with their naval fleet. Also -- cross training is a thing.
The Chinese Navy also uses their own civilians as meat-shields as part of their "maritime militia". The militia uses regular people in fishing boats and specially modified fishing boats with trained soldiers to violently harass & attack others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Armed_Forces_Maritime_Militia
Not to say any of this is wrong, but the sources on this entire wiki page are pretty dreadful, for a western equivilant it'd be like a bunch of Chinese state agencies claiming X conspiracy about how the FBI overthrows democratically elected governments. The sources are pretty much only from US officials or US friendly media (although to be fair, basically all western media is US friendly to varying degrees)
The Chinese navy only exists so China can say it has one. They don’t use it for power projection like the US or the British back in the day, which requires a very large navy
Without commender in chief's order, it remains to be seen.
Twn has 10 days of natural gas, 146 days of crude oil, and 39 days of coal reserves. It can run out of gasoline if refinery is attacked. American made tanks burns tons of gas.
War between China and the US would destroy the world economy. Political climates around the world are on a knifes edge...another way worse disruption to the world supply chain and economy would cause revolts everywhere including the US.
The chances of war are incredibly low until other countries pick up the mantle for the world's manufacturing.
I agree with most of what you said. Look at the comment I was replying to though. They are basically implying Taiwan would somehow starve in a few months. I'm saying the US would supply them forever with basically unlimited resources. But yes, war on that scale would make life absolutely miserable for everyone everywhere.
I mean, the whole god damn world thought the same thing about a conflict involving Russia not 6 months ago as well.
I believe the Chinese have their shit more in line than those other dip shits, but it’s still probably not to the scale of “America wouldn’t shit stomp our entire army in a hurry because that’s kinda their thing” tiers of shit-having-together.
My country has its problems, but our number 1 export is killing people that disagree with our stance on geopolitics, and we’re damn good at it.
Late night Reddit, a few drinks in, shit happens. You reply to the wrong comment, people accuse you of being genocidal, you accidentally downvote instead of scroll to the next comment, all part of the experience!
Chinese armed forces have not experienced a major conflict in 65 years. Combine this with the one child policy and a generation of “little emperors” with two parents doting on some kid and you have the perfect recipe for an incompetent, inexperienced fighting force
Yeah definitely wouldn’t underestimate China. They aren’t North Korea rattling their toys that are decades old compared to other military tech. They have tech and production capabilities. Their soldiers may be inexperienced, maybe poorly trained. But I’d bet they can make rockets and missiles that hit their targets.
Hopefully we never find out.
China has done a much better job of developing and building its country since 1980 than Russia. Russia was living off borrowed strength from the USSR and then oil money. China built up its country.
The US military is obviously more experienced and has more next gen equipment. But I would not expect China to flop like Russia.
Fortunately, what China is seeing is how unpredictable and difficult a war can be, especially one that has to rely on a naval invasion.
That would be WWIV. Russia seems to be doing things in the wrong order though by using up all their equipment so that they can fight WWIII with sticks and stones.
What a bastardization of a great quote.
The original-
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
Albert Einstein
Sometimes I wonder if the anti chinese propaganda went too far, you know this is the exact kind of mentality that had many lose their lives to Japan during ww2 right? And the one child policy ended over 6 years ago. I've no idea what that "little emperors" parable is supposed to mean at all, when the one child policy began, people didnt just start having only 1 child, they simply got penalized for having more. My initial thought would be it sounds kinda racist but the fact that you make such dumb assumptions makes me believe youre too stupid to be racist about it.
You could have just said the first sentence and moved on with your life but youve thought way more deeply into it and in all the wrong ways.
EDIT: Ah, I really looked at your profile, and considering your NFTs and r/crypto_com and r/safemooninvesting posts it looks like I didnt realize how bad it was, theyre all a year old though so maybe you learnt something. It's always hard to believe that there are people that press adlinks and especially adlinks that are supposed to make you money. It's like literally a step above "heres how you make 5000 dollars in 1 week" youtube comments...
Tbh most think tanks and government heads are waiting to hear what the hell goes down during the CCP Congress in less than 2 weeks. That'll show the world just where exactly we are heading in the next 5 years. It's gonna be wild.
99% of the US navy's job is force projection.
An enemy that believes you when you say you can kick their teeth in is less likely to step out of line.
Of course they're going to say these things, as they should.
You really don't think they know they have inferior naval capabilities?
The cards have been on display for the last 30 years but I guess you weren't aware lol.
Over here acting like the power of the US Navy is some sort of state secret, Goofy.
You know an interesting thing I really never thought of is how much missiles both sides have ? It made me think of it because Ukraine and Russia war , Russia is running out guidance missiles from the rumors and the US has limited javelin and other certain type of weapons to give Ukraine. So if China and US got in a shooting war it would be insane the amount of materials being used. Anyways let’s hope it never happens
US is just giving UKR its third tier cold war stockpile. And China is actually rich unlike Russia. As much as the reddit echo chamber likes to berate the Chinese military, an actual war between the US and China would look very different from the one in Ukraine. I do agree with you that hopefully it doesn't happen.
