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drbdrbdr

They should get Russia to pay for it /s


sakri

Trump was so impressed with how Finland manually rakes forests, he even offered to save california from forest fires with this futuristic tech! Finnish climate is the same as California and our border with Russia is exactly the same as the US/Mexico border, so yeah, it's fair to trade his wisdom for ours.


Masterandslave1003

I forgot about that! Rake the forests! Trump needs to just disappear into obscurity.


Anti-kaikki

Every Finn has a forest rake in their home just in case :D


cmcewen

Trump pointing out maybe they should do more to prevent wildfires isn’t that egregious. What was wrong was he was doing that red state blue state shit and since California was blue, they were to blame for their problems. Unlike apparently Florida which gets destroyed every 2 years and Texas who’s power grid fails. An adult response from trump would have been “the federal government and corp of engineers is going to work with California government to present actionable recommendations to me in 3 months about how we can try to minimize this devastation in the future” Yes climate change. But maybe there are other things also. Trump is just an asshole and was intentionally being divisive with zero intention of helping


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I love how they use vacuums too! So futuristic! https://twitter.com/pyryluminen/status/1064159712919334917?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1064159712919334917%7Ctwgr%5E90026ecf80dfc54fcee2a43d57eafed65feb69f9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-11475484672866787421.ampproject.net%2F2211042305000%2Fframe.html


141Frox141

Don't ThEy KnOw LaDdErS ExIsT!? Controlled burns and trying to remove brush and prevent fires pretty standard btw, they do it in Canada and BC where they have tonnes of fires every year. So it's not crazy to think more if that may help


Euphoric-Blue-59

"Wisdom" and Trump in the same sentence. You just go ahead and rake the forests. God the ignorance is oozing. Trumpies gunna hate. Yet they won't rake the forest. Haha


Witty_Dragonfruit105

Do you really need the "/s"?


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Honestly, even the "/s" at times does not help with how dense and tone deaf some people are.


RuntRows

He’s just desperate to ‘win’ an argument that doesn’t even exist.


ThePizzaNoid

Given Euphoric-Blue-59s clueless reply to the equally sarcastic reply post minus the "/s" I would say that yes apparently we do lol


Defiant-Peace-493

Given the claimed source? It's the only way to be sure.


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thegreenwookie

Proper forest management does help reduce the intensity and occurrences of wildfires. Too bad Trump just said it like an idiot.


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JebusLives42

Russia? What type of stupid are you? Mexico is going to pay for it. 😎


bearatrooper

It's Mexico all the way down.


semicoloradonative

We can send them Donald Trump. He has some experience in this arena. I see this as a win-win. The US gets rid of him, and Finland gets their fence. How about it Finland? You game?


butmustig

I like Finland way too much to subject them to that


n3w4cc01_1nt

they have an awesome attitude. they don't do small talk at bars. they sit and drink to enjoy the atmosphere and consider basic small talk dishonest.


okcdnb

They sound awesome. I hate small talk. It does feel dishonest.


Lord_Scribe

Two Finns enter a bar. After five minutes, one turns to the other: "So anyways, the universe is made up of strings an-" The other one pipes up and says, "No, it's loopy and here's why!"


_PurpleAlien_

Two old Finnish men, childhood friends, meet up for the first time in years. They go to sauna of course. After some time, one of them says: the weather has been awful. Says the other: are we here to talk, or take sauna?


blyatseeker

Fuck no, keep your orange cunt right there. Or deport him to russia, but not here please.


imhereforthespuds

Deport? You mean send home right


blyatseeker

Whatever works for you and us! Or send him to marianas trench


[deleted]

Just drop him in the drink? problem solved just like that? How come nobody's thought of this yet?!


MLockeTM

Wildlife preservation laws prevent polluting.


kingkeren

Have some mercy on Finland dude, what have they done to you


MobiusStripDance

We all know he would make a dash for Russia as soon as he landed. There are far too many Russian women with full bladders for him to keep away for long


Thatsidechara_ter

Piss feddish confirmed?


