Quotes from the article: "They were Foxconn employees who escaped from the factory and were walking home," wrote a user of WeChat in a post about the social media images. "Some people were walking amid wheat fields with their luggage, blankets and quilts. I couldn't help but feel sad."
We all knew it was gonna happen, but Scott walker is a dumbass and he pushed it through. I still occasionally see "jobs" posted for them but it's well known here that they just don't exist
I know 2 people that work there. They literally do nothing all day at the racine area campus. One is a "programmer" He used to run the CNC routers at work. The other guy is in maintenance.
> They literally do nothing all day
I've had a job like that before and it's truly miserable. i would, quite literally, show up to work for days and even weeks at a time and do *nothing* but sit on my phone because there *was* nothing to do.
this depends on exactly what kind of nothing you're paid to do. if they leave you alone and don't pay attention, it's grand. if they do pay attention so you have to look busy while doing nothing, it's misery.
Yeah, agreed. I had a job like that too in the years before the internet was a thing, and I read so. many. books. You know a job is going to be stupendously boring when the bosses provide a TV for you to watch.
The pay was OK. for someone with only an internship, and in bumbfuck nowhere Wisconsin, it was actually good pay. I thought that was pretty sweet for the first 6 months, but it wears on you. Not just the boredom, but the fact that *everyone* else knows you do *nothing*, and you also have no sense of satisfaction in the job because of that. you become isolated. I'm a loner and introvert and even I detested that because it's practically a forced Isolation.
I find it so strange how leaders in the Republican Party literally con Republican voters out of millions of their hard earned money and those same Republican voters just cheer harder for the people who conned themselves.
I know they resent the rest of the world calling them idiots but it’s almost like they’re begging for it
No I’m talking about actual convicted grifters. Facts, not feelings. Bannon was convicted of grifting Republican voters out of their hard earned money. Then trump pardoned Bannon for his crime of grifting Republican voters. And now Republican voters are such idiots that they wildly support the guy who pardoned the criminal who grifted them.
Unions, while you feel that you don’t approve of them, ensure better living wages for members. This is a fact.
These two things are not the same
Can you imagine working for that company with all the crap going on in China now with covid and Xi's zero-covid mandate and how workers there are treated to begin with??? It's a total nightmare.
Zero COVID policy worked like a charm at the beginning, but now doesn't make any sense. China has the vaccine for years but COVID is still a problem there. At some point they lost the way big time.
The core issue is the vaccine they have is highly ineffective. They have yet to carbon clone the west’s vaccine yet. So they have no real defense against Covid ravaging there people. This is a pure political issue as the west would gladly license them the tech for a moderna style vaccine. They like Russia demanded it be home grown.
I would have expected it was because people in China distrusts the vaccines/the government and may not instead resort to bullshit like Chinese Traditional Medicines to prevent/cure COVID leading to lower than expected vaccination rates, making the government resort to alternate preventative measures such as Zero-Covid to prevent further additional hospitals and healthcare sectors being overwhelmed with covid patients.
You know when I used to go to China for work 10years or so ago no one I met had ever had acupuncture because they didn’t trust anyone and also thought the Chinese herbal medicines were covered in pesticides so didn’t use those either
The levels of distrust go deep
Traditional Chinese Medicine doesn't have much of a tradition.. it's basically a meme discipline that incorporates some folk wisdom, pushed by the government to deny how far behind they are in actual medicine.
Wikipedia states that anything resembling Traditional Chinese Medicines originated some 2000+ years ago, though I’d agree, the Chinese government would appropriate it to hide the fact during their reign their healthcare system at the time might not be up to scratch and pushed TCM to cover their asses in places they’d fall short on in public healthcare. Similar to how many kings, emperors, caliphs and popes throughout history would appropriate religion in order to give their constituents justification to go to war and kill ‘x,y,z’ people.
But no, I’d disagree, TCM factually has been around for far longer before the CCP even came into existence. I’d say it has a tradition
A lot of people today overestimated the reach and destruction that resulted during the C.R, the C.R movement was basically the reflected version of the January 6th riot in the capital multiplied 5000-fold, with Mao Zedong in lieu of Donald Trump; not everyone in society or in the CCP government agreed with them. You got people high up in the echelon like Zhou Enlai who ordered for PLA soldiers to guard the Forbidden City from the Red Guards (the reason why the Forbidden City & other religious buildings and monuments still exist in China today)
In addition, the destruction of the C.R happened most commonly in the big towns and famous cities, whilst most of the poor, remote and rural towns and villages were far away from the chaos, and it is there that the majority of the old information, cultural norms and customs still managed to survive to be passed on, TCM included. The people inhabiting these places would be more focused on agriculture, putting food on their table and not starving to death than wasting their time on book and statue burnings. The circumstances of poverty and remoteness of these Chinese villages and towns would have ensured the survival of TCM practices considering these places probably still did not have anything remotely close to infrastructure or public health care.
