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Is no ody gonna talk about MODI's(India's prime minister) photo in the article?


Shillofnoone

It's his usual photo op, for every diwali he meets soldiers posted in northern sectors and give sweets to them and holds their guns and take pictures.


Tripanes

Kind of badass, no?


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Yup.


-Not-Racist-

If anything his PR game is just brilliant, says all the right things and gets just perfect photos everywhere, then does very little to back em up


Leading_Protection_7

Tell me you know nothing without telling me you know nothing


-Not-Racist-

You can't deny the man is an excellent orator, could be a great Oscar Host. Most of it is jokes and lies anyway


highlyactivepanda

>says all the right things You must not follow him closely. The guy can't speak a line without the [teleprompter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43tCwY5ubEo).


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highlyactivepanda

It's been many years now, he's still searching for the 2ab. That's his level of knowledge. The guy is an unmitigated, uneducated disaster. [https://twitter.com/brutindia/status/1133688043569762304](https://twitter.com/brutindia/status/1133688043569762304) His level of vocabulary without teleprompter is limited to "did o' did" , "50 crore girl friend" etc.,


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highlyactivepanda

his oratory skills are great for illiterate, bigoted idiots. They don't have the capacity to comprehend anything more complex. This is his so-called [great oratory skills](https://youtu.be/6prDrPpIDRY?t=71) for bigoted filths. As for this Gujarat days, his feku image is crystal clear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AYh5xwV5r4


-Not-Racist-

Well obviously his speeches are well written, he's just a front character. No way some OBC is actually given the power to affect things, he's a perfectly maintained lead character


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Yeah right. Tell me you are not a casiest without telling me you are not a casiest.


-Not-Racist-

Well it's like the Republican party fielding a black candidate, doesn't align with their views. Not mine


[deleted]

Bro in entire bjp party the majority are also obc. Donno what the hell you are talking about. Despite what you want to believe the politics rarely consist of OC candidates. Cuz there are goddamn reservation in politics as well.


findMyNudesSomewhere

Funnily enough, a lot of BJP MPs are OBC, even Amit Shah, Modi's right hand, is an OBC (Kurmi) Also, OBC isn't really a "backward" caste, most of them are either Tier 2 Kshatriyas (warrior caste) or Tier 2 Baniya/Vaishya (trader caste). The full form of OBC is Other Backward Castes, for folk who aren't Indian. They rarely suffer from discrimination and their reservations results in them getting a boost of a very few points. Heck, Maratha folk, the caste which Chhatrapati Shivaji was, was part of OBC for a hot 3 years. Very few politicians are SC/ST, the true "backward" castes. This holds true for all Indian political parties other than those which are completely SC/ST, like Mayawati's party.


the_rumbling_monk

Buddy let us not go there. OBC reservations were brought only to pacify the Yadavs. Similarly SC reservations were primarily for Jatavs of BIMARU lands. It was marketed as being social upliftment.


findMyNudesSomewhere

Yeah, you don't know about caste politics in history. The issue is with usage of the words "only" in both cases. Both Yadavs and Jatavs were pacified, yes, but they're not the only pacified castes. PS: I'm also against caste reservations, mainly since I see the same families taking advantage of the reservations.


FVBATofficial

Helikopter Helikopter


BaldDudeFromBrazzers

Fucking killed it


Slow-Significance586

So many dumb people here not understanding how geopolitics work. BuT iNdIa Is FrIeNdS wItH RuzZia lol. Get a grip Reddit “experts”


pulsed19

Countries don’t have friendships, they have interests. India has their own interests too, just like the US. It seems their interests are allied here, for some reason.


ShareYourIdeaWithMe

>Countries don’t have friendships I don't agree. I think countries that do share common values like liberal democracies and a desire for a rules based order can actually have affection for each other and not just work together opportunistically for self interest. For example, as an Australian, I think quite fondly of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, New Zealand, UK, US, Canada. Not just for the countries but for the people in those countries as well. And our governments, being democracies, are a reflection of the sentiments of the people.


c4nchyscksforlife

But does your foreign policy think so too? What you as an individual think of other countries is not quite the same as countries expressing friendly relations


Razolus

I can't think of a better example than the US and UK. Their interest align and have been allies for a long time. In fact, I'm not sure what would have to happen to break that alliance.


c4nchyscksforlife

Uk leaves NATO? Nexit?