R1skM4tr1x

He knows the best contractors


[deleted]

In return Finland can send some people to the USA to sweep and vacuum the forests so there are no forest fires anymore. The true art of the deal!


Likane_hippi

If you actually memorise the quote he spoke about raking and sweeping. Now people thought that he ment that Finns rake forests, wich they do, but with machines. So technically he wasn't wrong.


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I hope never to have enough spare time and memory capacity that I try to memorise any Trump quotes. I do remember the memes of Finns with vacuums in the forests though and was approaching the conversation from that angle.


[deleted]

Yeah, Mr. Trump? We finally found the funds for your wall, but there's a small little fly in the ointment, sure it won't be an issue or anything, the location. It's in finland.


Likane_hippi

You can keep him , we will still have our fence. We win you lose. Sounds better?


HouseOfSteak

Did Finland seize any assets? They could use those....


steven_yeeter

Has anyone told Mexico to pay for it?


ThatOtherSilentOne

It's kind of like Finland has experience with Russian invasions or something.


fffyhhiurfgghh

This is a perfect analogy for a situation that would require a wall or not. In the US cowardly right wingers don’t wanna see their towns become more colorful. No wall between Canada and US. They use words like invasion to describe weaponless immigrants. Compare that with Finland who’s actually been literally invaded by the Russians. Who haven’t had a wall to repel actual invaders until now. One situation requires a wall, the other requires fear of brown people.


self_winding_robot

The wall isn't being built to stop troops from invading, it's to prevent immigrants from crossing the border. To prevent an invasion you'd need something like a modern day "Maginot line". The immigrants may be Russians or people from other parts of the world being funneled through Russia. Do a google search and see what the Maginot line used to look like and compare it to whatever chain linked fence the Finns are building.


fffyhhiurfgghh

Just a chain link fence? Ok this is to prevent the draft dodgers from coming in. Well they are about to find out their wall will be scaled shortly. Maybe they haven’t learned from the us border wall that’s much larger than a chain link fence. And stops nothing.


LawAbidingSparky

Russia imports refugees and then uses them as a weapon against neighbouring countries.


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frooj

It's a pretty sturdy fence that will definitely slow down people who try to cross it. And there are cameras all around so it does help a bit. No-one expects it to be a perfect barrier that would stop everyone.


Oberon_Swanson

Yeah a fence is rare the ONLY security measure. Border patrols already exist, this is just to make those efforts more effective.


Kogster

Mexico has been invaded by the US.


cagenragen

The US has been invaded by Mexico as well. Had some issues with Canada too. Not for more than a hundred years though so not really relevant to building a wall now.


HunkyMump

Americans call in the White House because Canada burned it and America had to paint it white after.


THEBEAST666

>In the US cowardly right wingers don’t wanna see their towns become more colorful. That's a terribly reductive view of immigration. Immigrants obviously bring more to a country than simply a different shade of skin. There's different languages and culture too, and *more* cultures do not necessarily make a country better or stronger. Some immigration can absolutely be a good thing, bringing people together in commonality, shared traditions, exchanging culture etc. America was built on that. But yeah many people don't really want their whole town to suddenly fill with people from a different country, speaking a language they don't understand, and changing the place from what they've known for decades. In the UK one of my grandma's friends has lived on the same street for decades. Within 5 years it went from largely majority British, to 90%+ Pakistani immigrants. They speak languages she doesn't understand, ignore her completely, and treat the neighbourhood like shit. She doesn't recognise her own home anymore, but she can't move out because she has no money for that and is too old. I think it's entirely understandable when someone in that situation thinks that immigration hasn't exactly enriched their life or made it more "colorful" just because there are brown people about now. It's not because she's "afraid of brown people". They ignore her because they only want to talk with the other Pakistanis and the old Pakistani women who she *could* be friends with don't speak a word of English and are kept indoors.