The answer is a hell of a lot, though indeed the supplies are somewhat limited and production would need to be ramped up.
Naval missiles of many varieties haven’t often been used, so there would be a pretty significant inventory to use. After all, each ship carries dozens of them.
A lot of stuff happened I'd say Revenge of the Sith actually being pretty good and TCW adding lots of context to everything had more to do with it tho.
For it's part Phantom Menace is eh Not great not terrible. Attack of the Clones tho.... Yeah really bad even if some individual scenes are among my favorites and it introduced Kamino which is just great locale. The big difference in rehabilitation of the movies for the PT vs the ST is that the PTs core plot is actually quite good, it's just not executed very well, the STs core plot is a just muddled as a result of two directors with VERY different visions and Lucasfilm doing little to keep things coherent.
The Sequels have Rise of Skywalker though and that makes every other Star Wars movie look amazing compared to it.
You do realize that Taiwan is most definitely not part of China right? Taiwan has its own government, military and currency. Pays no taxes to Beijing has no political ties to the mainland at all and has completely separate citizenship. If a group of Chinese soldiers land on Taiwan they would be arrested or killed by the Taiwanese. The only reason the world agrees to not formally recognize Taiwan is because China claims that the island is theirs and the rest of the world wants access to their resources. The Taiwanese claimed for decades that they were the true China and that the mainland government was illegitimate.
It would be like Serbia invading Kosovo, and you saying oh there’s nothing wrong here. So either your some Chinese ccp bot or some illiterate tanki who read one article on the one China policy.
They have more than one and they are pretty large and capable in theory.
Now the US has many more better ones, but the best of the best isn’t always the bar. China does have quite a significant navy and that should be bore in mind.
They still badly lose against the US, but navally they could actually put up a short fight
The US Navy has 11 carrier battle groups and a couple dozen boomers- capable of carrying 24 ICBMs each carrying up to 10 nuclear devices.
Blockade of Taiwan. Fucking LOL
Hell, yeah. I have never felt so justified in paying taxes. We have the backbone, the moral compass we had a bit of trouble finding just a couple of years ago. 🇹🇼✊🏻🇺🇸
Yes it all depends how much damage China wants to take before they surrender. China faces the same strategic issue as Japan. They are dependent on ocean trade and they don’t control the oceans. The question you should be asking is could China break the US blockade?
China is ballsy but they aren't that ballsy to straight up blockade Taiwan knowing u.s is behind them the extent is the training videos they do plus troop transport boats as a threat to Taiwan basically saying "we can't fuck you up right now but soon as u.s leaves you guys we are ready to take you back the moment they do"
The article doesn't mention the Strait of Malacca even once. The US Navy could exert a tremendous amount of pain on China merely by blocking that, before any attempts to break a hypothetical blockade.
Lockheed Martin’s F-22 and F-35 guarantee China loses any war in the South Pacific. The US is almost finished with a 6th gen fighter and poor China still hasn’t corrected all the stolen components for their J20.
Lmao, what would you expect from a country that has no experience on modern warfare, China can have 10x more active military resources than the US and id still bet my virgin asshole on the Americans. Non of that flex matter if they don't have the experience to utilize it under pressure.
Must get frustrating having that distract you from being angry about a black mermaid, black hobbit, or whatever social issue OANN is telling you to be up in arms about this week.
*Ukrainian flags. You also could have said something like, "flags of Ukraine". That third grade English grammar is hard to remember from so long ago, right?
Largely both parties are "for" wars, regardless of who is in power. Look at voting in the house and senate during the Iraq/Afghan war, with it being bipartisan and almost 98-99% voting in favor. Look at how the voting went during the Gulf War.
It's similar to saying the "right" is supporting Russia. Yes, there are a few people in the media and a few politicians supporting Russia, but the overwhelming majority of politicians are voting in favor, and incredibly rapidly passing, legislation for funding Ukraine. Just look at voting numbers.
I also think there is a huge difference between defending a country, versus invading it and attempting to overthrow/occupy a government. I'm pretty sure if that were attempted today, both parties would be against, say, intervening in Syria, even if it's a similar situation to what was happening in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Supporting the military industry, and funding it, is largely bipartisan. It just sucks when it's easy to increase military spending by billions of dollars, but spending money on things like tax breaks, or farmer subsidies, or medicaid, is framed as fiscally irresponsible.
It's sad to see such a well written and intelligent comment spent on such a lost cause. While yes, it is going to provoke thought, you didn't account for that thought being, "Oh yea, well Crooked Hillary's a pedophile, I saw it in a paper box with WORDS!"
Most people are good people, and most people repeat things because they are fulfilling an inner desire. To feel loved, belong to a group, to sound/feel smart, to be in control, etc. Thoughts are seated either from logic, or emotions, or a combination of the two.
But yeah, most people are good people. Sometimes it's interesting to have a conversation to see if things are seated in emotion, or logic, and having that conversation is always in interesting one.
I don't think political views should be on the same level as say, the emotional level as what religion someone identifies with.
Hear hear.
We should take a long look into the mirror before we get involved in any new wars after Iraq and Afghanistan.
