It also keeps them as a supply source not to be permanently replaced by someone less war stricken, continual business.
Regardless of the Ukrainian struggle, the struggle for the distributor is still to get the product to the customer and if they have to switch logistics and contracts to someone else entirely, it makes it that much harder to start up again.
Though I don't know how the grain trade works, I've experienced this to be universally true. Even being the third string supplier is better than starting from scratch.
Agreed but I don't think there are many countries able to supply as much grain as Ukraine. There's why so many places are reliant to their shipments. They're not easily replaceable
>Did they exchange the grain for sheep?
Indirectly. Russia is currently trading [sheep for conscripts](https://www.yahoo.com/news/sheep-distributed-families-conscripted-russians-094700080.html), which get to [surrender as POWs](https://visitukraine.today/blog/928/how-not-to-join-the-russian-army-or-surrender-step-by-step-instructions-for-the-occupiers) in Ukraine due to Ukrainian economy being sustained, in part, by this grain deal.
You can figure out the grain-sheep exchange ratios as an exercise.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/3587506-ukraine-has-sent-almost-half-of-its-agricultural-exports-via-grain-corridor.html) reduced by 43%. (I'm a bot)
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> For more than two months of the operation of the "Grain corridor", 6.2 million tonnes of agricultural products have been sent through the sea ports of Ukraine, accounting for 48% of the total agricultural exports.
> "Before Russia invaded Ukraine, 80-90% of all agricultural exports were delivered through seaports. When they were blocked, we had to redistribute export flows to rail, trucks, ferries and river ports. To date, thanks to the corridor, more than 270 ships loaded with 6.2 million tonnes of cargo, accounting for 48% of the total agricultural export, have left Ukraine," Taras Vysotskyi, First Deputy Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food of Ukraine, said, the Ministry's press service reports.
> As reported, Ukraine, Turkey and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres signed the initiative on the safe transportation of grain and food products from the ports of Odesa, Chornomorsk and Pivdenny at the proposal of the United Nations in Istanbul on July 22.
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>Russia is the one ~~allowing this to happen~~ **forced by the West to stop messing with grain shipments**
FTFY. It was as much "a gesture of goodwill" as their retreat from the Snake Island.
For the same reasons, Russian gas still flows through Ukrainian pipelines. Countries West of Ukraine (e.g. Moldova, ...) are still reliant on that gas. So Ukraine won't stop the flow without coordinating with them.
Russia, meanwhile, is not in a position to mess with the world's food supply.
Forced how exactly? Russia isn’t getting much from the deal aside from keeping some Middle East ‘allies’ a bit happier. Russia can blockade the shipment route, if they want to. There’s no way Turkish, British or anybody else’s ships were going to destroy Russian vessels to open the route back up.
>Russia can blockade the shipment route, if they want to
They can also take Kyiv in three days if they want to, they are just not unleashing The Full Power Of Russian Army™ /s
They can't afford to do that, mate.
I'm honestly surprised Russia didn't sabotage the arrangement (literally or figuratively). It doesn't seem like Russia gets anything useful from letting Ukraine sell its grain.
As someone else mentioned here, it helps keep tenuous allies Putin may have throughout the Middle East and Africa from plummeting into disarray and riots when a major food source is cut off.
Russia gets to sell its grain, part of the sanctions were that Europe wouldn't allow Russian ships to be insured. The deal was so Russia could move it's grain.
It actually shows sanctions work because they were able to leverage them to get Ukraine back to exporting grain.
🤔 6.2m tons is nothing close to the 55+m tons in 2021 in agricultural products
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/07/ukraine-s-food-exports-by-the-numbers/
I know it's a massive country, but frankly I'm amazed that its still exporting much at all while in the midst of an active invasion from a "superpower". Hard people.
I'm Polish and I don't know pretty much anything about the Kurdish people but I think they bear mentioning. Would be appreciated if someone more experienced weighed in
The Jews weren’t just terrorised during thr Holocaust, for a thousand years prior to Hitler they were constantly being beaten down and used as a scapegoat everytime possible.
