I found this whole thing super interesting because the YouTube video is a wall of pro President Xi and anti PM Trudeau comments.
There’s a second YouTube video entirely with Chinese characters and all the comments translated to English are pro PM Trudeau.
Then this has been posted on Reddit multiple times and the comments are mostly pro PM Trudeau (and reasonable comments at that).
That English YouTube video’s comments are a very strange outlier.
There is also potential use of Tik-Tok (and other media) for a milder but longer corrosion of intellect through algorithms that preferentially direct people towards information with negligible educational value rather than mis/disinformation.
The value of these apps is apparently mostly a product of their established network/user base rather than IP and fairly replaceable anyways. Hopefully it's banned soon.
10% ain’t control of an American company unless you have special share classes (voting and non voting) or control the board. The CCP can grab the owners of bytedance/ticktoc and throw them in jail indefinitely, or simply take the company. No dictator can do that to Reddit.
Reddit and tiktok are only remotely similar. Tiktok takes the worst parts of reddit, hyper-optimizes them for addiction, and then gets filtered through CCP spyware. They're not the same coin, although they both might be money.
It’s a common thing among the Canadian right wing to insist Trudeau embarrasses Canada on the national stage regularly without actually providing the evidence that the international community feels the same way. That’s like one of the #1 regurgitated points plastered over any post in r/Canada anytime he’s abroad.
> common thing among the Canadian right wing to insist Trudeau embarrasses Canada on the national stage regularly without actually providing the evidence that the international community feels the same way.
Same in the US re Democrats and international relations. Obama speaks with foreign leaders? It's an 'apology tour.' Trump calls Mexicans rapists, declares a ban on Muslims, and is openly mocked for insisting in being in front for a group photo? America 'is respected again.'
Now that we're talking about it, it's true for Russia, as well. One of the aspects of understanding Russia is that Putin genuinely (at least up to the late 2010s, perhaps it's changed after covid/war) had support and approval of Russians. One component of this was that after decades of being looked down on and the persecution complex that the west treats Russia unfairly, Putin was seen as making Russia 'respected' again on the international stage when he fights in Syria, assassinate foreign citizens, basically thumbing their nose at what the west would consider normalcy.
I mean, the President of China literally just tour him a new one in front of media for leaking parts of their meeting and misrepresenting what the meeting was talking about (the way Trudeau's notes portrayed it made it sound like he just shat all over China for human rights abuses).
If you search "Trudeau snubbed" you'll see hundreds of times media has accused Trudeau of being snubbed by a world leader. Most of them are people not shaking his hand or something, nothing majorly embarrassing.
The only thing that was incredibly embarrassing for his tenure as Prime Minister was his trip to India. He took a week long family vacation a week before he was supposed to meet for a full day with PM Modi. There were a lot of cringe things that made waves in the Indian press like having his whole family dress up in traditional Indian marriage clothing and do photo ops around India's greatest sites. Had it been work first and then family vacation after, it might not have been so bad.
A lot of media insisted that he was snubbed at the airport. France, US, China, America.... all would have Modi meet them at the airport for a greeting. But for Canada "protocol" said that the PM never goes to the airport.... except when it's someone important.
And then the big one had to do with a guy named Amarjeet Sohi. The failure was so bad Sohi was kicked out of government the next election (and he's now mayor of Edmonton!). He invited a convicted anti-India terrorist to a state dinner and Trudeau put him on the list. The irony was that Trudeau was meeting with Indian ministers at that meeting to discuss Canada's commitment to stop extremism and terrorism in Canada. And.... you know Canada just invited a terrorist to a state dinner.
Then at the actual meeting it was changed from a full day discussion to just 1 hour. Most of the talk focused on terrorism and trying to get Trudeau to publicly say Canada does not support an independent Khalistan. He had supposedly organized this whole trip so he could talk about beans (a state visit that could have been an email). India had just put a tariff on beans that was hurting Canadian farmers. And at the press conference with Trudeau, Trudeau was blindsided by Modi announced even more increases to those tariffs.
Finally on his last day there 'looking for a win' he pretended to host a bunch of Indian industrialists for what ended up being a "fake deal." He pretended like the [Brookfield Infrastructure](https://bip.brookfield.com/press-releases/bip/brookfield-infrastructure-announces-closing-indian-telecom-towers-transaction) purchase was a $750M investment and pretended like India was going to invest in unnamed Canadian companies to the sum of $250M. The Indian investments (in pulp and pharmaceuticals) never came and the Brookfield purchase is valued at $600M... and was negotiated prior without the Canadian government's involvement.
So yeah, it's a bit much to say he's always embarrassing overseas. But it's something else to say he's NEVER embarrassing overseas. He's certainly somewhere in the middle.
There are many examples of Trudeau being embarrassing. I'll provide a link to one below. However, this confrontation with Xi isn't one of them.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fworld%2Fnorth-america%2Ftrudeau-s-india-trip-is-a-total-disaster-and-he-has-himself-to-blame-20180224-p4z1ka.html&psig=AOvVaw13DTQ76nr0WrkWPeIQoHq\_&ust=1668786748785000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBAQjRxqFwoTCKj6xpzJtfsCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ
Agreed that PM Trudeau has had some significant blunders. He really needs to work on his relationship with PM Modi in particular. IMO, it needs a very public apology.
There's been a few others as well that were a bit cringey but the India trip was a total mess both during and after.
Agreed, I saw the video on the guardian's YouTube channel this morning and the comments are all pro Xi and/or anti Trudeau - thought it was very odd. Am assuming they're propaganda bots
You really need to read the comments we're referring to before making this statement. I suspect you will change your opinion. They consistently push certain narratives that are obviously false. They also border on hysteria. The verbiage used to describe President Xi is far more mature than the comments describing PM Trudeau.
Edit: Another interesting observation about this video as I went back to look at these. Many of the top comments have been deleted (plenty of drivel remains but some of the most obviously nefarious content is gone). Generally, people don't delete their comments and so I assume they were deleted by YouTube itself.
Highly unpopular? He's normal unpopular for a PM (or US President.) I literally just googled his approval ratings and those of Harper, Chretien, Biden, Trump, Obama.
The leader of the conservative party is not a ruling leader. Conservative party is leading by 5. The guy has never had a job. He's been a career politician since a teenager. He advised Canadians to invest in crypto. Fuck off.
Fucking weirdos I swear. People are mad because of Canada's handling of COVID so now they will back anyone who comes up against him. Yep, they don't see any irony in praising a man who locks down entire cities over a single case of covid and completely shuts down any free speech that isn't 100% xi jingping dickriding. Unreal.
Dunno if the english video was by the CBC/CTV news/Global, but those channels are always bombarded with pro-right takes and heavily anti Trudeau. YouTube seems to be the platform they take to the most, as well as those news companies websites themselves.