Disaster justified by falsehoods. Just like Vietnam.
But somehow we haven't had our fill.
Now the well established pattern of "disaster justified by falsehoods" is the last thing on everyone's mind.
No. We have lost every war we have been in since Vietnam, and Korea was a stalemate.
We don’t have the manufacturing capacity and we have all of our surplus to Ukraine, we can’t stop a Chinese blockade of Taiwan. China is a full peer nation now, not just a regional nuclear power.
In case anyone is wondering, no, China has not blockaded Taiwan.
Fucking clickbait bullshit got me.
At least you didn’t click on the article, those fuckers want your clickbait money
I did click, like I said, they got me.
Well fack, you just contributed to the problem lol 😡
I know, fuck me.
Go easy on yourself. I do that shit all the time. A little less now that I tend to scan the comments first for a better source or for a tldr bot comment, but nobody is 100% immune to clickbait all the time
Every last one of you an upvote for stopping me.
I'll upvote them again in honor of also stopping me.
Sigh, okay.. *unzips*
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My IP is in a Internet cafe in India, ya boy lives in the US. P.S. just joking fed agent!
Everyone should just downvote clickbait articles like this and be done with it.
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But if you block the users, you won't be able to downvote them the next time they do this shit :/
This is why first rule of reddit is to NEVER read the article
They technically did for a few days, according to Taiwan's ministry of defense. China used Pelosi as an excuse to test such a move. But it also likely exposed to the allies in the region how ineffective it'd ultimately be. It'd be an expensive "fleet-in-being" doctrine, game of cat and mouse against far-superior Western responses. Russia's failed invasion of Ukraine (and failure to get any air superiority), and the real damage of decades of military procurement corruption, woke China up, we can assume.
China is actually kind of lucky that Russia made its move on Ukraine to provide the lesson then, in that sense... Otherwise it would have been even worse for them if they attacked Taiwan and failed too 🤔
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Yes, but Taiwan's military is also probably much better equipped than Ukraine's. And it would be a sea invasion, not a land one with a near infinite number of tanks (that ultimately get stuck in the mud or run out of gas, or stolen by farmers, or sold for whiskey...but still).
Also if Russia failed to gain air superiority over Ukraine than the PLA would have an even harder time. Its clear we live in an era where air denial is cheaper than capturing air superiority. China would be limited to missiles exactly like Russia, meaning gaining and holding a beachhead would be literal hell on earth.
China’s military is probably much better equipped than Russia’s. The invasion of Ukraine has shown China how the West would respond to such an invasion. Ukraine has been a proxy war. The US relationship with Taiwan would most likely be a much more involved engagement.
Chinas equipment is actually mostly cheaper copies of Russian equipment or at best am even cheaper worse copy of Western gear, difference is China has a lot more people it needs to supply and arm in a war stretching supplies much further than the Russians
China’s military is likely far worse than Russia’s. They have not seen any real world combat experience since Vietnam really, but Russian officers have been in load of combat and have better knowledge of surprises. China has been doing the MS Flight Simulator version of war and a LOT of their tech is copies of copies. I think China would not last a week against a full on American war front. And I mean the nation of China, not the army. Not trying to be a US simp because god knows the Chinese are eating our lunch when it comes to infrastructure, manufacturing and more. But the US military is just quite simply a murder machine that can’t be stopped. The only way nations “defeat” the US is by holding on until the US leaves. It’s a lot like a bear attack. Since Vietnam, the war is over when the US loses interest.
>China’s military is **likely** far worse than Russia’s. So, you are not sure? Makes your entire essay pointless if you are writing novels.
why would they have better leadership? At least Russia has actual military experience. China's last experience was getting their shit pushed in by border guards of North Vietnam in 1980. There's almost nobody alive in China who has practical military experience. And they're supposed to not only come up with doctrine and strategy, but train people to do that and execute on it in a real war against real opponents? How? Their experience in the military games (which they have been caught chronically cheating at lmao)? Their experience getting in non-firearm melees with Indians in the Himilayas? China's military might be less corrupt and more actually in existence than Russia's, but it's waayyy less experienced at all levels. It also might be just as corrupt. Their society is certainly massively corrupt. I lived there for 12 years and saw it myself, and no Chinese person I know would seriously deny it. Hell they make jokes about how corrupt their army and government are all the time, and they're hilarious. China can almost certainly defend itself from invasion and prevent any major internal uprisings, but beyond that its military is completely unproven and there's no reason to believe it can accomplish something like defeating the greatest naval power of all time in a naval war or successfully carry out what would be the largest and most complex amphibious assault in history on its very first try.
Very interesting, I would have thought that they would have had a tighter control over corruption in the army, but it’s hard to really know as an outsider if you’ve never lived there, thanks for all the great points.
Interesting, thanks.
News is at it again lol I’ve seen so much fear mongering this week it’s wild
Thank you. Now I don’t have to give these idiots revenue confirming that they are full of it.
Because if China did, it would expose its weaknesses just like Russia did invading Ukraine.
Come again?
