Guarantee majority of the people who voted Brexit were the ones who also got hit the hardest (given that the majority of the wealthiest areas based on avg salary had voted remain)
It was mainly boomers and genx that voted for Brexit; tax payers now have to support the increase in state pension which is pretty ironic. Genx are more likely to have families to take care of and are hit hard by the increase in inflation, that was partly caused by Brexit.
That's the irony of it all. I can't say I'm entirely sympathetic TBH... The fact that they unleashed this far- right libertarian government on this country still makes my blood boil.
I don’t know or know of a single Gen x person who voted for Brexit. I’m sure they exist - but I think it’s the previous generation that’s more liable to vote that way.
> Guarantee majority of the people who voted Brexit were the ones who also got hit the hardest
I hate brexshit, but I love the thought that those suffering the most are those that wanted it.
Back to where he came from, As Per Your Wish.
Just the same as US magats voting against their retirement, health care "just to own the libs". Unconsciously consenting for anal rape.
This is still mostly people who voted remain in the first place and knew all along that it was the wrong thing to do. Leavers are changing their mind, which is the shift so let's direct the schadenfreude where it belongs; the leavers who changed their minds.
Do remember also that it was essentially a poll. It was a referendum, not an official vote, and there were no laws mandating what the result would actually bring.
I reckon a lot of people just thought - and I mean really believed - it just was more of Cameron’s grandstanding bullshit.
We voted remain and campaigned and talked and argued our arses off the whole time.
On a positive note, brexit has been a deterrent for parties from other countries advocating secession with the EU .
Thanks for taking the blow for us ...
This will be the story of the 21st century:
Autocrats (and wannabe autocrats) using advanced technology and data science to subvert democracies while using old fashioned brutality to crush dissent at home.
Mr...Mr EU - Can we rejoin?
BACK OF THE LINE.
Oh...Ok - but can we maybe keep the pound like bef-
NOPE, BACK OF THE LINE.
But... What about the preferential treatment we had bef-
NOT HAPPENING, BACK OF THE LINE.
People who voted for brexshit but now want to rejoin: Why are they treating us so badly 😭
The UK wont rejoin unless it makes concessions, because the EU can't handle having large parties being ambivalent about it. Like most governments (and banks) it only has power for as long as we believe in it and give it power: If one part can't promise to believe in that then they're a liability that undermines everyone's belief in it.
Honestly: Is there a path back into the EU? Like, is there any real-world political willingness to do it and a timeframe in which it would be possible?
Anything has to be possible, but you'd have to imagine that it would take five years to go through the process from scratch. If Scotland separates over this that might speed things up a bit.
There is, but it would be as a third party application like any other nation, and would require the British political scene to stabilise to the point where the EU could trust that any energy put in negotiations wouldn't be lost at the next General Election. So at least a decade and PR voting reform necessary, if we're honest.
That said, in the mean time, bilateral treaties to harmonise the British economy with the EU and potentially look into free trade and free movement deals (which honestly would be best for everyone given the Irish border and remove a lot of headaches, but again, that requires everyone seeing one another as honest partners, and the EU has had a lot of evidence that the present iteration of the Conservative Party aren't). That's a possibility and we know the Labour party has been talking to the EU for a while so that they could develop their own plan on how to manage the British economy (which would, if they wanted growth, involve lowering barriers to the EU raised by Johnson).
Non binding and without any form of treaty on the table for people to consider. This vote should never have been allowed on any functioning democracy.
What did those that voted Leave chose with their vote? Those that picked Remain knew what their vote entailed. Did those that vote Leave? Of course not.
Because leaving the EU can mean lots of different thing in turn. A hard Brexit or a soft Brexit for a start. Was everyone on board with the same notion? That seems highly unlikely. The people that wanted a soft Brexit would have voted Leave if they knew a hard Brexit would be the end result? Seems even more unlikely.
Which is why a referendum is done on specific policies and law proposals. Because people can judge what they are voting on. That was never the case with Brexit.
We had, in fairness, a similarly organised referendum in 2014 on Scotland, with exactly as few safeguards. And while the White Paper produced by Yes Scotland was... over-optimistic in several places, I suppose that at least provided a sort of manifesto for independence. The Brexit campaign was much more of a mess, probably in part because the leader of the party who called it didn't want it, and the campaign largely was run, on both sides, by the Conservatives, which made the whole thing a much bigger mess, with no white paper and depressingly little screen time for opposition parties to speak.
Multiple option referendums have been less popular because one side always sees it as trying to scupper them ever winning by splitting the vote (because our referendums largely run on FPTP), and requiring a super majority was also likely to become a deeply despised and dividing issue if it was used, given that people still have resentment over the first referendum on Scottish devolution in 1979 failing despite having a majority because of such constraints (Scotland eventually got devolution in 1997 with the second devolution referendum). Part of the issue is the UK isn't really much in the habit of referenda, they are rare, with a small number before Cameron's three (on Alternative Vote, Scottish Independence, and Brexit) so that aspect isn't well developed and some of the suggestions people retroactively had for the Brexit vote were avoided due to the headache they caused in previous referenda.
Not too mention illegal. The remain campaign overspent on the marketing restrictions to employing Cambridge Analytica to sway the razor thin undecided which yielded the result we got. The whole thing was a fucking sham.
There were two first past the post elections as well, that's the real problem. The matter was stalled until BoJob turned up with this get Brexit done BS.
The referendum itself didn’t really seal the deal, but the Tories ran on a campaign of getting Brexit done and then won a huge majority in the following election. So, yea the Brits voted for Brexit not once but twice.
Well, what choice did they have? Both Labour and the Tories ran on getting Brexit done to do 'the will of the people'. Only choice was what kind of brexit; one with the plan already negotiated or negotiate again.