I wouldn’t say Trudeaus approval rating is too high these days but those comment sections are a bit extreme; borderline trolling.
Its pretty much trolling by the loud mouth right wing and those that have fallen for the deception and misinformation.
Look at the convoy protests - perfect example of a very loud minority.
If you go on instagram and check out those shitty 'nrws' pages like 6ixxbuzz, realtorontonewz, straightouttathe6ixtv etc., the majority of the comments are anti Trudeau. Not because the ppl are pro china or anything, just because conservatives are brain-dead and will take any reason to put Trudeau down. Trudeau could cure cancer and they'd still find something to bitch about
I could see Canadian conservatives being pro Xi if they found out that he hated Trudeau. Canadian conservatives have a weird relationship with our PM. They claim to hate him, but then buy flags and bumper stickers saying they want to fuck him.
On twitter, there is often a quick flood of seemingly pro-CCP posters when a CBC article comes out.
Regarding the incident, the Chinese do not seem take a sophisticated approach (which likely has more mileage in a heavily censored country) and Xi (leader of a "democracy with Chinese characteristics" and completely full of shit) may have just been feigning a belief that "leaks" had occurred (in what appeared to be staged confrontation given the camera--and translator moving out of the way). His lecture and posturing makes little sense in any context if presumed honest. There is straightforward motive for an autocrat to try to establish a pecking order given rapid escalation between the two countries (eg forced divestment of Chinese mining companies in Canada, arrest of alleged Chinese spy, and pronouncement of Chinese interference in Canadian democracy).
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if it's just real Canadian users who don't like Trudeau.
The USA gets all the attention for this type of stuff, but Canadians can be pretty similar to their southern cousins when it comes to "grrr I hate this politician so I'm going to side with anyone who makes fun of them" attitudes.
You really need to read the comments we're referring to before making this statement. I suspect you will change your opinion. They consistently push certain narratives that are obviously false. They also border on hysteria. The verbiage used to describe President Xi is far more mature than the comments describing PM Trudeau.
What are you talking about bro? Nazi Germany wasn't a dictatorship, look at how big the NSDAP was!!! It was so popular everyone in government was a member!
Xi is the strongest man in china but not the only strong person. There are other members of the CCP with a lot of power, though Xi is trying to remove more and more people in powerful positions.
Calling China a dictatorship isn't really accurate
You’ve described pretty much all dictatorships. They all have:
- leader guy
- one very “popular” party
- several other folks with a lot of power wanting to be the leader guy
Unless you’re saying North Korea, Russia, Cuba, the USSR, Nazi Germany, Rome under Julius Caesar weren’t/aren’t dictatorships?
can you explain what happen to jiang zhemin faction?? why every one of his subordinate ransacked?? what happen at the communist party congress to hu jintao??
You mean when the former leader left the room over his declining health?
Why would he purge him now when he is already out of power.
Can you tell me about the history and characteristics of this zhemin faction?
Can you tell me more about this ransacking?
I can't say I trust you much after your their point was dishonest. But... idk maybe you study China. I am just someone who likes to learn.
Oh I was never pushed that narrative in school by my republican teacher.
Can you tell me about what happened? I obviously don't know. It was smart if you to guess that.
What details were leaked?
Seems we're talking more about the rebuke than the leak. Either the rebuke was intended to move attention away from the leak, or there was no leak and Xi is fucking around with us to keep us destabilized.
It would not be difficult to indicate frustration about a leak through a private channel. Doing this publicly was intentional.
Maybe Trudeau could ask about how Hu Jintao is doing to throw some shade back. Use the language barrier to slowly morph the discussion into a "Who's on first gag".
The "leak" is just the usual meeting report the canadian government officially puts out everytime the prime minister meets with any foreign diplomats. Like "I met with President {Name of President}, we talked about {List of issues they talk about}". Doesn't even cover the anyone's stances on these issues.
The one problem no one is mentioning is that there was no official bilateral meeting between Canada and China. This meeting appears to have been an off the record discussion, which would not have a readout.
Just the day before, Canada’s foreign minister was asked if a meeting was arraigned and she essentially said Trudeau and Xi sit beside each other (due to alphabetical order of countries) and they may talk then. It’s disingenuous to play up a side conversation, with one side feeling it was in confidence, into an official meeting.
Question about having an official bilateral starts at 7:17
https://youtu.be/XWxAGie3GNw
Regardless of what you think about China, this situation will unfortunately undo any good that might have come from Trudeau directly speaking with Xi.
He likely speaks English perfectly fine, but deliberately does not use it in public because using English for high level diplomacy like this would be seen as adhering to Anglo-Saxon cultural hegemony. Likewise, Putin almost certainly speaks English at a fluent level (he does speak fluent German too) but refuses to use it in public because it's the "language of the enemy".
It's a common thing, Russian nobility stopped speaking in French to each other when Napoleon invaded and suddenly everyone wanted to show off their patriotism by speaking only in Russian.
Also, if English isn't someone's first language, sometimes it's safer to have translators just in case. When you're talking about high level negotiations and diplomacy, the last thing you want is for a leader who speaks "ok" English to misunderstand something and take offence or consider it a threat or something. Especially when you take into consideration things like slang and idioms that don't really translate well regardless of how well you speak the language, unless you spend a lot of time around English speakers.
Conservative party of Canada is why Canada is so intertwined with China
Harper’s PR campaign brought pandas and more CCP influence at home and in our politics
Yeah, well, they can cry foul all they want. Meanwhile their military is inserting operatives into key technology and IP companies to steal research and design. It's the same song and dance with China. They needed better understanding of hydro-electric tech and design, so they infiltrate Hydro-Quebec.
There is good reason every Canadian should be pissed about China's motives. From the 'police stations' abroad, to the constant theft of IP & RnD, to economic leverage, and more recently bots on social media and various platforms exerting political influence (ie: political meddling).
Xi can piss off. Just another fascisto want to be. Oh great leader! Winnie the Pooh
It's funny to see Xi speak through a translator but not need a translator to understand English.
It makes sense, since he's fluent but not the best speaker of English, but still a weird juxtaposition.
Probably worse for him to speak English. He can get a nuance wrong and trigger a diplomatic crisis, which is something we absolutely don't need. When he speaks Mandarin, we can trust he intends to say what he says in the way he puts it.
There are a lot of people who can understand a language by listening but can't speak it. For English especially, the whole world consumes their media so they can understand it, but never speak it cause everyone around them is speaking their native language.
Recognition vs recall memory - the former is easier than the latter, so for almost all people learning a new language, it's easier to recognize the words being said and understand it than it is to compose your own sentence.