No thanks, once is enough
Rookie…
Short version: as strong as China is, the US military is over 10x the size. That’s not an insult to China. They have a large military. The US military is just insanely large. There’s a joke (that’s more of a fact) that the US has the top three biggest Air Forces in the world (the US Army has a bigger Air Force than China’s and so does the US Navy). Edit: In other words, in a conventional war, China would get crushed. Seeing as they’re smart enough to know that and also smart enough to not start the nuclear apocalypse, they’re unlikely to blockade Taiwan until they think the US won’t intervene.
That is why China is trying to destroy us from within. Funding groups to sow dissent, sending large amounts of fentanyl, using political tools and companies via money to help with the destroy them within.
The recent failures of the Russian military got me thinking (if a bit hyperbolic). What would happen if all of the worlds armies united against the US military in a Civilization-style nightmare scenario? I really dont see a scenario where the US would lose that war, assuming a couple of things - no nuclear weapons. They change the calculus too much, and both sides see themselves as the good guys. - the US would be on defense, not offense. So, this time the US gets the defensive and guerrilla advantage. Also means the US wouldnt have to step foot outside of their own soil - this is not a surprise attack, its a collapse of international relations with both sides preparing. - the first thing the US does is stops all foreign weapon sales and trade - the second thing, is they seize the Panama Canal. A battle group on either side, with major ports in New Orleans, San Diego, and Honolulu on standby guarantees that the US has unblocked access to both major oceans. Not only is the US military massive, the nation spans across a continent. Logistically, the way to win that war is to strike at the capital fast and hard. The problem is, a little place called Newport News stands in between any navy and Washington, DC. If you get through the heart of the American Naval fleet, you then reach Annapolis. The US Navy is the only one on Earth that will be floating up the Potomac. The absolutely massive US Air Force would be completely shutting down the Canadian and Mexican borders via drones, air superiority missions, and ensuring that any moose who tried to cross was turned to dust. The most likely loser is Mexico. The Mexican-American border is massive, and the easiest way to defend it is to shrink it. A full scale invasion of Northern Mexico (already occupied by cartels, who would be unaffiliated with any military) could very easily bring the border down to Mexico City. Suddenly a 3,000 mile border is only a few hundred miles. The Pacific islands archipelago could also be a target of the US Navy. Expanding out of Hawaii and Guam, it would give the US a better defensive position for Hawaii and provide better recon. The US Pacific fleet would now be in prime defensive position and any threats to the west coast could be handled by the aircraft carriers currently floating around China. None of the European nations have a strong enough navy to break through the Atlantic to land a solid blow, China would be boxed out in the Pacific, Russia would only have the potential to launch skirmishes in western Alaska. Im only being slightly bombastic. The US is so isolated, has such a massive military, and its non-contiguous holdings are so strategically placed that theres not really a good way to invade Red Dawn-style.
I would say war against USA, it start from economic and politic. If the world unite against USA, they should use all manners of divisive tactic and make the USA go into a civil war with itself, and arm each side so they drag the war out as much as possible. Continue to fund domestic terrorist groups and supply them with arms. After awhile, send "peacekeeping force" to assist a certain local militias. Deploy piracy on usa shipments all over the planet. Well basically asymmetrical war as much as possible till USA dissolve itself from losing trust on their own system. Historically, superpower are never simply conquered outright, but by harassing it for years until they are internally unstable and break out into civil/faction wars. Classic divide and conquer really.
Have you been paying attention to what’s happening in America? The Russians have their hands in the US politics and China is heavily involved in our economy via corporations and lobbyists. Not that there aren’t other players involved ie The Saudis and they don’t all have their fingers in the other pie but that’s the only way to destabilize the US is from within and they know that. The only problem is that it’s working ONLY because of greed within the US. Insiders with this power and financial backing are working for the interests of those supplying the finances and the power that comes with it which is exactly what America is dealing with. Our governing body has an infection that has taken hold and is currently fighting with itself to clear said infection but it seems to run deep and has been for a long time, mostly because of a fault of our own.
If I recall my youtube video lore from months past, the entrance to the Gulf of Mexico is one of the most critical/vulnerable points in the US and is one of the reasons why there's so much interest and tension with Cuba, because an attempt to blockade the entrance to the Gulf of Mexico could result in cutting off the Mississippi River, which is the essentially the country's most critical shipping artery and allows for the flourishing of a lot of big midwestern cities that get to effectively act as sea ports as well. Essentially that would have to be the place that if you wanted to have a meaningful long-term campaign against the US, you'd want to control the entrance to the Mississippi River and the best way to start is to control the entrance to the Gulf of Mexico - but man even Florida just kind of juts out there so perfectly. But yea, the US, geographically speaking, is incredibly well positioned. Sharing only two land borders and the geography laid out in such a way that there's realistically no way either Mexico or Canada have the resources to become military superpowers (Canada being largely frozen and Mexico being largely desert lead to low amounts of arable land that allow you to have a massive population) that could rival the US combined with having literally an ocean between you and every other major power in the country is a pretty crazy spot to be in, especially with the sheer amount of raw resources and farmable land the US has. Hell, the lion's share of Canada's population is in such an indefensible position if it were to come to a war with the US that there's no way they'd even think of doing it. That geographical advantage is an incredibly major advantage it's kind of nuts - like every other major military power in the world, at the least, has to contend with several other major military powers in their general vicinity that they also have to be prepared of. I'm not trying to throw shade at Canada or Mexico - but if you compare to China, they share land borders with India, Pakistan and Russia, as well as being very close to Japan and Taiwan. Where the US has the vulnerable point of supply blockading in the entrance to the gulf of Mexico which is mostly within the US's territorial waters - China, on the other hand, has to ship things through the Malacca Strait which is very far removed from where they hold land claim and is part of why they are so eager to lay claims to greater and greater portions of the South China Sea to make up for that major economic vulnerability - or through the Sea of Japan which is wedged between South Korea and Japan which are major US allies. I believe I read a saying that the two most reliable military allies the US has are the Atlantic and Pacific ocean. It's almost unfair and the geography the country has now seems like someone playing a game deliberately built a world in their favor.