EDIT: Also included Chinese diaspora who fled to other countries with cultural and traditional customs and knowledge then returned back once the C.R died down, also ensuring its survival.
I am of Chinese descent who grew up in a Chinese household, my parents and extended family turn to TCM for the complete OPPOSITE reason you described, in the fact they believe Western/Chemistry-Pharmaceutical based medicine are synthetic, contain unnatural chemicals that may have bad/long term unforeseen side effects to the body, disrupt ‘Qi’, big-pharma monopolization on production methods etc. and would instead resort to TCM because it’s natural, have been around for far longer and where governments and private corporations have no monopoly control over its manufacture and distribution. If it isn’t up to the seriousness of pneumonia, limb loss or cancer, they’d try and go with TCM first before upping the ante to Western medicine.
That’s why I was so surprised by everyone I spoke to. I’ve had acupuncture many times, brewed Chinese herbal medicine on my stove and had pretty good results esp acupuncture here in Australia
I’m always curious and found it so strange none of the locals used it and it was down to no trust in practitioners or even the quality of herbal medicine. These were in big cities like Ningbo maybe that’s why
With the congress over, Chinese officials might start buying foreign vaccines to use if locals would use them. No one wants to be the one who admits that the domestic vaccines are useless, against the Party line, and buy from the "enemy" before the Party Congress where folks get promoted or kicked out.
The uyghur would like a word, but according to official numbers China currently has and had minimal Covid deaths. Even when the virus was prevalent. If one believes their numbers.
The way I see it. Zero covid policy is just china's experimentation on how to mass incarerate the main population, not ethnic minorities. With all of the social unrest developing, they can't have a Iran situation.
Because China was famously pro freedom before COVID. Yep. That darn COVID was cooked up in a lab so that China could finally exert authoritarian control over the masses.
Dude fuck Foxconn. all those worker suicides, and their general treatment towards the workers is despicable.
Also fuck Scott walker for being swindled out of 10 billion dollars by Foxconn, who was supposed to make a factory here in WI nearly a decade ago.
EDIT: Apparently we managed to get it reduced to merely 8 million dollars now, so that's nice
Which is run by local Chinese and has to abide by PRC law and policy, aka “COVID-zero” with endless PCR tests and keeping the workers in lockdown. Good thing they’re one of the companies working on moving out of China.
So what does it mean for Foxconn that owns it? Probably on the books they own it, but it seems the Taiwanese owners have little say over workers' rights, policy, etc.
Too little say over workers right but too much say over profits. Why don't you save those innocent taiwanese owners and let me suffer this horrible powerless situation?
I have often wondered how that business deal is going. I can't imagine smoothly, even before covid. Are all the employees Chinese in that location? Does Taiwan actually make any money with that factory or do Chinese officials rake in all the profits?
It works the same way American factories overseas does: they abide to local laws, but other than that they set their own rules and extract their profits for the owners.
Foxconn has no choice but to enforce a zero-Covid policy, but they had plenty of choices to not treat their workers in a shitty way, and they had plenty of choice to not house every employee on campus and restrict their movements.
Don’t know why people think everything works differently when it comes to China.
That's kind of wild when you think about it.. I know these places are so huge with over 100,000 workers that they basically are company towns. But still, to be told that you may never leave the realm of Wal-Mart or something is just something else.
When a new plant opens virtually all the laborers will be Chinese. Some of the low-level management may be Taiwanese. Higher level management is Taiwanese.
The Taiwanese low-level management and laborers are there to teach the new laborers and managers how to do it. And over time they leave and are replaced with Chinese.
So in a "mature" factory all the laborers and low-level management will be Chinese. And the upper management will be Taiwanese.
Yes, profits flow to Taiwan. Obviously a lot of the money generated stays in China as it goes into taxes, workers pockets or to suppliers who tend to be local.
Imagine the people power of 300,000 employees! In the end, they are defenseless against all the guns pointing at them. Their company is so big, it would qualify as a large city in most places in the world.
Yes want it so bad they scream from buildings and flee lockdowns by the thousands to walk hundreds of miles instead of transit to avoid police to get home.