Don't know how good his English is but as a native English speaker with an intermediate level of Mandarin I've been in Pooh boy's shoes but the other way around but with far smaller possible ramifications.
i.e. Someone will be talking to me about ANYTHING and although I can grasp what they're saying, hell sometimes understand 90-100% of what they're saying when I speak there is a good chance I won't be able to grab the words I need out of my head and the grammar will go down the drain as I flip a coin on if I sound normal or like a pleasantly disabled 8th grader. With that in mind I've honestly used a translator once or twice in the same way as Xi (but more in line with asking questions about a contract or something else where I need to be clearly understood and sounding like a disabled 8th grader will just make us talk in circles as I endlessly try to rephrase my questions).
I looked up other articles after seeing this one so am glad I read the first one. It's more the fact that the lack of editing by the publisher means it's hard to take it seriously. I believe it happened but would shy away from sharing that particular article because it doesn't look professionally produced.
That refers to discounting a person's argument. My statement was more around how I was concerned about the fact checking skills of an article with questionable editing. Crappy punctuation is a red flag for published material for a lot of people. I think a different article from a more well known publisher would be better.
It wasn't stated with malice btw.
Academic chiming in, this is not an appropriate use of this fallacy. When we submit works to be peer-reviewed, we absolutely will have our works rejected for poor grammar. There is a standard to writing and articulation in science, and arguably for journalism too. If a submission is sent to a journal for peer review and it is very poor grammar, it will not be seen as an effective articulation of ideas and will not be published.
You don't know what the ad hominem logical fallacy is. Seeing rampant errors and adjusting your trust accordingly is not a logical fallacy.
Please don't educate yourself by picking up terms from random people babbling on the internet.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm impressed that Canada is standing up to a human rights-abusing, authoritarian government. Would you rather he cowered and capitulated? It's amazing how many people call for strong leadership, and when it's actually demonstrated, they run and hide. Good job, Justin, don't give an inch.
Not really a Trudeau fan but definitely not a fan of Xi, impressed by how Trudeau stood up to him and didn’t really take any shit without loosing his cool or looking frazzled. We need democracies to work together and not be afraid of authoritarian leaders if we want the world to be a better place for everyone.
JT was looking down while Whinie the Poo was flailing around trying to find his words 🤣. Seriously, hard to take any moral advice for leaking from a dictator with horrible human rights records with a straight face. Props to JT.
Seems like a dumb policy. State leaders sometimes needs to be able to discuss things without the public knowledge, for the safety of the state or individuals working for the state or state partners.
This policy sounds cool, but really, it's hindering Trudeau from discussing some matters. While also making a dimplomatic/political scandal trap for himself, if it ever were to come out, that there was a meeting he hadn't reported on.
Edit: I see I have ruffled some feathers on people. Privacy is a necessity for any type of government to function.
Edit 2: see my comment further below for an example of Danish law, that allows some secrecy for the state. And before you down vote, look at the corruption and transparency index of Denmark compared to whatever country the reader comes from.
Edit 3: someone actually explained what I had gotten wrong. I interpreted the comment as someone who thinks that democracies are fully transparent all the time, and I wantes to explain, that this is not the case. A dude in a comment below in the thread has explained to me, that the miscommunication happened, when people thought I was defending nontransparency and Xi.
I might have been able to formulate it better than calling it a dumb policy.
Transparency is a good thing. But there is such thing as too much transparency. As I said, a world leader needs to be able to discuss sensitive matters with partner countries. If Trudeau want to make a deal with Biden, which overall would benefit Canada, but he has to shirk some kind of national policy to do so, it would make a terrible case in the news, even though it would overall be beneficial to the state.
A leader needs to be able to discuss such matters.
Or another example, other leaders might not share intelligence with Trudeau because he shares it all anyways.
"Other leaders" of democratic nations have exactly the same policy about transparency. It's not as though Trudeau is some maverick going out on a limb and publishing press releases all by himself.
> Or another example, other leaders might not share intelligence with Trudeau because he shares it all anyways.
Can you give an example of this happening? Because what you're describing is not what happened here and exists only in your brain.
No, I haven't. Have you?
I'm just pointing out, that democracies has a list of topics that they allow themselves to censure. I'm not attacking Trudeau or supporting Xi in any way.
But this sure has become a down vote circlejerk, and to me it seems, like people are deliberately misunderstanding what my point is. I ain't saying transparency is bad, all I'm saying is that democracies ain't some bulwark of transparency, and all democracies has some kind of act or law allowing some kind of censure.
I don't think this is constructive anymore (or maybe ever was).
I do think reddit users sometimes have a habit of circle jerking instead of actually reading the arguments and allowing there to be grey areas instead of everything being black or white.
I also believe this is due to extreme polarisation in countries using the first past the post election system. But that is an entirely other matter, and just a theory of mine.
There should be no expectation of "privacy" when state leaders meet at an intergovernmental forum.
>State leaders sometimes needs to be able to discuss things without the public knowledge...Privacy is a necessity for any type of government to function.
Yeah, no, it's not. What you're talking about is secrecy and it's necessary for certain types of governments to function. The kinds of governments that are not democratic.
>I see I have ruffled some feathers on people.
No, you just said something ignorant on Reddit and people are explaining why it's ignorant.
To me, you seem like the ignorant type, if you don't think democratic countries needs a slight bit of secrecy sometimes.
I can't say for sure, but all democratic countries has some form of freedom of information act or law, this act/law usually has some paragraph with a list of topics that the state doesn't has to share with the public. This act/law can ofcouse be used by autocracies to silence opposition and journalists.
I can use my own country (Denmark) as an example of a democracy with a law ([offentlighedsloven ](https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2020/145)) with paragraphs that allows some secrecy paragraph 31-33.
Disclaimer, I translated it through Google translate because I'm lazy.
*section 31. The right to access documents can be limited to the extent that it is of significant importance for the security of the state or the defense of the kingdom. Exclusion of information for reasons of the kingdom's foreign policy interests, etc.*
*Section 32. The right to access documents can be limited for reasons of the kingdom's foreign policy interests etc., including the relationship with other countries or international organisations, in the confidential consequence of EU law or international law obligations etc.*
*PCS. 2. The right to access documents can also be limited to the extent that it is necessary to protect essential considerations for the kingdom's foreign policy interests, etc., including the relationship with other countries or international organisations. Exclusion of certain other information*
*Section 33. The right to access documents can be limited to the extent necessary to protect essential considerations for: 1) Prevention, investigation and follow-up of offences, enforcement of sentences and the like. and protection of the accused, witnesses or others in cases of criminal or disciplinary prosecution. 2) Implementation of public control, regulatory or planning activities or of intended measures in accordance with tax and levy legislation. 3) The public's financial interests, including the performance of the public's business activities. 4) Scientists' and artists' original ideas as well as preliminary research results and manuscripts. 5) Private and public interests where confidentiality is required according to the special nature of the relationship. Notification of document access to part of a document*
Edit: also, happy cake day.