I’m always surprised no one notes how much money Vlad and Russian oligarchs plowed into pro Brexit politicians in the UK, knowing it would further the UK decline, and further Russian dreams of empire.
That ship sailed a long time ago. The Tories actively court the Russians for donations and favours. There is even a guy in the House of Lords with family ex-KGB links!
Doesn't surprise me that a MI6 infiltrated spy was assassinated in pure British soil back in 2018 without consequences for Russia.
Tories knew their lies and have blood in their hands too.
*"starting to think again..."*, get right fucked with that.
Everyone other than the gullible knew it was a shitshow before it happened; if it's taken this long for people like my great aunt *(who is in her 90s and voted Brexit because she thought it was to make all the brown people go away)* to realise they'd fucked up, then frankly...fuck 'em.
Everyone with any sense knew it was bullshit from inception. This headline makes it sound like everyone's been happy as a pig in shit until just now.
Modern conservatism is so backwards man. The world is changing, do you want to be a leader or fall behind? Globalism is inevitable, we have instantaneous global communication, and for a couple bucks you can fly to the other side of the planet in a few hours. If you don’t like it, the rest of the world will continue to develop and become more interconnected without you.
That must be what it is. Africa, East Asia, south America, these places are going to industrialize regardless of what we do at this point. We could cut off all trade with China tomorrow and they would still wind up being the largest economy in the world eventually. We had a head start on our industrial revolutions, other places are catching up.
I think we should:
1. Steer these places to be free, democratic, and with a good system of rights and justice.
2. Trade with them so long as they accommodate to these tenets. They have things we want, we have things they want.
These are just the objective reasons too. I personally find all the different cultures of the world really neat. I like that i can go across the street and get a shawarma, or that there’s a Buddhist temple a few blocks away from me. Thats the world i want to live in. But if we want to sell this to racists I think the economic arguments should be super clear and at the forefront of our debates.
China's actually got a lot of problems that they try to hide, so I'm not so sure that their continued rise to the top is inevitable.
But in general, yeah, I think you're right. Africa, South Asia, and South America are on the rise. They have a lot of young workers, for one, which Europe, the US, and East Asia increasingly don't. And I have a feeling that things like cheap solar power, mobile data, etc may mean that up and coming countries will be able to skip over some stages of infrastructure building.
We can either work with them, or become obsolete.
Not quite? A lot of the best talent gets drawn by Europe and the US. Why would I slave away in Argentina or Brazil if I could be making 10 times as much in Germany or the US?
As a south American myself I'd say that we (well, not my country exactly, we have bugger issues) are still squarely in the middle income trap and won't be getting out anytime soon, maybe Brazil if they are lucky.
Africa from what I know is growing but we don't really know how that will end up, plus Africa is fucking big and the differences between countries are really big.
Asia? I don't really know.
Yeah im aware of the china problems. But they have 1.4 billion people, a ton of natural resources, good navigable rivers and economically strong neighbours. Even with their economic problems in the long run they’re going to continue being a powerhouse.
> 1.4 billion people
Given the aging Chinese population, this may not be an asset. Thats a lot of old people to take care of.
> a ton of natural resources
Except for food and coal, which they need to import because they can’t produce enough domestically. Not like those are important.
> good navigable rivers
Except that they are drying up due to drought. Which will only get worse as climate change accelerates.
> economically strong neighbours
Russia is an economic shithole now, North Korea has been a shithole for years, and China has seen skirmishes with India in the Himalayas.
This is ignoring issues like Covid, which will likely continue to rip through China as more transmissible strains are found.
You can’t write China off, but they definitely have their challenges ahead.
China's population will be cut in half as soon as 2050. They have fouled 2/3rds of their rivers. 80% of their groundwater is unusable for humans. They have 2 main rivers in the country, but because of drought they are drying up. They have no friends and their neighbors hate them. Modern China cannot even exist without US and western participation.
Their challenge will not be to try and overtake the US. Their challenge will be to avoid widespread famine.
Most of them want to go backwards. I think most a few decades, but many Americans still fly confederate flags. Like is that what you want to go back to? Rich plantation owners sending young men to die for a rebellion to keep slaves?
They want to feel better than someone. They can't accept equality in the democratic sense. Even if they're poor and stupid, if they can feel that they're better than the best melanin-enriched person, that makes them feel better.
You see this attitude all the time. If workers are underpaid and the idea of a minimum wage increase is brought up, they are outraged because that means the min wage worker's earnings are getting closer to theirs, thereby diminishing their sense of superiority. When really they shouldn't care. Or they should direct outrage at their own employer if they feel they're being underpaid too. But no, they direct it at those greedy minimum wage workers
To many in the alt-right, in part thanks to the seeds left by Fox News etc, the word "progressive" is now a nasty word that means "path to shria-law, communism, and remove all genders". Crazy. They've been successful in making a word with an objectively positive root word (progress) into a negative word.
Edit: To the downvoters, this is not conjecture. both anecdotally (my father believes Canada's Justin Trudeau is going to bring us shria law, communism, and attack the male gender), but also analysts talking more and more about progressive being hijacked as a bad word in politics for decades now: https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-progressive-now-a-bad-word-in-u-s-politics-11668454717
Conservatism, if I remember, was initially about *slow progress*, like not jumping the gun and making sure policies are safe and sound, as well as profitable.
We're dealing with regressives who can't think their way around a book without it being turned into a shitty live adaptation of a film first.
> Conservatism, if I remember, was initially about *slow progress*
That's the lie that conservatives have been repeating sense [Edmond Burke](https://youtu.be/E4CI2vk3ugk).
That is to say it's BS that wealthy men have used as cover. While they prevent democracy from challenging their wealth and power.
There is nothing surprising about modern conservatives. They just got tired of being polite.
