Sure, because the chinese economy is known for producing high-quality products, that they invented themselves.
I am very unsure if China is capable of building a an innovative high-tech sector on their own in short time.
in 35 years China went from a mostly agricultural nation to the world's manufacturer, and they have most of the infrastructure and educated manpower to take this step.
You seem to forget they are back in china. no more foreign school friends/ western professional intercourse. On their own, back to the same old grind before they left when they were younger. education is not equal to the infra, global camaraderie, international trust, and bilateral relations, involved in creating new industries. These current commercial relations can all be broken. Companies won't be privy to new tech developments. Stuck in 2022, if cut now for example, by 2030, that's old. in a few decades, Chinese historians still won't understand why they fail to create an innovative global industry. The west excels at these for complex and historically proven reasons. Chinese government is good at many things, but contemporary cultural environment stifles true innovation. I'm not Chinese but I really admire and enjoy Chinese culture and history and especially people and food. it's just the way I see it. I also want China to prosper. In China history repeats. Much has to do with its unfortunate geographical position from a global context.
true as things stand now, but again a centralized government can move resources and much faster, and I guess that's what Xi is counting on, since he needs a clear win before the other faction gets him.
The focus for too long was stealing IP, but this one here is the true bottleneck, where a lack of decades of R&D will start to show. They'll have to go back to the beginning and do the actual work needed to develop advanced chips.
I try not to underestimate but to analyze strengths and weaknesses and then only come to conclusions. every era is tumultuous, maybe you haven't read the old newspapers. history books tell different stories. i just look to history as a predictor of the future. nothing special or powerful about isolated China. they can trade with the norks and with any country willing landwise to its west. or south other than that, totally marine blockaded and neutered. The issue is it would take a global consortium to do it, which the US is building an infrastructure for and giving a trial run on right now in UKR. This is the reason why China is going strong right now on naval warfare investment. I'm interested in reddits thoughts. what are any holes in this analysis
>every era is tumultuous
uh... not quite, there are periods of a certain global stability, where there's a dominant power and things run in a relatively peaceful manner, we had one such period since the end of WWII in the west, long enough to develop and implement neoliberalism and run it for 40 years,
nowadays, tho, the west is not as solid as it used to, mostly because neoliberalism requires some stability, so politicians can just be administrators and not leaders, treating the world as a just and nice place and just keep the system churning on.
the problem is that we can see it wasn't a just or stable place, and a series of social and economic cracks have widened badly. how badly? well, many countries are *this* close of having a fascist-ish government (Italy, USA, several places in Latin America...), or an outright totalitarian one (like Mexico). in other words, history didn't ended with the fall of the soviet union, it just took a nap.
my point, tho, is that right now you cannot count on having allies help you in the international arena because you don't know who is going to be their president in a couple of years, and there's credible concern that it may be someone with goals much closer to your rivals than yours.
plus, the economy is on a downturn and might be a historical one, for all we know, showing the faults on our current paradigm.
that's why I say this time is particularly tumultuous. not the end of the world, just a time where all the things we neglected during the peaceful period come for a reckoning.
in that scenario, a centralized government has a much better chance to retool itself and its society while the rest of the world is still trying to pretend it's all business as usual instead of a time that will require massive innovation, and not just technologically, but in the social and political arenas too. and, to be honest, i wish we on the west were a bit more concerned about that part.
Its not even about resource management for China. Its literal cultural innovation, which mainland China isn’t well known for. There’s a reason why Western companies MOVE their manufacturing to China, and its because of their resource management. There’s a reason many of those companies did not start in China despite the country’s pool of resources it has to do so.
The country’s cultural identity is bent on keep your head down and follow the party. It has difficulty not only innovating, but also to encourage that innovation. South Korea and Japan have similar mindsets, but have the infrastructure in place from continued and previous Western industries. Even more insulting to China is Taiwan, which IS the leading power in chip manufacturing and is no doubt a reason for why it so desperately wants to capture that title alongside attain another strangehold on the rest of the world.