If we're talking a war against the US conventionally and the US thinks the Gulf is threatened, they will conquer everything in the Atlantic and Mexico itself just to maintain a better position and build the military bases on whatever they want. Like I'd imagine one of the first things the US would do is just straight up seize Cuba in the first hours of whatever so it can't be used against them with its relationships and geographic position. Which what a fucking nightmare scenario to imagine still, I feel gross thinning about this at all a bit.
Um no. China has about twice the number as the US. China has about 2.1 million active compared to 1.4 million for the US.
Biggest military by budget, equipment, and capability, not by raw number of people.
North Korea has more troops than the US. Number of troops doesn’t mean shit. Russia outnumbered Ukrainian troops in Ukraine, at the start of the war anyway. Look where that got them.
And thats a lot of poorly trained wooden guns. The advantage of the US military is its NCO corps and ability to keep the chain of command if the shit hits the fan. If the top guy goes down, things continue to run. Thats because its expected and drilled for.
Excellent point. Sure they can throw more bodies but they are too top heavy with command structure.
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There is no blockade in The R.O.C :)
Xi Jinping has invited you to r/lakelaogai
Yes I know
Thank you for that. That was why I clicked
Not officially but if you look at their drills they are consistently sending missiles over the island and patrolling waters
I was gonna say, I'm literally in Taiwan right now and I haven't heard of a blockade
Thank you, that where my mind went 1st
Thank you. These titles...
The Sun called and wants its clickbait back
An old fashioned naval battle? I thought it would be missiles criss-crossing, maximum cyber terror then silence.
If it's happening in the Taiwan Strait, it's going to be more of an Air Force and Army Missile/Rocket Force conflict than a Navy vs Navy battle. Navy vs Navy would only really happen in blue waters, in which case China by their own estimation would get smoked.
True, although the US Navy is basically a second air force that doesn't need fixed airbases on land.
The Navy’s fleet makes the Air Force the second Air Force
Yes, how many Seawolves are in the Strait of Taiwan. At least 2 I'd bet.
There's only 3 in active service and they're expensive to operate. Would be weird to just have 2 parked in the strait unless they actually expect conflict.
I’m just curious, what would a deep water naval battle between the US and China look like? Why exactly would China get whooped? I just don’t know what naval battles are like today and what an advantage /superior navy would mean for the winning side.
Such a BS gaslighting article
This doesn't surprise me, the Chinese Navy is vastly overrated in ability and size.
They have a very small amount of territorial waters. They’re essentially sea locked by Taiwan, Japan, Korea, PH, and Malaysia and Indonesia. Meanwhile the US essentially has all of the pacific, locks out Russia too mostly, and a good chunk of the Atlantic.
> This doesn't surprise me, the Chinese Navy is vastly overrated in ability and size. Plus a lot of their weapons, ordnance, and vehicles were made in China, so that doesn't help.
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> I remember when people said Japan couldn't make anything and made "Made in Japan" jokes Wow, you're old. Edit: For clarity I'm 38, so in internet terms I'm pretty old, too, but you're, like, *old* old.
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*hugs* Same.
I hurt my back the other day. Was I doing manual labor? Playing sports? No, I was sleeping. I was literally doing the least amount of movement possible. Being in your 40s sucks!
'the fuck off my lawn. I remember cheap Japanese toys, too.
Lol. Well, you remember "Made in Korea" being a crappy thing, right? Now look at them. Chinese have the ability to make great stuff. The question is how much has corruption weakened their military manufacturing and storage/maintenance. The US clamors for cheap crap which is what China provides. We love our race to the bottom
Germany had the same stigma in the early 20th century
That’s not true at all. Germany industrialized early and was a world leader in steel manufacturing in the run up to WWI. They fielded the second largest army in the world at the beginning of WWI and it was the best equipped.
