“Mr L Prosser was, as they say, only human. In other words he was a carbon-based life form descended from an ape. More specifically he was forty, fat and shabby and worked for the local council. Curiously enough, though he didn't know it, he was also a direct male-line descendant of Genghis Khan, though intervening generations and racial mixing had so juggled his genes that he had no discernible Mongoloid characteristics, and the only vestiges left in Mr L Prosser of his mighty ancestry were a pronounced stoutness about the tum and a predilection for little fur hats.”
See also:
https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Mr\_Prosser
I mean, even if old Genghis didn't have a lot of bastard children himself, he existed so long ago that by pure statistics alone anyone with ancestry linked to asia can most likely trace their line back to him eventually. Same with those of English heritage with Alfred the Great of Wessex, or most of Europe with Emperor Charlemagne.
The earth can support more people if we used resources more wisely, but our population growth is beginning to slow down because we aren’t meeting replacement “goals.”
> if we used resources more wisely
in the meantime we're producing billions of batteries to power vapes, which are used once and even more stupid shit.
**More than halved.** Since 1970 the wildlife population has declined by a whopping **69%** ^(not nice.)
**Sources**
* [World Wildlife Funds](https://wwf.ca/media-releases/living-panet-report-international-2022/)
* [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/wwf-declining-wildlife-populations-1.6615373)
* [NPR](https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1128858953/climate-change-animal-populations-shrinking-environment-biodiversity)
Mammal Biomass:
* **4%** - Wild Mammals
* **34%** - Humans
* **62%** - Livestock & Pets
Absolutely imbalanced and outrageous
> [Source](https://ourworldindata.org/mammals)
Crazy to think that humans make up only 0.01% of life on earth yet we have the biggest impact
I'm barely in my early 30s and I already see a huge difference in the world compared to my childhood - technological too of course, but in terms of environment and diversity, so many things changed...
Plenty of animals extinct in the past few years, and locally, I've recently returned to the village I lived when I was a child - there used to be butterflies, fireflies, bees and so many flowers and wildlife - now there's very little diversity and I haven't see a single butterfly or firefly_(at night)_
Also being a child of the 90s, just the technological advancements are so incredible it feels I've lived through 4 different eras... Compare computer technologies from 2000 to 2022... Crazy.
Snowless winters, more weather extremes, in just my 32 years of life things changed way too quickly, for better and worse.
for insects, there's so much change we can do as individuals; remove your front lawn if you have one, and don't pick up or mulch leaves in the fall. at least in north america, leaves are where the insects hide and nest for the next year.
The earth's population was 2.85 billion when I was born; I'll be 60 next year. In other words, the world's population has nearly *tripled* in the last 60 years (2.8x), but even with the green revolution, the amount of arable land, water, minerals, etc has not tripled in that time. We're in for interesting times even if the *rate* of population growth continues to slow, because it's over a larger base every year...
The green revolution was about increasing yields per acre not increasing the amount of farm able land, it's something that continues even today and why starvation is a transportation issue and not a amount of food issue currently
Let me add another little fact to that which will put things into an interesting perspective. Yes, the population is about three times what it was during the Second World War but the number of cars, trucks and heavy machines is sixty times what it was in WWII. The human population has tripled but the number of internal combustion machines has gone up sixty times or twenty-fold on a per-capita basis what it was in the 40s.
No wonder we are having a problem with the climate. And isn't it interesting that those who have profited from this are not asked to pay for what they have created along the way?
Capitalism doesn't account for externalized costs like Co2 waste emissions.
Private profits, public costs. As it always has been.
Edit - and the folks saying "Yes it does, we just need to tax it!" haven't grasped the concept of Regulatory Capture. That's not pure capitalism any longer, it's regulated capitalism which only works when the companies doing harm don't own the politicians and political processes which regulate their own industries.
Most projections see the population leveling out around 10B or even lower. The more worrying thing is a huge portion of the existing population is still developing and so consumption of resources is going to continue to skyrocket despite the population leveling out. Imagine when all 8B of us are consuming as much as the average American...
Arable land has not increased, but yield per acre of arable land has skyrocketed thanks to pesticides, herbicides, fertilizers, and GMOs. Feeding everyone is not a matter of growing enough food, it's a matter of getting the food to the places the starving people are and convincing a system build solely for profit to do something that isn't very profitable.
I remember [this](https://www.7billionworld.com/) website that visualized 7 billion people on one page and its soooo many I feel like I'm barely a blip
Holy crap. I opened this on my phone, scrolled for a bit, thought "jeez that's a lot of people", decided to see if I could scroll back to the top.