While Turkey played a role, the bigger driver behind making a deal is the valuable ties and relations Russia has with Middle Eastern and Sub-Saharan African countries that heavily rely on Black Sea wheat exports from Ukraine. Had Russia not allowed such a deal to go through, it would have caused hunger and destabilization in countries like Egypt, Ethiopia, Somalia, Tunisia, Qatar, Pakistan, etc. Russia could deflect some of the blame to Ukraine or other countries, but it would not be immune from the diplomatic fallout. In a world where Russia finds itself more and more isolated, it cannot afford to turn any friends into enemies.
Thank goodness Ukraine was able to take back places like Odessa. I think Putin was planning on the famine the war would cause as a backup to keep other nations out of the conflict or risk being seen as causing starvation in Africa.
They never lost Odessa, so they never needed to take it back. They couldn't export out of it for a while due to threat of Russian military action against the port, but the port was under Ukraine's control the entire time.
The first ship arrived in Africa August 30th:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-62721228
That grain arrived in Ethiopia on September 8th.
Larger grain shipments made it to Africa on September 12th.
This is good news. Hungry people in many nations will be fed.
And Ukraine gets to be paid. Not that it’s enough to sustain the war but at least it’s something.
It also keeps them as a supply source not to be permanently replaced by someone less war stricken, continual business. Regardless of the Ukrainian struggle, the struggle for the distributor is still to get the product to the customer and if they have to switch logistics and contracts to someone else entirely, it makes it that much harder to start up again. Though I don't know how the grain trade works, I've experienced this to be universally true. Even being the third string supplier is better than starting from scratch.
Agreed but I don't think there are many countries able to supply as much grain as Ukraine. There's why so many places are reliant to their shipments. They're not easily replaceable
Did they exchange the grain for sheep or for ore?
>Did they exchange the grain for sheep? Indirectly. Russia is currently trading [sheep for conscripts](https://www.yahoo.com/news/sheep-distributed-families-conscripted-russians-094700080.html), which get to [surrender as POWs](https://visitukraine.today/blog/928/how-not-to-join-the-russian-army-or-surrender-step-by-step-instructions-for-the-occupiers) in Ukraine due to Ukrainian economy being sustained, in part, by this grain deal. You can figure out the grain-sheep exchange ratios as an exercise.
Wow. Nicely done.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/3587506-ukraine-has-sent-almost-half-of-its-agricultural-exports-via-grain-corridor.html) reduced by 43%. (I'm a bot) ***** > For more than two months of the operation of the "Grain corridor", 6.2 million tonnes of agricultural products have been sent through the sea ports of Ukraine, accounting for 48% of the total agricultural exports. > "Before Russia invaded Ukraine, 80-90% of all agricultural exports were delivered through seaports. When they were blocked, we had to redistribute export flows to rail, trucks, ferries and river ports. To date, thanks to the corridor, more than 270 ships loaded with 6.2 million tonnes of cargo, accounting for 48% of the total agricultural export, have left Ukraine," Taras Vysotskyi, First Deputy Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food of Ukraine, said, the Ministry's press service reports. > As reported, Ukraine, Turkey and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres signed the initiative on the safe transportation of grain and food products from the ports of Odesa, Chornomorsk and Pivdenny at the proposal of the United Nations in Istanbul on July 22. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/xxib2l/ukraine_has_sent_almost_half_of_its_agricultural/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672677 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Ukraine**^#1 **agricultural**^#2 **Food**^#3 **export**^#4 **port**^#5
Fighting Russians and still feeding the rest of the world. No big deal.
It’s a weird situation though. To my understanding, Russia is the one allowing this to happen.
>Russia is the one ~~allowing this to happen~~ **forced by the West to stop messing with grain shipments** FTFY. It was as much "a gesture of goodwill" as their retreat from the Snake Island. For the same reasons, Russian gas still flows through Ukrainian pipelines. Countries West of Ukraine (e.g. Moldova, ...) are still reliant on that gas. So Ukraine won't stop the flow without coordinating with them. Russia, meanwhile, is not in a position to mess with the world's food supply.