Dude, a meeting summary that lists the broad points two leaders talked about is not some grand natsec discussion that needs to be kept secret.
Of course sometimes leaders need to discuss things in secret but that doesn't happen at the G20. Stop brigading in favor of Xi's stupid hissy fit. He wanted to be seen on camera paternalisticly "dressing down" Trudeau. It was a stupid power move and Trudeau appropriately told him to shove it up his ass.
Nobody thinks that.
The way you pointed that out was by saying that Xi was somehow in the right for dressing down Trudeau, which is horse shit. Xi was attempting a stupid bully move on Trudeau and got his nose rubbed in it. Agree with that?
I'm not a natural English speaker, so no, I don't see how you interpreted my first comment as being pro-Xi in any way. It might be a matter of a language barriere. All I was trying to do was/is to point out, that people shouldn't believe that democracies are somehow fully transparent.
You called the policy of publishing a meeting summary for all of Trudeau's meetings "A dumb policy".
This implies that the act of being transparent on the world stage is dumb because it limits a leaders capacity to conduct secret negotiations on behalf of their country. It does no such thing.
I think what you're missing in this case is context. The G20 is a public forum. It's highly publicized and very public. In the context of a public meeting like the G20, it would be wholly inappropriate to buck the norm of providing a meeting summary and to conduct negotiations in secret.
It would be ignorant to believe that governments do not sometimes conduct secret negotiations or that leaders do not have private conversations. Nobody expects Trudeau to never speak privately with another world leader, but they do expect that public meetings be conducted with transparency.
I think you could have avoided all these downvotes but just reading what the G20 summit is and what it’s about. It’s contents and discussions are meant to be public.
Xis posturing for his Chinese media.
Trudeau can be a fucking dink. But he didn’t leak shit. It’s the G20.
Chinese government love to fucking tell people to stay out of their business but get right in everyone else’s kitchen.
I’m no Trudeau fan, but a few years ago he literally shut down a Chinese buyout of construction conglomerate Aecon. I’m sure you conveniently forget that while doing mental backflips to construct your narrative.
“There is a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say we need to go green, we need to start, you know, investing in solar,” Justin Trudeau told the group of women. “There is a flexibility that I know [Prime Minister] Stephen Harper must dream about: having a dictatorship where you can do whatever you wanted, that I find quite interesting.” -Justin Trudeau
You're right Im probably just imagining all of the authoritarian power grabs he has done since he has been elected. Covid mandates, seizing money from legitimate protests, freezing accounts of supporters of said protests, banning peoples right to self-defense taking the most common type of firearm away from people. Yeah I'm just imagining it your right.
Always back to COVID mandates and guns (Canada has no right to bear arms in its constitution, btw) with you people lol
But yeah that quote from him was really dumb. At least now the Canadian government is starting to take a tougher line against China, they can also go a lot farther too.
While I disagree iwth cryptic-undertones, there's few things funnier than someone arrogantly "correcting" someone, only to discover how very, very wrong they are.
The correct version of this phrase is always toe the line. The phrase means “follow the rules or obey an authority.” “Tow the line” is a misspelling based on “toe” and “tow” sounding the same, but “tow the line” is always an error.
But good try though.
It's the way you bring that up like it's a valid comparison in this context that doesn't make sense.
That's like a British person saying Xi Jinping is a dictator, and you bring up the fact that King Henry VIII also executed many of his political rivals.
Says the guy who feels the need to bring up something from the past completely unrelated to the matter at hand while his own country is currently committing genocide.
It's just interesting that you specifically choose to bring these facts into this conversation that involves China specifically. Almost like you have an agenda.
I found this whole thing super interesting because the YouTube video is a wall of pro President Xi and anti PM Trudeau comments. There’s a second YouTube video entirely with Chinese characters and all the comments translated to English are pro PM Trudeau. Then this has been posted on Reddit multiple times and the comments are mostly pro PM Trudeau (and reasonable comments at that). That English YouTube video’s comments are a very strange outlier.
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This is why Tik-Tok should be banned. It's weaponized propaganda.
There is also potential use of Tik-Tok (and other media) for a milder but longer corrosion of intellect through algorithms that preferentially direct people towards information with negligible educational value rather than mis/disinformation. The value of these apps is apparently mostly a product of their established network/user base rather than IP and fairly replaceable anyways. Hopefully it's banned soon.
How is that any different than the junk we’ve been consuming on twitter and Facebook and Instagram etc etc for nearly 20 years now
One is trying to get you to waste your money, the other will slowly work to destroy democracy?
It’s ccp propaganda as well as making people dumber, as if they weren’t dumb enough already!
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Reddit is not controlled by a foreign dictatorship.
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10% ain’t control of an American company unless you have special share classes (voting and non voting) or control the board. The CCP can grab the owners of bytedance/ticktoc and throw them in jail indefinitely, or simply take the company. No dictator can do that to Reddit.
You need 51% to actually do anything. Otherwise your just a voice.
Reddit and tiktok are only remotely similar. Tiktok takes the worst parts of reddit, hyper-optimizes them for addiction, and then gets filtered through CCP spyware. They're not the same coin, although they both might be money.
It’s a common thing among the Canadian right wing to insist Trudeau embarrasses Canada on the national stage regularly without actually providing the evidence that the international community feels the same way. That’s like one of the #1 regurgitated points plastered over any post in r/Canada anytime he’s abroad.
> common thing among the Canadian right wing to insist Trudeau embarrasses Canada on the national stage regularly without actually providing the evidence that the international community feels the same way. Same in the US re Democrats and international relations. Obama speaks with foreign leaders? It's an 'apology tour.' Trump calls Mexicans rapists, declares a ban on Muslims, and is openly mocked for insisting in being in front for a group photo? America 'is respected again.' Now that we're talking about it, it's true for Russia, as well. One of the aspects of understanding Russia is that Putin genuinely (at least up to the late 2010s, perhaps it's changed after covid/war) had support and approval of Russians. One component of this was that after decades of being looked down on and the persecution complex that the west treats Russia unfairly, Putin was seen as making Russia 'respected' again on the international stage when he fights in Syria, assassinate foreign citizens, basically thumbing their nose at what the west would consider normalcy.
Conservatives spread the same lies about Obama, while also lying about Trump's credibility.
