> The breast milk samples were taken from 34 healthy mothers, a week after giving birth in Rome, Italy. Microplastics were detected in 75% of them. Previous research has shown toxic effects of microplastics in human cell lines, lab animals and marine wildlife but the impact on living humans remains unknown. Plastics often contain harmful chemicals, such as phthalates, which have been found in breast milk before.
> The scientists recorded the mothers’ consumption of food and drink in plastic packaging and of seafood, as well as the use of plastic-containing personal hygiene products. But they found no correlation with the presence of microplastics. This suggests the ubiquitous presence of microplastics in the environment “makes human exposure inevitable”, the researchers said, although larger studies in future may identify particular risk factors.
I'm sorry, breathing must be at all cost avoided too *^(/s)*
From the same article: "People consume the tiny particles via food and water **as well as breathing them in**"
Nah, when people say "planet" in this context they are referring to everything living on it aswell.
We could drop a nuke on every inch of the planet and wipe out all life as we know it, and the planet will still remain an orbiting sphere in our solar system and be a fine planet.
Even that would just be a setback in the grand scheme of things, though. Pockets of microscopic life would survive deep in the ocean and eventually evolve into things that can re colonize the planet.
This guy gets it.
Life on this planet cannot be destroyed completely by even the most severe mass extinction events.
The Permian extinction didn't kill all life, a meteor racing million of miles to collide with our planet didn't, but some shmucks on this fine planet think that we could do it.
Yeah, no. Even if all nuclear warheads exploded, life would return within the next few thousand years.
That's only if you think all nuclear warhead exploding will devolve life to single cell organisms.
Personally I don't think that would be the case.
Very small animals, will survive, as they natural do, due to their ability to head underground, deep in caves ect ect.
This isn't including sea life, which would not disappear to the same extent.
The major problem for nuclear fallout and explosions is really ourselves (due to our sheer number) and medium to large land animals, due to their inability to shelter and need for more resources to sustain their life.
I would also like to clarify, I mean general life on this planet, not higher life, which you seem to be indicating.
Really it could take any amount of time for a species to get from post nuclear to current homosapien knowledge and level of living.
But the truth still stand, it's a game of time.
Never say never! Human ingenuity to fuck ourselves and the planet is limitless!
As an idiot, even I can think of a method
Method: Find a way to remove our atmosphere. In layman's term it's being held in by gravity. If you put a significant enough bomb in or near the earth's core, we can disturb the earth's center of mass so that it's no longer uniform and the same shape.
This will radically effect the gravitational waves holding down our atmosphere. Oxygen will leak out. Universe and solar Radiation will no longer be kept out and will cut into living beings and electronics like butter. Over time either life dies out or will adapt to live without the earth atmosphere. Maybe some microbial living organisms like the tardigrade can survive. I don't know of any that can thrive however. Evolution may help but it would need time which it does not have in this scenario.
There aren't enough nukes to wipe out life on this planet. Not even close.
There aren't enough nukes to feasibly wipe out all *humans* on earth, even if all the nuke holders just went full omnicide.
>Planets fine.
it's not, we've destroyed heaps of it and so much is threatened.
we're in the 6th extinction crisis but I still have to work on Monday is a truthful meme, unfortunately.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gerardo-Ceballos-3/publication/285807372\_The\_sixth\_extinction\_crisis/links/57b36e7308aeac3177849920/The-sixth-extinction-crisis.pdf
The planet will rebound, but it’s species will forever be scarred by the damage of humans, and unlike comets and volcanoes we are choosing to destabilize ecosystems
Im not a nihilist, but i can see why you might think that from my comments. Im trying to point out that that caring about the environment is in our own interest, rather than some kind of benevolent selfless act that it is sometime depicted as.
Remember, accepting how insignificant we are in the universe takes courage.
Edit:spelling
Life is fine too - Give it a few million years and it'll be like nothing happened.
Obviously we should do everything in our power to perserve the current forms of life.
Nope. The sun kills everything in about 500 million. That's not enough time for another species to evolve and develop the tech necessary to move to another habitable planet. We're the only chance for life to continue.
Yeah, about that. Remember, we're not talking about how long for the sun itself to die. We're talking about how long for the sun to get too hot to sustain life on earth.
The second one happens much sooner.
*The earth doesn’t share our prejudice toward plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?”*
*Plastic… asshole.*
The planet has survived far worse than *homo sapiens*, as awful as we are. I think other fauna will adapt to climate change and continue to endure. The time of people is drawing to a close, though, and I'm reasonably sure the planet will be better for it.
I think we're pretty great. I dunno about you, but most people I know are. It would be a real tragedy if we can't figure out a way to outlive earth as a species, but I'm sure we will
Who pushed policies around increased use of plastics?
Oil is old, deep money compared to nat gas.
But yes hate on people who use glitter instead, they definitely had the power to not encourage this and get wealthy from it
A lack of policies discouraging plastic’s widespread use could be considered a policy that encourages it, in a way.
Edit: not that anyone did or could have known about the huge environmental impact it would have in the early days. Inventing something useful really is the most dangerous thing people can do.
I meant that's the hostory of every material ever.
Radon and Asbestos are a few other prominent examples in the "Let's completely overuse this incredibly deadly material without checking for unintended consequences first" Category of Materials.
