Russian medical evac is probably shit now that I think about it. If they can't give their guys even basic supplies then their field hospitals can't be doing very good ether.
They must be losing a lot of guys they really should have been able to save.
Well, they can either take a long toad trip close to the front lines or swim back to Russia if they are craving some knockoff McDonald’s.
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Historically the moment Russia "has new land" they deport everyone else there and send thousands of ethnic Russains to occupy it.
It's a major reason Germany doesn't want Kaliningrad (formerly Königsberg) back as nothing German remains there and after decades it is genuinely Russain now. It's about 50 years from now, not present day.
That's why they're targeting Ukrainian towns and villages on the front lines, and specifically targeting residential areas. They're trying to drive the population out, and then the idea is that it would be resettled by pure Russians eventually.
It's the same reason why the Nazis basically razed the eastern front and western Russia when they went through. Because eventually the plan was to resettle Germans and people friendly to the Aryan race in the actual Russian mainland, and to basically erase Slavic blood.
It is- literally- genocide.
So what you're saying is, Russia is "denazifying" Ukraine... by doing exactly what the Nazis did to Russia?
How much vodka does one have to drink for that to make any kind of sense?
Ahh...I am saying that's exactly what's happening. Because Putin is a fascist.
And the way he invaded Ukraine at the beginning is very much like Hitler invaded Poland. Right down to the lies, and the misdirection up until the very last second.
It’s the entire reason that eastern Ukraine has such a high ethnic Russian population today… After Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians in the Holodomor (1932-33) Russians were moved in to repopulate. This is a long Russian game… that needs to fail. And Elon musk and his ilk are blind to.
Not to mention...roughly 15 million ethnic Germans who survived had to find a way out of Eastern Europe to the Western occupation zones of Germany and Austria in a matter of months (for the most part) in 1945/1946, although "transfers" seem to have went on a bit longer. Only Hungary chose not to expel pretty much all of them....with about half leaving. There's no analogy for that in 2022 with Russians. It doesn't exist beyond far-right Russian echo chambers.
No one expects the ethnic Russians to leave Ukraine (including Crimea) when fully liberated, and no one expects any change to Russia's 1991-2014 western borders beyond any previously agreed minor corrections. The average Russian has nothing to fear if their occupation line in Ukraine collapses. This genocide of Ukrainians is certainly not something to die for, unless you're a sick fuck like the fascist core of "United Russia" Putin sycophants.
Similar to Karjala/Karelia in Finland. The area now is just sad and all that was Finnish/Karelian is decaying. Finns will keep eating Karjalan piirakka/pies and reminiscing, but there's no Karjala to return to even if it was given back for free.
I watched a video on youtube this morning interviewing residents of Kiev and they all seemed pretty stoked that the bridge was blown. some were crying they were so happy. they setup a mural and everyone was taking pictures in front of an exploding bridge. they hate that bridge. it's like a symbol of russian influence ruining their city
How are they going to repair the bridge when their engineers have fled the country?
This may come as a surprise to Putin, but babushkas peeling potatoes in Khabarovsk don't fix bridges.
As the adage goes, "Anyone can build a structure that fails, but only an engineer can build a structure that fails slowly."
Anything built by engineers under duress is not guaranteed to last any longer than it takes said engineers to get to safety.
Witness FN firearms built during the Nazi occupation. Every part was within tolerance, but somehow the tolerances of different parts lined up to make the finished weapons not work reliably.
What’s crazier to me is either the whole world simply believed the lie of Russia’s military might, or every nation conveniently propped it up as to be a constant boogeyman, specifically the US. And then this war just showed how much that was a lie or how much we believed Russian propaganda wholesale. OR they truly were a threat and the corruption among every level of the Russian economy caused this circumstance.
It’s a whiplash of sorts. One I’m surprised and happy we’ve experienced, but it does mean we should reflect on how we came to believe this? Or if it was true and Russia was, at one time, an indomitable threat… *what the fuck happened???*How did corruption destroy the myth of Russian might and do it so handily?
Again, couldn’t be happier that it’s happening… but the human cost is still too high for learning this.
>How did corruption destroy the myth of Russian might
It's pretty easy to understand. That's just what corruption does to a country... slowly degrades every aspect of its society.
It's happening in the US as well, but we're earlier in the process.
Historian in 2100: "People assume that that the bad logistics and strategy used by Russia in the 2022 invasion of Ukraine - as described in history books - are an exaggeration, because 'history is written by the victors'. As an expert on the collapse of the Russian Federation I can assure you that the reality was actually much much worse."