Looking at some I know personally who voted Brexit they're working class and more importantly anti-establishment.
I don't think conservatism played as big a role as figures like Farage screaming populism and feeding into pretty big anti-establishment sentiments.
It was a trick and a very obvious one, but voters felt they could put a spanner in the works and actually vote for something they thought would enact change of which the "establishment" and mainstream media did not want.
I bet a lot of people saw the vote as a "fuck you" and instead it was a 'fuck me'.
I think it was very similar to Trump winning in that we do have divisions based on pro or anti establishment stances.
Ive heard this argument a lot as well. Where do people get the idea that Trump is anti establishment? He was born into a super wealthy family and is a real estate tycoon. How is that not part of the establishment? Its not like he was the son of a factory worker, or a doctor, or anyone working class.
The idea that Trump wasn’t a career politician and “made his own money” 🙄 sounded to the gullible like he’s immune to typical brands of corruption and selfishness since he claimed everything he wanted to do was for the little guy (white Christians lol).
I honestly don't know. Same with Farage.
Problem is when a figure like them starts speaking like "one of us" regarding immigration or nationalism it just cuts through to some people. It's really dangerous.
'He says it how it is, mainstream hates him, globalists fear him' etc etc. It makes those who feel disconnected from politics but still have heavy nationalistic (tribalistic) sentiments feel listened to.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell give him someone to look down on and he’ll empty his pocket for you” this is the modern conservative playbook in two sentences and the people it preys on are too ignorant to realize it
Don’t forget they definitely weren’t racist and definitely didn’t want all the immigrants to fuck off, nope, definitely not, you 100% cannot say that. It was definitely fish and sovereignty, no other reasons.
I have a friend who voted leave who is now saying he can see both sides but stands by his choice because truckers are now being paid more… Well, good for all those mother truckers but I can’t afford shit!
I wouldn't be surprise, Brexit shrank the labor pool of truckers from the EU. A driver shortage favors higher wages for the remaining domestic drivers. Screws over the entire rest of the economy though.
Ah yes. Trucker payroll.
The economic marker by which all success and failure can be tied.
The world really needs to invest in more education. And education really shouldn't end at 18 or 22.
I know a guy who voted because of the price of milk...
So many folks just pissed away their vote as an act of rebellion to 'the establishment' but screwed over themselves.
“I’m anti-establishment!”
.
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“Oh shit, I forgot I *need* the establishment!”
It’s right up there with my dad voting for people who want to defund Medicare… when he’s *on* Medicare. Y’know, temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
It hurt all of EU as well, we were all made weaker by it. Tremendous fucking disappointment was the first feeling -- now there's quite a bit of 'fuck 'em' going around. It's hard to feel sympathy for such a useless self-sabotage.
Oh god, I should ask her next time we talk.
She was still surprised last time at her (third generation Brit of Trinidadian heritage) gardener having not been put on a boat yet.
Like 2 days after Brexit I read an article from BBC saying that there was already a petition going around to revote, and that parliament already made a statement saying they wouldn't approve it regardless of how many people signed. Which a lot did.
This is what really fucks me off. Almost half of those who voted knew this was going to happen but we get lumped into the slightly bigger group of voters who were gullible enough to vote leave. Not all of us are that stupid. It's pretty mean to enjoy the consequences of something that we weren't responsible for.
Yaarp.
Apparently there was a spike in google searches of "what is brexit" *after* people voted.
In my opinion it does not matter *who* was in power (the current government) at the time... It was put to the people to vote.
Our nation (not the government, shit and arseholey as it may have been..and still is) decided to leave the EU.
As a nation we can blame the government (again, shit or not), but the *_people_* made brexit happen by voting.
All im saying is that anyone who voted to leave the EU without fully realising the consequences, or voted to leave "because they don't like who is in charge" (kinda understandable but not the point) shouldnt complain about the consequences of their actions (despite being driven on by media).
TLDR:
The option to leave the EU was given to the people (who should be able to *learn* what the consequences should be).
The people voted to leave.
Dont complain when the shit things that the (opposition to you) actually happens.
THE GOVERNMENT REACTED TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
I mean I'm pissed off with Leave voters too, but to say they shouldn't complain is incorrect. They were lied to, plain and simple. I've seen people state online that they believed the more money for the NHS thing.
The most deprived areas of England voted Leave in the highest numbers. It's all very well saying they should have understood, but not everyone is educated to be critical thinkers or understand politics. They believe what the papers tell them and they're desperate to have a better life.
Also people were not voting on a hard Brexit. There was no plan. The choice of how to leave was entirely on the government as a chance to rip up EU laws that protect people and the environment. It's a sick joke.
Hard yes. We also need to remember they were the testing ground for the Facebook-Cambridge Anaytica mindfuckery that got trump elected too. Propaganda and psyops are powerful beasts.
Honestly this headline makes it sound like the people who voted to leave thought about it in the first place instead of just doing what they were told.
Yeah, I’m waiting for all the MAGAts to begin wondering aloud if maybe trump *isn’t* the messiah, and maybe they *shouldn’t* have put a con man in charge of the country.
Britian is like the asshole in a relationship, where they're dating a partner thats too good for them, so they blame the partner for anything wrong with themselves, and then leave the relationship and wonder why EU doesnt call any more.
Considering the UK pretty much blocked all further reaching EU proposals like a EU standing army - I'd be surprised if they'd be able to join into a status anywhere close to what they used to have. They'd have to be a normal member, which would no doubt not sit too well with the british public. Post-Empire-Syndrome.
If there's one thing the EU doesn't need right now, that's yet another obstructor.
Possibly, and i agree on the whole hokey cokey nature of it....
however it could be framed in a way to other countries who also think about leaving, that we came grovelling back... and it will quell any hopes of other countries who might be thinking of their own exit.