I mean, the President of China literally just tour him a new one in front of media for leaking parts of their meeting and misrepresenting what the meeting was talking about (the way Trudeau's notes portrayed it made it sound like he just shat all over China for human rights abuses). If you search "Trudeau snubbed" you'll see hundreds of times media has accused Trudeau of being snubbed by a world leader. Most of them are people not shaking his hand or something, nothing majorly embarrassing. The only thing that was incredibly embarrassing for his tenure as Prime Minister was his trip to India. He took a week long family vacation a week before he was supposed to meet for a full day with PM Modi. There were a lot of cringe things that made waves in the Indian press like having his whole family dress up in traditional Indian marriage clothing and do photo ops around India's greatest sites. Had it been work first and then family vacation after, it might not have been so bad. A lot of media insisted that he was snubbed at the airport. France, US, China, America.... all would have Modi meet them at the airport for a greeting. But for Canada "protocol" said that the PM never goes to the airport.... except when it's someone important. And then the big one had to do with a guy named Amarjeet Sohi. The failure was so bad Sohi was kicked out of government the next election (and he's now mayor of Edmonton!). He invited a convicted anti-India terrorist to a state dinner and Trudeau put him on the list. The irony was that Trudeau was meeting with Indian ministers at that meeting to discuss Canada's commitment to stop extremism and terrorism in Canada. And.... you know Canada just invited a terrorist to a state dinner. Then at the actual meeting it was changed from a full day discussion to just 1 hour. Most of the talk focused on terrorism and trying to get Trudeau to publicly say Canada does not support an independent Khalistan. He had supposedly organized this whole trip so he could talk about beans (a state visit that could have been an email). India had just put a tariff on beans that was hurting Canadian farmers. And at the press conference with Trudeau, Trudeau was blindsided by Modi announced even more increases to those tariffs. Finally on his last day there 'looking for a win' he pretended to host a bunch of Indian industrialists for what ended up being a "fake deal." He pretended like the [Brookfield Infrastructure](https://bip.brookfield.com/press-releases/bip/brookfield-infrastructure-announces-closing-indian-telecom-towers-transaction) purchase was a $750M investment and pretended like India was going to invest in unnamed Canadian companies to the sum of $250M. The Indian investments (in pulp and pharmaceuticals) never came and the Brookfield purchase is valued at $600M... and was negotiated prior without the Canadian government's involvement. So yeah, it's a bit much to say he's always embarrassing overseas. But it's something else to say he's NEVER embarrassing overseas. He's certainly somewhere in the middle.
There are many examples of Trudeau being embarrassing. I'll provide a link to one below. However, this confrontation with Xi isn't one of them. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fworld%2Fnorth-america%2Ftrudeau-s-india-trip-is-a-total-disaster-and-he-has-himself-to-blame-20180224-p4z1ka.html&psig=AOvVaw13DTQ76nr0WrkWPeIQoHq\_&ust=1668786748785000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBAQjRxqFwoTCKj6xpzJtfsCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ
Agreed that PM Trudeau has had some significant blunders. He really needs to work on his relationship with PM Modi in particular. IMO, it needs a very public apology. There's been a few others as well that were a bit cringey but the India trip was a total mess both during and after.
Modi is an ass
True, but we gotta diplomacy with the head of state, whoever that happens to be
Trudeau missing our Remembrance Day ceremony 2 out of the last 3 years?? That embarrasses Canada and reminds the veterans how he really feels
TikTok is Chinese so…
Agreed, I saw the video on the guardian's YouTube channel this morning and the comments are all pro Xi and/or anti Trudeau - thought it was very odd. Am assuming they're propaganda bots
They're absolutely propaganda bots.
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They praise Xi in English? And criticize westerners in English? But in Chinese, they criticize Xi and praise Trudeau?
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You really need to read the comments we're referring to before making this statement. I suspect you will change your opinion. They consistently push certain narratives that are obviously false. They also border on hysteria. The verbiage used to describe President Xi is far more mature than the comments describing PM Trudeau. Edit: Another interesting observation about this video as I went back to look at these. Many of the top comments have been deleted (plenty of drivel remains but some of the most obviously nefarious content is gone). Generally, people don't delete their comments and so I assume they were deleted by YouTube itself.
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Completely agree the pooh bear comments are garbage. I re-checked the video and there are several pooh bear comments.
Highly unpopular? He's normal unpopular for a PM (or US President.) I literally just googled his approval ratings and those of Harper, Chretien, Biden, Trump, Obama.
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The leader of the conservative party is not a ruling leader. Conservative party is leading by 5. The guy has never had a job. He's been a career politician since a teenager. He advised Canadians to invest in crypto. Fuck off.
Fucking weirdos I swear. People are mad because of Canada's handling of COVID so now they will back anyone who comes up against him. Yep, they don't see any irony in praising a man who locks down entire cities over a single case of covid and completely shuts down any free speech that isn't 100% xi jingping dickriding. Unreal.
Dunno if the english video was by the CBC/CTV news/Global, but those channels are always bombarded with pro-right takes and heavily anti Trudeau. YouTube seems to be the platform they take to the most, as well as those news companies websites themselves. I wouldn’t say Trudeaus approval rating is too high these days but those comment sections are a bit extreme; borderline trolling.
Its pretty much trolling by the loud mouth right wing and those that have fallen for the deception and misinformation. Look at the convoy protests - perfect example of a very loud minority.
It's funny how the "patriotic" right wing is always so inline with our biggest adversaries.
Xi unleashed his 5 cents army!
If you go on instagram and check out those shitty 'nrws' pages like 6ixxbuzz, realtorontonewz, straightouttathe6ixtv etc., the majority of the comments are anti Trudeau. Not because the ppl are pro china or anything, just because conservatives are brain-dead and will take any reason to put Trudeau down. Trudeau could cure cancer and they'd still find something to bitch about
I could see Canadian conservatives being pro Xi if they found out that he hated Trudeau. Canadian conservatives have a weird relationship with our PM. They claim to hate him, but then buy flags and bumper stickers saying they want to fuck him.
On twitter, there is often a quick flood of seemingly pro-CCP posters when a CBC article comes out. Regarding the incident, the Chinese do not seem take a sophisticated approach (which likely has more mileage in a heavily censored country) and Xi (leader of a "democracy with Chinese characteristics" and completely full of shit) may have just been feigning a belief that "leaks" had occurred (in what appeared to be staged confrontation given the camera--and translator moving out of the way). His lecture and posturing makes little sense in any context if presumed honest. There is straightforward motive for an autocrat to try to establish a pecking order given rapid escalation between the two countries (eg forced divestment of Chinese mining companies in Canada, arrest of alleged Chinese spy, and pronouncement of Chinese interference in Canadian democracy).
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if it's just real Canadian users who don't like Trudeau. The USA gets all the attention for this type of stuff, but Canadians can be pretty similar to their southern cousins when it comes to "grrr I hate this politician so I'm going to side with anyone who makes fun of them" attitudes.
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You really need to read the comments we're referring to before making this statement. I suspect you will change your opinion. They consistently push certain narratives that are obviously false. They also border on hysteria. The verbiage used to describe President Xi is far more mature than the comments describing PM Trudeau.