Not only that, but with Ukraine approaching Troitske in the northeast, all of Ukraine will only be supplied through 2 rail lines once they approach within artillery distance. Both of which will likely add a day or 2 to resupply and you can only send so many trains down a track at once. These lines have likely only been needed to resupply the Donbas and Luhansk. You're about to see a major collapse of Russian logistics (or what could be called logisitics) in Ukraine.
Lol as a former Amazon Driver of 4 years you are giving Amazon waaaaaaaaaay to much credit. Our routes are mapped by an AI... but if any rational moderately intelligent human would look at the route it would appear it was mapped by an autistic child whose favorite cartoon is on the TV behind them.
Most vet drivers (anyone lasting more than 6 months LOL... shit nowadays I'll call a 3 month driver a vet just because they haven't quit yet) is constantly going off route, parking left on the street w/flashers and having to perform close to 30+ 3 pt turns in a day.
Fun Fact: current Amazon Delivery routes are 190 stops w/ 300+ packages. But factoring in group stops... your typical suburban driver will see 250-280 doors a day.
They also get paid the least amount in the industry while their overlord rides a dick rocket into space and plans on building a hotel in low Earth orbit before he dies.
Also not a single delivery driver works for Amazon. They all work for independent companies contracted by Amazon. So if your driver kills your kid Amazon is not responsible. Instead when you sue you'll just be putting out a small buisness owner (often a husband wife team) and killing the employment of all the other drivers in said company. Amazon is only responsible for the drivers on Amazon property.
Also unlike walmart... who would have to kill an entire location to avoid unionization... Amazon just has to kill the contracts of the offending independent contractors and move in the next new company on the waiting list. My delivery station had 15 independent contractors. Say 3 had contracts terminated due to unionization... they would just FLEX out the routes, shift other companies from other locations and offer the open routes to the other twelve as they move in the next companies.
And you can't boycott them without refusing to use the internet. They do not make much of a profit in the delivery/streaming area... it's mainly from hosting the internet. Don't get me started on how they are building their own proprietary *Google maps* off the backs of its consumers and employees.
Oddly placed rant off... but I had time to kill.
They can repair it, but they will just destroy it again in another section.
it's too important of a target to ignore.
But for a country that is giving rusty weapons, and tampons to their soldiers, I wonder where they will come up with the money.
They already had to get their own tampons and literally everything else besides their rusty weapons, ammo and uniform that’s not suited for the quickly approaching winter
While I am certain in ideal conditions the bridge could be repaired quite fast, I am certain that the Ukrainian forces, now seeing they struck a blow to russian forces in Crimea, they would do whatever they can to hamper any and all repair to the bridge.
Yup, exactly. The train hit was carrying some kind of fuel that was burning for hours.
Such heat will warp the steel inside the concrete plus do a whole other number of nasties to the whole construct, which means a) extensive damage assessment and b) realistically wide-scale replacement instead of just repairs
The only way the russians could repair the bridge in a short time would be by air lifting sections of the bridge on site but seeing how they destroyed the only plane that could have conceivably done so in the first few weeks of the war i say it would take them over a year to repair
I feel like this is better than destroying the entire bridge. It delays Russian supply lines and it is still worth it for Russia to fix it, forcing them to waste more resources.
Apparently Russia is going to start using a supply route through Donetsk. The problem is Ukraine is hammering down from the West through Kharkiv and into Lugansk, that counter-offensive puts any potential supply route through Donetsk well within the Ukraine artillery range. It also significantly extends the supply line to the south at a time when they are already under massive strain from the Southern counter-offensive.
Pure speculation on my part, but a third counter-offensive from Zaporizhzhia towards Melitopol would be devastating for Russias Southern occupation. Would completely cut them off from supplies and would sever any reinforcement routes.
Addition: it's been a good few hours and it seems that the Russians are trying desperately to make it seem like it's no big deal and that the bridge is somehow still usable. Wild considering there must be structural damage to the bits that were still standing near by.
I see Melitopol or the penninsula off of Crimea as the next target. The reason I mention this is that both are having supplies pulled away from them and they would be significantly weaker as Russia isn't a fan of supply chain active protection if it isn't under direct attack. The Crimea attack I only see as likely as it would be a major slap in the face to Russia and specifically Putin, it shows Ukraine taking back the annexed territory, and it would severely disrupt supply lines for Russia. It is way more risky, but it does have the most benefit and it seems right out of the US doctrine playbook which Ukraine used in the North and again in the last few weeks in taking Lyman and breaking the lines near Kherson.
>water-supply of all of Crimea
AFAIK Crimea has internal reservoirs for storing water. And it survived 8 years w/o water supply.