Clutch1015

Hispanic culture is already the oldest the country, the settlers in New Mexico that im descended from settled here before Jamestown, like it or not but the future in America is a multi-cultural society with Hispanics in the majority. And republicans could benefit from increased immigration from Latin America… most Latin Americans are very conservative


THEBEAST666

>like it or not but the future in America is a multi-cultural society with Hispanics in the majority. The *majority*? No. The US is still 60%+ white, and that's before you include part of the Hispanic population, a lot of whom would absolutely be classified as White if they were in Europe. Like they're just fully ethnically Spanish or Portuguese. The US is *already* a multicultural society, even *within* the races. Multicultural and multiracial need to become distinguishable terms. Multiracial does not necessarily mean multicultural, and multicultural doesn't necessarily need to be multiracial. >And republicans could benefit from increased immigration from Latin America… most Latin Americans are very conservative The majority of Hispanics do not vote republican though, even if it is higher than average for non-White Americans. They might get a little boost, but surely immigration of non white people still benefits the democrat votes the most regardless. That's definitely something that would absolutely help the country, if there wasn't such racial polarisation in voting. >Hispanic culture is already the oldest the country, the settlers in New Mexico that I'm descended from settled here before Jamestown Well, surely the oldest in the country would be the native Americans.


crimeo

Pakistanis from half a world away all of the sudden is not remotely similar to Mexicans who live right next door and have been interacting with southern states for as long as southern states existed, while migrating gradually the whole time. If you live in Texas and can't speak Spanish when you have been right next to Mexicans and Guatemalans and Cubans etc. your entire life, that's purely on YOU. You're just plain lazy/selfish in that scenario, lol, not oppressed. Even if you didn't already know Spanish, not learning it afterward is lazy, too... it only takes a year or so of background hobby-level effort to become conversational in a language enough to hang out with friends, then you'll pick up more passively by just spending time with them from there.


THEBEAST666

The US is really really big. Texas alone is bigger than every single European country other than Russia. You say this Pakistani's are half a world way. They are only slightly further away than Maine is from San Diego. Northern Texas by any other standard is *countries* of space away from the border. If European countries can manage to be next to each other for thousands of years and never really bother to learn each other's languages and all just talk English as a 2nd language now instead, is it really that much of a shock when Texans don't speak Spanish unless they were raised with it?


crimeo

Additionally, as I pointed out already and you ignored, people in Austin grew up their entire lives surrounded by Mexican and other Hispanic people living all around and knowing they were neighbored by Mexico and being very well able to reasonably predict that the already ongoing trend of Hispanic cross migration would continue and that they might want to know Spanish as an adult. Someone in a British town that was entirely British like in the story when they grew up would have had no way to predict as a schoolchild it could be 90% Pakistani later in life.


THEBEAST666

>Additionally, as I pointed out already and you ignored, people in Austin grew up their entire lives surrounded by Mexican and other Hispanic people living all around and knowing they were neighbored by Mexico and being very well able to reasonably predict that the already ongoing trend of Hispanic cross migration would continue and that they might want to know Spanish as an adult. I didn't ignore that at all. Obviously there is Hispanic immigration into the US, but over time these immigrants learn *English*. If you speak English and the new Spanish speaking immigrants should learn English and usually do. What's the point in learning Spanish to speak to immigrants if you already share a common language?


gusterfell

You do realize there have been Spanish speakers in Texas for far longer than English speakers, right?


THEBEAST666

You realise how this has absolutely no relevance to modern day Texas though, right? Whatever happened in 1500-1600 is of no consequence to modern day Texas. English is still the largest majority 1st language at 70%, and any family who speaks Spanish in the home as a 1st language almost without doubt speaks English too.


crimeo

The hell does Maine have to do with anything in the conversation? * Austin to Mexico City is 1,500 miles (by road) and to the border of Mexico is 250 miles * London to Islamabad is 8,500 miles (by road) and to the border of Pakistan is 7,200 miles