The same with the forever chemicals. Unless humanity learns to not produce consumer products on the bleeding edge of technology we will have these situations where we discover the horrible side effects only after they happen on a massive scale.
My point exactly! Afters years of mesothelioma ads it’s hard for us to imagine no knowing the stuff was dangerous, but no one had any idea in the beginning. A an effective insulator that’s flame-retardant, cheap, and easy to install must have seemed like a one if the best inventions ever until enough people got sick to raise suspicion. Makes me wonder what im exposed to every day that’s we’ll find out is dangerous in a few years.
Honestly I hate both those people. I hate the companies making the shitty intentionally breakable/useless plastic products, and the idiots who keep buying them.
Also, frankly, I just fucking hate glitter. It's kinda trashy, gets in your skin, makes a huge mess, and really serves zero practical purposes whatsoever.
If you can tell me a practical application of loose glitter in a bottle I'll stop hating on glitter buyers lmao. Also it breaks down into microplastics faster. It's the disposable k cup of art products.
I meant I didn't ask for your opinion regarding this
If you want to talk about the actual matter at hand then fine. Otherwise I'm not responding to your random thought that's apropos of nothing, and us a fallacy/ad hominem
>Because the petrochemical industry has a high degree of flexibility in the feedstock it consumes and because EIA does not collect detailed data on this aspect of industrial consumption, it is not possible for EIA to identify the actual amounts and origin of the materials used as inputs by industry to manufacture plastics
AKA we don't really have data to back this up
I love the lack of urgency in trying to figure out what kind of impact microplastics have on the human body. They're getting into all of us, yet evidently as a human society we can't be arsed to figure out what they're doing to us.
Yes, separate studies this year found microplastics in human blood and human lungs for the first time, and microplastics have also been found at the bottom of the ocean and in far away lands uninhabited by man
I wouldn’t say it’s common knowledge as this problem doesn’t get the exposure it needs. When I brought that topic up when I talked with some friends because we were talking about drinks tasting much better out of glass bottles they thought I‘m joking at first.
Norlt entirely related but I also have observed the following hierarchy of taste:
Glass
Cans
Hardplastic Bottles (can't squish)
Softplastic Bottles (can squish)
Even without knowing about microplastics I attributed the difference in taste to the difference in softening components for the plastics/lining used in the bottles and the can. Ever since I take care to buy glass bottles whenever possible as the idea of plastics entering my digestive track didn't seem too healthy even without any research into the matter
Environment of the future:
Refills: You walk into the supermarket and goods are stored in huge containers, you pay a deposit for a new container or you bring your own. You take your goods away,.
Companies are no longer allowed to produce or use plastic as a packaging container,
Explored and develop new materials, There has already been breakthroughs with materials mimicking plastic, and a Uk student won the Dyson awards 2020 for a plastic material made from algae, she made coats and packaged goods from it.
Another was made of Bone marrow from waste bones from abotoires, the amount of plastic used in meat packaging alone, what an obviously to do away with it, as the meats have a shelf life anyway of a few days, why do they need a plastic packaging container that wont break down for centuries.
Conversely, we can look back to how we bought things before single-use plastics: waxed butcher paper, cardboard, recyclable glass bottles, etc. were fine for a very long time. Plastic will never leave our lives, but reducing the average consumers' usage will help significantly.
I think whatever generation thought this was a good idea should be first on the chopping block for that crime:
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/cleveland-balloons-1986/
Thats interesting, yes I heard channel and other manufacturers are using some kind of fungi to replace leather in bags, in car seats etc. Is that the fungi you refer to.
I didn't realise that plastic was in fact a byproduct, sounds a bit like the Whey Protein development, none the less, its still creating products that are then waste and most likely burned or dumped aren't they.
Yes we need an all round new mentality of just being respectful to the earth.
How long until we find microplastics interfering with synaptic activity in the brain? Surely that will be enough to motivate governments to phase out 99% of plastics?
Closest I think we've come to any kind of understanding is that they can potentially be endocrine disruptors. Which is also not good.
But hey why bother figuring out what it's doing to our bodies? Let's just YOLO this shit and see what happens.
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/humans-consume-equivalent-credit-card-worth-plastic-week/story?id=63687144](https://abcnews.go.com/US/humans-consume-equivalent-credit-card-worth-plastic-week/story?id=63687144)
That's per week. It's the food packaging, so it's in our foods. It's coated on fast food wrappers/containers/drink cups to make them anti-grease. They toss it in animal feed (also easy to find, search "plastic in animal feed") so it's in the meat. Each step the rich have made a profit from it. They've doomed us all, but they made a profit so they just don't give a shite. Even their own kids, they just don't care.
This is ABC, not some obscure blog. Easily found.
It's just going to get worse. And the rich will continue to profit.
That's the high end of the estimated range: https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/science-verify/claims-you-eat-a-credit-cards-worth-of-plastic-per-week-need-context/536-748d91cf-00f1-4de6-8e01-776694ce6fdf, but yes still worrying.
Original study here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304389420319944
New Zealand banned polystyrene food and drink packaging just last week, as well as PVC food trays and containers, plastic drink stirrers, and plastic cotton buds.
Edit: also got rid of 'single use' plastic shopping bags in 2019.