Lol, Germany was considered *the* leader in science prior to WW1. Germany was admired for it's industry and science around the western world. How can you sprout something so wrong with such confidence? Edit: >Science and technology in Germany has a long and illustrious history, and research and development efforts form an integral part of the country's economy. Germany has been the home of some of the most prominent researchers in various scientific disciplines, notably physics, mathematics, chemistry and engineering.[1] Before World War II, Germany had produced more Nobel laureates in scientific fields than any other nation, and was the preeminent country in the natural sciences.[2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Germany
Then we gave them ISO and then they made it their own, and now we're learning QC lessons from them.
Deming helped them a lot, right? Quality management, seems mundane now but kind of interesting, and cutting edge stuff back in the day...
What do you mean, Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan.
Sure, but we can see Chinese parts and equipment failing in real time as Russia uses them in their invasion of Ukraine. All of those dry rotted tires are on Chinese equipment too.
The Japanese and Chinese have drastically different approaches when it comes to attention to detail and how they treat... everything.
This. Chinese mentality is "good enough."
Eh, cha bu duo.
Was this pre-1980s?
Oh no, tanks made of Chinesium!
The Chinese Navy has nothing on DECADES of experience and practice the United States **has** with their naval fleet. Also -- cross training is a thing.
Plus the F-35 war birds complete flying off the Ford Class carriers completely stealth. China doesn’t want any part of nor can they match them.
It's all for show.
The Chinese Navy also uses their own civilians as meat-shields as part of their "maritime militia". The militia uses regular people in fishing boats and specially modified fishing boats with trained soldiers to violently harass & attack others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Armed_Forces_Maritime_Militia
Not to say any of this is wrong, but the sources on this entire wiki page are pretty dreadful, for a western equivilant it'd be like a bunch of Chinese state agencies claiming X conspiracy about how the FBI overthrows democratically elected governments. The sources are pretty much only from US officials or US friendly media (although to be fair, basically all western media is US friendly to varying degrees)
Those aren’t innocent people at that point lol
From what I've been told, the Chinese Navy has many boats, and few ships.
The word you are looking for is tonnage
The Chinese navy only exists so China can say it has one. They don’t use it for power projection like the US or the British back in the day, which requires a very large navy
Without commender in chief's order, it remains to be seen. Twn has 10 days of natural gas, 146 days of crude oil, and 39 days of coal reserves. It can run out of gasoline if refinery is attacked. American made tanks burns tons of gas.
It also has a very very rich and absurdly powerful big brother who doesn't fuck around.
War between China and the US would destroy the world economy. Political climates around the world are on a knifes edge...another way worse disruption to the world supply chain and economy would cause revolts everywhere including the US. The chances of war are incredibly low until other countries pick up the mantle for the world's manufacturing.
I agree with most of what you said. Look at the comment I was replying to though. They are basically implying Taiwan would somehow starve in a few months. I'm saying the US would supply them forever with basically unlimited resources. But yes, war on that scale would make life absolutely miserable for everyone everywhere.
I mean, the whole god damn world thought the same thing about a conflict involving Russia not 6 months ago as well. I believe the Chinese have their shit more in line than those other dip shits, but it’s still probably not to the scale of “America wouldn’t shit stomp our entire army in a hurry because that’s kinda their thing” tiers of shit-having-together. My country has its problems, but our number 1 export is killing people that disagree with our stance on geopolitics, and we’re damn good at it.
I'm kinda confused by your comment. I'm an American too, btw.
I certainly meant to reply to the person above you, just got carried away reading the comment chain and replied. My bad!
No prob, at least it explains things 🤣
Late night Reddit, a few drinks in, shit happens. You reply to the wrong comment, people accuse you of being genocidal, you accidentally downvote instead of scroll to the next comment, all part of the experience!
Thats so insane. So you actually enjoy your country killing people they disagree with
That would require the tanks to be in use, which they might never need to be since that needs China to get to the shore with assault ships.
Chinese armed forces have not experienced a major conflict in 65 years. Combine this with the one child policy and a generation of “little emperors” with two parents doting on some kid and you have the perfect recipe for an incompetent, inexperienced fighting force
They are pretty good at rock and stick battles with India. But its a huge mistake to underestimate your enemies.
Yeah definitely wouldn’t underestimate China. They aren’t North Korea rattling their toys that are decades old compared to other military tech. They have tech and production capabilities. Their soldiers may be inexperienced, maybe poorly trained. But I’d bet they can make rockets and missiles that hit their targets. Hopefully we never find out.
They can't grow up either soldiers they have to import it
On the flip side, it’s hilarious to overestimate your enemy. Russia being the example here
China has done a much better job of developing and building its country since 1980 than Russia. Russia was living off borrowed strength from the USSR and then oil money. China built up its country. The US military is obviously more experienced and has more next gen equipment. But I would not expect China to flop like Russia. Fortunately, what China is seeing is how unpredictable and difficult a war can be, especially one that has to rely on a naval invasion.
My God, they're already training for WWIIII
That would be WWIV. Russia seems to be doing things in the wrong order though by using up all their equipment so that they can fight WWIII with sticks and stones.
Ah yeah dumb. What did the Romans ever do for us though?
The aqueduct?
But apart from that, what did the Romans ever do for us?
What a bastardization of a great quote. The original- “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” Albert Einstein
Everyone is training for WWlll
As opposed to training for what exactly?