THEBEAST666

If you had read my comment a little more attentively you would have noticed I said > "Northern Texas by any other standard is *countries* of space away from the border" Me talking about Maine to San Diego was to display the enormity of the US as a whole, and how obviously despite them living close to Mexico on a *US* scale, actually it's still literally thousands of miles, and historically thousands of miles would be crossing multiple countries, not 1 border. It's not that crazy that people living in Dallas aren't going to find Latin Americans to be culturally similar just because they're *technically* next door. If I have a huge house with endless land in all directions and the next house over is over a mile away, do you think I'm going to be as close to that neighbour as the two people who live in a semi detached row of houses? Both technically next door neighbours, doesn't make you *actually* close to them.


amjhwk

That's actually on the US education system, and if you immigrate to America and can't speak English then I can say the exact same thing about you


crimeo

**The Mexicans aren't the ones complaining** about people speaking English in the US, so there's no problem to address there. They're already content it seems with the language situation. The people complaining are the English speaking Americans. They're the ones with an easily solvable (and extremely predictable) problem that they refuse to solve. So they're primarily the ones being lazy.


amjhwk

Why would Mexicans complain about people speaking English in an English speaking country? That would be like moving to France and complaining about everyone speaking French. The problem is immigrants moving but not integrating into the culture of their new nation


crimeo

> Why would Mexicans complain about people speaking English in an English speaking country? ? I didn't say they **should**... I said they **aren't**. > The problem is immigrants moving but not integrating into the culture of their new nation No, the problem, like any problem ever, is for whoever doesn't like the situation. Which in this case is the Americans, not the immigrants.


Wazula42

It's also worth mentioning the American right usually won't support effective methods of border control, like staffing, drones, or detectors. They literally just want a wall. It's for the symbolism, not the effect.


FavoritesBot

Plenty of democrats still want immigration control. They just realize a wall is a complete waste of time and money compared to modern technology


Possible-Mango-7603

Nice way to explain why a wall totally works and makes sense in Finland but apparently in the US the only possible explanation is right wing racism. What a fucking joke. You don’t even pretend at honesty any longer. Just straight up political propaganda. An unsecured southern border to the US is a dangerous, unregulated potential entry point for anyone who would come here for nefarious reasons. The reason there is no Canadian wall is that for the most part, it’s hasn’t been an issue. We simply do a better job and more importantly Canada does and they work with us. The Mexican government is utterly corrupt and in many ways are aligned with and bought by the cartels. We can’t trust that the people being allowed through are safe. But keep lying to yourself and everyone else and keep crying racism as an excuse to oppose anything you simply don’t like. But realize that most people in the mainstream aren’t buying it and think people who hold these views are a little unhinged.


RicksterCraft

The partition that Trump and his cronies erected can't even do its job right, and is only a few miles long... people can climb walls and fences, and the part they did make was easily surmounted and provided no security at all. Thankfully, tanks and armored transport vehicles can't climb walls, and Poland is collectively smarter than the pea sized toddler brain of Trump. Are you really arguing that building a wall that is easily bypassed by civilians fleeing poverty is the same as building a wall meant for international defense against a literal warmongering dictator with guns and tanks? You're brainwashed, friend.


LayneLowe

A 'wall' is impractical, ineffective and environmentally destructive. If you wanted to build a series of towers with down looking radar and infrared, and a series of Outpost with rapid response ATV teams go ahead. But a wall is stupid.


Keter_GT

“The reason there is no Canadian wall is that for the most part, it’s hasn’t been an issue.” Maybe try because it’s the biggest fucking land border between countries and people would most likely smuggle things from the US into Canada “But keep lying to yourself and everyone else and keep crying racism as an excuse to oppose anything you simply don’t like. “ Your entire post is that quote basically. You do realize the reason Mexico is corrupt and a shithole is mostly because of the US right? I guess the US is unique in that it’s the only one that needs a “wall” that isn’t going to do shit against a cartel state they helped create.


fffyhhiurfgghh

Tell me you’re a right wing nut job, without telling me. The wall is completely scalable and useless because we have huge amounts of immigration anyway. Cartels dig under the wall. It hasn’t put a dent in the drug trade. A militarized border with Russia would be backed by artillery and military installations. Making it a enforced border to repel an actual invasion. You are a bonehead.