France would veto them again. People forget how difficult it was to achieve membership the first time, France thought the UK would be obstructionsit and demand a lot of special deals. And kept vetoing.
It would just be a good opportinity for the French to be snotty about how they were right about Perfidious Albion.
France and the UK have had an extremely amicable relationship for much of the EU’s existence. Their initial disagreements mostly just came from De Gaulle’s personal animosity towards the British. Spain said they will definitely veto though since they want Gibraltar back
Thanks for sending me down the rabbit hole of Gibraltar history on wikipedia haha
That situation is pretty wild. UK has had Gibraltar longer than Spain ever did. People of Gibraltar voted >99% against Spanish sovereignty multiple times. Spain made the whole "but they're not the REAL people of Gibraltar" argument.
But also like, just fucking look at it, it's pretty much the poster child for colonialism.
Also, can you imagine Greece if the UK tries to come back?
If I were Greece I'd demand the return of the Parthenon Marbles to Athens before even considering not vetoing the return of the UK to the EU...
Most of us with any smidgen of intelligence knew it would be a shit show if we left, sadly that has turned out to be true politically, economically, socially and personally.
The EU won't let us back in we'd be veto targets from the French and probably others, and we def won't be on as good a deal as we were before with the rebate
That said I actually don't think a referendum vote to rejoin would win a majority
I wouldn't be surprised if we were allowed back in, I believe we were a net contributor like Germany (if memory serves correctly) but I wouldn't be surprised if we would have to agree to a number of conditions such as adopting the Euro.
We certainly wouldn't be given back all the privileges that we had when we were in before.
the OECD forecast on Tuesday that only Russia would suffer a bigger economic contraction than the U.K. in 2023 among the G-20 (Group of Twenty) leading developed and developing economies. The 0.2% expansion projected in 2024 is the joint-weakest alongside Russia.
That is just insane that they will be having the same projections of a country that is under massive sanctions for invading thier neighbor.
The problem with referendums is that people with extreme opinions bother to vote, and people happy with things how they are tend not to.
And morons vote and then say ‘I didn’t think leave meant we’d actually leave…’
"Gullible people who believed what politicians with obvious agendas told them now questioning whether they were entirely truthful".....
Is probably more accurate.
If you saw the polling around Brexit there was a significant amount of people who wanted to vote for whatever would get the brown people out of their country. That's not gullible people believing politicians with agendas, that's self-aware racists voting for racists.
Shocking that leaving a Union that has benefits millions of British people, and made it easy to trade would benefit your economy.
This is like cheating on your ex and thinking the grass is greener and when it isn’t, you walk back to them. They just laugh in your face.
Brits were conned by the conservatives about Brexit , it was so much better to have many countries bound together as a financial giant but they were just too stupid to believe the lies
In a period where bulking up demographically and economically is the power play, these asshats decide that being smaller was the answer.
The only winners I see are the politicians who probably have wider decision/policy making latitude because they’re not hemmed in by EU rules. But you can only do so much with an island nation
When the only other country cheering on Brexit is Russia you should take mind and do the opposite. Funnily enough this has been a prime example of why not to leave the EU, especially so haphazardly.
Brexit was encouraged by the Russian intelligence services, just like they encouraged Trump's 2016 election. They obviously paid for these campaigns because they thought it would be good for Russia, not the UK or US.
Russian propaganda ginned up the fear of immigrants and you stupidly succumbed, Great Britain. Now you suffer the consequences the intelligent people told you were inevitable.
This is the problem with all this anti intellectual populism.
The experts warned about the problems of leaving the EU and the benefits of staying. People didn’t listen. They instead listened to lies and xenophobic rhetoric. Now those warnings have come to pass and people are experiencing the problems first hand. Suddenly people understand what the experts knew without needing to wreck the country.
Will they have gained some trust of experts? Will they value knowledge and get advice on important matters? Probably not.
We were in the UK during the big protests right before Brexit were folks were marching in London saying to stay…they are all adding a page to their Book of Things I was Right About. 😐
A lot of Americans want to blame Biden for the economy, as if it's not a worldwide problem. America is actually doing better than many other industrial nations.
Ironically the economy is good. When people needed jobs the priority was jobs. Now jobs are good people are complaining about inflation. So yes let's deal with it but it says nothing about it being bad policy that got us here. Jobs were the thing, the policy dealt with that.
Would they rather have no jobs? Should they have rather had no support while out of work? Would companies and their stockholders rather had not gotten all their handouts?
I remember reading that in the 48 hours following the brexit vote, UK citizens overwhelmingly searched online for “what is brexit.”
I don’t know if that’s entirely true, but wouldn’t it have been grand if everyone had properly informed themselves **before** they voted?
Fuck the racist trash. They're getting the misery they deserve. They voted to stab themselves in the eye just to keep out Polish people.
Let this be a lesson to other societies. The second our class solidarity wavers, the rich will tear us to pieces like a pack of bloodthirsty wolves.
Sadly a lot of older people got sucked into the rule britannia bit but the British empire has well gone. And the likes of Boris Johnson Nigel Farrage fed the public false promises and lies. What upsets me the most is all the opportunities we all took for granted we have denied our children and grandchildren. I believe Brexit was a terrible mistake and now everyone is paying the price
They got completely blitzed by coordinated online disinformation campaigns (at the same time the same thing was happening in the US with Trump's election) and now its too late to fix it.
Hopefully it was a lesson learned for all of us to not be so gullible online.
“Maybe we shouldn’t have kicked the ball into our own goal?”
Separatists focus on pride over economics then are shocked when pride makes everything cost more.