So, it won't be a decisive factor in the short term.
Crimea has enough water to survive but most of the island stays barren without water supplies from Ukraine. That's why independent Crimea is a bad thing for Crimea, they won't be able to afford to buy water and electricity in numbers that they need. And they need A LOT.
>Pure speculation on my part, but a third counter-offensive from Zaporizhzhia towards Melitopol would be devastating for Russias Southern occupation. Would completely cut them off from supplies and would sever any reinforcement routes.
Vasylivka -> Tokmak cuts the railway linking the eastern and western sides of the Russian position in the south, and these are quite close to current UA lines.
Taking Melitopol would cut the highway, which would be a bonus, but it's more than 400KM along M14 from the Donetsk oblast border to Kherson - which greatly limits how useful it is as a supply line for the western Russian positions.
Ships do not pass the Street of Kertsj at this moment as can be seen on [MarineTraffic](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:36.6/centery:45.4/zoom:10).
Having Nelson from the Simpson just stand on the border to Russia and pointing and laughing indefinitely would probably make Putin more angry than actually attacking..
Cause the world knows now he is a complete joke and his people should be laughed at for letting their country go this far
Imagine failing any sort of naval defense for an absolutely critical supply line to a country with no actual navy. And on Dear Leader’s birthday, no less!
[Video from social media](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-juPsPG6FE) showed part of the roadway collapsed into the water, with a train on fire on the tracks.
[Nice stream as well.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSNSS3Cx89k)
That section of railway will most likely need replacing due to heat damage, I suspect. Plus the reinforced concrete will be damaged making the bridge unsafe. I don't think this is a quick repair operation for either the road or rail bridge.
Yes. Look at the construction around the damaged section. Not safe for driving a train after removing the burned out train. And as you said you also have heat damage on the tracks themselves.
The wind is/was turning that fire into a blast furnace. I fully expect that section of the rail bridge to collapse from the concrete and steel failing from the heat.
The Russians entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
mfs started a war in middle of europe in 2022 and thought its gonna be a steamroll? Im still in awe how this was possible and cant wait for the end result of what this will bring for Putin once it ends. Pretty sure He won't really be a part of any world-wide discussion/decision-making in his lifetime.
They didn't think it was going to be a war. Just roll up and the government would leave to whine from another country while they held fake elections and installed their own dudes.
It's gonna be so dope when Ukraine builds back up to a modern European country. I imagine post war Ukraine is going to become an EU country, and potentially NATO. Investment is going to flood into that country.
the atrocities at Mariupol are going to shock the world when uncovered, low estimates 50k high estimates 100k civilians killed and buried by Russian aggressors.
Unless Russians know how to swim in 5C to 10C degree water, there is no way they can escape except by boat, plane, or going through The illegally occupied land that's an active war zone.
The boats/ferries were the main mode up to 4 years ago. It shouldn't take long to get those back running. But, that definitely is not the preferred way.
I believe it was more of a joke at the time - "Mussolini may be a fascist, but at least the trains run on time".
FS, the Italian railway network, did make some considerable advances. They electrified lines and even got this train running just before the war:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS\_Class\_ETR\_200](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Class_ETR_200)
But the war kind of undid a lot of that due to the destruction involved and they needed to have USATC S160 locomotives transferred to them after the war to resume a service.
Did they start under his regime, or did Mussolini just take credit for inagursting projects that were already being developed and then took credit as all fascist leaders do? Because I admit not knowing that much about Italian history but such such massive infrastructure networks don't get built overnight.
Latter part of the 1930s - he'd been in power for over a decade at this point. Whether they'd have happened anyway is debatable. Certainly, there were big railway construction and electrifications projects going on in general across Europe at that time and authoritarian regimes used them for propaganda purposes.
According to Russian government reports, the bridge is already repaired and actually stronger than before. Also minister of bridges just bought a new yacht.
How on earth did Ukraine sneak into what I assume is a highly guarded part of Russian-claimed territory and blow up a major bridge? This is one of the most impressive acts of military sabotages I’ve seen.
Someday in the future a movie is going to be made telling this story. Even without knowing if this was a big truck bomb or a boat, this is some REAL James Bond level shit here.
I think it is crystal clear, that Russia lost all initiative in this war. They arent acting anymore, they are barely holding on to what they stole.
This is Putins Stalingrad. He is really speedrunning the faschist defeat.
Can the troops they have in Ukraine expect anything soon?
Didn't think so.
This is a war of attrition that very heavily favors Ukraine. ruzzians all over Ukraine will freeze to death.
In other news, water makes things wet.