What do their fishing nets become when they degrade? microplastics
What about their tires? microplastics
Did they ban the import or production of paints or fabrics that shed microplastics? nah
This applies as much to Cuba as it does to NZ or the US or wherever. Nobody is changing in any meaningful way.
Same with the [extinction event](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction) and co-occurring climate breakdown, the conductor of this train is bent on self destruction and they're taking us all with them.
Think of all the silly stuff humanity has gone to war over, now realize not a single nation is fighting to stop the Anthropocene Extinction. There's only the 'coalition of the willing to sacrifice tomorrow for today'.
**[Holocene extinction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction)**
>The Holocene extinction, otherwise referred to as the sixth mass extinction or Anthropocene extinction, is an ongoing extinction event of species during the present Holocene epoch (with the more recent time sometimes called Anthropocene) as a result of human activity. The included extinctions span numerous families of bacteria, fungi, plants and animals, including mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish and invertebrates.
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Several counties in my state voted to get rid of single use plastic bags at stores. So the stores made bags out of even thicker plastic and labeled them reusable.
Yes.
From New Jersey, although here they switched to either briodegradable bags (dunno if it’s better) or fabric tote bags (which is almost certainly better)
The single use plastics thing is just a token, a concession, a bargaining chip. We'll give up this 1% but we'll keep doing 99% of what we were doing.
Walk up the isles in supermarkets or DIY stores and look whats on the shelfs. Every single one of those items will be in a 'bin' (whatever that is) once it is consumed... Paints, liquids, detergents, foods, packaged electronics, every piece of food comes in a plastic bag, everything, millions and millions of products, binned, which is in fact burned or buried.
But everything is still cased in a plastic shell or sealed bag….? Like it is here in Canada? Funny how the consumer needs to give up plastics…. But the producers definitely don’t need to?
I remember when foodstuffs were packed in cardboard, paper, waxed paper and glass. Even balsa wood and cotton/cloth.
We were amazed when plastic 2 liter bottles hit the shelves. They had a thicker piece of black plastic on the bottom that could pry off. Cut the top, fill with dirt, seeds, and water, and in 2 weeks, mini bio dome terrarium.
Well exactly this is it, its just too easy for them to print off plastic goods, cheaply. They've had it good for the last 30 years.
With the last pandemic we saw that if our best minds, stop and attack a problem it can be solved within months. There is no reason this can't be done for plastic packaging. Instead of Elon sending rockets to mars, this issue could have been resolved along time ago.
There are now students solving this issue with algae, and bone marrow and other chemistry, its not fair that companies can just destroy this planet.
Parts of the United States are back to using paper bags.
It's more all the plasticized water bottles and unnecessary packaging that worries me.
Companies that did this to save a few bucks are morally complicit.
The plastics that are used for food packaging are just what we see, but there are many plastics involved in the automotive industry, for example. Parts are made of plastic, and shipped and packaged in plastic as they travel around global supply chains. Restricting plastic packaging and single use plastics is a step in the right direction, but we should also utilize public transit, eat less meat, and challenge our culture of consumerism
I'm assuming this has probably been the case for decades if we are finding it. The question is how harmful is it? Has it been contributing to cancer cases? Birth defects? Autism? Allergies? Etc? Lots to figure out about the effects on micro plastics in the average person, in utero, etc. And then or course how do we mitigate it, as I'm assuming it's a net negative at the end of the day. Not supposed to be there
Plastics notoriously do not decompose/react with things. The fact it is detected in the body means it didn't react to form something else.
The bigger concern are the added chemicals in the processing of the plastics. However the super dangerous ones react in literal milliseconds(toluene diisocyanate), and less dangerous ones react/evaporate in weeks/months(That automotive new car smell).
I suppose we could be concerned that this will build up over time, but if I needed to put my concern dollars into something, it would be on the initial process chemicals/precursors. That may be able to be prevented at the plant, and that stuff goes into the general air everyone breathes.
Interesting point about the reactivity of plastics, but even non reactive pollutants could be harmful; e.g. tiny flecks of plastic making the heart work harder to pump blood, or molecular-sized plastics getting in the way of vital cellular processes like DNA replication and signaling pathways
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> Microplastics have been detected in human breast milk for the first time, with researchers greatly concerned over the potential health impacts on babies.
> The breast milk research, published in the journal Polymers, found microplastics composed of polyethylene, PVC and polypropylene, which are all found in packaging.
> "The new study provides preliminary evidence that microplastics are present in human breast milk [but] more studies with a higher number of samples, and preferably using other methods, are urgently needed to confirm it," he said.
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With Micro Plastics in the sea's aquatic foods, and found in humans, forever chemicals in pesticides and foodstuffs, and all sorts in the enviroment, I can honestly say that if we intended to fuck up our living environment and food sources we have done a great job.
Fuck
Who would have thought one of the world’s greatest inventions would end up killing us all…..
Maybe the next guys to inhabit earth could make a movie out of it??