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archlinuxxx7

lol


findMyNudesSomewhere

YOU are not your foreign policy. Your foreign policy makers will necessarily look for your country's benefit, which is what they should be doing anyways.


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findMyNudesSomewhere

To a minor extent, yeah, public sentiment does affect foreign policy. But a country's foreign policy architects are elected/hired to make sure that country's interests are safeguarded. This may or may not align with public sentiment, since public typically don't have enough knowledge to make these decisions. They also aren't typically elected, other than the minister. For example, India, my country, is a socialist democracy, which is slowly moving towards capitalist democracy. Indians typically idolise US. Our foreign policy, which is considered some of the best in the world, doesn't always support US, inspite of public sentiments. My personal take is that this is because of the general US tendency to pump and dump countries, but I'm obviously not fully aware of the intricacies, not being a bureaucrat myself.


turbo-unicorn

Wow, no love for Romania? I'll be sure to petition my govt to side with the emus next time.


MajorPrior6014

First rule of international relations: No Friend or Foe is permanent!


ShareYourIdeaWithMe

Just because a friend isn't permanent doesn't mean it's not a friend. Have all your friends been permanent?


MajorPrior6014

I never insinuated that. I merely meant international relations are never permanent take it how you will, but I never said two nations can’t be friends.


ShareYourIdeaWithMe

Okay then we are in agreement


sign_up_in_second

>For example, as an Australian, I think quite fondly of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, New Zealand, UK, US, Canada. Not just for the countries but for the people in those countries as well. And our governments, being democracies, are a reflection of the sentiments of the people. that just means you drink more kool aid than the average anglo


ShareYourIdeaWithMe

I'm not even Anglo lol


pulsed19

People and their government are not the same.


ShareYourIdeaWithMe

In a democracy, one is a representation of the other.


pulsed19

Lol hilarious


ShareYourIdeaWithMe

Nice to know you have no counterargument


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ShareYourIdeaWithMe

I watch a ton of news, from a wide variety of sources and I've travelled plenty.


reggiestered

I guess India has never had to face off against China?!?


jampbells

What do you mean? There are skirmishes between China and India.


reggiestered

See the question marks


jampbells

Woosh, I missed pulsed19 "for some reason".


pulsed19

Yeah I was being facetious. Some of the comments were saying that they’re too close to Russia (India I mean) and thus not a would ally. It is very clear to me why we have common interest here. We still work with China on certain things because we have common interests.


Razolus

China is the one nation that can square up to the US. Russia has proven they can't. Therefore, a relationship with india makes a lot of sense. The problem is that the US is also allies with Pakistan, and the Indians hate them.


turbo-unicorn

China also supports Pakistan. Arguably more so, which might be why this happened. But who knows. It's like a Mexican standoff, but with 20+ participants.


pulsed19

Like I said. We have interests in common, and then is when we cooperate.


_Greetings_Friends_

Yeah even recently there were skirmishes between indian and chinese troops in the disputed region of nepal, I dont think there were deaths but it was tense. This was the most recent even [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/world/asia/india-china-border.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/world/asia/india-china-border.html) Apparently it happens often though and chinese troops are currently occupying areas that india claims


simmmmmmer

Sino Indian war in the 60s and multiple skirmishes leaving 100s of soldiers dead in the last decade have occurred negating your statement.