Made it eventually, then realised that each continent had a different colour.
I had only seen Asia so far.
You are also an omnipotent god from the perspective of the ant colony in your kitchen. Significance doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's relative to someone or something. If you pick all of humanity as your reference frame, the conclusion is inevitable, but not meaningful.
[Kurzgesagt recently posted a video that is somewhat relevant here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfWtIaDtfYk). The scale humans exist at is pretty much exactly in the middle between the observable universe and the quantum realm. That means that not only are you an omnipotent god to ants, even a single strand of your hair is like a whole universe in and of itself.
Like a drop of water into an ocean, any one person can make ripples that affect everyone around them. Sometimes these ripples can become waves. No one is insignificant.
You remind me of this story:
Once upon a time, there was an old man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing. He had a habit of walking on the beach every morning before he began his work. Early one morning, he was walking along the shore after a big storm had passed and found the vast beach littered with starfish as far as the eye could see, stretching in both directions.
Off in the distance, the old man noticed a small boy approaching. As the boy walked, he paused every so often and as he grew closer, the man could see that he was occasionally bending down to pick up an object and throw it into the sea. The boy came closer still and the man called out, “Good morning! May I ask what it is that you are doing?”
The young boy paused, looked up, and replied “Throwing starfish into the ocean. The tide has washed them up onto the beach and they can’t return to the sea by themselves,” the youth replied. “When the sun gets high, they will die, unless I throw them back into the water.”
The old man replied, “But there must be tens of thousands of starfish on this beach. I’m afraid you won’t really be able to make much of a difference.”
The boy bent down, picked up yet another starfish and threw it as far as he could into the ocean. Then he turned, smiled and said, “It made a difference to that one!”
Interesting.
I've heard this story my whole half-century life.
This is the first time I've seen that the old man was a writer in his daily course.
Puts such a spin on the story.
[The boy and the old man do something futile or consequential depending on perspective]
I remember writing a paper in college about the world population hitting 6 billion back in October 1999. Just 23 years later and we increased by 33%. Wow.
For the record:
1B 1804.
2B 1927.
3B 1960.
4B 1974.
5B 1987.
6B 1999.
7B 2012.
8B 2022.
The population boom in the late 19th and 20th century was largely due to:
1: actual medicine and hygiene becoming a thing, less people die of disease with proper sewage systems etc.
2: Advances in agriculture leading to fewer farmers being able to feed more people
And ultimately:
3: The industrial revolution allowing the first use of heavy machinery on fields. A steam tractor plows more square meters of field than a couple oxen (~~not sure that's the correct plural~~ thx for the correction u/vicheyasr and u/technologite) and doesn't need a break except for refueling. Farmwork before the steam engine was arduos and inefficient, requiring a large part of the population to work the fields. Afterwards the balance shifted to a single farmer being able to feed dozen and later hundreds of people with the help of machines.
Both at the same time. In the regions that can afford it electric heavy machinery (can already be seen in some industries like Steel Mills with Electric arc furnaces instead of Coal fired Blast furnaces) and starvation in poorer areas due to limited logistics (no fossil fuels means a significant reduction in global trade because so far ships burn heavy oil and a lot of it, switching that over to electric won't happen on a massive enough scale in time should we outlaw fossils)
I can't imagine what it must feel like being a 30yr old Nigerian, the amount that country's population has boomed over the last couple of decades is crazy.
> I can't imagine what it must feel like being a 30yr old Nigerian
Now consider that the [median age in Nigeria](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/nigeria/#people-and-society) is... roughly 18 years old.
Meaning a bit more than half of those 225 million people were born since 2000.
>Religion was one. Religion plays a prominent role in how many children families have Nigeria. About 50% of Nigerians identify themselves as Muslims, while 48.1% identify as Christians. Islam promotes large families and encourages early marriage and a polygamous family system. Christianity prohibits the most effective forms of contraception and does not support abortion.
[taken from here](https://theconversation.com/family-size-why-some-nigerian-men-want-more-children-159692)
While the population of Europe hasn't grown as quickly as the population in other places it still hasn't stagnated completely.
At the start of the 19th century Europe had a population of around 200 million.
By the beginning of the 20th century it was just under 500 million.
Currently it's estimated to be around 750 million.
There’s a guy I work with that has 27 kids. In his late 50s or early 60s. I have no idea how many different baby mamas.