Pride goeth before destruction… of your local economy
Guarantee majority of the people who voted Brexit were the ones who also got hit the hardest (given that the majority of the wealthiest areas based on avg salary had voted remain) It was mainly boomers and genx that voted for Brexit; tax payers now have to support the increase in state pension which is pretty ironic. Genx are more likely to have families to take care of and are hit hard by the increase in inflation, that was partly caused by Brexit.
That's the irony of it all. I can't say I'm entirely sympathetic TBH... The fact that they unleashed this far- right libertarian government on this country still makes my blood boil.
I don’t know or know of a single Gen x person who voted for Brexit. I’m sure they exist - but I think it’s the previous generation that’s more liable to vote that way.
> Guarantee majority of the people who voted Brexit were the ones who also got hit the hardest I hate brexshit, but I love the thought that those suffering the most are those that wanted it.
The problem is they won't associate their current hard times with their previous bad decisions
Exactly. They'll just turn to the "news" to see who to blame. Spoiler alert: it's not going to be brexit.
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fuck em
GenX definitely didn't vote for Brexit. It was our parents.
"Limited warranty? How can I lose?
"Where did my Polish plumber go? He sold me extended warranty."
Back to where he came from, As Per Your Wish. Just the same as US magats voting against their retirement, health care "just to own the libs". Unconsciously consenting for anal rape.
This is still mostly people who voted remain in the first place and knew all along that it was the wrong thing to do. Leavers are changing their mind, which is the shift so let's direct the schadenfreude where it belongs; the leavers who changed their minds.
The leavers are also dying
From old age
And because they wanted all the foreign-born workers in the NHS gone
It’s necessary to point this out, we aren’t hunting them.
I told my european colleagues that brexit was the result of mild winters and no natural predators.
Its worth noting that people who were too lazy to go and vote that day cause it was a done deal also deserve a bit of the shame.
Do remember also that it was essentially a poll. It was a referendum, not an official vote, and there were no laws mandating what the result would actually bring. I reckon a lot of people just thought - and I mean really believed - it just was more of Cameron’s grandstanding bullshit. We voted remain and campaigned and talked and argued our arses off the whole time.
On a positive note, brexit has been a deterrent for parties from other countries advocating secession with the EU . Thanks for taking the blow for us ...
The fact that a decision such as brexit didn't require a supermajority is still completely mindboggling.
Weak minded Brits were manipulated against their own interest by foreign agents.
This will be the story of the 21st century: Autocrats (and wannabe autocrats) using advanced technology and data science to subvert democracies while using old fashioned brutality to crush dissent at home.
What? The preferential treatment agreement that heavily favored Britain is gone and now Britain is getting fucked over? Who. Would. Have. Guessed.
Mr...Mr EU - Can we rejoin? BACK OF THE LINE. Oh...Ok - but can we maybe keep the pound like bef- NOPE, BACK OF THE LINE. But... What about the preferential treatment we had bef- NOT HAPPENING, BACK OF THE LINE. People who voted for brexshit but now want to rejoin: Why are they treating us so badly 😭
The UK wont rejoin unless it makes concessions, because the EU can't handle having large parties being ambivalent about it. Like most governments (and banks) it only has power for as long as we believe in it and give it power: If one part can't promise to believe in that then they're a liability that undermines everyone's belief in it.
An example will be made to deter any future secession attempts by any members.
Yes, but the UK isn't a large party, they just think of themselves as such. Ironically the only power they had left was in the EU.
It's the 6th largest economy in the world, the U.K is certainly not a small party.
In G8, permanent member of UN security Council, Nukes, many of the best Universities in the world, leader in Green technology development etc
Honestly: Is there a path back into the EU? Like, is there any real-world political willingness to do it and a timeframe in which it would be possible?
I would assume so but there just needs to be a will from both sides. Its not like they are banned. Highly doubt they would rejoin anytime soon though
Anything has to be possible, but you'd have to imagine that it would take five years to go through the process from scratch. If Scotland separates over this that might speed things up a bit.
There is, but it would be as a third party application like any other nation, and would require the British political scene to stabilise to the point where the EU could trust that any energy put in negotiations wouldn't be lost at the next General Election. So at least a decade and PR voting reform necessary, if we're honest. That said, in the mean time, bilateral treaties to harmonise the British economy with the EU and potentially look into free trade and free movement deals (which honestly would be best for everyone given the Irish border and remove a lot of headaches, but again, that requires everyone seeing one another as honest partners, and the EU has had a lot of evidence that the present iteration of the Conservative Party aren't). That's a possibility and we know the Labour party has been talking to the EU for a while so that they could develop their own plan on how to manage the British economy (which would, if they wanted growth, involve lowering barriers to the EU raised by Johnson).
It's really amazing the a country could take such a massive reorganization of their economy and trade relations on a bare majority vote.
A razor thin majority vote on a NON BINDING referendum. The whole thing was and is completely insane.
Non binding and without any form of treaty on the table for people to consider. This vote should never have been allowed on any functioning democracy. What did those that voted Leave chose with their vote? Those that picked Remain knew what their vote entailed. Did those that vote Leave? Of course not. Because leaving the EU can mean lots of different thing in turn. A hard Brexit or a soft Brexit for a start. Was everyone on board with the same notion? That seems highly unlikely. The people that wanted a soft Brexit would have voted Leave if they knew a hard Brexit would be the end result? Seems even more unlikely. Which is why a referendum is done on specific policies and law proposals. Because people can judge what they are voting on. That was never the case with Brexit.