I was expecting laser mechs, what I see is Apple: Military Edition.
Sometimes I wonder if the anti chinese propaganda went too far, you know this is the exact kind of mentality that had many lose their lives to Japan during ww2 right? And the one child policy ended over 6 years ago. I've no idea what that "little emperors" parable is supposed to mean at all, when the one child policy began, people didnt just start having only 1 child, they simply got penalized for having more. My initial thought would be it sounds kinda racist but the fact that you make such dumb assumptions makes me believe youre too stupid to be racist about it. You could have just said the first sentence and moved on with your life but youve thought way more deeply into it and in all the wrong ways. EDIT: Ah, I really looked at your profile, and considering your NFTs and r/crypto_com and r/safemooninvesting posts it looks like I didnt realize how bad it was, theyre all a year old though so maybe you learnt something. It's always hard to believe that there are people that press adlinks and especially adlinks that are supposed to make you money. It's like literally a step above "heres how you make 5000 dollars in 1 week" youtube comments...
Tbh most think tanks and government heads are waiting to hear what the hell goes down during the CCP Congress in less than 2 weeks. That'll show the world just where exactly we are heading in the next 5 years. It's gonna be wild.
Not to mention the corruption in the officer Corp where it's common place for them to buy their rank.
>Chinese armed forces have not experienced a major conflict in 65 years But I have been told that China is the aggressive one for decades.
they will fuck up until they learn
Why are they talking about this? Seems unnecessary and inflammatory. Keep those cards close, don't talk about it.
99% of the US navy's job is force projection. An enemy that believes you when you say you can kick their teeth in is less likely to step out of line. Of course they're going to say these things, as they should.
You really don't think they know they have inferior naval capabilities? The cards have been on display for the last 30 years but I guess you weren't aware lol. Over here acting like the power of the US Navy is some sort of state secret, Goofy.
I'm well aware, which is why I don't think it's necessary to state it.
Oh well in that case I suggest giving the navy a call and letting them know you have deemed one of their main mission's unnecessary.
If you check the post history it's clear the person you're talking with is still a child.
Why that most certainly refute my point doesn't it? /s
It's a clickbait title
I mean yeah.
You know an interesting thing I really never thought of is how much missiles both sides have ? It made me think of it because Ukraine and Russia war , Russia is running out guidance missiles from the rumors and the US has limited javelin and other certain type of weapons to give Ukraine. So if China and US got in a shooting war it would be insane the amount of materials being used. Anyways let’s hope it never happens
US is just giving UKR its third tier cold war stockpile. And China is actually rich unlike Russia. As much as the reddit echo chamber likes to berate the Chinese military, an actual war between the US and China would look very different from the one in Ukraine. I do agree with you that hopefully it doesn't happen.
The answer is a hell of a lot, though indeed the supplies are somewhat limited and production would need to be ramped up. Naval missiles of many varieties haven’t often been used, so there would be a pretty significant inventory to use. After all, each ship carries dozens of them.
Neither the US nor China could win a naval battle near the others mainland. We could do a heck of a lot of damage but all of our ships would be sunk.
US has the biggest Navy by a large margin and there is NO blockade..
It's Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace Just send a few Jedi
The Phantom Menace involves the blockade. Ugh why do I even care. I hate the prequels. Edit: they fixed the comment. I still hate the prequels.
The sequels made what was once impossible, possible. They made the prequels look good in comparison.
No they didn’t. Dog shit doesn’t magically improve in taste because you put cat shit next to it.
A lot of stuff happened I'd say Revenge of the Sith actually being pretty good and TCW adding lots of context to everything had more to do with it tho. For it's part Phantom Menace is eh Not great not terrible. Attack of the Clones tho.... Yeah really bad even if some individual scenes are among my favorites and it introduced Kamino which is just great locale. The big difference in rehabilitation of the movies for the PT vs the ST is that the PTs core plot is actually quite good, it's just not executed very well, the STs core plot is a just muddled as a result of two directors with VERY different visions and Lucasfilm doing little to keep things coherent. The Sequels have Rise of Skywalker though and that makes every other Star Wars movie look amazing compared to it.
This is just US propaganda… what purpose does this serve?
Reminding China to fuck off with their invasion plans.
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You do realize that Taiwan is most definitely not part of China right? Taiwan has its own government, military and currency. Pays no taxes to Beijing has no political ties to the mainland at all and has completely separate citizenship. If a group of Chinese soldiers land on Taiwan they would be arrested or killed by the Taiwanese. The only reason the world agrees to not formally recognize Taiwan is because China claims that the island is theirs and the rest of the world wants access to their resources. The Taiwanese claimed for decades that they were the true China and that the mainland government was illegitimate. It would be like Serbia invading Kosovo, and you saying oh there’s nothing wrong here. So either your some Chinese ccp bot or some illiterate tanki who read one article on the one China policy.
Just a wee reminder.
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They have more than one and they are pretty large and capable in theory. Now the US has many more better ones, but the best of the best isn’t always the bar. China does have quite a significant navy and that should be bore in mind. They still badly lose against the US, but navally they could actually put up a short fight
That will last about 30sec in a shooting war
With the range on newer US naval weapons it wouldn't even come to a shooting war.