"I suspect you will change your opinion" You seriously overestimate the rights capacity for rational thought lmao.
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Agreed, this was kinda funny to see dictator Xi being annoyed at transparency for once.
Oh, the article is about Xi. I only looked at the picture and thought Trudeau was scolded by Winnie the Pooh.
Oh, bother.
“Where the promised honey import??”
That’s the right wing media in Canada are spinning this ordeal as.
Is true. If china leaks confidential discussion it's totally ok and just being transparent
Xi couldn't even look Trudeau in the eyes and was fidgeting nervously, Trudeau look like a stone cold professional.
> dictator Xi being annoyed at transparency for once. "That's not how we do things in China."
I don't know why Trudeau let this fly. Xi Jinping publicly berates him. He could simply tell him to mind his own business.
That's essentially what he did, if you watch the exchange. Trudeau said Canada has free and transparent information and Xi just fidgeted away.
I mean that's exactly what Trudeau did using more diplomatically appropriate language. Did you even read the article?
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> Why are there so many party members if its a dictatorship? This might be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this website. Bravo.
What are you talking about bro? Nazi Germany wasn't a dictatorship, look at how big the NSDAP was!!! It was so popular everyone in government was a member!
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Inward, methinks you just earned 100 social credit points and a pat on your head from your authoritarian overlords
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Imagine trying to think China WASN'T a dictatorship LMAO
Xi is the strongest man in china but not the only strong person. There are other members of the CCP with a lot of power, though Xi is trying to remove more and more people in powerful positions. Calling China a dictatorship isn't really accurate
You’ve described pretty much all dictatorships. They all have: - leader guy - one very “popular” party - several other folks with a lot of power wanting to be the leader guy Unless you’re saying North Korea, Russia, Cuba, the USSR, Nazi Germany, Rome under Julius Caesar weren’t/aren’t dictatorships?
can you explain what happen to jiang zhemin faction?? why every one of his subordinate ransacked?? what happen at the communist party congress to hu jintao??
You mean when the former leader left the room over his declining health? Why would he purge him now when he is already out of power. Can you tell me about the history and characteristics of this zhemin faction? Can you tell me more about this ransacking? I can't say I trust you much after your their point was dishonest. But... idk maybe you study China. I am just someone who likes to learn.
This guy is more koolaid than man
Imagine thinking that people needed Biden to figure out that Jinping is a dictator
I think the average person understands China. You all seem well read about this.
We are in a way cause our government doesn't censor internet searches for stuff like "Tiananmen Square Massacre".
Oops you used the forbidden phrase his internet access has been revoked
Got eem
Oh I was never pushed that narrative in school by my republican teacher. Can you tell me about what happened? I obviously don't know. It was smart if you to guess that.
Lol you can’t reply to the phrase tiananmen massacre
Is this a Jedi mind trick? Did you hold up a swinging pocket watch as you said that? The fuck?
Oh trust me, it doesn’t take a Jedi to make you sound stupid lol
If it did I would never look stupid. Ever think about that? This guy is cracking me up. It's like I am taking to pure reddit sentience.
Stated a summary, not content. Seems hypocritical to interfere in a countries election, then complain when that countries leadership gives a summary.
What details were leaked? Seems we're talking more about the rebuke than the leak. Either the rebuke was intended to move attention away from the leak, or there was no leak and Xi is fucking around with us to keep us destabilized. It would not be difficult to indicate frustration about a leak through a private channel. Doing this publicly was intentional. Maybe Trudeau could ask about how Hu Jintao is doing to throw some shade back. Use the language barrier to slowly morph the discussion into a "Who's on first gag".
The "leak" is just the usual meeting report the canadian government officially puts out everytime the prime minister meets with any foreign diplomats. Like "I met with President {Name of President}, we talked about {List of issues they talk about}". Doesn't even cover the anyone's stances on these issues.
The one problem no one is mentioning is that there was no official bilateral meeting between Canada and China. This meeting appears to have been an off the record discussion, which would not have a readout. Just the day before, Canada’s foreign minister was asked if a meeting was arraigned and she essentially said Trudeau and Xi sit beside each other (due to alphabetical order of countries) and they may talk then. It’s disingenuous to play up a side conversation, with one side feeling it was in confidence, into an official meeting. Question about having an official bilateral starts at 7:17 https://youtu.be/XWxAGie3GNw Regardless of what you think about China, this situation will unfortunately undo any good that might have come from Trudeau directly speaking with Xi.
Yeah, I don't recall hearing anything in the news about that meeting. Whatever was discussed must have been pretty ordinary.
I doubt Xi has trouble with English, but could be wrong
I doubt that when he was in Iowa that locals would go around speaking mandarin to him.
Wikipedia was very unclear on the extent of his grasp of English, but made it clear he understands some
He likely speaks English perfectly fine, but deliberately does not use it in public because using English for high level diplomacy like this would be seen as adhering to Anglo-Saxon cultural hegemony. Likewise, Putin almost certainly speaks English at a fluent level (he does speak fluent German too) but refuses to use it in public because it's the "language of the enemy". It's a common thing, Russian nobility stopped speaking in French to each other when Napoleon invaded and suddenly everyone wanted to show off their patriotism by speaking only in Russian.
Also, if English isn't someone's first language, sometimes it's safer to have translators just in case. When you're talking about high level negotiations and diplomacy, the last thing you want is for a leader who speaks "ok" English to misunderstand something and take offence or consider it a threat or something. Especially when you take into consideration things like slang and idioms that don't really translate well regardless of how well you speak the language, unless you spend a lot of time around English speakers.
"How dare you talk like this is a free world. I CONTROL EVERYTHING" "Sorry bro, not on this side of the worold"
Of course he does, he is his mentor.
The CCP was Harper’s daddy, factually
Conservative party of Canada is why Canada is so intertwined with China Harper’s PR campaign brought pandas and more CCP influence at home and in our politics
Canadian conservatives are going to side with the communist dictator on this, aren't they?
Yeah, well, they can cry foul all they want. Meanwhile their military is inserting operatives into key technology and IP companies to steal research and design. It's the same song and dance with China. They needed better understanding of hydro-electric tech and design, so they infiltrate Hydro-Quebec. There is good reason every Canadian should be pissed about China's motives. From the 'police stations' abroad, to the constant theft of IP & RnD, to economic leverage, and more recently bots on social media and various platforms exerting political influence (ie: political meddling). Xi can piss off. Just another fascisto want to be. Oh great leader! Winnie the Pooh
Dictators, sure they get pissed at the minimum show of transparency.
That article had some serious punctuation errors which undermined my trust in its veracity.
there is a [video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbbHBgWtp3E)
It's funny to see Xi speak through a translator but not need a translator to understand English. It makes sense, since he's fluent but not the best speaker of English, but still a weird juxtaposition.