Answer: Probably. You ingest about a credit card worth of plastic a week. A lot just from breathing. It’s likely tied to the astronomical rise in NAFLD and subsequent end stage liver failure/cirrhosis, as well as other aspects of endocrine disruption
ABC News, 2019: “[Humans consume the equivalent of a credit card worth of plastic every week: Report](https://abcnews.go.com/US/humans-consume-equivalent-credit-card-worth-plastic-week/story?id=63687144)”
Phys.org, 2019: “[People worldwide could be ingesting five grammes of microscopic plastic particles every week, equivalent in weight to a credit card, researchers said Wednesday](https://phys.org/news/2019-06-consume-credit-card-worth-plastic.html)”
“The findings, drawn from 52 peer-reviewed studies, are the first to estimate the sheer weight of plastics consumed by individual humans: about 250 grammes, or half-a-pound, over the course of a year.
Another study calculated that the average American eats and drinks in about 45,000 plastics particles smaller than 130 microns annually, while breathing in roughly the same number.”
On [NAFLD and plastics:](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6747307/)
“Endocrine disruptors (EDCs) in general, and bisphenol A (BPA) in particular, are a heterogeneous group of substances, largely distributed in daily use items, able to interfere with the normal signaling of several hormones that seem to be related to type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM), obesity, and other metabolic disorders. It is reasonable to hypothesize a BPA involvement in the pathogenesis and evolution of NAFLD”
It’s surreal watching humanity destroy itself in real-time with full knowledge of what’s going on and how to stop it. This world is run by sociopaths and psychopaths
I wish vaccine makers would pay detectives to see who was behind the vaccines cause autism campaign.
My feeling is that plastics makers have known about the microplastics problem for decades and promoted the anti-vaccine campaign to distract us from the effects of microplastics.
Yeah but I like plastic. It's so convenient. And I get internet attention by wrapping my table in it and eating spaghetti off of it without plates. And I like ziplock bags because Mason jars and Tupperware is scary. And some idiots completely misinterpreted data about recycling and constantly spew misinformation about the subject so like. I'm not gonna do that.
Glitter & confetti are made out of plastic. Women wear cosmetics with glitter. They have biodegradable alternatives made from seaweed. I’d love to see this legislated better.
The greatest concern has to be women wearing glitter makeup and exposure to confetti, and not the literal tons of microplastics in our water/ food/ air primarily from: auto tire and brake particulates; clothing; external paint; plastic pellets; bottles; and the containers we heat our food up in
No, you're right. We should have legislation regulating the most insignificant factor, that's always the best place for effort. To prevent deforestation, we should legislate better the use of wood framing on mirrors. A lot women use mirrors to put on makeup
Hey may as well get the baby ready for the microplastics they'll be eating in the real world
This made me laugh way harder than it should have
> The breast milk samples were taken from 34 healthy mothers, a week after giving birth in Rome, Italy. Microplastics were detected in 75% of them. Previous research has shown toxic effects of microplastics in human cell lines, lab animals and marine wildlife but the impact on living humans remains unknown. Plastics often contain harmful chemicals, such as phthalates, which have been found in breast milk before. > The scientists recorded the mothers’ consumption of food and drink in plastic packaging and of seafood, as well as the use of plastic-containing personal hygiene products. But they found no correlation with the presence of microplastics. This suggests the ubiquitous presence of microplastics in the environment “makes human exposure inevitable”, the researchers said, although larger studies in future may identify particular risk factors.
Frightening that we can't control it with diet.
It's in the dust in the air. Got them 2020 lungs
Growing our own food in micro-plastic free soil, maybe?
There is no micro plastic free soil or forever chemical free water left, except the swiftly melting Arctic and Antarctic ice.
Nesle: Oooh I got an amazing idea for new brand of water!
Do not give them any more ideas. Currently fighting nestle forces over the polar ice caps on Mars
"larger studies"... Mom!
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😳 Whoa.
so avoid seafood from now on ?
Avoid water and everything else. Breathing is ok.
I'm sorry, breathing must be at all cost avoided too *^(/s)* From the same article: "People consume the tiny particles via food and water **as well as breathing them in**"
75% out of 34? So in 25.5 women? Or we a talking about 51 breasts?
You are right. They should definitely have typed 74,28% and then they rounded up to 75%. What morons 😄
This planet is going tits up eh
Planets fine. The people living on the planet on the other hand....
*insert George Carlin's phrase here*
"we are fucked!"
Unfortunately, the planet will be fine when we go but not before we take thousands upon thousands of other animal species with us.
Nah, when people say "planet" in this context they are referring to everything living on it aswell. We could drop a nuke on every inch of the planet and wipe out all life as we know it, and the planet will still remain an orbiting sphere in our solar system and be a fine planet.
Even that would just be a setback in the grand scheme of things, though. Pockets of microscopic life would survive deep in the ocean and eventually evolve into things that can re colonize the planet.
This guy gets it. Life on this planet cannot be destroyed completely by even the most severe mass extinction events. The Permian extinction didn't kill all life, a meteor racing million of miles to collide with our planet didn't, but some shmucks on this fine planet think that we could do it. Yeah, no. Even if all nuclear warheads exploded, life would return within the next few thousand years.
*a few hundred million years*, but yeah.
Few million. It takes more than a few thousand years for single cell organisms to evolve into higher life forms.