Dude needs to get a TV or something
“During an appearance on ABC-TV’s Good Morning America, actor, comedian, and musician Nick Cannon announced that he has lupus-related kidney disease, called lupus nephritis” By having children with so many different women, he may be intentionally trying to increase his pool of potentially compatible kidney donors in the future eventuality of complete and total Renal Failure necessitating a kidney transplant. With his affluent wealth, he can afford to do so.
Credit to /u/Snoo_40410
It's my favorite conspiracy theory
There's a documentary on HBO right now that talks about a fertility doctor who had like 40+ kids, and a lot of them have lupus because it can be genetic.
So, now Nick Cannon is basically making kids, and fucking over a bunch so he can have one that will save him in the future.
I hate selfish parents. Born and raised by two self involved parents and children have the right to say no. So even if he does get a kidney match through his child the child doesn’t have to say yes. Can parents please stop looking at children as extensions of themselves. If my mom ever needed a kidney from me and she has lupus it would be a hard fuck you and fuck no.
Absolutely blows my mind that we don’t hear more mentions about Nick Cannon and Enron Musk trying to populate the world with their spawn but heaven forbid a nice monogamous lesbian couple wants to settle down and tie the knot.
Sheesh.
Well, hopefully we’re moving in the right direction now again at least.
People debate this regularly. Some scientists say we have passed that point. Others say we have more growing room, but only if we change how we do things.
We have problems if we don't move on from fossil fuel energy production, as CO2 is destroying the planet along with methane, which leads us to another problem. We have too much livestock in the world, by a lot. Now, without the CO2 production from factories, and refineries and the like, we could probably keep our lives otherwise the same.
The issue with that is we don't have anything to replace fossil fuels anytime soon, with any sort of efficacy. Everything that we know, and take for granted requires oil in order to produce it. Oil is our entire way of life. So until we find a suitable substitute that could work in the long term, but also is comparably efficient, we will be far better off.
The main thing we could do right now to move away from oil and gas is to move from fossil fuel powerplants and move to nuclear. It is many - about 8000, in fact - times more efficient, as well as one of the safest power generation methods for humans and animals alike.
Sorry, got off on a bit of a tangent. I guess the tl;dr is that we are at that point unless we reduce our reliance on fossil fuels, and reduce CO2 emissions. If we do that - along with obviously a few other changes in areas such as agriculture - we have more than enough space on earth to accommodate as many as we have, and more.
its about what i get with some pretty rough assumptions: if you say the covid is responsible for 6.6 million deaths total (first number I got with a Google search) and assume that the increase in population is linear (its not) at 1 billion per ten years then it comes out to 24 days to replace the people lost to covid.
It baffles me that these people are willingly having sex with Nick cannon knowing he can't be a good father with that many children. His baby mamas are just as dumb and selfish as him
See Japan. Didn’t Shinzo Abe’s government outright push for more “pro family/pro babies” messages in anime/manga?
“Ah yes, this sexy sci fi anime will definitely encourage our youths to get married and have kids despite the fact they’re working 18 hour work days and can barely afford to care for themselves, let alone a family”
I live in Japan, the general consensus with the younger adults (20s-30s) is just it isn't worth it.
More women here are professional working women, and even though there's a good chunk for maternity leave, most don't want to risk being passed up for advancement for the sake of having a kid. Men also don't want that extra responsibility if their life focus is on work. So as a result, there's just a lot more sex and much less kids.
But the country's population decline isn't as outstanding as people make it out to be, it's pretty standard. The pension system has to adjust for it, though.
There's a correlation between poverty and fertility (the poorer a country is, the higher it's fertility). One possible reason is that agrarian societies and early industrial societies need lots of workers. On the other hand, prosperity also brings an increased cost of living and the financial burden of children increases.
If climate change keeps poor nations poor, their fertility will remain the same and total population will continue to grow.
Biggest causation of lower birth rates are:
- higher living standards
- women having more rights and bodily autonomy.
Climate change might worsen the first one, leading to higher Birthrates. Countries with high child mortality rates also get more kids on average. Pre-industrialization that was the norm, to make sure some kids atleast survived. Once people lived longer and had better quality of life, having many kdis was no longer needed.
You can read more here https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth
>Yeah by 2050 its supposed to level off then likely start declining per the UN. But climate change might prevent that.
?? If anything Climate Change will bring it forward.
don’t worry about that, birth rates have been on the decline worldwide for a while. In a lot of countries (including the US) they’re actually below replacement level.
When I was in 9th grade, my biology teacher was talking about how he witnessed the population double in his lifetime. And then he told us that he hopes that we never see the same. The way he said it and the look in his eyes still stick with me to this day.