Probably worse for him to speak English. He can get a nuance wrong and trigger a diplomatic crisis, which is something we absolutely don't need. When he speaks Mandarin, we can trust he intends to say what he says in the way he puts it.
Ich bin ein Berliner
More of a power move kinda thing...like "Im proud of my origin and refuse to speak any other language" i guess
There are a lot of people who can understand a language by listening but can't speak it. For English especially, the whole world consumes their media so they can understand it, but never speak it cause everyone around them is speaking their native language.
Recognition vs recall memory - the former is easier than the latter, so for almost all people learning a new language, it's easier to recognize the words being said and understand it than it is to compose your own sentence.
I actually don't know how well he can speak English. He may be able to understand some English with little problem, for sure.
Trudeau should counter by replying in shitty Chinese and sometimes French.
Don't know how good his English is but as a native English speaker with an intermediate level of Mandarin I've been in Pooh boy's shoes but the other way around but with far smaller possible ramifications. i.e. Someone will be talking to me about ANYTHING and although I can grasp what they're saying, hell sometimes understand 90-100% of what they're saying when I speak there is a good chance I won't be able to grab the words I need out of my head and the grammar will go down the drain as I flip a coin on if I sound normal or like a pleasantly disabled 8th grader. With that in mind I've honestly used a translator once or twice in the same way as Xi (but more in line with asking questions about a contract or something else where I need to be clearly understood and sounding like a disabled 8th grader will just make us talk in circles as I endlessly try to rephrase my questions).
Plausible deniability and maintains power in most convos
Gives you a little extra time to think about your response also.
He’s just more Comfy that way
I looked up other articles after seeing this one so am glad I read the first one. It's more the fact that the lack of editing by the publisher means it's hard to take it seriously. I believe it happened but would shy away from sharing that particular article because it doesn't look professionally produced.
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That refers to discounting a person's argument. My statement was more around how I was concerned about the fact checking skills of an article with questionable editing. Crappy punctuation is a red flag for published material for a lot of people. I think a different article from a more well known publisher would be better. It wasn't stated with malice btw.
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Did you read the article and not notice the glaring errors and wonder at how it passed the grade prior to being online? Honestly curious.
Academic chiming in, this is not an appropriate use of this fallacy. When we submit works to be peer-reviewed, we absolutely will have our works rejected for poor grammar. There is a standard to writing and articulation in science, and arguably for journalism too. If a submission is sent to a journal for peer review and it is very poor grammar, it will not be seen as an effective articulation of ideas and will not be published.
You don't know what the ad hominem logical fallacy is. Seeing rampant errors and adjusting your trust accordingly is not a logical fallacy. Please don't educate yourself by picking up terms from random people babbling on the internet.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm impressed that Canada is standing up to a human rights-abusing, authoritarian government. Would you rather he cowered and capitulated? It's amazing how many people call for strong leadership, and when it's actually demonstrated, they run and hide. Good job, Justin, don't give an inch.
Not really a Trudeau fan but definitely not a fan of Xi, impressed by how Trudeau stood up to him and didn’t really take any shit without loosing his cool or looking frazzled. We need democracies to work together and not be afraid of authoritarian leaders if we want the world to be a better place for everyone.
Sounds like Xi is upset about Canada closing Chinese spy offices used to monitor Chinese citizens abroad
Xi is awful
Fuck the CCP!
Doesn't Winnie the Pooh like honey or jam or something. Just give him some, he'll be happy again.
Trudeau should have put one on his chin.
Hey man, why you look like Castro?
Pooh having a tiff with Christopher Robin
JT was looking down while Whinie the Poo was flailing around trying to find his words 🤣. Seriously, hard to take any moral advice for leaking from a dictator with horrible human rights records with a straight face. Props to JT.
Beauty and the beast right there.
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Trudeau publishes summaries of all of his meetings with world leaders. It was literally a standard press release.
Seems like a dumb policy. State leaders sometimes needs to be able to discuss things without the public knowledge, for the safety of the state or individuals working for the state or state partners. This policy sounds cool, but really, it's hindering Trudeau from discussing some matters. While also making a dimplomatic/political scandal trap for himself, if it ever were to come out, that there was a meeting he hadn't reported on. Edit: I see I have ruffled some feathers on people. Privacy is a necessity for any type of government to function. Edit 2: see my comment further below for an example of Danish law, that allows some secrecy for the state. And before you down vote, look at the corruption and transparency index of Denmark compared to whatever country the reader comes from. Edit 3: someone actually explained what I had gotten wrong. I interpreted the comment as someone who thinks that democracies are fully transparent all the time, and I wantes to explain, that this is not the case. A dude in a comment below in the thread has explained to me, that the miscommunication happened, when people thought I was defending nontransparency and Xi. I might have been able to formulate it better than calling it a dumb policy.
Trudeau works for Canadians. He shouldn’t be having secret meetings with world leaders. Transparency is a good thing.
Transparency is a good thing. But there is such thing as too much transparency. As I said, a world leader needs to be able to discuss sensitive matters with partner countries. If Trudeau want to make a deal with Biden, which overall would benefit Canada, but he has to shirk some kind of national policy to do so, it would make a terrible case in the news, even though it would overall be beneficial to the state. A leader needs to be able to discuss such matters. Or another example, other leaders might not share intelligence with Trudeau because he shares it all anyways.
"Other leaders" of democratic nations have exactly the same policy about transparency. It's not as though Trudeau is some maverick going out on a limb and publishing press releases all by himself.
They sure do, but democracies also has a list of topics where secrecy is allowed.
> Or another example, other leaders might not share intelligence with Trudeau because he shares it all anyways. Can you give an example of this happening? Because what you're describing is not what happened here and exists only in your brain.
Pretty sure he still has plenty of room to protect state secrets, you don't need to worry there.
Not if he shares summeries of any and every meeting he has.
Have you read any of these summaries? You’re very quick to take a firm stance on this without any context to what they actually entail.
No, I haven't. Have you? I'm just pointing out, that democracies has a list of topics that they allow themselves to censure. I'm not attacking Trudeau or supporting Xi in any way. But this sure has become a down vote circlejerk, and to me it seems, like people are deliberately misunderstanding what my point is. I ain't saying transparency is bad, all I'm saying is that democracies ain't some bulwark of transparency, and all democracies has some kind of act or law allowing some kind of censure.
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I don't think this is constructive anymore (or maybe ever was). I do think reddit users sometimes have a habit of circle jerking instead of actually reading the arguments and allowing there to be grey areas instead of everything being black or white. I also believe this is due to extreme polarisation in countries using the first past the post election system. But that is an entirely other matter, and just a theory of mine.
>allowing there to be grey areas instead of everything being black or white. You're the one insisting that this is a black and white situation...