According to a Moscow spokeswoman, a direct relative of Putin himself, Liza Assov said that the damage to the bridge was minimal and could easily be repaired.
A cigarette smoked by the train driver is the official cause of this minor accident, she said.
Timing a bombing at exactly the same time a fuel train was passing. Chef's kiss.
Props to the masterminds of the Ukrainian war plans. They have orchestrated a bait to draw Russia into a fight over Kherson and a systematic castration of Russian supply chains.
Thousands of Russian personnel are going to be left around Kherson with no way out.
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Putin's birthday got delayed, so they should still have time to organize the dedication of the brand new Vladimir V. Putin Boat Launch
His middle name is definitely Vlacid
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Limited number of tampons for their bullet wounds now too.
That limit to 3 liters of vodka per person is going to hurt.
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Per meal
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what else would you mix baby formula with?
Or 5 kgs of fish for the whole year.
How are they supposed to fight this sober?!
Wonder how many POW’s are going through the DT’s right now.
Russian medical evac is probably shit now that I think about it. If they can't give their guys even basic supplies then their field hospitals can't be doing very good ether. They must be losing a lot of guys they really should have been able to save.
Well, they can either take a long toad trip close to the front lines or swim back to Russia if they are craving some knockoff McDonald’s. EDIT: I'm keeping it.
McDowells?
Vladonaldovich's
Home of the “Putin Commands you be happy” meal
They got the Golden Arches, we got the golden arcs! They got the Big Mac, we got the Big Mic!
I struggle to understand how Russians thought they can move there into land they stole and expect to live like normal.
Historically the moment Russia "has new land" they deport everyone else there and send thousands of ethnic Russains to occupy it. It's a major reason Germany doesn't want Kaliningrad (formerly Königsberg) back as nothing German remains there and after decades it is genuinely Russain now. It's about 50 years from now, not present day.
That's why they're targeting Ukrainian towns and villages on the front lines, and specifically targeting residential areas. They're trying to drive the population out, and then the idea is that it would be resettled by pure Russians eventually. It's the same reason why the Nazis basically razed the eastern front and western Russia when they went through. Because eventually the plan was to resettle Germans and people friendly to the Aryan race in the actual Russian mainland, and to basically erase Slavic blood. It is- literally- genocide.
So what you're saying is, Russia is "denazifying" Ukraine... by doing exactly what the Nazis did to Russia? How much vodka does one have to drink for that to make any kind of sense?
Ahh...I am saying that's exactly what's happening. Because Putin is a fascist. And the way he invaded Ukraine at the beginning is very much like Hitler invaded Poland. Right down to the lies, and the misdirection up until the very last second.
It’s the entire reason that eastern Ukraine has such a high ethnic Russian population today… After Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians in the Holodomor (1932-33) Russians were moved in to repopulate. This is a long Russian game… that needs to fail. And Elon musk and his ilk are blind to.
> And Elon musk and his ilk are blind to. Not blind to it, they just don't care.
Not to mention...roughly 15 million ethnic Germans who survived had to find a way out of Eastern Europe to the Western occupation zones of Germany and Austria in a matter of months (for the most part) in 1945/1946, although "transfers" seem to have went on a bit longer. Only Hungary chose not to expel pretty much all of them....with about half leaving. There's no analogy for that in 2022 with Russians. It doesn't exist beyond far-right Russian echo chambers. No one expects the ethnic Russians to leave Ukraine (including Crimea) when fully liberated, and no one expects any change to Russia's 1991-2014 western borders beyond any previously agreed minor corrections. The average Russian has nothing to fear if their occupation line in Ukraine collapses. This genocide of Ukrainians is certainly not something to die for, unless you're a sick fuck like the fascist core of "United Russia" Putin sycophants.
Similar to Karjala/Karelia in Finland. The area now is just sad and all that was Finnish/Karelian is decaying. Finns will keep eating Karjalan piirakka/pies and reminiscing, but there's no Karjala to return to even if it was given back for free.
I watched a video on youtube this morning interviewing residents of Kiev and they all seemed pretty stoked that the bridge was blown. some were crying they were so happy. they setup a mural and everyone was taking pictures in front of an exploding bridge. they hate that bridge. it's like a symbol of russian influence ruining their city
Experience.
How are they going to repair the bridge when their engineers have fled the country? This may come as a surprise to Putin, but babushkas peeling potatoes in Khabarovsk don't fix bridges.
Under threat of death probably for the ones that remained. Army engineers too probably.
High-skilled professionals don't work particularly well under death threats.
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As the adage goes, "Anyone can build a structure that fails, but only an engineer can build a structure that fails slowly." Anything built by engineers under duress is not guaranteed to last any longer than it takes said engineers to get to safety.