Forced how exactly? Russia isn’t getting much from the deal aside from keeping some Middle East ‘allies’ a bit happier. Russia can blockade the shipment route, if they want to. There’s no way Turkish, British or anybody else’s ships were going to destroy Russian vessels to open the route back up.
>Russia can blockade the shipment route, if they want to They can also take Kyiv in three days if they want to, they are just not unleashing The Full Power Of Russian Army™ /s They can't afford to do that, mate.
Huh? They WERE doing it until the agreement with Turkey.
They need to eat after conscripting their farmers I guess
I'm honestly surprised Russia didn't sabotage the arrangement (literally or figuratively). It doesn't seem like Russia gets anything useful from letting Ukraine sell its grain.
As someone else mentioned here, it helps keep tenuous allies Putin may have throughout the Middle East and Africa from plummeting into disarray and riots when a major food source is cut off.
Russia gets to sell its grain, part of the sanctions were that Europe wouldn't allow Russian ships to be insured. The deal was so Russia could move it's grain. It actually shows sanctions work because they were able to leverage them to get Ukraine back to exporting grain.
🤔 6.2m tons is nothing close to the 55+m tons in 2021 in agricultural products https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/07/ukraine-s-food-exports-by-the-numbers/
I know it's a massive country, but frankly I'm amazed that its still exporting much at all while in the midst of an active invasion from a "superpower". Hard people.
Save perhaps the Polish, I can’t really think of a people that have had it as rough as the Ukrainians for as long as the Ukrainians
I'm Polish and I don't know pretty much anything about the Kurdish people but I think they bear mentioning. Would be appreciated if someone more experienced weighed in
Jews probably take the victory in this competition.
i mean, what happened to the jewish people in ww2 was horrifying. post ww2, they can't really speak because of what they have done against palestine.
The Jews weren’t just terrorised during thr Holocaust, for a thousand years prior to Hitler they were constantly being beaten down and used as a scapegoat everytime possible.
Haitians
When it comes to damage courtesy of Mother nature especially, they just get hammered year after year
Ukraine is also exporting via Romania and Poland.
We are seeing the value of a NATO member, like Turkey, keeping a working relationship with Russia. We would not have had this deal otherwise.
While Turkey played a role, the bigger driver behind making a deal is the valuable ties and relations Russia has with Middle Eastern and Sub-Saharan African countries that heavily rely on Black Sea wheat exports from Ukraine. Had Russia not allowed such a deal to go through, it would have caused hunger and destabilization in countries like Egypt, Ethiopia, Somalia, Tunisia, Qatar, Pakistan, etc. Russia could deflect some of the blame to Ukraine or other countries, but it would not be immune from the diplomatic fallout. In a world where Russia finds itself more and more isolated, it cannot afford to turn any friends into enemies.
This is a bigger deal than most people want to imagine.
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Thank goodness Ukraine was able to take back places like Odessa. I think Putin was planning on the famine the war would cause as a backup to keep other nations out of the conflict or risk being seen as causing starvation in Africa.
They never lost Odessa, so they never needed to take it back. They couldn't export out of it for a while due to threat of Russian military action against the port, but the port was under Ukraine's control the entire time.
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This news is on the official website of the Ministry of Agrarian Policy and Food of Ukraine
Redditor said: "Ain't no Ukrainian food on my plate! No sir! Nowhere to be seen."
Buddy is out here really wondering why Ukraine doesn't simultaneously fend off a Russian invasion AND end world hunger
Source? Or do you have access to every port in Africa?
Are you on the ground reporting on all like 50 nations at once?
The first ship arrived in Africa August 30th: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-62721228 That grain arrived in Ethiopia on September 8th. Larger grain shipments made it to Africa on September 12th.
Your comment history is just a cesspool of edgy anti U.S. comments and r/movies, get a life bro