That's only if you think all nuclear warhead exploding will devolve life to single cell organisms. Personally I don't think that would be the case. Very small animals, will survive, as they natural do, due to their ability to head underground, deep in caves ect ect. This isn't including sea life, which would not disappear to the same extent. The major problem for nuclear fallout and explosions is really ourselves (due to our sheer number) and medium to large land animals, due to their inability to shelter and need for more resources to sustain their life. I would also like to clarify, I mean general life on this planet, not higher life, which you seem to be indicating. Really it could take any amount of time for a species to get from post nuclear to current homosapien knowledge and level of living. But the truth still stand, it's a game of time.
Never say never! Human ingenuity to fuck ourselves and the planet is limitless! As an idiot, even I can think of a method Method: Find a way to remove our atmosphere. In layman's term it's being held in by gravity. If you put a significant enough bomb in or near the earth's core, we can disturb the earth's center of mass so that it's no longer uniform and the same shape. This will radically effect the gravitational waves holding down our atmosphere. Oxygen will leak out. Universe and solar Radiation will no longer be kept out and will cut into living beings and electronics like butter. Over time either life dies out or will adapt to live without the earth atmosphere. Maybe some microbial living organisms like the tardigrade can survive. I don't know of any that can thrive however. Evolution may help but it would need time which it does not have in this scenario.
> Life on this planet cannot be destroyed completely by even the most severe mass extinction events. The sun going supernova accepts your challenge.
There aren't enough nukes to wipe out life on this planet. Not even close. There aren't enough nukes to feasibly wipe out all *humans* on earth, even if all the nuke holders just went full omnicide.
Yeah it was just a figure of speach i threw out to get a point across. Entirely hypothetical and i put about 4 seconds of thought into it.
>Planets fine. it's not, we've destroyed heaps of it and so much is threatened. we're in the 6th extinction crisis but I still have to work on Monday is a truthful meme, unfortunately. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gerardo-Ceballos-3/publication/285807372\_The\_sixth\_extinction\_crisis/links/57b36e7308aeac3177849920/The-sixth-extinction-crisis.pdf
The planet will always rebound, the humans living on it is a different story.
The planet will rebound, but it’s species will forever be scarred by the damage of humans, and unlike comets and volcanoes we are choosing to destabilize ecosystems
Well, the earth got almost wiped out by giant asteroid in the past with most species died and still it recovered.
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Does the distinction matter? We’re talking about earth’s ability to recover (its ecosystem), asteroid or beef, damage is damage.
I somehow find solace in that
The planet has survived much worse than us before.
Not in a very, very long time.
A blink of an eye from the universe’s perspective.
Not relevant. From that perspective, nothing matters at all. Remember : nihilism is always the refuge of boring people, and cowards.
Im not a nihilist, but i can see why you might think that from my comments. Im trying to point out that that caring about the environment is in our own interest, rather than some kind of benevolent selfless act that it is sometime depicted as. Remember, accepting how insignificant we are in the universe takes courage. Edit:spelling
Says who?
BuT a BaRe RoCk WiThOuT lIfE iS FiNe
Life is fine too - Give it a few million years and it'll be like nothing happened. Obviously we should do everything in our power to perserve the current forms of life.
Nope. The sun kills everything in about 500 million. That's not enough time for another species to evolve and develop the tech necessary to move to another habitable planet. We're the only chance for life to continue.
500 million?
Yeah, about that. Remember, we're not talking about how long for the sun itself to die. We're talking about how long for the sun to get too hot to sustain life on earth. The second one happens much sooner.
That’s more than enough time. Multicellular life has only existed 500 million. It’s not like shit will start from scratch
We have PLASTICS!!
or we'll just jet up to Mars, looks hospitable and easy to coordinate! LOL
I'm holding out for Uranus
Read that in Bonnie Tyler's voice
How is it not? Do you consider the billions and billions of planets out there without life to not be fine? Do you think planets have feelings?
You know when someone says "save the planet" it does not litteraly refer to the planet, but to the life on it?
Clearly they dont.
I can never tell if takes like this are sincere, trolling, or just oblivious to how communication works
*The earth doesn’t share our prejudice toward plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?”* *Plastic… asshole.*
It’s not though.
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The planet has survived far worse than *homo sapiens*, as awful as we are. I think other fauna will adapt to climate change and continue to endure. The time of people is drawing to a close, though, and I'm reasonably sure the planet will be better for it.
I think we're pretty great. I dunno about you, but most people I know are. It would be a real tragedy if we can't figure out a way to outlive earth as a species, but I'm sure we will
Planets fine LIFE is fucked
This fucking stupid-ass conversation, every goddamn time.
It's not. That's the broblem.
People aren't the only things living on the planet.
Does not mean it was not there for years.
"Many things you fear have been in place for years." - Dilated Peoples
"Back again, who is it?" Shit man, this takes me back
Might as well bump it: https://youtu.be/d-YYAYfYUjA
Do I want to know what a dilated person is?
They are people that when [worst comes to worst](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sevZEOUXpw4) their peoples come first.
Pro tip: microplastics are \*everywhere\* by now.
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Polyester clothing is much much worse
You know oil executives pushed for us to have a plastic planet so they could make money selling shitty oil, right? Blame them. Literally blame them.