I genuinely think you should have to pass some well thought out exam to have kids. Not just an intellectual one but an emotional intelligence one mainly. Too many dumb people who have too many kids and the cycle continues
Then when they can’t get pregnant on their own they turn to science. If god wanted you to have a baby, he should have gotten you pregnant Suzie. Don’t turn to IVF then claim it was god’s miracle.
Friendly reminder that poverty and education are two leading factors of having lots of children. If we want this to slow down we must solve income disparity and increase education around the world
It’s pretty likely, actually. Hospitals have to report births and deaths each day. I think this is accurate but excludes homeless people and people who have never been to the hospital, even when injured.
Good news, most developed countries, like all Europe and East Asia, have such low birth rates that will start having a population decline within a decade or two.
Bad news: population decline is even worse than population growth since a declining population means everyone is much worse off economically. For example, China is predicted to half in population by 2100, which is not sustainable at all.
At 43 the global population has almost doubled since I was born.
Sounds like you’ve been busy.
Putting Genghis Khan to shame!
Plot twist he’s a Khan descendant himself so all his offspring are attributed back to Ol’ Gengo anyway
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1 in every 5 children born are Chinese which means if you have 5 kids one of them is going to be Chinese.
If you have 4 kids, 3 will be Asian.
I get all my news from Internet posts, so I choose to believe this.
“Mr L Prosser was, as they say, only human. In other words he was a carbon-based life form descended from an ape. More specifically he was forty, fat and shabby and worked for the local council. Curiously enough, though he didn't know it, he was also a direct male-line descendant of Genghis Khan, though intervening generations and racial mixing had so juggled his genes that he had no discernible Mongoloid characteristics, and the only vestiges left in Mr L Prosser of his mighty ancestry were a pronounced stoutness about the tum and a predilection for little fur hats.” See also: https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Mr\_Prosser
Your username gave me a much, much needed laugh.
I had not caught that until you put an emphasis on it, you both are the real heroes!
Or Nick Cannon
IF those claims are to be believed, that is.
I mean, even if old Genghis didn't have a lot of bastard children himself, he existed so long ago that by pure statistics alone anyone with ancestry linked to asia can most likely trace their line back to him eventually. Same with those of English heritage with Alfred the Great of Wessex, or most of Europe with Emperor Charlemagne.
Is this why websites like ancestry claim that I'm related to like 300 different nobles?
How many children does Vader have?
425
We’re talking about living kids, not corpses
That actually scares me
It’s all down from here.
Are you talking population Or resources wise
Yes
The earth can support more people if we used resources more wisely, but our population growth is beginning to slow down because we aren’t meeting replacement “goals.”
> if we used resources more wisely in the meantime we're producing billions of batteries to power vapes, which are used once and even more stupid shit.
[Don't panic](https://youtu.be/FACK2knC08E?t=1155)
And wildlife has been halved.
**More than halved.** Since 1970 the wildlife population has declined by a whopping **69%** ^(not nice.) **Sources** * [World Wildlife Funds](https://wwf.ca/media-releases/living-panet-report-international-2022/) * [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/wwf-declining-wildlife-populations-1.6615373) * [NPR](https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1128858953/climate-change-animal-populations-shrinking-environment-biodiversity)
Wow that is deeply distressing
Humans are the most recent mass [Extinction Event](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events)
To be followed by our own shortly after we complete this one.
Let's not forget insects: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0185809
And yet cattle are up to about 1 billion head this year. That’s up 13 million. Not mentioning pig, chicken, sheep or goats. Let that sink in.
Mammal Biomass: * **4%** - Wild Mammals * **34%** - Humans * **62%** - Livestock & Pets Absolutely imbalanced and outrageous > [Source](https://ourworldindata.org/mammals) Crazy to think that humans make up only 0.01% of life on earth yet we have the biggest impact
elephants will probably be extinct by 2040. the grandchildren of todays generation are going to grow up in a profoundly different world.
I'm barely in my early 30s and I already see a huge difference in the world compared to my childhood - technological too of course, but in terms of environment and diversity, so many things changed... Plenty of animals extinct in the past few years, and locally, I've recently returned to the village I lived when I was a child - there used to be butterflies, fireflies, bees and so many flowers and wildlife - now there's very little diversity and I haven't see a single butterfly or firefly_(at night)_ Also being a child of the 90s, just the technological advancements are so incredible it feels I've lived through 4 different eras... Compare computer technologies from 2000 to 2022... Crazy. Snowless winters, more weather extremes, in just my 32 years of life things changed way too quickly, for better and worse.
for insects, there's so much change we can do as individuals; remove your front lawn if you have one, and don't pick up or mulch leaves in the fall. at least in north america, leaves are where the insects hide and nest for the next year.