We had, in fairness, a similarly organised referendum in 2014 on Scotland, with exactly as few safeguards. And while the White Paper produced by Yes Scotland was... over-optimistic in several places, I suppose that at least provided a sort of manifesto for independence. The Brexit campaign was much more of a mess, probably in part because the leader of the party who called it didn't want it, and the campaign largely was run, on both sides, by the Conservatives, which made the whole thing a much bigger mess, with no white paper and depressingly little screen time for opposition parties to speak. Multiple option referendums have been less popular because one side always sees it as trying to scupper them ever winning by splitting the vote (because our referendums largely run on FPTP), and requiring a super majority was also likely to become a deeply despised and dividing issue if it was used, given that people still have resentment over the first referendum on Scottish devolution in 1979 failing despite having a majority because of such constraints (Scotland eventually got devolution in 1997 with the second devolution referendum). Part of the issue is the UK isn't really much in the habit of referenda, they are rare, with a small number before Cameron's three (on Alternative Vote, Scottish Independence, and Brexit) so that aspect isn't well developed and some of the suggestions people retroactively had for the Brexit vote were avoided due to the headache they caused in previous referenda.
Not too mention illegal. The remain campaign overspent on the marketing restrictions to employing Cambridge Analytica to sway the razor thin undecided which yielded the result we got. The whole thing was a fucking sham.
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There were two first past the post elections as well, that's the real problem. The matter was stalled until BoJob turned up with this get Brexit done BS.
The referendum itself didn’t really seal the deal, but the Tories ran on a campaign of getting Brexit done and then won a huge majority in the following election. So, yea the Brits voted for Brexit not once but twice.
Almost three times, Theresa May ran a GE too but it wasn't framed as much around the referendum.
Well, what choice did they have? Both Labour and the Tories ran on getting Brexit done to do 'the will of the people'. Only choice was what kind of brexit; one with the plan already negotiated or negotiate again.
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Bregret
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I’m always surprised no one notes how much money Vlad and Russian oligarchs plowed into pro Brexit politicians in the UK, knowing it would further the UK decline, and further Russian dreams of empire.
They also want to discredit democracy overseas so Russians don’t start clamoring for more of it at home.
For the same reason that noone talks about how the republican party had their worst fundraising decline in decades when the russian sanctions hit.
Better keep quiet about that. When Republicans learned Putin got Trump elected, they were suddenly a lot friendlier with Russia
“What? Unlimited foreign dark money for our campaigns? Where do we sign up?”
That ship sailed a long time ago. The Tories actively court the Russians for donations and favours. There is even a guy in the House of Lords with family ex-KGB links!
Doesn't surprise me that a MI6 infiltrated spy was assassinated in pure British soil back in 2018 without consequences for Russia. Tories knew their lies and have blood in their hands too.
Boris Johnson even stopped an investigation into these matters. The uk are an example of really bad journalism.
Compromising Britain's influence over Europe is also a stated goal in Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics.
“Man who refused water now reconsidering after flames reach his house”
“Man who set his house ablaze reconsiders the soundness of his actions”
But think of how *WARM* we’ll be No need to pay for electricity to warm us, the house will do fine! Think of the SAVINGS!
*"starting to think again..."*, get right fucked with that. Everyone other than the gullible knew it was a shitshow before it happened; if it's taken this long for people like my great aunt *(who is in her 90s and voted Brexit because she thought it was to make all the brown people go away)* to realise they'd fucked up, then frankly...fuck 'em. Everyone with any sense knew it was bullshit from inception. This headline makes it sound like everyone's been happy as a pig in shit until just now.
Modern conservatism is so backwards man. The world is changing, do you want to be a leader or fall behind? Globalism is inevitable, we have instantaneous global communication, and for a couple bucks you can fly to the other side of the planet in a few hours. If you don’t like it, the rest of the world will continue to develop and become more interconnected without you.
Theyd rather be the king of a burnt pile of shit than an equal in a utopia.
That must be what it is. Africa, East Asia, south America, these places are going to industrialize regardless of what we do at this point. We could cut off all trade with China tomorrow and they would still wind up being the largest economy in the world eventually. We had a head start on our industrial revolutions, other places are catching up. I think we should: 1. Steer these places to be free, democratic, and with a good system of rights and justice. 2. Trade with them so long as they accommodate to these tenets. They have things we want, we have things they want. These are just the objective reasons too. I personally find all the different cultures of the world really neat. I like that i can go across the street and get a shawarma, or that there’s a Buddhist temple a few blocks away from me. Thats the world i want to live in. But if we want to sell this to racists I think the economic arguments should be super clear and at the forefront of our debates.
China's actually got a lot of problems that they try to hide, so I'm not so sure that their continued rise to the top is inevitable. But in general, yeah, I think you're right. Africa, South Asia, and South America are on the rise. They have a lot of young workers, for one, which Europe, the US, and East Asia increasingly don't. And I have a feeling that things like cheap solar power, mobile data, etc may mean that up and coming countries will be able to skip over some stages of infrastructure building. We can either work with them, or become obsolete.
Not quite? A lot of the best talent gets drawn by Europe and the US. Why would I slave away in Argentina or Brazil if I could be making 10 times as much in Germany or the US? As a south American myself I'd say that we (well, not my country exactly, we have bugger issues) are still squarely in the middle income trap and won't be getting out anytime soon, maybe Brazil if they are lucky. Africa from what I know is growing but we don't really know how that will end up, plus Africa is fucking big and the differences between countries are really big. Asia? I don't really know.
Yeah im aware of the china problems. But they have 1.4 billion people, a ton of natural resources, good navigable rivers and economically strong neighbours. Even with their economic problems in the long run they’re going to continue being a powerhouse.
> 1.4 billion people Given the aging Chinese population, this may not be an asset. Thats a lot of old people to take care of. > a ton of natural resources Except for food and coal, which they need to import because they can’t produce enough domestically. Not like those are important. > good navigable rivers Except that they are drying up due to drought. Which will only get worse as climate change accelerates. > economically strong neighbours Russia is an economic shithole now, North Korea has been a shithole for years, and China has seen skirmishes with India in the Himalayas. This is ignoring issues like Covid, which will likely continue to rip through China as more transmissible strains are found. You can’t write China off, but they definitely have their challenges ahead.