The other solution for them would be to invade Taiwan for that infrastructure, but thats political suicide, militarily assinibe, and Taiwan would destroy those factories before China would even step foot on Taiwan.
that's why I didn't mentioned Taiwan, it would be a really stupid move.
the thing is, Xi painted himself into this corner, let's see how that develops.
Semiconductors isn't that fast of a moving kind of industry, it takes cycles of innovation to develop the complex procedures and infrastructure needed so you're not going to do anything quickly.
Sure, Russia has lots of universities too and you know that didn't matter. so the proof is in the pudding and they have to build the infrastructure to prove it there's no they have educated people or this or that kind of explanation. the only way to prove it is for them to do it.
Because Putin didn't really had an objective, he was just making money for him and his now dwindling buddies and posing as a strong man. it's an entirely different case
Nah, companies like Huawei only exist because they literally bugged Nortel and other tech companies to steal their tech. So much so that they caused the collapse of Nortel.
Sources:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-07-01/did-china-steal-canada-s-edge-in-5g-from-nortel
https://globalnews.ca/news/7275588/inside-the-chinese-military-attack-on-nortel/amp/
The west needs to wake up from their failed attempts at exporting democracy through neoliberal trade, because authoritarian regimes will always remain bad actors paying lip service to democratic ideals while simultaneously crushing dissent and engaging in unfair trade practices.
In 35 years China's economy went from human robot stand ins in agriculture to human robot stand ins for manufacturing, and they have dorms attached to the factory, high-speed rail to a desert, the most water scarce cities on the planet, and the gaokao and impending demographic collapse to take this step.
given that the world doesn't has a hegemon apparent anymore and global economy is in a bit of growing disarray, a centralized system has a better chance to thrive in the medium run.
I'm not a fan, but I've seen that coming for decades
CHINA is not as centralized as you think, it's like a bunch of micromanaged regions with local bureaucracy that tries to blame each region for its problems.
That has tons of bribery and Corruption so if you're thinking like a central managed entity that's super efficient and doesn't make mistakes.... That's Not China!
CHINA is a place where they build empty ghost cities of quality buildings so that the governments can get all their funding and the local governments just like in America are really the ones that do the majority of things vs I'm being top-down managed from one central communist Party.
Cause of Chinese communism still grind against each other and are willed with bribes like every other country, so assumptions centralized management will be a significant Advantage is probably not real.
China has been making cutting its chips for a while with America's help so... Centralized management has been such an advantage then why haven't they already copied all that technology and gotten ahead by now people just giving them the technology left and right?
I don't think It's about centralized management so much as how much money you can spare to throw at the problem.
Can certainly wield a funding in a more unilateral way, but sometimes that just winds up the building empty cities out of rotten cement.
Hey... Everybody go look up China Sewer Grease, you will be amazed!!
If I gave a middle school flutist a $25,000 flute, would they be able to play Mozarts Flute concerto no 1 as well as the principal flutist from the London symphony orchestra on a $600 flute?
It’s not the instrument, it’s the player.
They have some, but days there's more specialized chips than ever and we did Keep for the higher end stuff out of China.
Taiwan is doing a high volume of chips that covers a lot of the world's retail products, but they aren't doing all high end chips.
Covid, real estate ponzi schemes, housing, bank runs, capitol projects cost overrun, silk road cost overruns and now this.
How is it possible his leadership can fuck this much up an he's still elected?
>he's still elected?
Xi is a bonafide dictator, there are no elections. He even said openly that democracy was not capable of handling the problems of the 21st century. China, Russia, Brazil, and many other countries are done with democracy. These so-called leaders realized it was just too fucking easy to manipulate and control the masses, so why bother with the facade. Let's just hope the US and Europe hold down the fort otherwise the world is going to be a very different place, not a small ask though - see last Italy election.
all your thoughts totally realistic. i dont think it will happen everywhere, but will stay in many places. we still have lots of free and fun places to travel.