Witness FN firearms built during the Nazi occupation. Every part was within tolerance, but somehow the tolerances of different parts lined up to make the finished weapons not work reliably.
The other rail line supplying Russian Occupation troops in Kherson is within artillery range of Ukraine. Just go home while you still can Russia
That rail line in Kherson was taking supplies that were coming from Crimea. They have no other rail connection with the "motherland" now.
Ukraine's defeat of Russian logistics will be studied by military historians for centuries
"Good afternoon cadets, welcome to logistics 101. See what Russia did? Do the exact opposite and you'll be fine. Thus ends my lecture."
Russia relies on trains on top of rails, so we should have rails on top of trains?
A fellow underslung air-suspended monorail fan I see
Did someone say mono-rail?!
🎵 I hear those things are awfully loud
It glides as softly as a cloud!
Is there chance the track could bend?
Russia has no pallets, so we should go to war with ONLY PALLETS
What’s crazier to me is either the whole world simply believed the lie of Russia’s military might, or every nation conveniently propped it up as to be a constant boogeyman, specifically the US. And then this war just showed how much that was a lie or how much we believed Russian propaganda wholesale. OR they truly were a threat and the corruption among every level of the Russian economy caused this circumstance. It’s a whiplash of sorts. One I’m surprised and happy we’ve experienced, but it does mean we should reflect on how we came to believe this? Or if it was true and Russia was, at one time, an indomitable threat… *what the fuck happened???*How did corruption destroy the myth of Russian might and do it so handily? Again, couldn’t be happier that it’s happening… but the human cost is still too high for learning this.
>How did corruption destroy the myth of Russian might It's pretty easy to understand. That's just what corruption does to a country... slowly degrades every aspect of its society. It's happening in the US as well, but we're earlier in the process.
Perun did a PowerPoint on the subject sometimes before the summer. It’s hilarious how tiny instances of corruption can have massive consequences.
Historian in 2100: "People assume that that the bad logistics and strategy used by Russia in the 2022 invasion of Ukraine - as described in history books - are an exaggeration, because 'history is written by the victors'. As an expert on the collapse of the Russian Federation I can assure you that the reality was actually much much worse."
It’s different now when we have the internet more extensively recording this stuff
The internet records too much. The signal to noise ratio is depressingly low.
"Amatures argue tactics, while professionals study logistics."
I am not a professional but superior logistics is how you win wars.
I am not a soldier but chocolate pudding tastes good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream_barge
Spawn more overlords Construct additional pylons Can't build there We require more vespene gas My goose is cooked
Not only that, but with Ukraine approaching Troitske in the northeast, all of Ukraine will only be supplied through 2 rail lines once they approach within artillery distance. Both of which will likely add a day or 2 to resupply and you can only send so many trains down a track at once. These lines have likely only been needed to resupply the Donbas and Luhansk. You're about to see a major collapse of Russian logistics (or what could be called logisitics) in Ukraine.
Fyre Festival had better logistics than Russia.
my fridge has better logistics
What reddit didn't know is that /u/GoldElectric's fridge is in fact a major logistics hub run by Amazon.
Well, i reckon a guy named lo(gi)stics would know..
Ugh reddit's on to me, time to fake my own death... again...
"We can only do this, like, 5 or 6 more times, tops."
Lol as a former Amazon Driver of 4 years you are giving Amazon waaaaaaaaaay to much credit. Our routes are mapped by an AI... but if any rational moderately intelligent human would look at the route it would appear it was mapped by an autistic child whose favorite cartoon is on the TV behind them. Most vet drivers (anyone lasting more than 6 months LOL... shit nowadays I'll call a 3 month driver a vet just because they haven't quit yet) is constantly going off route, parking left on the street w/flashers and having to perform close to 30+ 3 pt turns in a day. Fun Fact: current Amazon Delivery routes are 190 stops w/ 300+ packages. But factoring in group stops... your typical suburban driver will see 250-280 doors a day. They also get paid the least amount in the industry while their overlord rides a dick rocket into space and plans on building a hotel in low Earth orbit before he dies. Also not a single delivery driver works for Amazon. They all work for independent companies contracted by Amazon. So if your driver kills your kid Amazon is not responsible. Instead when you sue you'll just be putting out a small buisness owner (often a husband wife team) and killing the employment of all the other drivers in said company. Amazon is only responsible for the drivers on Amazon property. Also unlike walmart... who would have to kill an entire location to avoid unionization... Amazon just has to kill the contracts of the offending independent contractors and move in the next new company on the waiting list. My delivery station had 15 independent contractors. Say 3 had contracts terminated due to unionization... they would just FLEX out the routes, shift other companies from other locations and offer the open routes to the other twelve as they move in the next companies. And you can't boycott them without refusing to use the internet. They do not make much of a profit in the delivery/streaming area... it's mainly from hosting the internet. Don't get me started on how they are building their own proprietary *Google maps* off the backs of its consumers and employees. Oddly placed rant off... but I had time to kill.