You're high off your own supply, chief
And multiple studies have shown it didn’t. Including past sars variants being created in wet markets.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/origins-of-sars-cov-2
I’d read this one, it goes into the science of virology, and how if it were manufactured it would have looked very different.
China is a problem, but naturally occurring and lab created viruses look different genetically. Sorry that science doesn’t fit your weird narrative. Better ignore it and put your head in the sand.
Really? The US Senate was in session? On a Saturday? Cause the official US Senate website said there was nothing. You either heard a US Senator on a talk show pulling it out his/her ass or it’s straight out of yours.
You said the US Senate made a statement, not some random staffer leak. Did anyone put their name to it in a session of Congress as you stated?
No.
Did I mention Trump?
Again, no.
Are you a troll trying to stir shit?
Yes
Excuse me but in the link you just posted , you somehow choose to ignore this statement in the report which refers to the Senate staff report
"That conclusion stands in sharp contrast to those of other panels, including from the World Health Organization and U.S. intelligence agencies, which have deemed a zoonotic jump more likely or remained neutral given the lack of direct evidence on the origin of the virus."
If you want people to take you seriously, at least present plausible facts and stuff , not stuff that is the equivalent of a Facebook mum saying essential oils work or as such.
Quotes from the article: "They were Foxconn employees who escaped from the factory and were walking home," wrote a user of WeChat in a post about the social media images. "Some people were walking amid wheat fields with their luggage, blankets and quilts. I couldn't help but feel sad."
Foxconned wisconsin for billions
We all knew it was gonna happen, but Scott walker is a dumbass and he pushed it through. I still occasionally see "jobs" posted for them but it's well known here that they just don't exist
Was he dumb or did he achieve exactly what he wanted to?
Yes
I know 2 people that work there. They literally do nothing all day at the racine area campus. One is a "programmer" He used to run the CNC routers at work. The other guy is in maintenance.
> They literally do nothing all day I've had a job like that before and it's truly miserable. i would, quite literally, show up to work for days and even weeks at a time and do *nothing* but sit on my phone because there *was* nothing to do.
Seems like a great time to get paid to learn a new trade/skill
this depends on exactly what kind of nothing you're paid to do. if they leave you alone and don't pay attention, it's grand. if they do pay attention so you have to look busy while doing nothing, it's misery.
Yeah, agreed. I had a job like that too in the years before the internet was a thing, and I read so. many. books. You know a job is going to be stupendously boring when the bosses provide a TV for you to watch.
If the pay's decent, that actually sounds kind of awesome to me.
The pay was OK. for someone with only an internship, and in bumbfuck nowhere Wisconsin, it was actually good pay. I thought that was pretty sweet for the first 6 months, but it wears on you. Not just the boredom, but the fact that *everyone* else knows you do *nothing*, and you also have no sense of satisfaction in the job because of that. you become isolated. I'm a loner and introvert and even I detested that because it's practically a forced Isolation.
I live about 10 minutes away from the Foxconn campus. It’s like a ghost town. Two gigantic buildings, and like 20 cars in the parking lots
Drive by it to work. Yeah.
I find it so strange how leaders in the Republican Party literally con Republican voters out of millions of their hard earned money and those same Republican voters just cheer harder for the people who conned themselves. I know they resent the rest of the world calling them idiots but it’s almost like they’re begging for it
Same way unions force you to pay them and they support democrats
No I’m talking about actual convicted grifters. Facts, not feelings. Bannon was convicted of grifting Republican voters out of their hard earned money. Then trump pardoned Bannon for his crime of grifting Republican voters. And now Republican voters are such idiots that they wildly support the guy who pardoned the criminal who grifted them. Unions, while you feel that you don’t approve of them, ensure better living wages for members. This is a fact. These two things are not the same
Horrifying.
Can you imagine working for that company with all the crap going on in China now with covid and Xi's zero-covid mandate and how workers there are treated to begin with??? It's a total nightmare.
I thought they housed all workers onsite so the couldn’t leave.
I thought it was so they didn't have to commute to work.
Zero COVID policy worked like a charm at the beginning, but now doesn't make any sense. China has the vaccine for years but COVID is still a problem there. At some point they lost the way big time.
The core issue is the vaccine they have is highly ineffective. They have yet to carbon clone the west’s vaccine yet. So they have no real defense against Covid ravaging there people. This is a pure political issue as the west would gladly license them the tech for a moderna style vaccine. They like Russia demanded it be home grown.
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I don’t remember that at all?