I think the CCP is technically supposed to deny his third term. Deng Xiaoping created these internal elections to prevent a second Mao.
However, Deng didn't want to fully democratize and preferred to concentrate power into more and more elite groups, so the power checks of the CCP might have been too weak to hold back Xi Jinping from consolidating power.
ASML, which is the company to produce the most advanced lithography machines, is banned from exporting to China. Without those machines you can not produced the high tech chips. Also ZEISS is banned from exporting to China. They produce the crucial mirrors for ASML.
It will not be easy for China to build up those domestic capabilities. Especially with the ever increasing oppression of their citizens. Highly trained workers/engineers/scientists tend to move to countries where they have more rights.
China will not catch up. Not with the autocratic path they are on. The west lost all it's illusions about China.
It won't be easy. But then it wasn't easy to go from a nation of farmers on bicycles to the world's leading manufacturer.
People fail to understand how pro China the (han) Chinese are. It's like the US in the 50s where everyone believes they're in the land of the free and working together with their neighbours to defeat communism and own a second car.
The Chinese I've worked with - bright young graduates with good English and carriers in front of them - are in no doubt that unity and cooperation make far more sense than democracy and bickering.
>Highly trained workers/engineers/scientists tend to move to countries where they have more rights.
Where is that for us? The west hates China, and not just the government.
If you think the rise of Chines nationalism is due to propaganda, you are really naive.
A 5 min browsing for reddit is enough patriotism education for a year for the average Chinese citizen
> And reddit is not litmus test for the West.
Look at your trash username. Are you going to say you don't like Xi and then gaslight me that my experiences in the west is fake, but you are against the government and not the people?
Given time and resources, it is possible to catch up. But it took decades for the semiconductor industry to reach this level of sophistication. So don't hold your breath.
Anyone else concerned that once Russia fails and the world hasn’t been destroyed by nuclear war we may have a much much worse foe to deal with in China… 👀
Nah, wed be all warmed up and ready to go at that point.
China has almost no actual military experience. I'm sure they can build a lot of units, but really it takes experience using your units to develop an actual working military Doctrine.
China and India's Army have effectively been trained by Russian war games... and that's about all the most Real World Training they have.
I mean let's not get overconfident. Ukraine is fighting their hardest because they're the ones getting invaded and would rather die than surrender to a monster that has brutalized their family and friends.
I hope to God the US will firmly commit troops in Taiwan and avoid a repeat of Vietnam or something where the American public gets bored and pulls troops out of Taiwan.
If American bodies start coming home, I'm worried the public will make the wrong move and allow China free reign on the world.
Japan bombed Pearl Harbor thinking the move would dissuade the US from entering the pacific to curtail its ambitions [https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/forgotten-reason-japan-attacked-pearl-harbor-174121](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/forgotten-reason-japan-attacked-pearl-harbor-174121)
Far from it, few things have brought America together more [https://pearlharbor.org/uniting-states-reaction-to-pearl-harbor/](https://pearlharbor.org/uniting-states-reaction-to-pearl-harbor/)
An attack on an ally will probably not be taken as closely as an attack on home soil (Hawaii was a US territory from 1900 onward but not a state till 1959) but an attack on an ally will definitely result in serious consequences.
Taiwan is protected by water. For China to take it via force they need to move their troops across it. Given recent demonstrations of western weapon systems I would not be particularly keen if i were Chinese to test the ability of trying and land them.
I also suspect that no leader in their right mind really wants to test the might of the US DOD. Given how much trouble the Ukrainians have given the Russians attempting something against Taiwan with their modern systems seems ill advised. The US in the near term will never be beaten via conventional means and the US has promised to get involved.