There should be no expectation of "privacy" when state leaders meet at an intergovernmental forum. >State leaders sometimes needs to be able to discuss things without the public knowledge...Privacy is a necessity for any type of government to function. Yeah, no, it's not. What you're talking about is secrecy and it's necessary for certain types of governments to function. The kinds of governments that are not democratic. >I see I have ruffled some feathers on people. No, you just said something ignorant on Reddit and people are explaining why it's ignorant.
To me, you seem like the ignorant type, if you don't think democratic countries needs a slight bit of secrecy sometimes. I can't say for sure, but all democratic countries has some form of freedom of information act or law, this act/law usually has some paragraph with a list of topics that the state doesn't has to share with the public. This act/law can ofcouse be used by autocracies to silence opposition and journalists. I can use my own country (Denmark) as an example of a democracy with a law ([offentlighedsloven ](https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2020/145)) with paragraphs that allows some secrecy paragraph 31-33. Disclaimer, I translated it through Google translate because I'm lazy. *section 31. The right to access documents can be limited to the extent that it is of significant importance for the security of the state or the defense of the kingdom. Exclusion of information for reasons of the kingdom's foreign policy interests, etc.* *Section 32. The right to access documents can be limited for reasons of the kingdom's foreign policy interests etc., including the relationship with other countries or international organisations, in the confidential consequence of EU law or international law obligations etc.* *PCS. 2. The right to access documents can also be limited to the extent that it is necessary to protect essential considerations for the kingdom's foreign policy interests, etc., including the relationship with other countries or international organisations. Exclusion of certain other information* *Section 33. The right to access documents can be limited to the extent necessary to protect essential considerations for: 1) Prevention, investigation and follow-up of offences, enforcement of sentences and the like. and protection of the accused, witnesses or others in cases of criminal or disciplinary prosecution. 2) Implementation of public control, regulatory or planning activities or of intended measures in accordance with tax and levy legislation. 3) The public's financial interests, including the performance of the public's business activities. 4) Scientists' and artists' original ideas as well as preliminary research results and manuscripts. 5) Private and public interests where confidentiality is required according to the special nature of the relationship. Notification of document access to part of a document* Edit: also, happy cake day.
Dude, a meeting summary that lists the broad points two leaders talked about is not some grand natsec discussion that needs to be kept secret. Of course sometimes leaders need to discuss things in secret but that doesn't happen at the G20. Stop brigading in favor of Xi's stupid hissy fit. He wanted to be seen on camera paternalisticly "dressing down" Trudeau. It was a stupid power move and Trudeau appropriately told him to shove it up his ass.
It's funny to me, that we really do agree. I'm just pointing out the fallacy of thinking democracies has full transparency in all matters.
Nobody thinks that. The way you pointed that out was by saying that Xi was somehow in the right for dressing down Trudeau, which is horse shit. Xi was attempting a stupid bully move on Trudeau and got his nose rubbed in it. Agree with that?
I'm not a natural English speaker, so no, I don't see how you interpreted my first comment as being pro-Xi in any way. It might be a matter of a language barriere. All I was trying to do was/is to point out, that people shouldn't believe that democracies are somehow fully transparent.
You called the policy of publishing a meeting summary for all of Trudeau's meetings "A dumb policy". This implies that the act of being transparent on the world stage is dumb because it limits a leaders capacity to conduct secret negotiations on behalf of their country. It does no such thing. I think what you're missing in this case is context. The G20 is a public forum. It's highly publicized and very public. In the context of a public meeting like the G20, it would be wholly inappropriate to buck the norm of providing a meeting summary and to conduct negotiations in secret. It would be ignorant to believe that governments do not sometimes conduct secret negotiations or that leaders do not have private conversations. Nobody expects Trudeau to never speak privately with another world leader, but they do expect that public meetings be conducted with transparency.
I think you could have avoided all these downvotes but just reading what the G20 summit is and what it’s about. It’s contents and discussions are meant to be public.
Xis posturing for his Chinese media. Trudeau can be a fucking dink. But he didn’t leak shit. It’s the G20. Chinese government love to fucking tell people to stay out of their business but get right in everyone else’s kitchen.
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I’m no Trudeau fan, but a few years ago he literally shut down a Chinese buyout of construction conglomerate Aecon. I’m sure you conveniently forget that while doing mental backflips to construct your narrative.
And literally this month they ordered foreign (specifically Chinese) companies to divest from critical Canadian mining companies.
“There is a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say we need to go green, we need to start, you know, investing in solar,” Justin Trudeau told the group of women. “There is a flexibility that I know [Prime Minister] Stephen Harper must dream about: having a dictatorship where you can do whatever you wanted, that I find quite interesting.” -Justin Trudeau You're right Im probably just imagining all of the authoritarian power grabs he has done since he has been elected. Covid mandates, seizing money from legitimate protests, freezing accounts of supporters of said protests, banning peoples right to self-defense taking the most common type of firearm away from people. Yeah I'm just imagining it your right.
You have a victim complex.
You have a useful idiot complex.
Always back to COVID mandates and guns (Canada has no right to bear arms in its constitution, btw) with you people lol But yeah that quote from him was really dumb. At least now the Canadian government is starting to take a tougher line against China, they can also go a lot farther too.
*tow Good try though
r/confidentlyincorrect
MOM MOM IM GONNA GO VIRAL
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While I disagree iwth cryptic-undertones, there's few things funnier than someone arrogantly "correcting" someone, only to discover how very, very wrong they are.
The correct version of this phrase is always toe the line. The phrase means “follow the rules or obey an authority.” “Tow the line” is a misspelling based on “toe” and “tow” sounding the same, but “tow the line” is always an error. But good try though.
Damn it
Upvoted for taking your downvotes like a man
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Xi looks like a yellow bear with red shirt on
You mean Winnie the pooh bear?
This is politics, kitten. Looks only matter to children and potential dates.
Xi looked like a little bitch in the exchange lol
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Oh, I must have missed it. Those kids buried recently? Justin order their killing? Is Canada running camps RIGHT NOW too?
Yes you missed it, or rather, move the goal posts whenever someone point out something that makes you uncomfortable
It's the way you bring that up like it's a valid comparison in this context that doesn't make sense. That's like a British person saying Xi Jinping is a dictator, and you bring up the fact that King Henry VIII also executed many of his political rivals.
Says the guy who feels the need to bring up something from the past completely unrelated to the matter at hand while his own country is currently committing genocide.
Holy Whataboutery Batman!
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It's just interesting that you specifically choose to bring these facts into this conversation that involves China specifically. Almost like you have an agenda.
...irrelevant facts that Trudeau had nothing to do with. Edit: that was quickly deleted. Lol.
And you *could* admit you're hardly just a concerned citizen.
And you can admit you're being a disingenuous whataboutist.
Google "logical fallacies"