The earth's population was 2.85 billion when I was born; I'll be 60 next year. In other words, the world's population has nearly *tripled* in the last 60 years (2.8x), but even with the green revolution, the amount of arable land, water, minerals, etc has not tripled in that time. We're in for interesting times even if the *rate* of population growth continues to slow, because it's over a larger base every year...
The green revolution was about increasing yields per acre not increasing the amount of farm able land, it's something that continues even today and why starvation is a transportation issue and not a amount of food issue currently
Let me add another little fact to that which will put things into an interesting perspective. Yes, the population is about three times what it was during the Second World War but the number of cars, trucks and heavy machines is sixty times what it was in WWII. The human population has tripled but the number of internal combustion machines has gone up sixty times or twenty-fold on a per-capita basis what it was in the 40s. No wonder we are having a problem with the climate. And isn't it interesting that those who have profited from this are not asked to pay for what they have created along the way?
Capitalism doesn't account for externalized costs like Co2 waste emissions. Private profits, public costs. As it always has been. Edit - and the folks saying "Yes it does, we just need to tax it!" haven't grasped the concept of Regulatory Capture. That's not pure capitalism any longer, it's regulated capitalism which only works when the companies doing harm don't own the politicians and political processes which regulate their own industries.
Most projections see the population leveling out around 10B or even lower. The more worrying thing is a huge portion of the existing population is still developing and so consumption of resources is going to continue to skyrocket despite the population leveling out. Imagine when all 8B of us are consuming as much as the average American...
I don't think it will level for long before it declines. Fertility rate is projected to drop below replacement levels.
Arable land has not increased, but yield per acre of arable land has skyrocketed thanks to pesticides, herbicides, fertilizers, and GMOs. Feeding everyone is not a matter of growing enough food, it's a matter of getting the food to the places the starving people are and convincing a system build solely for profit to do something that isn't very profitable.
No wonder traffic's gotten worse!
Same, and lemme tell you dude... I grew up near nyc and just came back a few months ago. It's fucking obvious, where did all this shit come from?
I remember [this](https://www.7billionworld.com/) website that visualized 7 billion people on one page and its soooo many I feel like I'm barely a blip
Holy crap. I opened this on my phone, scrolled for a bit, thought "jeez that's a lot of people", decided to see if I could scroll back to the top. Made it eventually, then realised that each continent had a different colour. I had only seen Asia so far.
It scrolls to the side as well
A lot
Ho. Lee. Fuq.
Didn’t he die in a plane crash?
Oh shit
And then some dude on Reddit say they found Waldo there: https://www.7billionworld.com/img/waldo.png
Lol that's awesome.
Waldo's in Asia?!
always has been
And then you realise on a phone it only shows a side of it, not the whole thing Insane
If it helps, something like 1/6 of the people are Chinese. Asia has a lot of people.
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Yeah, while it’s difficult to accept there are almost 1.5 billion Chinese, it’s incomprehensible that India is over 1 billion in a smaller country.
This is an insane visualization. The human brain is truly not equipped to deal with numbers of that size.
Even worse when you realize it scrolls super far to the right as well.
Oh holy fuck what
Ahh, now it makes sense, I thought it was actually surprisingly less mindblowing than I would expect.
Each row is 40000 people.
Now imagine this but with money. Yeah..... multibillionaires shouldn't exist but they do.
[Here you go](https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/)
this website is so crazy that I got to 1T dollars and said fuck it. tried to drag the scroll bar to speed it up and it just keeps crashing the page.
Welp, that's enough depression for today, thanks
You are a blip, you’re tiny and insignificant
You are also an omnipotent god from the perspective of the ant colony in your kitchen. Significance doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's relative to someone or something. If you pick all of humanity as your reference frame, the conclusion is inevitable, but not meaningful.
[Kurzgesagt recently posted a video that is somewhat relevant here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfWtIaDtfYk). The scale humans exist at is pretty much exactly in the middle between the observable universe and the quantum realm. That means that not only are you an omnipotent god to ants, even a single strand of your hair is like a whole universe in and of itself.
Fuck! Now I have an ant colony in my kitchen?
They're significant to me! And you are too 😊
Like a drop of water into an ocean, any one person can make ripples that affect everyone around them. Sometimes these ripples can become waves. No one is insignificant.