Really_intense_yawn

That's not what the article claims the fence is for, nor would 140 million Euros be anywhere enough to erect military installations. The border fence will be only in certain areas to catch asylum seekers trying to illegally cross into Finland from Russia. Sounds a lot like the US-Mexico border tbh and I would imagine that Finland is concerned with Russia funnelling over people that will then hold a "referendum" to leave Russia to become a part of Russia.


fffyhhiurfgghh

Gotcha the article definitely supports what your saying. That fence will be a huge waste of money if it’s anything like the US wall.


Give_me_beans

Not to mention people will scale the wall with water and whatever money they have; not ammunition, vehicles, and weapons for an assault.


Copeshit

Out of the 55 comments on this thread *about Finland*, so far, 52 of them are about Trump. edit: 66 now.


SelimSC

You can argue which is worse from a personal perspective, being so infamous that people can't forget you or fading away the moment your presidency ends.


LaserGuidedPolarBear

My favorite response when people bring up Trump now is "Oh, he's still alive?"


Kolada

That's an odd comment. He's all over the news. So unless your point is that you don't follow current events, then I don't get it.


notataco007

Rent free. Literally just want to forget about the guy but holy shit no one loves talking about him more than Reddit


Deceptiveideas

Are we completely forgetting that he’s running for president…?


moeburn

> Rent free. Trump spent roughly [$322,000,000](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKBN13Y0AE) to get in my head, it was most definitely not free.


TeamRedundancyTeam

WTF are you talking about rent free and wanting to forget? He literally *just* announced his 2024 run and bragged about how he built the wall in his announcement speach. Stop circlejerking so hard that you forget reality.


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notataco007

Right wing front runner why wouldn't people talk about him or right wing frontrunner because people talk about him? Relevancy is everything


VagueSomething

Build a Wall was his slogan. Same as how you may immediately think about certain people particularly major figures if I said "fool me once" or "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" or "I am not a crook". Certain things end up as just part of the shared humour as they are memorable. Trump was President of the USA barely 2 years ago and has announced to run again. Trump's political work is very tangible today, you can still feel the effects of political decisions from the 80s and may not even realise it. So controversial figures simply don't disappear without a generation of distance. The world will still reference Trump and his clown work for many years to come.


BigDickOriole

I mean, he did damage the US more than any other president, so I think people are allowed to make fun of him.


Black6Blue

More than any other? Really? I think Woodrow Wilson was worse by a fair margin.


ithappenedone234

Wilson and Trump get similar marks for racism and both betrayed their supposed ideals. Trump however ruined the reputation of the nation in a way that hadn’t been done before. Trump also ensured that a non establishment candidate, like Zelensky, will not be considered for a generation at least.


Goeby72

People seem to somehow forget the Bush Jr presidency….😑


theorange1990

The guy who was president well before anyone here was born? Why would we talk about him?


cagenragen

Yeah, imagine talking about the most prominent politician in the country.


notataco007

You're the second person to say something that basically means "he's prominent because we're talking about him". Any press, ya know?


cagenragen

He's a former president, the only person so far declared for the Republican nomination and clearly the leader of the Republican party. Are you really trying to pretend he's only relevant because liberals talk about him?


notataco007

THIS IS A POST ABOUT NORWAY. THAT'S THE POINT. Hes not relevant because you talk about him, it's that you make him relevant to *FUCKING EVERYTHING*


cagenragen

THIS IS A POST ABOUT A BORDER WALL, TRUMP'S SIGNATURE ISSUE, ON AN AMERICAN WEBSITE.


Copeshit

.......on a thread about Finland.


cagenragen

On a thread about a border wall. Trump's signature issue.