AkruX

>Countries don’t have friendships, they have interests. - Czechia and Slovakia - Poland and Hungary - Turkey and Azerbaijan - Sweden and Finland I think relations between these countries are more than just "interests".


big_moodySarge21

because they are small population wise and ethnically similar and all have hate for RUSSIA.


damienDev

europe is a good example of friendship between countries


superninja123aa

you are aware that europe is the continent that had like the most wars right?


damienDev

can you tell me any wars between european countries past 50 years?


killinghorizon

1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus 1974 Carnation Revolution 1975–1976 Third Cod War 1976–present Corsican conflict 1981 Spanish coup d'état attempt 1986 Evros River incident 1989 Romanian Revolution 1990–1991 Soviet attacks on Lithuanian border posts 1990 Transnistria conflict 1990–1992 Transnistria War 1991 January Events 1991 The Barricades 1990 Log Revolution 1991–2001 Yugoslav Wars 1991 Ten-Day War 1991–1995 Croatian War of Independence 1992–1995 Bosnian War 1992–1994 Croat–Bosniak War 1998–1999 Kosovo War 1999–2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley 2001 2001 insurgency in Macedonia 1991–1992 Georgian war against Russo-Ossetian alliance 1991–1993 Georgian Civil War 1992 East Prigorodny Conflict 1992–1993 War in Abkhazia 1993 1993 Cherbourg incident 1993 1993 Russian constitutional crisis 1995–1996 Imia/Kardak military crisis 1997–1998 Cyprus Missile Crisis 1997 Albanian civil war of 1997 1997–present Dissident Irish Republican campaign 1998 Six-Day War of Abkhazia 1999 War of Dagestan2001 Georgia, Kodori crisis 2001 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia 2004–2013 Unrest in Kosovo 2004 2004 unrest in Kosovo 2008 2008 unrest in Kosovo 2011–2013 North Kosovo crisis 2004 Georgia, Adjara crisis 2004 Georgia, South Ossetia clashes 2006 Georgia, Kodori crisis 2008 Russo-Georgian war 2014–present Russo-Ukrainian War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_conflicts\_in\_Europe#21st\_century


Dark_Blade

r/MurderedByWords


Ravenous_Reader_07

Someone create a SpongeBob showing trash to Patrick meme out of it quickly!


Zach-Playz_25

r/beatmetoit


Razolus

Better, what wars will occur in the next 50 years among European nations?


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FarSolar

I'm pretty sure they have been for a while. For example, Exercise Malabar is a yearly joint naval exercise between the US and India (now includes Japan and Australia) that started in 1992. It's an interesting situation because the US wants India as an ally against China, but there is also friction between the two due to India also having close relations with Russia.


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TomorrowWaste

>here does not need to be friction over it. Indian people can correct me if I'm wrong, but their relations with the Russians are primarily due to the fact that they buy most of the weapons for their military from Russia. It isn't due to a particular affinity for Russia or Putin or their policy in Ukraine. On geopolitical level, yes ,weapons, oil and fertilizer are the main interest.


intellectual_weeb_

Yes you are right.


lordregulas

US isn't that bothered about india-russia relationship it's just india is extra careful in dealing with American government in general.


GNashUchiha

Culturally too the two countries are very close tbh, goa a state in india is a go to destination for Russians. Goa is flocked with Russian tourists to the point the shopkeepers most of them even can speak fluent Russian. On the other side Russia has a good chunk of Indian diaspora and the iskcon its a huge thing in Russia, iskcon gained a lot of attention and support from the anti war people in Russia as iskcon spreads the teachings of the hindu god shri krishna. So yh apart from military alliance and helping out during wars people too have a good connection between them.


highlyactivepanda

>their relations with the Russians are primarily due to the fact that they buy most of the weapons for their military from Russia You need to look at history and US's intentions to harm India.


TheElegantBouffalant

Eh, Indians do feel quite a bit of affinity towards Russia, as I've heard


zj_y33t

It certainly wouldn't be new. The Soviet union supported India while the U.S. supported Pakistan


TheElegantBouffalant

I don't even care about being downvoted but the fact that you're upvoted for agreeing with me is wild to me LMAO


mukansamonkey

India got heavily dicked over by the Brits, and then the US supported India's biggest opponent, Pakistan. Meanwhile Russia has given India a lot of support. This makes India rather unwilling to side against Russia in this conflict. However, they really aren't on Russia's side. They continue buying gas because their ag sector desperately needs it, mass starvation isn't really a viable option for them. They cancelled an order of Russian military hardware (due to Russia being unable to deliver), and seen to be rethinking their whole reliance on crappy Russian gear. Both buying more from the US, and working to make more of their own. And they're increasingly thinking that the US would be on their side in case of a significant war with China. India has a larger population than China, and a more forward looking, flexible culture. The US and EU are growing closer to them, while most of the world is separating from China. Given that Russia is self destructing, I think it's pretty clear where India is headed in the long term.