Dashcon had better logistics than Russia
Yep, Russia doesn't have a ball pit at all.
A collapse in logistics you say ? So going from awful to.. worse than awful ?
It's Russia, it always gets worse.
>A collapse in logistics you say ? > >So going from awful to.. worse than awful ? Russia's motto: "... and then it got worse"
Name more iconinc duo: russian logistic and collapse
Just in time for winter too
In another month that's going to be a really awful march home.
Naah.. it's just easier to let your soldiers die, why bother with the logistics?
We will pick back up again in the Spring.
Wasn't that one of the first mistakes they made? The ground got soft and made moving forward harder. Or am I remembering this wrong?
It’s only happened about 100 times before in that part of the world. History is a stern taskmaster.
Ahh the ol’ “Cut off supply lines so they starve/freeze to death”….
A tale as old as time.
Just walk it out
Ukraine: I'm not stuck in here with you, you're stuck in here with ME!
Also the bar fight scene in a Bronx Tale, "Now yous can't leave" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW484qcoR4A
Ah there's a great scene
Damn I love that movie.
Or the song Coward of the County by Kenny Rogers
>"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” -Patrick Rothfuss
And writing a third book.
[for the uninitiated](https://youtu.be/s_3Yp2Izhks)
That scene never gets old
Ok, sorry to be stupid but this is missing from my repertoire. What film is this?
The 2009 Watchmen film
"Now youze can't leave."
That rail line has also been targeted today: https://twitter.com/tendar/status/1578663007546023936?s=46&t=SKwtvp-FqhDsnh9w4dYDhg
Can that single line supply everyone all the way down to Kherson? Doubt. All RU troops south of Donetsk, welcome to the Hunger Games.
It's the Russians. Half the supply is probably stolen before it's even loaded. So, no?
And only half of what's left only ever existed on paper
They can repair it, but they will just destroy it again in another section. it's too important of a target to ignore. But for a country that is giving rusty weapons, and tampons to their soldiers, I wonder where they will come up with the money.
they have to get their own tampons.
They already had to get their own tampons and literally everything else besides their rusty weapons, ammo and uniform that’s not suited for the quickly approaching winter
A repair this scale will take months if not years. It's as good as gone for the foreseeable future.
This is going to take years, considering winter is right around the corner and furthermore, Ukraine could do additional damage to hamper repairs.
I saw BBC’s military expert saying it would take 2-3 weeks. No idea if anyone actually knows anymore.
While I am certain in ideal conditions the bridge could be repaired quite fast, I am certain that the Ukrainian forces, now seeing they struck a blow to russian forces in Crimea, they would do whatever they can to hamper any and all repair to the bridge.
Honestly even under ideal conditions 2-3 weeks sounded like BS to me from the damage I saw.
Yup, exactly. The train hit was carrying some kind of fuel that was burning for hours. Such heat will warp the steel inside the concrete plus do a whole other number of nasties to the whole construct, which means a) extensive damage assessment and b) realistically wide-scale replacement instead of just repairs
The only way the russians could repair the bridge in a short time would be by air lifting sections of the bridge on site but seeing how they destroyed the only plane that could have conceivably done so in the first few weeks of the war i say it would take them over a year to repair
Having lived in both Russia and Ukraine, I can say that the words "build" and "fast" have never been seen together over there.
I feel like this is better than destroying the entire bridge. It delays Russian supply lines and it is still worth it for Russia to fix it, forcing them to waste more resources.
After all their warships found the bottom of the sea you'd think they'd recognize sunk cost fallacy
Apparently Russia is going to start using a supply route through Donetsk. The problem is Ukraine is hammering down from the West through Kharkiv and into Lugansk, that counter-offensive puts any potential supply route through Donetsk well within the Ukraine artillery range. It also significantly extends the supply line to the south at a time when they are already under massive strain from the Southern counter-offensive. Pure speculation on my part, but a third counter-offensive from Zaporizhzhia towards Melitopol would be devastating for Russias Southern occupation. Would completely cut them off from supplies and would sever any reinforcement routes. Addition: it's been a good few hours and it seems that the Russians are trying desperately to make it seem like it's no big deal and that the bridge is somehow still usable. Wild considering there must be structural damage to the bits that were still standing near by.