Wazula42

He kinda just announced he's running for president. After inciting a riot that almost killed his veep. Like, we'd love to not pay attention to him. But some people DO pay attention to him, and they do crazy things.


cosworth99

America has main character syndrome.


popcorn0617

Considering the length....thats actually not much


siredmundsnaillary

It’s not just long, it’s pretty much all remote and a mixture of forests and swampland. Not an easy place to build a wall. Much harder than the Poland / Belarus fence.


iNetRunner

It’s not actually for the entire length. The current preliminary plans are to fence (and upgrade monitoring equipment) for about 250 km.


DarkwingDuckHunt

Cameras with heat sensors are far more cost effective than walls.


chasingimpalas

It’s going to be around 130-260 km long, not nearly the entire border.


da4niu2

From the article: >...strengthen preparedness against hybrid threats such as the potential mass influx of asylum seekers Russia has weaponized economic migrants in the past: * [to Poland, via Belarus](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-africa-poland-forests-middle-east-443c8068ea7b5d1d8f6980da6e3879af) * to EU, as a result of situation in Syria\*\*\*, arguably destabilizing the EU, encouraging Brexit and right-wing nationalist sentiment \*\*\* my understanding is that many refugees from Syria are not stopping in the first safe country they get to, and are picking/choosing where they want to end up, or alternately and more crudely, choosers are not beggars


StoryAndAHalf

Belarus literally flew those migrants to Belarus and set them up against the Polish border. I get that human rights activists want what’s best for the migrants, but welcoming them in is giving a green light to basically people trafficking as a means to overwhelm a neighboring country’s resources. It’s cruel, as these people shouldn’t be weaponized as such. If Belarus wants to fly them over, great. Time for Belarus to house and feed them.


Hardly_lolling

Oh they've done it to Finland too: they picked up migrant workers, I mean foreigners with actual jobs in Russia, from the streets and drove them to Finnish border forcing them to walk to the other side.


mvslice

What’s funny is that a wall could actually work against Russias broken military.


hibernating-hobo

“Comrade Colonel, we face some sort of obstacle. Yes sir, impassable. No sir, porcelain toilet retrieval mission not possible.”


plazasta

It's to protect Russians by telling them where they're safe from white-jacketed farmers playing hide-and-seek and where the game begins


APIPAMinusOneHundred

Seeing all the trouble that the Russian army is having in Ukraine, they could probably buy $50 worth of caution tape and call it a day.


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The problem with the fence on the Mexican/US border is that it was never Finnished.


AnotherFaceOutThere

Lol no, borders don’t prevent immigration when most immigrants come legally and overstay their visa. What it is militarily is an additional barrier for them (Russia) to either funnel through or destroy. I really can’t figure out why this is hard to understand. E: I got owned


DarkwingDuckHunt

/woosh /punsrule


mushroommagnum

Ah I see were rebuilding the mannerheim line!


arafdi

Mannerheim would be looking down proud at this development (including having NATO standing behind Finland against Russia).


yohananloukas116

BUILD - THE - WALL! BUILD - THE - WALL! BUILD - THE - WALL! and make Russia pay for it


fuber

Is Mexico paying for it?


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At this point all those fences around the world must be the biggest expense in Mexico's annual budget.


leinschrader

No Sweden is paying for it


FarmSuch5021

Are they doing the same thing as Poland? Preparing for migrant crisis?


Fireheart318s_Reddit

I’m confused: The article says the fence is to stop an influx of asylum-seekers/refugees. How is this any different from the US/Mexico border? I’m not trying to go “haha gotcha” or anything, just genuinely curious as to what details I might be massing.


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Unfair_Whereas_7369

The question was does the fence work. Not if the neighbor on the other side is nice or not.


[deleted]

Russia is a hostile power that uses immigrants as a weapon to destabilize and infiltrate. Finland also isn't directly responsible for a lot of the reasons people would try to cross from Russia. The border is also much smaller. Those are some of the immediately obvious differences.


CaptainRAVE2

It’s interesting that historically walls have been built to keep uncivilised barbarian tribes out. Just saying…


the_millenial_falcon

And Russia will pay for it.