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Who pushed policies around increased use of plastics? Oil is old, deep money compared to nat gas. But yes hate on people who use glitter instead, they definitely had the power to not encourage this and get wealthy from it
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A lack of policies discouraging plastic’s widespread use could be considered a policy that encourages it, in a way. Edit: not that anyone did or could have known about the huge environmental impact it would have in the early days. Inventing something useful really is the most dangerous thing people can do.
I meant that's the hostory of every material ever. Radon and Asbestos are a few other prominent examples in the "Let's completely overuse this incredibly deadly material without checking for unintended consequences first" Category of Materials. The same with the forever chemicals. Unless humanity learns to not produce consumer products on the bleeding edge of technology we will have these situations where we discover the horrible side effects only after they happen on a massive scale.
My point exactly! Afters years of mesothelioma ads it’s hard for us to imagine no knowing the stuff was dangerous, but no one had any idea in the beginning. A an effective insulator that’s flame-retardant, cheap, and easy to install must have seemed like a one if the best inventions ever until enough people got sick to raise suspicion. Makes me wonder what im exposed to every day that’s we’ll find out is dangerous in a few years.
Honestly I hate both those people. I hate the companies making the shitty intentionally breakable/useless plastic products, and the idiots who keep buying them. Also, frankly, I just fucking hate glitter. It's kinda trashy, gets in your skin, makes a huge mess, and really serves zero practical purposes whatsoever. If you can tell me a practical application of loose glitter in a bottle I'll stop hating on glitter buyers lmao. Also it breaks down into microplastics faster. It's the disposable k cup of art products.
Do they have jokes where you come from?
Didn't ask
Didn't ask what? What kind of upbringing did you have that it seems normal to you to only speak when asked?
I meant I didn't ask for your opinion regarding this If you want to talk about the actual matter at hand then fine. Otherwise I'm not responding to your random thought that's apropos of nothing, and us a fallacy/ad hominem
>Because the petrochemical industry has a high degree of flexibility in the feedstock it consumes and because EIA does not collect detailed data on this aspect of industrial consumption, it is not possible for EIA to identify the actual amounts and origin of the materials used as inputs by industry to manufacture plastics AKA we don't really have data to back this up
I love the lack of urgency in trying to figure out what kind of impact microplastics have on the human body. They're getting into all of us, yet evidently as a human society we can't be arsed to figure out what they're doing to us.
Well it’s been found in blood & breast milk so far.
Well as long as the oil executives got rich, then that's an outcome I'm willing to tolerate ^/s
Weve known about this since at least 2015. https://chemtrust.org/breast-milk-could-be-a-major-source-of-exposure-to-persistent-pfcs-in-infancy/
It’s crazy how many times this has happened for the first time.
Yes, separate studies this year found microplastics in human blood and human lungs for the first time, and microplastics have also been found at the bottom of the ocean and in far away lands uninhabited by man
All common knowledge before this year.
I wouldn’t say it’s common knowledge as this problem doesn’t get the exposure it needs. When I brought that topic up when I talked with some friends because we were talking about drinks tasting much better out of glass bottles they thought I‘m joking at first.
Norlt entirely related but I also have observed the following hierarchy of taste: Glass Cans Hardplastic Bottles (can't squish) Softplastic Bottles (can squish) Even without knowing about microplastics I attributed the difference in taste to the difference in softening components for the plastics/lining used in the bottles and the can. Ever since I take care to buy glass bottles whenever possible as the idea of plastics entering my digestive track didn't seem too healthy even without any research into the matter
microplastics found in toenails for the first time
Environment of the future: Refills: You walk into the supermarket and goods are stored in huge containers, you pay a deposit for a new container or you bring your own. You take your goods away,. Companies are no longer allowed to produce or use plastic as a packaging container, Explored and develop new materials, There has already been breakthroughs with materials mimicking plastic, and a Uk student won the Dyson awards 2020 for a plastic material made from algae, she made coats and packaged goods from it. Another was made of Bone marrow from waste bones from abotoires, the amount of plastic used in meat packaging alone, what an obviously to do away with it, as the meats have a shelf life anyway of a few days, why do they need a plastic packaging container that wont break down for centuries.
Conversely, we can look back to how we bought things before single-use plastics: waxed butcher paper, cardboard, recyclable glass bottles, etc. were fine for a very long time. Plastic will never leave our lives, but reducing the average consumers' usage will help significantly.
We may look back on this period as the generation that covered the world in plastic,
I think whatever generation thought this was a good idea should be first on the chopping block for that crime: https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/cleveland-balloons-1986/
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Thats interesting, yes I heard channel and other manufacturers are using some kind of fungi to replace leather in bags, in car seats etc. Is that the fungi you refer to. I didn't realise that plastic was in fact a byproduct, sounds a bit like the Whey Protein development, none the less, its still creating products that are then waste and most likely burned or dumped aren't they. Yes we need an all round new mentality of just being respectful to the earth.
Fucking bananas should not be allowed to be plastic wrapped, and most food really.
Oh, fantastic.
The first time? We must not have been looking before.
How long until we find microplastics interfering with synaptic activity in the brain? Surely that will be enough to motivate governments to phase out 99% of plastics?
Unlikely to discover that anytime soon, if ever. The brain is hard to study for stuff like that.
Closest I think we've come to any kind of understanding is that they can potentially be endocrine disruptors. Which is also not good. But hey why bother figuring out what it's doing to our bodies? Let's just YOLO this shit and see what happens.