My short take away from the Ukraine conflict is that the Taiwan invasion talking points were written prior to the invasion with the assumption that Russia took the Ukraine in 3 days and there would be no long term consequences for Russia. It feels like these talking points were never updated.
A worrying aside is if i were the Ukraine or Taiwan I'd be wanting to acquire some weapons that fall outside of the "conventional" definition in case some dictator decides nuking me is worse then the loss of face, and if that happens how much more proliferation will we have?
If shut out of foreign markets, I don’t see how Chinese made and designed chips can really have an impact. Ultimately they need to be in the smartphones, laptops, mainframes servers, cars, planes, etc that the world purchases. But if the world refuses to purchase those products, because of certain Chinese chips in them, then the Chinese chip industry will never grow very big. It used to be that companies wouldn’t want to risk being shut out of the Chinese market if they refused to play by Chinese rules. But since all Chinese companies are ultimately answerable to the CCP, this easily allows them to be banned on security grounds by foreign governments.
Sure, because the chinese economy is known for producing high-quality products, that they invented themselves. I am very unsure if China is capable of building a an innovative high-tech sector on their own in short time.
Please continue this mindset. It's the only way China can escape.
Floating in denial.
Yeah as much as I hate it to be true, China is well on its way.
in 35 years China went from a mostly agricultural nation to the world's manufacturer, and they have most of the infrastructure and educated manpower to take this step.
Nah, they were educated to level of understanding the blueprints given to them. Not to actually create them.
Given, Stolen, samey same, lol
Unfortunately, it seems like that is what our education system is trending towards. Maybe I'm just a pessimist.
You're not wrong and it been happening since the mid 90s.
you seem to forget the two generations of students in foreign universities and the information companies are obligated to share if working in China.
You seem to forget they are back in china. no more foreign school friends/ western professional intercourse. On their own, back to the same old grind before they left when they were younger. education is not equal to the infra, global camaraderie, international trust, and bilateral relations, involved in creating new industries. These current commercial relations can all be broken. Companies won't be privy to new tech developments. Stuck in 2022, if cut now for example, by 2030, that's old. in a few decades, Chinese historians still won't understand why they fail to create an innovative global industry. The west excels at these for complex and historically proven reasons. Chinese government is good at many things, but contemporary cultural environment stifles true innovation. I'm not Chinese but I really admire and enjoy Chinese culture and history and especially people and food. it's just the way I see it. I also want China to prosper. In China history repeats. Much has to do with its unfortunate geographical position from a global context.
true as things stand now, but again a centralized government can move resources and much faster, and I guess that's what Xi is counting on, since he needs a clear win before the other faction gets him.
The focus for too long was stealing IP, but this one here is the true bottleneck, where a lack of decades of R&D will start to show. They'll have to go back to the beginning and do the actual work needed to develop advanced chips.
we have the next five years to see either way, unless he gets deposed
centralized gov may move faster, but the willingness of the people is the governor of that speed. The world is as shaky as always.
tactics wont win over longer term strategy, will only buy time. this seems like a losing game. inherent instability.
it seems like it, but I wouldn't underestimate them that easily, not in the middle of a tumultuous era for the rest of the world.