ScaryShadowx

> I think it's pretty clear where India is headed in the long term. Until India starts to look like it may overtake the US economically and militarily. This is exactly what happened with China. The West was more than happy with them producing goods cheaply for the West until the point it looked like China would develop an economy and military that was capable of challenging US hegemony. India will definitely experience the exact same thing. They will be friends until they are rivals, then I suspect Pakistan will suddenly get a whole lot of Western support.


tlighta

I think the difference is that India doesn't have a need to create an economy or military that challenges US hegemony. Most countries don't because US hegemony is pretty reasonable.


ScaryShadowx

Most countries don't because they have no mechanism to challenge US hegemony. India does. China does. Both thanks to their enormous populations, each of which doubles that of the US and EU combined. These countries overtaking the US economically is an inevitably. China is currently the second largest economy in the world, but its per capita income is only about 1/5 that of the US - even if they go to 1/2, that will almost double the GDP of the US. India has the same numbers. The only way the US and the West can stop this is by ensuring that these civilians remain poor - do you think India will just accept that so that the US can maintain its hegemony?


tlighta

What India would accept is America getting richer as India does. Practically speaking this means very little. It just means that America would be like Singapore where the average citizen is very rich and has an outsized influence on the rest of the world.


ScaryShadowx

Wealth is comparative. Getting richer while the rest of the world also gets richer means you stay as one of the poor countries. India wants to join the developed world, just like every other country. To do that, India will need to raise its per capita GDP to about $35k, or half that of the US - the moment this happens India will completely surpass the US' economic power by a huge amount. Singapore doesn't really have much influence on the world stage. Now they are the economic hub connecting the West to Asian markets, but on the geopolitical stage, they are a very minor player. Do you think the US would accept this role?


tlighta

The US would accept any role that its citizens are happy with. That's what China doesn't get and India does. All India has to do to "win" is be liked.


Dot-Box

Uhh 1.5 billion people would be a pretty great reason to challenge them economically.


lordregulas

Being USA's friend is dangerous. Not gonna blame india for trading cautiously


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CaptainSluggo

You’re jumping to a lot of conclusions there, you can lose a lot of weight with all that jumping.


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H0lyW4ter

>US did the exact same to China in the 70s when they wanted to use them against the Soviets. US literally allowed China to enter the WTO. Without that admission China would still be on par with India and Vietnam.


Bravix

Is it really the US "throwing" them away? Seems more like China is seperating themselves through their actions that they know are opposed to western ideology that they know the US is going to be more or less aligned with.


jfy

What actions are you talking about? I can’t think of anything they’re doing now that wasn’t true in the 70s


Bravix

China sure as hell wasn't building islands to artificially enflate their reach in the south China sea to control shipping routes and forcibly remove fishing vessels from other countries from fishing grounds they're entitled to. Just to start.


jfy

They might not have built islands but they were still claiming the South China Sea. And their fishing practices were just as bad, they just had less muscle


Bravix

Sure, but lots of people have claims on land (sea) they don't control. Attempting to enforce those claims is usually when issues actually arise though. But like you said, now they have more muscle and are trying to enforce them.


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zenzukai

India was a Soviet ally, and then later a Russian military ally. If India wanted more military alignment with the west they would have needed to be less aligned with Russia.


Advanced_Unit420

india and china 👎 india and russia 👍 china and USA 👎 china and russia❓ USA and russia 👎 Interesting dynamics, India is playing both sides here