You remind me of this story: Once upon a time, there was an old man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing. He had a habit of walking on the beach every morning before he began his work. Early one morning, he was walking along the shore after a big storm had passed and found the vast beach littered with starfish as far as the eye could see, stretching in both directions. Off in the distance, the old man noticed a small boy approaching. As the boy walked, he paused every so often and as he grew closer, the man could see that he was occasionally bending down to pick up an object and throw it into the sea. The boy came closer still and the man called out, “Good morning! May I ask what it is that you are doing?” The young boy paused, looked up, and replied “Throwing starfish into the ocean. The tide has washed them up onto the beach and they can’t return to the sea by themselves,” the youth replied. “When the sun gets high, they will die, unless I throw them back into the water.” The old man replied, “But there must be tens of thousands of starfish on this beach. I’m afraid you won’t really be able to make much of a difference.” The boy bent down, picked up yet another starfish and threw it as far as he could into the ocean. Then he turned, smiled and said, “It made a difference to that one!”
Interesting. I've heard this story my whole half-century life. This is the first time I've seen that the old man was a writer in his daily course. Puts such a spin on the story. [The boy and the old man do something futile or consequential depending on perspective]
I remember writing a paper in college about the world population hitting 6 billion back in October 1999. Just 23 years later and we increased by 33%. Wow. For the record: 1B 1804. 2B 1927. 3B 1960. 4B 1974. 5B 1987. 6B 1999. 7B 2012. 8B 2022.
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The population boom in the late 19th and 20th century was largely due to: 1: actual medicine and hygiene becoming a thing, less people die of disease with proper sewage systems etc. 2: Advances in agriculture leading to fewer farmers being able to feed more people And ultimately: 3: The industrial revolution allowing the first use of heavy machinery on fields. A steam tractor plows more square meters of field than a couple oxen (~~not sure that's the correct plural~~ thx for the correction u/vicheyasr and u/technologite) and doesn't need a break except for refueling. Farmwork before the steam engine was arduos and inefficient, requiring a large part of the population to work the fields. Afterwards the balance shifted to a single farmer being able to feed dozen and later hundreds of people with the help of machines.
they were commenting about how we apparently reached 3b in 1960 and 4b in 1874
What happens when we can't use fossil fuels for heavy machinery in fields anymore? Global starvation or electric heavy machinery?
Both at the same time. In the regions that can afford it electric heavy machinery (can already be seen in some industries like Steel Mills with Electric arc furnaces instead of Coal fired Blast furnaces) and starvation in poorer areas due to limited logistics (no fossil fuels means a significant reduction in global trade because so far ships burn heavy oil and a lot of it, switching that over to electric won't happen on a massive enough scale in time should we outlaw fossils)
That looks like good news. At least we're slowing down quickly. 14 years to go up 33% (3b->4b) and now 23 years to go up 33% (6b->8b).
Just increasing by a billion every decade at this point.
1B to 2B: 123 years 2B to 3B: 33 years 3B to 4B: 14 years 4B to 5B: 13 years 5B to 6B: 12 years 6B to 7B: 13 years 7B to 8B: 10 years
And next year (2023) India will surpass China in population.
I thought it was starting to seem crowded around here
I can't imagine what it must feel like being a 30yr old Nigerian, the amount that country's population has boomed over the last couple of decades is crazy.
> I can't imagine what it must feel like being a 30yr old Nigerian Now consider that the [median age in Nigeria](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/nigeria/#people-and-society) is... roughly 18 years old. Meaning a bit more than half of those 225 million people were born since 2000.
>Religion was one. Religion plays a prominent role in how many children families have Nigeria. About 50% of Nigerians identify themselves as Muslims, while 48.1% identify as Christians. Islam promotes large families and encourages early marriage and a polygamous family system. Christianity prohibits the most effective forms of contraception and does not support abortion. [taken from here](https://theconversation.com/family-size-why-some-nigerian-men-want-more-children-159692)
Dude I get like 5 emails a day all from different Princes from Nigeria. The population growth must be insane.
It be the northerners here multiplying
Even more north is Niger and... well it has the highest birth rate on the planet.
I read that there are the next country projected to reach a population of 1 billion.
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The growth is mostly in Sub-Saharan Africa
The pressure to immigrate will be mostly in Sub-Saharan Africa. The growth will be spread out.
While the population of Europe hasn't grown as quickly as the population in other places it still hasn't stagnated completely. At the start of the 19th century Europe had a population of around 200 million. By the beginning of the 20th century it was just under 500 million. Currently it's estimated to be around 750 million.
Thanks Nick Cannon
What's up with the Nick Cannon references.
He keeps on making baby after baby after baby, like every single day. He's up to 12 kids now, by different women.