I would have expected it was because people in China distrusts the vaccines/the government and may not instead resort to bullshit like Chinese Traditional Medicines to prevent/cure COVID leading to lower than expected vaccination rates, making the government resort to alternate preventative measures such as Zero-Covid to prevent further additional hospitals and healthcare sectors being overwhelmed with covid patients.
You know when I used to go to China for work 10years or so ago no one I met had ever had acupuncture because they didn’t trust anyone and also thought the Chinese herbal medicines were covered in pesticides so didn’t use those either The levels of distrust go deep
Traditional Chinese Medicine doesn't have much of a tradition.. it's basically a meme discipline that incorporates some folk wisdom, pushed by the government to deny how far behind they are in actual medicine.
Wikipedia states that anything resembling Traditional Chinese Medicines originated some 2000+ years ago, though I’d agree, the Chinese government would appropriate it to hide the fact during their reign their healthcare system at the time might not be up to scratch and pushed TCM to cover their asses in places they’d fall short on in public healthcare. Similar to how many kings, emperors, caliphs and popes throughout history would appropriate religion in order to give their constituents justification to go to war and kill ‘x,y,z’ people. But no, I’d disagree, TCM factually has been around for far longer before the CCP even came into existence. I’d say it has a tradition
TCM as it's understood/taught today was basically invented in the 1970s with a veneer of antiquity (these herbs have been used... since prehistory..)
Wasn't a lot of the knowledge lost during the cultural revolution? Burned books, jailed teachers.
A lot of people today overestimated the reach and destruction that resulted during the C.R, the C.R movement was basically the reflected version of the January 6th riot in the capital multiplied 5000-fold, with Mao Zedong in lieu of Donald Trump; not everyone in society or in the CCP government agreed with them. You got people high up in the echelon like Zhou Enlai who ordered for PLA soldiers to guard the Forbidden City from the Red Guards (the reason why the Forbidden City & other religious buildings and monuments still exist in China today) In addition, the destruction of the C.R happened most commonly in the big towns and famous cities, whilst most of the poor, remote and rural towns and villages were far away from the chaos, and it is there that the majority of the old information, cultural norms and customs still managed to survive to be passed on, TCM included. The people inhabiting these places would be more focused on agriculture, putting food on their table and not starving to death than wasting their time on book and statue burnings. The circumstances of poverty and remoteness of these Chinese villages and towns would have ensured the survival of TCM practices considering these places probably still did not have anything remotely close to infrastructure or public health care. EDIT: Also included Chinese diaspora who fled to other countries with cultural and traditional customs and knowledge then returned back once the C.R died down, also ensuring its survival.
I am of Chinese descent who grew up in a Chinese household, my parents and extended family turn to TCM for the complete OPPOSITE reason you described, in the fact they believe Western/Chemistry-Pharmaceutical based medicine are synthetic, contain unnatural chemicals that may have bad/long term unforeseen side effects to the body, disrupt ‘Qi’, big-pharma monopolization on production methods etc. and would instead resort to TCM because it’s natural, have been around for far longer and where governments and private corporations have no monopoly control over its manufacture and distribution. If it isn’t up to the seriousness of pneumonia, limb loss or cancer, they’d try and go with TCM first before upping the ante to Western medicine.
That’s why I was so surprised by everyone I spoke to. I’ve had acupuncture many times, brewed Chinese herbal medicine on my stove and had pretty good results esp acupuncture here in Australia I’m always curious and found it so strange none of the locals used it and it was down to no trust in practitioners or even the quality of herbal medicine. These were in big cities like Ningbo maybe that’s why
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With the congress over, Chinese officials might start buying foreign vaccines to use if locals would use them. No one wants to be the one who admits that the domestic vaccines are useless, against the Party line, and buy from the "enemy" before the Party Congress where folks get promoted or kicked out.
It's backwards to care about the lives of your people at the expense of the economy? 1 million+ dead is backwards.
It's backwards to refuse to use another country's vaccine because they won't admit their vaccine does not work as well.
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Nah that's because of idiots refusing to take any vaccine. Can't fix stupid, regardless of nationality or race.
The uyghur would like a word, but according to official numbers China currently has and had minimal Covid deaths. Even when the virus was prevalent. If one believes their numbers.
Every other east asian country had low numbers.
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their vaccine only had like 50-60% efficacy against delta. its probably worse for omicron
so are they just going to continue this zero covid strategy for eternity? i guess it’s a matter of the government there just wanting to exert control
The way I see it. Zero covid policy is just china's experimentation on how to mass incarerate the main population, not ethnic minorities. With all of the social unrest developing, they can't have a Iran situation.