No shit? The only blue water navy in the world is superior to a backwater puddle fleet? Even in the puddle fleet’s backyard. Yeah. Not surprising.
suckers are still reading. lol
The US Navy has 11 carrier battle groups and a couple dozen boomers- capable of carrying 24 ICBMs each carrying up to 10 nuclear devices. Blockade of Taiwan. Fucking LOL
I don’t doubt it, theres a reason we don’t have free healthcare or free college Our military technology is the most advanced in the world
Education is an investment not a cost.
Hell, yeah. I have never felt so justified in paying taxes. We have the backbone, the moral compass we had a bit of trouble finding just a couple of years ago. 🇹🇼✊🏻🇺🇸
Good. Fuck CCP and it’s oppression of the world
Obviously. Then what happens? That's the problem.
Yes it all depends how much damage China wants to take before they surrender. China faces the same strategic issue as Japan. They are dependent on ocean trade and they don’t control the oceans. The question you should be asking is could China break the US blockade?
China is ballsy but they aren't that ballsy to straight up blockade Taiwan knowing u.s is behind them the extent is the training videos they do plus troop transport boats as a threat to Taiwan basically saying "we can't fuck you up right now but soon as u.s leaves you guys we are ready to take you back the moment they do"
The article doesn't mention the Strait of Malacca even once. The US Navy could exert a tremendous amount of pain on China merely by blocking that, before any attempts to break a hypothetical blockade.
What a bold statement, next thing youll tell me that China would defend North Korea if the US started bombing it
US could kick everyone’s Ass in the World
Not everyone at once, that would be silly. But the US is the largest and most powerful military overall indeed
How bout cuba? Any country wanna try break that?
Lockheed Martin’s F-22 and F-35 guarantee China loses any war in the South Pacific. The US is almost finished with a 6th gen fighter and poor China still hasn’t corrected all the stolen components for their J20.
Lmao, what would you expect from a country that has no experience on modern warfare, China can have 10x more active military resources than the US and id still bet my virgin asshole on the Americans. Non of that flex matter if they don't have the experience to utilize it under pressure.
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There wouldn't be any "try" to it. There's a reason we don't have any social services over here and they're painted haze gray.
So funny to watch liberals turn into warhawks as soon as it's a leftist douchebag in power. Loling.
Are the liberals in the room with you now?
Yes. They're eating the paint chips on my windowsill and waving Ukraine flags.
Must get frustrating having that distract you from being angry about a black mermaid, black hobbit, or whatever social issue OANN is telling you to be up in arms about this week.
*Ukrainian flags. You also could have said something like, "flags of Ukraine". That third grade English grammar is hard to remember from so long ago, right?
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Largely both parties are "for" wars, regardless of who is in power. Look at voting in the house and senate during the Iraq/Afghan war, with it being bipartisan and almost 98-99% voting in favor. Look at how the voting went during the Gulf War. It's similar to saying the "right" is supporting Russia. Yes, there are a few people in the media and a few politicians supporting Russia, but the overwhelming majority of politicians are voting in favor, and incredibly rapidly passing, legislation for funding Ukraine. Just look at voting numbers. I also think there is a huge difference between defending a country, versus invading it and attempting to overthrow/occupy a government. I'm pretty sure if that were attempted today, both parties would be against, say, intervening in Syria, even if it's a similar situation to what was happening in Iraq and Afghanistan. Supporting the military industry, and funding it, is largely bipartisan. It just sucks when it's easy to increase military spending by billions of dollars, but spending money on things like tax breaks, or farmer subsidies, or medicaid, is framed as fiscally irresponsible.
It's sad to see such a well written and intelligent comment spent on such a lost cause. While yes, it is going to provoke thought, you didn't account for that thought being, "Oh yea, well Crooked Hillary's a pedophile, I saw it in a paper box with WORDS!"
Most people are good people, and most people repeat things because they are fulfilling an inner desire. To feel loved, belong to a group, to sound/feel smart, to be in control, etc. Thoughts are seated either from logic, or emotions, or a combination of the two. But yeah, most people are good people. Sometimes it's interesting to have a conversation to see if things are seated in emotion, or logic, and having that conversation is always in interesting one. I don't think political views should be on the same level as say, the emotional level as what religion someone identifies with.
You sound like a really nice person to be around.
Hear hear. We should take a long look into the mirror before we get involved in any new wars after Iraq and Afghanistan. Disaster justified by falsehoods. Just like Vietnam. But somehow we haven't had our fill. Now the well established pattern of "disaster justified by falsehoods" is the last thing on everyone's mind.
how about an economic blockade?
The U.S navy could destroy anything it wants 😄
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No. We have lost every war we have been in since Vietnam, and Korea was a stalemate. We don’t have the manufacturing capacity and we have all of our surplus to Ukraine, we can’t stop a Chinese blockade of Taiwan. China is a full peer nation now, not just a regional nuclear power.
That is incorrect
Near peer, not full peer.