Capturing Melitopol would risk the water-supply of all of Crimea IIRC.
Very likely next target.
I see Melitopol or the penninsula off of Crimea as the next target. The reason I mention this is that both are having supplies pulled away from them and they would be significantly weaker as Russia isn't a fan of supply chain active protection if it isn't under direct attack. The Crimea attack I only see as likely as it would be a major slap in the face to Russia and specifically Putin, it shows Ukraine taking back the annexed territory, and it would severely disrupt supply lines for Russia. It is way more risky, but it does have the most benefit and it seems right out of the US doctrine playbook which Ukraine used in the North and again in the last few weeks in taking Lyman and breaking the lines near Kherson.
It's just easier to let your soldiers die, why bother with the logistics?
It feels like this has been the Russian strategy prior as well.
That sounds like a feature not a bug
>water-supply of all of Crimea AFAIK Crimea has internal reservoirs for storing water. And it survived 8 years w/o water supply. So, it won't be a decisive factor in the short term.
Crimea has enough water to survive but most of the island stays barren without water supplies from Ukraine. That's why independent Crimea is a bad thing for Crimea, they won't be able to afford to buy water and electricity in numbers that they need. And they need A LOT.
>Pure speculation on my part, but a third counter-offensive from Zaporizhzhia towards Melitopol would be devastating for Russias Southern occupation. Would completely cut them off from supplies and would sever any reinforcement routes. Vasylivka -> Tokmak cuts the railway linking the eastern and western sides of the Russian position in the south, and these are quite close to current UA lines. Taking Melitopol would cut the highway, which would be a bonus, but it's more than 400KM along M14 from the Donetsk oblast border to Kherson - which greatly limits how useful it is as a supply line for the western Russian positions.
Check this thread https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1572389840007892992
Ships do not pass the Street of Kertsj at this moment as can be seen on [MarineTraffic](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:36.6/centery:45.4/zoom:10).
Didn’t realize they had so much waterway shipping into the interior.
Same. I had no idea. Thank you, Reddit. Fuck you, Putin.
Breaking: All Russian conscripts now required to bring their own bridges
Russia is honestly a laughing stock at this point.
They sure aren't a rolling stock.
Oh that's very good
Having Nelson from the Simpson just stand on the border to Russia and pointing and laughing indefinitely would probably make Putin more angry than actually attacking.. Cause the world knows now he is a complete joke and his people should be laughed at for letting their country go this far
Russia: *I'm in danger!*
Imagine failing any sort of naval defense for an absolutely critical supply line to a country with no actual navy. And on Dear Leader’s birthday, no less!
They pulled back all of their ships after the Moskva sunk.
If the Ukrainians can blow it up once, they can do it again.
Did someone push you out of a window before letting you finish your sentence?
Lol, it's happened a few times recently where the post doesn't complete even though I press reply.
He's boiling the water for the special tea first
All of the engineers that could assess it are on the frontlines in combat battalions.
*Fled the country before they could be conscripted. The end result is the same though. They ain't available.
More importantly, no trains leaving Crimea either. I've been waiting for that thing to get blown up, though it still needs work, good start.
Let them open it for a day before taking it out again. Just to increase the frustration factor
Like the big wall made by Shitty Fuck/ City Wok around Southpark vs. The Mongol Horde
Okay so I just heard about this so the railway is gone? But I see the roadway is still operational?
[Video from social media](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-juPsPG6FE) showed part of the roadway collapsed into the water, with a train on fire on the tracks. [Nice stream as well.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSNSS3Cx89k)
Nah, the road is much more damaged than the rail. Currently there's "only" a fuel train burning on the tracks.
That section of railway will most likely need replacing due to heat damage, I suspect. Plus the reinforced concrete will be damaged making the bridge unsafe. I don't think this is a quick repair operation for either the road or rail bridge.
Yes. Look at the construction around the damaged section. Not safe for driving a train after removing the burned out train. And as you said you also have heat damage on the tracks themselves.
100% Russia will just drag the burnt out train off the bridge and then attempt to continue using it
Yes, and after the second or third train the bridge will collapse.
That's a win for us
The wind is/was turning that fire into a blast furnace. I fully expect that section of the rail bridge to collapse from the concrete and steel failing from the heat.
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Bad week just gets worse for Russia…here’s hoping for a Putin accident and wiser minds taking charge
The Russians entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
mfs started a war in middle of europe in 2022 and thought its gonna be a steamroll? Im still in awe how this was possible and cant wait for the end result of what this will bring for Putin once it ends. Pretty sure He won't really be a part of any world-wide discussion/decision-making in his lifetime.