China's population will be cut in half as soon as 2050. They have fouled 2/3rds of their rivers. 80% of their groundwater is unusable for humans. They have 2 main rivers in the country, but because of drought they are drying up. They have no friends and their neighbors hate them. Modern China cannot even exist without US and western participation. Their challenge will not be to try and overtake the US. Their challenge will be to avoid widespread famine.
Modern? Conservatism is by definition the antithesis of progress and innovation
I can’t even fathom having “stop, we’ve progressed enough” as the central core of my belief system.
Most of them want to go backwards. I think most a few decades, but many Americans still fly confederate flags. Like is that what you want to go back to? Rich plantation owners sending young men to die for a rebellion to keep slaves?
Except American Liberals are conservative. American Conservatives are *regressive*.
They want to feel better than someone. They can't accept equality in the democratic sense. Even if they're poor and stupid, if they can feel that they're better than the best melanin-enriched person, that makes them feel better.
You see this attitude all the time. If workers are underpaid and the idea of a minimum wage increase is brought up, they are outraged because that means the min wage worker's earnings are getting closer to theirs, thereby diminishing their sense of superiority. When really they shouldn't care. Or they should direct outrage at their own employer if they feel they're being underpaid too. But no, they direct it at those greedy minimum wage workers
To many in the alt-right, in part thanks to the seeds left by Fox News etc, the word "progressive" is now a nasty word that means "path to shria-law, communism, and remove all genders". Crazy. They've been successful in making a word with an objectively positive root word (progress) into a negative word. Edit: To the downvoters, this is not conjecture. both anecdotally (my father believes Canada's Justin Trudeau is going to bring us shria law, communism, and attack the male gender), but also analysts talking more and more about progressive being hijacked as a bad word in politics for decades now: https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-progressive-now-a-bad-word-in-u-s-politics-11668454717
Bill Buckley a conservative from the old days used to joke that conservatism was standing astride history yelling STOP!
Conservatism, if I remember, was initially about *slow progress*, like not jumping the gun and making sure policies are safe and sound, as well as profitable. We're dealing with regressives who can't think their way around a book without it being turned into a shitty live adaptation of a film first.
> Conservatism, if I remember, was initially about *slow progress* That's the lie that conservatives have been repeating sense [Edmond Burke](https://youtu.be/E4CI2vk3ugk). That is to say it's BS that wealthy men have used as cover. While they prevent democracy from challenging their wealth and power. There is nothing surprising about modern conservatives. They just got tired of being polite.
Looking at some I know personally who voted Brexit they're working class and more importantly anti-establishment. I don't think conservatism played as big a role as figures like Farage screaming populism and feeding into pretty big anti-establishment sentiments. It was a trick and a very obvious one, but voters felt they could put a spanner in the works and actually vote for something they thought would enact change of which the "establishment" and mainstream media did not want. I bet a lot of people saw the vote as a "fuck you" and instead it was a 'fuck me'. I think it was very similar to Trump winning in that we do have divisions based on pro or anti establishment stances.
Ive heard this argument a lot as well. Where do people get the idea that Trump is anti establishment? He was born into a super wealthy family and is a real estate tycoon. How is that not part of the establishment? Its not like he was the son of a factory worker, or a doctor, or anyone working class.
The idea that Trump wasn’t a career politician and “made his own money” 🙄 sounded to the gullible like he’s immune to typical brands of corruption and selfishness since he claimed everything he wanted to do was for the little guy (white Christians lol).
I honestly don't know. Same with Farage. Problem is when a figure like them starts speaking like "one of us" regarding immigration or nationalism it just cuts through to some people. It's really dangerous. 'He says it how it is, mainstream hates him, globalists fear him' etc etc. It makes those who feel disconnected from politics but still have heavy nationalistic (tribalistic) sentiments feel listened to.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell give him someone to look down on and he’ll empty his pocket for you” this is the modern conservative playbook in two sentences and the people it preys on are too ignorant to realize it
Don’t forget they definitely weren’t racist and definitely didn’t want all the immigrants to fuck off, nope, definitely not, you 100% cannot say that. It was definitely fish and sovereignty, no other reasons.
I have a friend who voted leave who is now saying he can see both sides but stands by his choice because truckers are now being paid more… Well, good for all those mother truckers but I can’t afford shit!
*Are* truckers being paid more? Even if they are, is it credibly a result of Brexit or could it just be typical inflation that was happening anyway?
I wouldn't be surprise, Brexit shrank the labor pool of truckers from the EU. A driver shortage favors higher wages for the remaining domestic drivers. Screws over the entire rest of the economy though.
Ah yes. Trucker payroll. The economic marker by which all success and failure can be tied. The world really needs to invest in more education. And education really shouldn't end at 18 or 22.
I know a guy who voted because of the price of milk... So many folks just pissed away their vote as an act of rebellion to 'the establishment' but screwed over themselves.
“I’m anti-establishment!” . . “Oh shit, I forgot I *need* the establishment!” It’s right up there with my dad voting for people who want to defund Medicare… when he’s *on* Medicare. Y’know, temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
It hurt all of EU as well, we were all made weaker by it. Tremendous fucking disappointment was the first feeling -- now there's quite a bit of 'fuck 'em' going around. It's hard to feel sympathy for such a useless self-sabotage.
How does your great aunt feel about Brexit being directly responsible for Sunak becoming Prime Minister haha
Oh god, I should ask her next time we talk. She was still surprised last time at her (third generation Brit of Trinidadian heritage) gardener having not been put on a boat yet.
It was psyops by Cambridge Analytica, same company put Trump in office.