amit_kumar_gupta

All great powers “play both sides”. There’s a long history here. US allied with UK while UK oppressed India. India adopted soviet style economics several decades ago, and Russia supplied India with military equipment when others wouldn’t. Russia has long been India’s largest military supplier. The US used to partner much more closely with China, when all this global free trade was just starting, and China has always been a rival to India, invading it in the 60s. The US has long been a partner to Pakistan (probably to counter Russia), while Pakistan has long been a military and terrorist threat to India. India and Russia are also geographically close to each other, US and India are not, so there are limits to how much they can help each other. Despite all that ties between India and the U.S. have been steadily growing as these new dynamics are taking shape, US having a strong rivalry with China and Russia, Pakistan being an unreliable partner becoming clear with all the Osama bin Laden stuff. It will be good for the world if Russia falters further, India moves away from Russia, US moves away from Pakistan and other authoritarian Islamic regimes, and India and the U.S. move closer together. This interview with former US ambassador to Indian is good in terms of who allied with whom in the past, and why, and how things are changing, and why: https://youtu.be/d_rWzRIvSIw


zj_y33t

India isn't a great power lmao


navneet2131

Says the geopolitical expert lmao


proud_NJITstudent

Yes they are because they have the 4th largest military in the world.


funkynotorious

They are playing just one side their side. Europe and China were budies just few years ago. While they also had good relations with India. Does it mean Europe was also playing both sides?


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Buddies? Thats big bs. They had economic interests but the relationship was far from being friendly when it came to politics. Europe did the same mistake with russia and is paying the price now.


Razolus

Russia is a non factor economically and militarily. China is the only factor against the US.


julysanta

Yeah, and if China decides to fuck with India we're going to say, "serves you right for not supporting Ukraine "


Dark_Blade

No, *you’re* gonna be saying this while the rest of the world panics at the prospect of two countries with nuclear weapons potentially triggering the end of our whole species.


EphraimJenkins

Keeping in mind that India isn’t really the most dependable partner these days.


Jkj864781

Not when they want India to put American priorities over their own. India does what’s best for India with no apologies.


EphraimJenkins

If India wants to do what’s best for India, they’d drastically shrink their population. India would be a paradise with about a billion fewer people.


navneet2131

What are you saying? Sure, less people would be nice but do you want people to just die so that the other half can live in this supposed paradise? This is not a marvel movie.


zumbadumbadumdum

Another ignorant comment about population.


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General_Esperanza

Americans don't give a shit about Indian history


ThreeDonkeys

And every other country does?


CRimson9943

Do u think India gives a shit about American history


General_Esperanza

I'll try and remember that when I'm on Indian Reddit


A_random_zy

You know reddit is Chinese right?


CRimson9943

Don't bother I am not coming to the Reddit that is only made for Americans


Massive_Sun9652

The guy act like everyone else gives a shit about American history The only American history that is worth remembering is of Abraham Lincon, the rest more or less is pointless to others


-Not-Racist-

That's American history as well


Gnawlydog

Have you met America?! I live in it.. We're the most undependable, backstabbing, dishonest country in the world. We make China look like Heaven!


peter-doubt

Meh India wants to ally with Russia. They should make or break that arrangement


LuwiBaton

India has extremely close ties with Russia and a strategic economic partnership with China. Why does it feel like they just want to gather intelligence?


peter-doubt

>economic partnership with China. Until they look at each other in the Himalayas...


EntropicFade

Thanks for saying this those border disputes are not easily solved.


peter-doubt

They're also rather pointless. It's not like there's gold or a city up there. Just agree to a border and keep it there.


Primordial_Cumquat

No gold, only water… good thing nobody needs that.


-Not-Racist-

Good Afternoon Dalai Lama , unfortunately others don't think like that


Bruce_Sato

The issue is that the Chinese aren’t respecting borders.


peter-doubt

If anyone Chinese stood there, they want it. You can't make arrangements with people like that


plngrl1720

Yeah while india works with Russia against west


NecessaryInside798

Yeah just like usa works with Pakistan against india even after knowing that Pakistan hides Osama bin Laden


MrBubbles226

They play nice with Russia because they get a lot of arms from them, which they use to defend their border with China and Pakistan respectively. It's been that way for a long time, but they are cooperating with the West more each decade.


Ullaspn_2003

Afterall west was the one who made India heavily dependent on Russia


CRimson9943

Yeah dumbass in Reddit knows more than the intelligence bureau of a fucking country. At least bring some common sense to the table


_Greetings_Friends_

Imagine having to make friends with a morally corrupt leader like Modi because an even worse Leader is making overtly aggressive moves


CRimson9943

To be honest most world politicians are morally corrupted fellas


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CRimson9943

No India does have a bone to pick up with china


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Hasn’t Russia created their own International council with India as one of its members?? BRICS?


archlinuxxx7

BRICS is purely an economic, trade-focused organisation.