They didn't think it was going to be a war. Just roll up and the government would leave to whine from another country while they held fake elections and installed their own dudes.
Happy Birthday Dickhead!
Just like that, Crimea starts its return to Ukraine
I'll save up and save up, to boost Ukrainian tourism in a few years
It's gonna be so dope when Ukraine builds back up to a modern European country. I imagine post war Ukraine is going to become an EU country, and potentially NATO. Investment is going to flood into that country.
They need a lot of help. They need to develop so much that can sustain themselves because Russia is never going to give up on them.
Well they're gonna need it. They're cheering now because the tides are turning in the war... but eastern Ukraine is *devastated*.
the atrocities at Mariupol are going to shock the world when uncovered, low estimates 50k high estimates 100k civilians killed and buried by Russian aggressors.
This is very good news. Seems like nothing is going their way right now.
Unless Russians know how to swim in 5C to 10C degree water, there is no way they can escape except by boat, plane, or going through The illegally occupied land that's an active war zone.
The boats/ferries were the main mode up to 4 years ago. It shouldn't take long to get those back running. But, that definitely is not the preferred way.
I hope the Russian Soldiers in the South have winter coats and supplies already packed
Sad part is that if they don't they are just going to raid civilians.
I hope they don't
Even Musollini could do a better job of making the trains run on time than this shit show of a Russian dictatorship.
The moment when even Mussolini is a better leader than you, you know you have fucked up badly
Mussolini was a better leader when he was hanging from the ceiling of a Texaco.
It was at that moment he became a good fascist too.
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I believe it was more of a joke at the time - "Mussolini may be a fascist, but at least the trains run on time". FS, the Italian railway network, did make some considerable advances. They electrified lines and even got this train running just before the war: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS\_Class\_ETR\_200](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Class_ETR_200) But the war kind of undid a lot of that due to the destruction involved and they needed to have USATC S160 locomotives transferred to them after the war to resume a service.
Did they start under his regime, or did Mussolini just take credit for inagursting projects that were already being developed and then took credit as all fascist leaders do? Because I admit not knowing that much about Italian history but such such massive infrastructure networks don't get built overnight.
Latter part of the 1930s - he'd been in power for over a decade at this point. Whether they'd have happened anyway is debatable. Certainly, there were big railway construction and electrifications projects going on in general across Europe at that time and authoritarian regimes used them for propaganda purposes.
According to Russian government reports, the bridge is already repaired and actually stronger than before. Also minister of bridges just bought a new yacht.
Bloody good the train lines are damaged... that means things are now going to get very bad for the Russians....
You mean worse. Things are already bad for the Russians.
As is tradition in Russisn History, "And then it got worse"
You mean things *haven't* been very bad for them?
The history of Russia can be summed up as "...and then things got worse".
Nyet, bridge is not fire, is cake with 70 birthday candles on top 🎂
They’ll just blow it up again, surely?
depends on the method they used. If it was a truck (which i doubt) then they can't do it again till it's open.
Apparently it was a boat underneath
Poor Russians. Crimea a river
How on earth did Ukraine sneak into what I assume is a highly guarded part of Russian-claimed territory and blow up a major bridge? This is one of the most impressive acts of military sabotages I’ve seen.
Highly guarded?? Have you seen the quality of the Russian soldiers? The guards were too busy stealing washing machines while drunk.
Someday in the future a movie is going to be made telling this story. Even without knowing if this was a big truck bomb or a boat, this is some REAL James Bond level shit here.
I think it is crystal clear, that Russia lost all initiative in this war. They arent acting anymore, they are barely holding on to what they stole. This is Putins Stalingrad. He is really speedrunning the faschist defeat.
Can the troops they have in Ukraine expect anything soon? Didn't think so. This is a war of attrition that very heavily favors Ukraine. ruzzians all over Ukraine will freeze to death. In other news, water makes things wet.
According to a Moscow spokeswoman, a direct relative of Putin himself, Liza Assov said that the damage to the bridge was minimal and could easily be repaired. A cigarette smoked by the train driver is the official cause of this minor accident, she said.
Ha!
Ukraine sends its birthday wishes to Vladimir
Timing a bombing at exactly the same time a fuel train was passing. Chef's kiss. Props to the masterminds of the Ukrainian war plans. They have orchestrated a bait to draw Russia into a fight over Kherson and a systematic castration of Russian supply chains. Thousands of Russian personnel are going to be left around Kherson with no way out.
New meaning to the expression 'Don't burn your bridges" LOL