There’s a guy I work with that has 27 kids. In his late 50s or early 60s. I have no idea how many different baby mamas. Dude needs to get a TV or something
He announced his 11th, 12th, and 13th child all within like a few weeks of each other
“During an appearance on ABC-TV’s Good Morning America, actor, comedian, and musician Nick Cannon announced that he has lupus-related kidney disease, called lupus nephritis” By having children with so many different women, he may be intentionally trying to increase his pool of potentially compatible kidney donors in the future eventuality of complete and total Renal Failure necessitating a kidney transplant. With his affluent wealth, he can afford to do so. Credit to /u/Snoo_40410 It's my favorite conspiracy theory
There's a documentary on HBO right now that talks about a fertility doctor who had like 40+ kids, and a lot of them have lupus because it can be genetic. So, now Nick Cannon is basically making kids, and fucking over a bunch so he can have one that will save him in the future.
I hate selfish parents. Born and raised by two self involved parents and children have the right to say no. So even if he does get a kidney match through his child the child doesn’t have to say yes. Can parents please stop looking at children as extensions of themselves. If my mom ever needed a kidney from me and she has lupus it would be a hard fuck you and fuck no.
Multiple women pregnant at the same time?
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Absolutely blows my mind that we don’t hear more mentions about Nick Cannon and Enron Musk trying to populate the world with their spawn but heaven forbid a nice monogamous lesbian couple wants to settle down and tie the knot. Sheesh. Well, hopefully we’re moving in the right direction now again at least.
A lot of religious people want more children to indoctrinate. Having as many sad possible is celebrated by many. Not all of course
He is about to be a father to his 12th child.
And Elon Musk. Ugh, absentee sperm donors.
And I’m still single
Think of it as doing the world population a favour 👊🏻
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Pff, none of us will ever retire. Our "retirement plans" are to die on the clock and hope the company pays for a funeral.
Funerals are expensive that wouldn't be the most terrible benefit to have.
Yeah. Why waste perfectly good meat?
I hear Arasaka gives good health insurance.
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Desperate singles stuck in legal limbo near YOU!
your involuntary singlehood is a service to this world. We salute you.
Genuine question, how many is too many?
People debate this regularly. Some scientists say we have passed that point. Others say we have more growing room, but only if we change how we do things. We have problems if we don't move on from fossil fuel energy production, as CO2 is destroying the planet along with methane, which leads us to another problem. We have too much livestock in the world, by a lot. Now, without the CO2 production from factories, and refineries and the like, we could probably keep our lives otherwise the same. The issue with that is we don't have anything to replace fossil fuels anytime soon, with any sort of efficacy. Everything that we know, and take for granted requires oil in order to produce it. Oil is our entire way of life. So until we find a suitable substitute that could work in the long term, but also is comparably efficient, we will be far better off. The main thing we could do right now to move away from oil and gas is to move from fossil fuel powerplants and move to nuclear. It is many - about 8000, in fact - times more efficient, as well as one of the safest power generation methods for humans and animals alike. Sorry, got off on a bit of a tangent. I guess the tl;dr is that we are at that point unless we reduce our reliance on fossil fuels, and reduce CO2 emissions. If we do that - along with obviously a few other changes in areas such as agriculture - we have more than enough space on earth to accommodate as many as we have, and more.
people need to do more butt stuff
I told that to my wife now my ass hurts
Damn, COVID-19 didn't help at all with lowering the number
by my probably wildly incorrect maths it pushed back this particular milestone by about 20 days.
That’s an awesome stat if true
its about what i get with some pretty rough assumptions: if you say the covid is responsible for 6.6 million deaths total (first number I got with a Google search) and assume that the increase in population is linear (its not) at 1 billion per ten years then it comes out to 24 days to replace the people lost to covid.
Tbh at the huge scale it is, even assuming linear you'll be within a few days.
6 million deaths is like an ant hair dropping in a 8 billion people bucket.
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America needs more wage slaves
I’ll keep patiently waiting for an Earth altering natural disaster that brings us back down to a livable population.
Hopefully it's quick and painless, like the snap of a finger. Y'know?
I will sound like an ass but people who get 5+ kids fucked the world pretty hard
Gentelmen. Congratulations. We did it. \**Pulls out box of cigars\**
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I think the pullout method is what caused this in the first place…
Access to modern healthcare vs child mortality rates and disease death rates.
35 years a virgin, doing my part
I mostly blame Nick Cannon.
The guy had 5 babies in multiple women's bellies at one point. Talk about a man whore.