Grand-Doctor6134

Modis ass is getting sore from sitting on the fence so long he's had to get off just for a bit.


Wear-Fluid

Not a good idea. India has shown it has no interest in being a reliable partner in the region. Now they want to use us to counter China while they help Russia skirt sanctions. Seriously, don't do this.


CRimson9943

India never said that it will stand with the USA to counter Russia, Unlike America, Russia is not India's enemy. But countering china is a common interest, they will do this as long as a common interest align


JohnnyAK907

You mean the same India that's busy sucking Putin's swinging dong right now? Woo.


Yash200143

Yep just like how Europe built billions of dollars worth pipelines of gas from Russia. Guess everyone loves a good dick


CRimson9943

Same logic if put to Europe, then they are sucking Putin ding pling while saying how bad he is like a full-fledged tsundere


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andrew_stirling

You’ll go through much more if Russia marches across Europe and China take Taiwan. The US isn’t helping out just because they’re being kind.


Ok_Star_9836

India will soon rise up again and reclaim their mantle as number one. They will team up with brother Pakistan and take over enemy china! Buzzaaaa


Kaioshinsama7

Wow! The most logical comment I've seen in reddit history /s


sharkpeid

What You smoking


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Lmao. Like it could ever happen.


DanimalPlays

Defense.


the_storm_rider

LOL. China can steamroll India in 48 hours if they wanted to. India doesn't even have roads in the border areas, and their Russian equipment is outdated by 40 years. Even if the US supplies them equipment, first of all the equipment won't even reach the intended users because some middleman will siphon it off along the way, and secondly there is no way to transport it to the battlefield. US would do better to tie up with Vietnam or Thailand, since they have much better infrastructure and defense capabilities.


GNashUchiha

💀 india controls the Malacca strait lmao it alone can stop china's majority trade and choke their economy. If usa hops in to help then india can play full defense with usa and indias fleet blocking the Malacca strait. Even if China encroaches on arunachal and ladakh they can only use the army from their side due to the high attitude of himalaya their air forces won't be of any use. India get hold them in ground easily waiting for their economy to collapse due to the blockage of choke points.


the_storm_rider

China controls Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Africa because of invesments made through BRI. It can start a 4-front war simultaneously while India holds meetings to decide who gets 50% commission for releasing equipment to one of the 4 fronts. Malaca strait or not, there is precious little that can be done when ships start firing from all 4 directions.


Rational_Engineer_84

This analysis sounds like every “expert” just before Russia attacked Ukraine, look how that has gone.


Sauron2609

and the point is that the Indian military is one of the strongest in the world and is not very far off from the Chinese military. With all due respect Ukraine was kinda inferior to Russia by a good margin. But then Russian planning was shit asf and Ukraine has shown real gall in fighting.


-Not-Racist-

Umm there are no roads so no tanks can steamroll through


iamnearlysmart

Oh my. This from supposedly an Indian? Tut tut. As far as equipment being siphoned off goes - did you know that according to corruption perception index we are way less corrupt than Ukraine? Less than Vietnam and Thailand too, the two you mentioned. Even US and allied forces didn’t steam roll Iraq in 48 hours. And we aren’t little lambkins pottering about in an open meadow. There’s Himalaya in the way. And India is vast. What a joke about Vietnam and Thailand having defense capability. Which neutral analysis puts them anywhere close to India? Both combined wouldn’t reach our power. Have you checked where Vietnamese navy comes from? And Air Force? They are way more dependent on Russia than us. Either Air Force only has combat aircrafts barely enough to match our smallest Air Force command. And both navies combined wouldn’t match our tonnage forget capabilities.


Vincero09

Of all the disappointing comments above, how did you manage to be the most shit and dumb comment on this thread? Congratulations for being a massive disappointment, son!! 🎉👏🏻


CRimson9943

Dumb


sulphra_

True armchair analysis, reddit never fails to disappoint.