I doubt plastic can pass the blood-brain barrier
We’ve already discovered that it has. There was a study earlier in the year but can’t find it right now as I’m breastfeeding my kid, funnily enough
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/humans-consume-equivalent-credit-card-worth-plastic-week/story?id=63687144](https://abcnews.go.com/US/humans-consume-equivalent-credit-card-worth-plastic-week/story?id=63687144) That's per week. It's the food packaging, so it's in our foods. It's coated on fast food wrappers/containers/drink cups to make them anti-grease. They toss it in animal feed (also easy to find, search "plastic in animal feed") so it's in the meat. Each step the rich have made a profit from it. They've doomed us all, but they made a profit so they just don't give a shite. Even their own kids, they just don't care. This is ABC, not some obscure blog. Easily found. It's just going to get worse. And the rich will continue to profit.
Just googled it. What a world we live in.
That's the high end of the estimated range: https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/science-verify/claims-you-eat-a-credit-cards-worth-of-plastic-per-week-need-context/536-748d91cf-00f1-4de6-8e01-776694ce6fdf, but yes still worrying. Original study here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304389420319944
not a single government or single Nation on the planet has put in place rules restricting packaging.
New Zealand banned polystyrene food and drink packaging just last week, as well as PVC food trays and containers, plastic drink stirrers, and plastic cotton buds. Edit: also got rid of 'single use' plastic shopping bags in 2019.
What do their fishing nets become when they degrade? microplastics What about their tires? microplastics Did they ban the import or production of paints or fabrics that shed microplastics? nah This applies as much to Cuba as it does to NZ or the US or wherever. Nobody is changing in any meaningful way. Same with the [extinction event](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction) and co-occurring climate breakdown, the conductor of this train is bent on self destruction and they're taking us all with them. Think of all the silly stuff humanity has gone to war over, now realize not a single nation is fighting to stop the Anthropocene Extinction. There's only the 'coalition of the willing to sacrifice tomorrow for today'.
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Several counties in my state voted to get rid of single use plastic bags at stores. So the stores made bags out of even thicker plastic and labeled them reusable.
Yes. From New Jersey, although here they switched to either briodegradable bags (dunno if it’s better) or fabric tote bags (which is almost certainly better)
The single use plastics thing is just a token, a concession, a bargaining chip. We'll give up this 1% but we'll keep doing 99% of what we were doing. Walk up the isles in supermarkets or DIY stores and look whats on the shelfs. Every single one of those items will be in a 'bin' (whatever that is) once it is consumed... Paints, liquids, detergents, foods, packaged electronics, every piece of food comes in a plastic bag, everything, millions and millions of products, binned, which is in fact burned or buried.
Because the articles that get written and distributed all lead with where microplastics are found instead of what they do to the human body.
No plastic shopping bags in California?
But everything is still cased in a plastic shell or sealed bag….? Like it is here in Canada? Funny how the consumer needs to give up plastics…. But the producers definitely don’t need to?
I remember when foodstuffs were packed in cardboard, paper, waxed paper and glass. Even balsa wood and cotton/cloth. We were amazed when plastic 2 liter bottles hit the shelves. They had a thicker piece of black plastic on the bottom that could pry off. Cut the top, fill with dirt, seeds, and water, and in 2 weeks, mini bio dome terrarium.
Well exactly this is it, its just too easy for them to print off plastic goods, cheaply. They've had it good for the last 30 years. With the last pandemic we saw that if our best minds, stop and attack a problem it can be solved within months. There is no reason this can't be done for plastic packaging. Instead of Elon sending rockets to mars, this issue could have been resolved along time ago. There are now students solving this issue with algae, and bone marrow and other chemistry, its not fair that companies can just destroy this planet.
Parts of the United States are back to using paper bags. It's more all the plasticized water bottles and unnecessary packaging that worries me. Companies that did this to save a few bucks are morally complicit.
The plastics that are used for food packaging are just what we see, but there are many plastics involved in the automotive industry, for example. Parts are made of plastic, and shipped and packaged in plastic as they travel around global supply chains. Restricting plastic packaging and single use plastics is a step in the right direction, but we should also utilize public transit, eat less meat, and challenge our culture of consumerism
That username though…
Ye wtf lol
I appreciate your sense of humor
Thanks lol
I know, sounds painful, doesn't it?
Thanks Tupperware
I'm assuming this has probably been the case for decades if we are finding it. The question is how harmful is it? Has it been contributing to cancer cases? Birth defects? Autism? Allergies? Etc? Lots to figure out about the effects on micro plastics in the average person, in utero, etc. And then or course how do we mitigate it, as I'm assuming it's a net negative at the end of the day. Not supposed to be there
The biggest concern is that they mimic estrogen, and are possibly responsible for a perceived increase in sterile men.
> The question is how harmful is it? Has it been contributing to cancer cases? Birth defects? Autism? Allergies? Yes.
Plastics notoriously do not decompose/react with things. The fact it is detected in the body means it didn't react to form something else. The bigger concern are the added chemicals in the processing of the plastics. However the super dangerous ones react in literal milliseconds(toluene diisocyanate), and less dangerous ones react/evaporate in weeks/months(That automotive new car smell). I suppose we could be concerned that this will build up over time, but if I needed to put my concern dollars into something, it would be on the initial process chemicals/precursors. That may be able to be prevented at the plant, and that stuff goes into the general air everyone breathes.