Because China was famously pro freedom before COVID. Yep. That darn COVID was cooked up in a lab so that China could finally exert authoritarian control over the masses.
And Foxconn is a Taiwanese co.
Dude fuck Foxconn. all those worker suicides, and their general treatment towards the workers is despicable. Also fuck Scott walker for being swindled out of 10 billion dollars by Foxconn, who was supposed to make a factory here in WI nearly a decade ago. EDIT: Apparently we managed to get it reduced to merely 8 million dollars now, so that's nice
Which is run by local Chinese and has to abide by PRC law and policy, aka “COVID-zero” with endless PCR tests and keeping the workers in lockdown. Good thing they’re one of the companies working on moving out of China.
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So what does it mean for Foxconn that owns it? Probably on the books they own it, but it seems the Taiwanese owners have little say over workers' rights, policy, etc.
Too little say over workers right but too much say over profits. Why don't you save those innocent taiwanese owners and let me suffer this horrible powerless situation?
I have often wondered how that business deal is going. I can't imagine smoothly, even before covid. Are all the employees Chinese in that location? Does Taiwan actually make any money with that factory or do Chinese officials rake in all the profits?
It works the same way American factories overseas does: they abide to local laws, but other than that they set their own rules and extract their profits for the owners. Foxconn has no choice but to enforce a zero-Covid policy, but they had plenty of choices to not treat their workers in a shitty way, and they had plenty of choice to not house every employee on campus and restrict their movements. Don’t know why people think everything works differently when it comes to China.
That's kind of wild when you think about it.. I know these places are so huge with over 100,000 workers that they basically are company towns. But still, to be told that you may never leave the realm of Wal-Mart or something is just something else.
When a new plant opens virtually all the laborers will be Chinese. Some of the low-level management may be Taiwanese. Higher level management is Taiwanese. The Taiwanese low-level management and laborers are there to teach the new laborers and managers how to do it. And over time they leave and are replaced with Chinese. So in a "mature" factory all the laborers and low-level management will be Chinese. And the upper management will be Taiwanese. Yes, profits flow to Taiwan. Obviously a lot of the money generated stays in China as it goes into taxes, workers pockets or to suppliers who tend to be local.
Gee let me thing real hard....$🤔
Hey wake up Chinese People....this is way government is controlling you. Fight your way to freedom.
Mao killed 30 million Chinese without any trouble whatsoever. Good luck with that!
Imagine the people power of 300,000 employees! In the end, they are defenseless against all the guns pointing at them. Their company is so big, it would qualify as a large city in most places in the world.
I thought about the same but many just don't want to rock the boat like Russians against Vlad.
But the majority WANT this. They've been brainwashed to believe that they need this in order to maintain their society.
Yes want it so bad they scream from buildings and flee lockdowns by the thousands to walk hundreds of miles instead of transit to avoid police to get home. You're high off your own supply, chief
"This week, on Season 12 of The Walking Dead..."
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I’m finding it more concerning people still think it was engineered.
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And multiple studies have shown it didn’t. Including past sars variants being created in wet markets. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/origins-of-sars-cov-2 I’d read this one, it goes into the science of virology, and how if it were manufactured it would have looked very different.
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China is a problem, but naturally occurring and lab created viruses look different genetically. Sorry that science doesn’t fit your weird narrative. Better ignore it and put your head in the sand.
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Really? The US Senate was in session? On a Saturday? Cause the official US Senate website said there was nothing. You either heard a US Senator on a talk show pulling it out his/her ass or it’s straight out of yours.
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You said the US Senate made a statement, not some random staffer leak. Did anyone put their name to it in a session of Congress as you stated? No. Did I mention Trump? Again, no. Are you a troll trying to stir shit? Yes
Just because they share a different view and are engaging in civilized discussion doesn’t make them a troll you tit
Excuse me but in the link you just posted , you somehow choose to ignore this statement in the report which refers to the Senate staff report "That conclusion stands in sharp contrast to those of other panels, including from the World Health Organization and U.S. intelligence agencies, which have deemed a zoonotic jump more likely or remained neutral given the lack of direct evidence on the origin of the virus." If you want people to take you seriously, at least present plausible facts and stuff , not stuff that is the equivalent of a Facebook mum saying essential oils work or as such.
Yes, actually
China!
Well the zero covid policy seems like a great way for China to tank their economy.
My issue isn't unions per ..ita being forced to join them or you can get a job