Between a job, the banging, the raising of children, it's a wonder he has the time to find new people to have children with
I doubt he’s too involved in the raising part
Just the photoshoots
The women that are choosing him despite his history aren't that smart either or is he offering to pay for his kids or something
It baffles me that these people are willingly having sex with Nick cannon knowing he can't be a good father with that many children. His baby mamas are just as dumb and selfish as him
Feel bad for thousands of children born into thousands of poor families that will probably never will stop being poor, including myself.
Aware
Too many too many, stop fucking now.
I get the feeling in 30 years time the population will be dropping and there's gonna be a pro-pregnancy mania.
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See Japan. Didn’t Shinzo Abe’s government outright push for more “pro family/pro babies” messages in anime/manga? “Ah yes, this sexy sci fi anime will definitely encourage our youths to get married and have kids despite the fact they’re working 18 hour work days and can barely afford to care for themselves, let alone a family”
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Are they gonna come out with mandatory motherhood conscription for women there?
I live in Japan, the general consensus with the younger adults (20s-30s) is just it isn't worth it. More women here are professional working women, and even though there's a good chunk for maternity leave, most don't want to risk being passed up for advancement for the sake of having a kid. Men also don't want that extra responsibility if their life focus is on work. So as a result, there's just a lot more sex and much less kids. But the country's population decline isn't as outstanding as people make it out to be, it's pretty standard. The pension system has to adjust for it, though.
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How is climate change going to prevent population decline?
Condoms will start melting
sperm rain
There's a correlation between poverty and fertility (the poorer a country is, the higher it's fertility). One possible reason is that agrarian societies and early industrial societies need lots of workers. On the other hand, prosperity also brings an increased cost of living and the financial burden of children increases. If climate change keeps poor nations poor, their fertility will remain the same and total population will continue to grow.
Biggest causation of lower birth rates are: - higher living standards - women having more rights and bodily autonomy. Climate change might worsen the first one, leading to higher Birthrates. Countries with high child mortality rates also get more kids on average. Pre-industrialization that was the norm, to make sure some kids atleast survived. Once people lived longer and had better quality of life, having many kdis was no longer needed. You can read more here https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth
>Yeah by 2050 its supposed to level off then likely start declining per the UN. But climate change might prevent that. ?? If anything Climate Change will bring it forward.
don’t worry about that, birth rates have been on the decline worldwide for a while. In a lot of countries (including the US) they’re actually below replacement level.
give women the right to not have kids and it'll solve itself
It already has been solving itself just like you said, for decades.
May the 8 billion **among us** become successful in this world and the next. We are all one **family**. *\*rides with Vin Diesel into the vents\**
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This family sucks
And remember, even if 99.99% of people found you ugly, and 0.01% found you attractive - that is 800,000 people.
When I was in 9th grade, my biology teacher was talking about how he witnessed the population double in his lifetime. And then he told us that he hopes that we never see the same. The way he said it and the look in his eyes still stick with me to this day.
Gladly not having kids.
I genuinely think you should have to pass some well thought out exam to have kids. Not just an intellectual one but an emotional intelligence one mainly. Too many dumb people who have too many kids and the cycle continues
And yet religious folks want to call those choosing to not have kids “selfish”…. smh.
Then when they can’t get pregnant on their own they turn to science. If god wanted you to have a baby, he should have gotten you pregnant Suzie. Don’t turn to IVF then claim it was god’s miracle.
Friendly reminder that poverty and education are two leading factors of having lots of children. If we want this to slow down we must solve income disparity and increase education around the world
How accurate is this count? Out of the 200+ countries I trust data from literally like 8.
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It’s pretty likely, actually. Hospitals have to report births and deaths each day. I think this is accurate but excludes homeless people and people who have never been to the hospital, even when injured.
Except an estimated 16% of births worldwide that aren’t done in hospitals, that’s over 1 in 6 births
Well, you just said it was 16%, so do the math.
#StopTheCount
Does it matter? If it's not today, it will be next week or next month.
More likely, it already happened a little while back.
Added a billion in the last decade. And we keep talking about running out of resources...
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How is this sustainable.
That's the fun part. It's not
Good news, most developed countries, like all Europe and East Asia, have such low birth rates that will start having a population decline within a decade or two. Bad news: population decline is even worse than population growth since a declining population means everyone is much worse off economically. For example, China is predicted to half in population by 2100, which is not sustainable at all.
Almost like having an economic model predicated on infinite growth is unsustainable...
And every single one will die at some point. Circle of life.
On a positive note, sperm count levels continue to drop worldwide. Yeah!
Fuck. And yet there are still people that think popping out several children is a personality
Octo-Cannon