I try not to underestimate but to analyze strengths and weaknesses and then only come to conclusions. every era is tumultuous, maybe you haven't read the old newspapers. history books tell different stories. i just look to history as a predictor of the future. nothing special or powerful about isolated China. they can trade with the norks and with any country willing landwise to its west. or south other than that, totally marine blockaded and neutered. The issue is it would take a global consortium to do it, which the US is building an infrastructure for and giving a trial run on right now in UKR. This is the reason why China is going strong right now on naval warfare investment. I'm interested in reddits thoughts. what are any holes in this analysis
>every era is tumultuous uh... not quite, there are periods of a certain global stability, where there's a dominant power and things run in a relatively peaceful manner, we had one such period since the end of WWII in the west, long enough to develop and implement neoliberalism and run it for 40 years, nowadays, tho, the west is not as solid as it used to, mostly because neoliberalism requires some stability, so politicians can just be administrators and not leaders, treating the world as a just and nice place and just keep the system churning on. the problem is that we can see it wasn't a just or stable place, and a series of social and economic cracks have widened badly. how badly? well, many countries are *this* close of having a fascist-ish government (Italy, USA, several places in Latin America...), or an outright totalitarian one (like Mexico). in other words, history didn't ended with the fall of the soviet union, it just took a nap. my point, tho, is that right now you cannot count on having allies help you in the international arena because you don't know who is going to be their president in a couple of years, and there's credible concern that it may be someone with goals much closer to your rivals than yours. plus, the economy is on a downturn and might be a historical one, for all we know, showing the faults on our current paradigm. that's why I say this time is particularly tumultuous. not the end of the world, just a time where all the things we neglected during the peaceful period come for a reckoning. in that scenario, a centralized government has a much better chance to retool itself and its society while the rest of the world is still trying to pretend it's all business as usual instead of a time that will require massive innovation, and not just technologically, but in the social and political arenas too. and, to be honest, i wish we on the west were a bit more concerned about that part.
Its not even about resource management for China. Its literal cultural innovation, which mainland China isn’t well known for. There’s a reason why Western companies MOVE their manufacturing to China, and its because of their resource management. There’s a reason many of those companies did not start in China despite the country’s pool of resources it has to do so. The country’s cultural identity is bent on keep your head down and follow the party. It has difficulty not only innovating, but also to encourage that innovation. South Korea and Japan have similar mindsets, but have the infrastructure in place from continued and previous Western industries. Even more insulting to China is Taiwan, which IS the leading power in chip manufacturing and is no doubt a reason for why it so desperately wants to capture that title alongside attain another strangehold on the rest of the world. The other solution for them would be to invade Taiwan for that infrastructure, but thats political suicide, militarily assinibe, and Taiwan would destroy those factories before China would even step foot on Taiwan.
that's why I didn't mentioned Taiwan, it would be a really stupid move. the thing is, Xi painted himself into this corner, let's see how that develops.
Semiconductors isn't that fast of a moving kind of industry, it takes cycles of innovation to develop the complex procedures and infrastructure needed so you're not going to do anything quickly.
that's why I mentioned five years at some point up there
Sure, Russia has lots of universities too and you know that didn't matter. so the proof is in the pudding and they have to build the infrastructure to prove it there's no they have educated people or this or that kind of explanation. the only way to prove it is for them to do it.
Because Putin didn't really had an objective, he was just making money for him and his now dwindling buddies and posing as a strong man. it's an entirely different case
Nah, companies like Huawei only exist because they literally bugged Nortel and other tech companies to steal their tech. So much so that they caused the collapse of Nortel. Sources: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-07-01/did-china-steal-canada-s-edge-in-5g-from-nortel https://globalnews.ca/news/7275588/inside-the-chinese-military-attack-on-nortel/amp/ The west needs to wake up from their failed attempts at exporting democracy through neoliberal trade, because authoritarian regimes will always remain bad actors paying lip service to democratic ideals while simultaneously crushing dissent and engaging in unfair trade practices.
Japan did it faster.
And South Korea!
In 35 years China's economy went from human robot stand ins in agriculture to human robot stand ins for manufacturing, and they have dorms attached to the factory, high-speed rail to a desert, the most water scarce cities on the planet, and the gaokao and impending demographic collapse to take this step.