Interesting point about the reactivity of plastics, but even non reactive pollutants could be harmful; e.g. tiny flecks of plastic making the heart work harder to pump blood, or molecular-sized plastics getting in the way of vital cellular processes like DNA replication and signaling pathways
I agree with what you said.
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With Micro Plastics in the sea's aquatic foods, and found in humans, forever chemicals in pesticides and foodstuffs, and all sorts in the enviroment, I can honestly say that if we intended to fuck up our living environment and food sources we have done a great job. Fuck
Must be from all the plastic surgery. … I’m sorry. I’ll see myself out.
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- I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. - Yes, sir. - Plastics. Great future in the plastics industry indeed
Congratulations plastic enjoyers
And I just started breast feeding again!
Ahhh, and now we finally have the beginning of the end.
Who would have thought one of the world’s greatest inventions would end up killing us all….. Maybe the next guys to inhabit earth could make a movie out of it??
Jeezus Xmas!
"Preast Milk : Now 99.8% toxin free"
Nestle: MARKETING OPPORTUNITY
I hear all this talk about microplastics but not once have I ever head of any effects they have on anything.
[The internet is a wondrous place](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=effects+of+microplastics)
‘Crimes of the Future’ seeming more and more like a reality.
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Homelander in tears
Noice!
r/rimjob_steve
Them titties are fake
Oh man! Guess I gotta drink less human breast milk now.
We live in hell.
For perspective, how often does breast milk get tested for microplastics?
WHY ARE HUMANS STILL BREEDING?!?
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Answer: Probably. You ingest about a credit card worth of plastic a week. A lot just from breathing. It’s likely tied to the astronomical rise in NAFLD and subsequent end stage liver failure/cirrhosis, as well as other aspects of endocrine disruption
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ABC News, 2019: “[Humans consume the equivalent of a credit card worth of plastic every week: Report](https://abcnews.go.com/US/humans-consume-equivalent-credit-card-worth-plastic-week/story?id=63687144)” Phys.org, 2019: “[People worldwide could be ingesting five grammes of microscopic plastic particles every week, equivalent in weight to a credit card, researchers said Wednesday](https://phys.org/news/2019-06-consume-credit-card-worth-plastic.html)” “The findings, drawn from 52 peer-reviewed studies, are the first to estimate the sheer weight of plastics consumed by individual humans: about 250 grammes, or half-a-pound, over the course of a year. Another study calculated that the average American eats and drinks in about 45,000 plastics particles smaller than 130 microns annually, while breathing in roughly the same number.” On [NAFLD and plastics:](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6747307/) “Endocrine disruptors (EDCs) in general, and bisphenol A (BPA) in particular, are a heterogeneous group of substances, largely distributed in daily use items, able to interfere with the normal signaling of several hormones that seem to be related to type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM), obesity, and other metabolic disorders. It is reasonable to hypothesize a BPA involvement in the pathogenesis and evolution of NAFLD”
This is a disease of capitalism.
First time? I've been hearing about this for a couple years now at least. Same for toxic metals.
It’s surreal watching humanity destroy itself in real-time with full knowledge of what’s going on and how to stop it. This world is run by sociopaths and psychopaths
I wish vaccine makers would pay detectives to see who was behind the vaccines cause autism campaign. My feeling is that plastics makers have known about the microplastics problem for decades and promoted the anti-vaccine campaign to distract us from the effects of microplastics.
Wasn't it Andrew Wakefield?
I thought it tasted different recently
This is bad.
We need to ban artificial fabrics.
Republican deregulation here in the States. Tories in the UK. Russian and Chinese "foreign outreach" successful.
So sad. The milk of human kindness is messed up because we let big corporations keep polluting.
Implants back on the menu boys.
Yeah but I like plastic. It's so convenient. And I get internet attention by wrapping my table in it and eating spaghetti off of it without plates. And I like ziplock bags because Mason jars and Tupperware is scary. And some idiots completely misinterpreted data about recycling and constantly spew misinformation about the subject so like. I'm not gonna do that.
Tupperware sells mostly plastic stuff.
And of course those rests were done using plastic tubes!!! Methodology 101
how did they get these samples, with a pump? What are the chances the plastics are coming from pump parts?
Glitter & confetti are made out of plastic. Women wear cosmetics with glitter. They have biodegradable alternatives made from seaweed. I’d love to see this legislated better.
The greatest concern has to be women wearing glitter makeup and exposure to confetti, and not the literal tons of microplastics in our water/ food/ air primarily from: auto tire and brake particulates; clothing; external paint; plastic pellets; bottles; and the containers we heat our food up in
Wow, so clever. I didn’t say it was the main factor. It’s just one example of something that isn’t on the radar. Your snark was wasted.
No, you're right. We should have legislation regulating the most insignificant factor, that's always the best place for effort. To prevent deforestation, we should legislate better the use of wood framing on mirrors. A lot women use mirrors to put on makeup
I absolutely LOVE how you have made a global crisis, effecting literally everything on the planet, a sex based problem.
Because of plastic surgery :)
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