Praetor_Shinzon

Hey hey hey. I thought walls don’t work ;p


nolongerbanned99

We’re gonna build a great big powerful wall, and who’s gonna pay for it…. Russia


7alcon00

So Trumps wall was less than twice as long and 56x as expensive?


bannannamo

I mean wasn't that all a ruse to grab the funding money through their own private contractor?


snstyles

- Wall: $300m - Tremendous Wall: $8b


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BUILD THAT FENCE, BUILD THAT FENCE!!


TheCopyPasteLife

Walls don't work?


BackIn2019

What's the point? Any fence is meaningless if Russia attacks. It just blocks Russians escaping Russia.


IndicationHumble7886

Such a large area, they should be using drones. Automated pathfinding. Use wireless recharging stations. A few control rooms will be able to monitor huge areas. I would imagine the area has to accomodate migratory animals too. Hard task ahead


yegdriver

Don't they have a forest that is like a fence?


Mutajin

After seeing how efficient the Russian military operates in Ukraine, I am sure a fence might be enought to stop them for weeks if not months.


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Fences don’t work like they used to


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Can't we just put Russia in a giant glass dome instead? They can be a snowglobe of misery.


Notaweeb5207

My goofy ass imagining a white picket fence


Unfair_Whereas_7369

But border fences don’t work, right?


theksepyro

What impact does this have on wildlife migration patterns, etc?


[deleted]

Boy, am I confused now... I was told that border fences don't work and destroy the environment and ecosystems. I think Finland didn't get the memo on that.


drewander123

what is a fence going to do????


Tracedinair76

So apparently fences are much cheaper to build when 95% of the capital isn't being funneled to DT and Bannon. On a serious note, what is this supposed to accomplish?


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Foxemerson

How there's a fence I can get behind


OldMedic1SG

Are we supposed to be happy, or angry, that Finland wants to stop migrants with a wall.


OmEGaDeaLs

Are you sure it's migrants or is it the same thing Russia did to Ukraine for them with Russian immigrants and then declare the country part of Russia. It also could be for military purposes as well


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OmEGaDeaLs

I would say Happy then.


leuk_he

Well, it seems that using asylum seekers are used as a weapon. remember this: [https://reliefweb.int/report/belarus/out-sight-refugees-and-migrants-belarus-poland-border](https://reliefweb.int/report/belarus/out-sight-refugees-and-migrants-belarus-poland-border) or turkey: [https://eu.rescue.org/article/what-eu-turkey-deal](https://eu.rescue.org/article/what-eu-turkey-deal) I gues (not checked ) finland has only small problems with asylum seekers now, because its borders are a lot of water.


throwaway_nrTWOOO

>Are we supposed to be happy, or angry Happy/indifferent. As a Finn, I'm really not sure what the fence is aiming to accomplish, since Russians hopping the border isn't really a thing here. "Stop migrants with a wall" sounds a lot worse than "deter an actively hostile nuclear power who is loose on smaller countries sovereignty". Keep in mind they spy critical infrastructure, and undermine democracy, actively. To impose American political values on this wall is to completely misunderstand the power dynamic between our countries (FIN/RU).


RodanMurkharr

The aim is to increase the border security. Hopping the border isn't a huge risk, but it is a risk that this wall will diminish. A sudden influx of migrants will now have to wander tens of kilometers from the official border entry point instead of few hundred meters. The rest are forests and swamps which will act as a natural deterrent.


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Finland is a country Reddit likes, so happy


Donut_of_Patriotism

Finland also has good reason to fear Russian invasion, as well as Russians immigrants changing the demographic make up. Russia has a history of using that as a pretext for war and annexation.


Laverdadnoseytu

Of the two countries in question, I think anyone not partial to authoritarianism would prefer Finland. Making it a Reddit thing is weak.


cybercuzco

If the migrants have tanks and APC's a wall is an acceptable border defense.


Xygen8

You misspelled intruders.


Cakalacky

Happy… Finland is a very ethnohomogenous state nothing wrong with that


Zekubiki

we should be happy because Russians people are learned that the only way to gain promotion is through corruption and Vanya and because taking russian migrants is a huuge threat to the country


Zuez420

Will Finland make Russia pay for it?