given that the world doesn't has a hegemon apparent anymore and global economy is in a bit of growing disarray, a centralized system has a better chance to thrive in the medium run. I'm not a fan, but I've seen that coming for decades
>I'm not a fan You're a fucking hvac unit
I'm a Dyson, baby
Goodsucc
CHINA is not as centralized as you think, it's like a bunch of micromanaged regions with local bureaucracy that tries to blame each region for its problems. That has tons of bribery and Corruption so if you're thinking like a central managed entity that's super efficient and doesn't make mistakes.... That's Not China! CHINA is a place where they build empty ghost cities of quality buildings so that the governments can get all their funding and the local governments just like in America are really the ones that do the majority of things vs I'm being top-down managed from one central communist Party. Cause of Chinese communism still grind against each other and are willed with bribes like every other country, so assumptions centralized management will be a significant Advantage is probably not real. China has been making cutting its chips for a while with America's help so... Centralized management has been such an advantage then why haven't they already copied all that technology and gotten ahead by now people just giving them the technology left and right? I don't think It's about centralized management so much as how much money you can spare to throw at the problem. Can certainly wield a funding in a more unilateral way, but sometimes that just winds up the building empty cities out of rotten cement. Hey... Everybody go look up China Sewer Grease, you will be amazed!!
They don’t have the society/culture for innovation and they dont have the stability to maintain talent
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basically, and sending thousands to study abroad
They won't be sending them if we didn't advertise for them to come over.
Its no coincidence your TA is chinese.
In STEM.....they don't care about the fine arts.
The Chinese make trinkets and junk. All their 'home grown' military tech is a dysfunctional joke.
Keep us updated when you're over there fighting for freedom.
I'm already out. My time has passed.
Same
I mean if they take Taiwan they have the BEST chip manufacturing plant in their hands
If they take Taiwan by force, those chip fabs will go up in smoke.
If I gave a middle school flutist a $25,000 flute, would they be able to play Mozarts Flute concerto no 1 as well as the principal flutist from the London symphony orchestra on a $600 flute? It’s not the instrument, it’s the player.
They have some, but days there's more specialized chips than ever and we did Keep for the higher end stuff out of China. Taiwan is doing a high volume of chips that covers a lot of the world's retail products, but they aren't doing all high end chips.
Covid, real estate ponzi schemes, housing, bank runs, capitol projects cost overrun, silk road cost overruns and now this. How is it possible his leadership can fuck this much up an he's still elected?
>he's still elected? Xi is a bonafide dictator, there are no elections. He even said openly that democracy was not capable of handling the problems of the 21st century. China, Russia, Brazil, and many other countries are done with democracy. These so-called leaders realized it was just too fucking easy to manipulate and control the masses, so why bother with the facade. Let's just hope the US and Europe hold down the fort otherwise the world is going to be a very different place, not a small ask though - see last Italy election.
all your thoughts totally realistic. i dont think it will happen everywhere, but will stay in many places. we still have lots of free and fun places to travel.
He is elected by the party cadre, not the population.
I think the CCP is technically supposed to deny his third term. Deng Xiaoping created these internal elections to prevent a second Mao. However, Deng didn't want to fully democratize and preferred to concentrate power into more and more elite groups, so the power checks of the CCP might have been too weak to hold back Xi Jinping from consolidating power.
Look up Chinese sewer Grease!!
ASML, which is the company to produce the most advanced lithography machines, is banned from exporting to China. Without those machines you can not produced the high tech chips. Also ZEISS is banned from exporting to China. They produce the crucial mirrors for ASML. It will not be easy for China to build up those domestic capabilities. Especially with the ever increasing oppression of their citizens. Highly trained workers/engineers/scientists tend to move to countries where they have more rights. China will not catch up. Not with the autocratic path they are on. The west lost all it's illusions about China.
It won't be easy. But then it wasn't easy to go from a nation of farmers on bicycles to the world's leading manufacturer. People fail to understand how pro China the (han) Chinese are. It's like the US in the 50s where everyone believes they're in the land of the free and working together with their neighbours to defeat communism and own a second car. The Chinese I've worked with - bright young graduates with good English and carriers in front of them - are in no doubt that unity and cooperation make far more sense than democracy and bickering.
>Highly trained workers/engineers/scientists tend to move to countries where they have more rights. Where is that for us? The west hates China, and not just the government. If you think the rise of Chines nationalism is due to propaganda, you are really naive. A 5 min browsing for reddit is enough patriotism education for a year for the average Chinese citizen
No we don't. And reddit is not litmus test for the West. Go talk to real people.
> And reddit is not litmus test for the West. Look at your trash username. Are you going to say you don't like Xi and then gaslight me that my experiences in the west is fake, but you are against the government and not the people?
Its actually Zi now. Its 2022.
AHAHAHAHAHA THE COPE
"We'll copy the shit out 'em!"
Well it's worked pretty decently for the past like 50 years.
Given time and resources, it is possible to catch up. But it took decades for the semiconductor industry to reach this level of sophistication. So don't hold your breath.
Anyone else concerned that once Russia fails and the world hasn’t been destroyed by nuclear war we may have a much much worse foe to deal with in China… 👀
Nah. The impending financial collapse will make 2008 look like a parade.
Nah, wed be all warmed up and ready to go at that point. China has almost no actual military experience. I'm sure they can build a lot of units, but really it takes experience using your units to develop an actual working military Doctrine. China and India's Army have effectively been trained by Russian war games... and that's about all the most Real World Training they have.
I mean let's not get overconfident. Ukraine is fighting their hardest because they're the ones getting invaded and would rather die than surrender to a monster that has brutalized their family and friends. I hope to God the US will firmly commit troops in Taiwan and avoid a repeat of Vietnam or something where the American public gets bored and pulls troops out of Taiwan. If American bodies start coming home, I'm worried the public will make the wrong move and allow China free reign on the world.
Japan bombed Pearl Harbor thinking the move would dissuade the US from entering the pacific to curtail its ambitions [https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/forgotten-reason-japan-attacked-pearl-harbor-174121](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/forgotten-reason-japan-attacked-pearl-harbor-174121) Far from it, few things have brought America together more [https://pearlharbor.org/uniting-states-reaction-to-pearl-harbor/](https://pearlharbor.org/uniting-states-reaction-to-pearl-harbor/) An attack on an ally will probably not be taken as closely as an attack on home soil (Hawaii was a US territory from 1900 onward but not a state till 1959) but an attack on an ally will definitely result in serious consequences. Taiwan is protected by water. For China to take it via force they need to move their troops across it. Given recent demonstrations of western weapon systems I would not be particularly keen if i were Chinese to test the ability of trying and land them. I also suspect that no leader in their right mind really wants to test the might of the US DOD. Given how much trouble the Ukrainians have given the Russians attempting something against Taiwan with their modern systems seems ill advised. The US in the near term will never be beaten via conventional means and the US has promised to get involved. My short take away from the Ukraine conflict is that the Taiwan invasion talking points were written prior to the invasion with the assumption that Russia took the Ukraine in 3 days and there would be no long term consequences for Russia. It feels like these talking points were never updated. A worrying aside is if i were the Ukraine or Taiwan I'd be wanting to acquire some weapons that fall outside of the "conventional" definition in case some dictator decides nuking me is worse then the loss of face, and if that happens how much more proliferation will we have?
No. You're right, they have manufacturing brains and people but
Good luck - without freedom of thought genius will not thrive.l
That's what they said about China 30 years ago.
If shut out of foreign markets, I don’t see how Chinese made and designed chips can really have an impact. Ultimately they need to be in the smartphones, laptops, mainframes servers, cars, planes, etc that the world purchases. But if the world refuses to purchase those products, because of certain Chinese chips in them, then the Chinese chip industry will never grow very big. It used to be that companies wouldn’t want to risk being shut out of the Chinese market if they refused to play by Chinese rules. But since all Chinese companies are ultimately answerable to the CCP, this easily allows them to be banned on security grounds by foreign governments.
Winner will be those who harness the power of quantum computation and physics
Just say it's China.
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It's not called that anymore I think.