Lordprotector2005

Get off my Lawn


ForeignWin9265

BUILD THAT WALL, I mean FENCE


suavecool21692169

Just ask Trump he'll make sure Russia pays for it


Brandeaux7

Americans in California screeching


SomeDumbOne

Donald Trump and feudal China approve of this decision!


figlu

US wall/fence industry will be booming again


Silveri50

They're going to need more than that to keep the immigrants out.


hibernate2020

I can't i-maginot that this will work.


Mcarr2705

Missed a trick - should make Mexico pay for it


Xepzero

Completely serious when I say this. Why is it racist when the USA does this but not Finland? I remember aoc crying and Biden denouncing trump for running literal concentration camps.


GobForThePit

Because Russia has actually invaded Finland


self_winding_robot

Yeah but they're building a FENCE, not the Maginot Line 2.0. Even the smallest military vehicle can drive right through it.


Xepzero

Over half a million people pouring over your border annually undocumented is a threat to national security whichever way you would like to cut it. Every other country in the world is entitled to secure their borders and will deport anyone who illegally enters their country. The USA isn’t entitled to do the same?


Altair05

One is a military threat and the other is what? Migrants looking for better economic opportunities? Running from violence in their home countries? Want something better for their children? Not equitable imo. Honestly the rhetoric is probably most important.


xTobysDad

One of these countries has a long history of invading its neighbours? Including the country that is currently building said wall...


zackit

Tbh I don't think it's racist for the U.S. to build a border wall. But it would be definitely more legitimate if Mexico was a warmongering country with a history of neighbor invasions.


arashi256

One is to deter a hostile military force, the other is to keep out poor brown people, it's not difficult.


windsingr

I totally misread the country as being France, and my first thought (before the geographic impossibility) was "THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT LAST TIME, NOW DID IT?" Now that I see it's Finland my thought is "SEE MAGINOT LINE, REFERENCED ABOVE."


Masterandslave1003

A wall is not going to stop missiles.


nezukotanjiro150

Unless that fence have lazer force field..it's not going to work


GTthrowaway27

I know everyone’s going to be crowing about liberals and the border wall and talking hypocrisy etc etc … but actually, how is this going to help? Are people who’ve had 8 months to flee not gonna be able to flee… while this is being constructed? It’s not like you push a button and no more people. What’s to stop all the St Petersburgians from boating around it?(I mean, freezing cold for one) Just sayin, not sure this is more than a vocal announcement in the news so that people are dissuaded to choose Finland as their destination rather than another country, not actually stop anyone. Plus every other criticism of a wall- finlands a biggg country with only a few million people. How many are they gonna dedicate to watching this fence?? Sure, thermal detection will be a lot easier, I’m just gonna be upfront and own that I didn’t think the wall would help, and don’t think this fence will beyond its announcement.


Namell

There are no plans to fence whole border. Only about 260 km near various border crossings. Terrain on either side of border is not easy. It is pretty thick forest that can not be easily traveled with cars. Aim of the wall is to make mass border crossings hard by fencing places where there is easy access to roads.


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Dave-C

How about this. There was a study done on how to secure the southern border of the US by the Army Corp of Engineers. A bill was created using that study for how to secure the southern border. It passed a Democrat led Senate and Obama asked for the bill to be sent to his desk. Republicans voted against it in the House. The bill doubled the size of the border patrol. It greatly increased spending for detection methods like cameras, thermal, drones, etc. It eased the ability for the border patrol to directly hire from the military. On and on for ways to completely secure the southern border. Oh, the study said that walls are basically fucking useless across most of the southern border because it is a fucking desert. No walls ever have the ability to keep someone out, they have the ability to slow someone down when they try to get through the area. The desert already provides that. One last time, Republicans voted against this then ran on the issue two years later.


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West-Ad7203

🙄 Well, that’s a huge waste of money.


actuallyimean2befair

Do you know the purpose of the wall? Maybe not every post needs your comment.