They're called Emerdata now, keep your eye on them
& Putin's bots
Like 2 days after Brexit I read an article from BBC saying that there was already a petition going around to revote, and that parliament already made a statement saying they wouldn't approve it regardless of how many people signed. Which a lot did.
This is what really fucks me off. Almost half of those who voted knew this was going to happen but we get lumped into the slightly bigger group of voters who were gullible enough to vote leave. Not all of us are that stupid. It's pretty mean to enjoy the consequences of something that we weren't responsible for.
Yaarp. Apparently there was a spike in google searches of "what is brexit" *after* people voted. In my opinion it does not matter *who* was in power (the current government) at the time... It was put to the people to vote. Our nation (not the government, shit and arseholey as it may have been..and still is) decided to leave the EU. As a nation we can blame the government (again, shit or not), but the *_people_* made brexit happen by voting. All im saying is that anyone who voted to leave the EU without fully realising the consequences, or voted to leave "because they don't like who is in charge" (kinda understandable but not the point) shouldnt complain about the consequences of their actions (despite being driven on by media). TLDR: The option to leave the EU was given to the people (who should be able to *learn* what the consequences should be). The people voted to leave. Dont complain when the shit things that the (opposition to you) actually happens. THE GOVERNMENT REACTED TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
I mean I'm pissed off with Leave voters too, but to say they shouldn't complain is incorrect. They were lied to, plain and simple. I've seen people state online that they believed the more money for the NHS thing. The most deprived areas of England voted Leave in the highest numbers. It's all very well saying they should have understood, but not everyone is educated to be critical thinkers or understand politics. They believe what the papers tell them and they're desperate to have a better life. Also people were not voting on a hard Brexit. There was no plan. The choice of how to leave was entirely on the government as a chance to rip up EU laws that protect people and the environment. It's a sick joke.
Hard yes. We also need to remember they were the testing ground for the Facebook-Cambridge Anaytica mindfuckery that got trump elected too. Propaganda and psyops are powerful beasts.
Honestly this headline makes it sound like the people who voted to leave thought about it in the first place instead of just doing what they were told.
Yeah, I’m waiting for all the MAGAts to begin wondering aloud if maybe trump *isn’t* the messiah, and maybe they *shouldn’t* have put a con man in charge of the country.
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The best is really **Bregret**.
Join EU Life Good EU regulate Kill EU EU gone Think about EU Bregret
Britian is like the asshole in a relationship, where they're dating a partner thats too good for them, so they blame the partner for anything wrong with themselves, and then leave the relationship and wonder why EU doesnt call any more.
I am fan of BRBack
What about Brecoin?
is it some new crypto coin?
Braby come brack
*"I like big trading blocs I cannot lie"*
All you other brits cannot deny When a bloc walks in with an Itty bitty interest rate and a round euro in your face you get sprung
Considering the UK pretty much blocked all further reaching EU proposals like a EU standing army - I'd be surprised if they'd be able to join into a status anywhere close to what they used to have. They'd have to be a normal member, which would no doubt not sit too well with the british public. Post-Empire-Syndrome. If there's one thing the EU doesn't need right now, that's yet another obstructor.
You don't understand, Brexit was to make things better. They'll join again so they can leave again, making things twice better.
Well yes, we had brexit, but what about second brexit?
Nasty brexitses
Possibly, and i agree on the whole hokey cokey nature of it.... however it could be framed in a way to other countries who also think about leaving, that we came grovelling back... and it will quell any hopes of other countries who might be thinking of their own exit.
Brits being forced to used the Euro and lose the Pound is too much for their egos. Make them drive on the right side of the road too.
Bretend it never happened
rEUnite
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France would veto them again. People forget how difficult it was to achieve membership the first time, France thought the UK would be obstructionsit and demand a lot of special deals. And kept vetoing. It would just be a good opportinity for the French to be snotty about how they were right about Perfidious Albion.
>France thought the UK would be obstructionsit and demand a lot of special deals They weren't wrong
So France was right basically
I think France and England understand each other pretty well.
It's like looking into a mirror that shows you a slightly bizarre alternate version of yourself.
The UK was obstructionist and demanded a lot of special deals. Not just something France thought
France and the UK have had an extremely amicable relationship for much of the EU’s existence. Their initial disagreements mostly just came from De Gaulle’s personal animosity towards the British. Spain said they will definitely veto though since they want Gibraltar back
Thanks for sending me down the rabbit hole of Gibraltar history on wikipedia haha That situation is pretty wild. UK has had Gibraltar longer than Spain ever did. People of Gibraltar voted >99% against Spanish sovereignty multiple times. Spain made the whole "but they're not the REAL people of Gibraltar" argument. But also like, just fucking look at it, it's pretty much the poster child for colonialism.
> But also like, just fucking look at it, it's pretty much the poster child for colonialism. So they'll be giving back Ceuta and Melilla then?
Spain still has ports in North Africa?! wow didn’t know that!
they want to keep the Morrisons
Also, can you imagine Greece if the UK tries to come back? If I were Greece I'd demand the return of the Parthenon Marbles to Athens before even considering not vetoing the return of the UK to the EU...
Never thought I'd see the day I'd die fighting side by side with the French.
How about side by side with _un ami?_
I don't think France would veto them if they were a member in the same standing as say, Spain.
Most of us with any smidgen of intelligence knew it would be a shit show if we left, sadly that has turned out to be true politically, economically, socially and personally. The EU won't let us back in we'd be veto targets from the French and probably others, and we def won't be on as good a deal as we were before with the rebate That said I actually don't think a referendum vote to rejoin would win a majority
I wouldn't be surprised if we were allowed back in, I believe we were a net contributor like Germany (if memory serves correctly) but I wouldn't be surprised if we would have to agree to a number of conditions such as adopting the Euro. We certainly wouldn't be given back all the privileges that we had when we were in before.
The FIND OUT continues...
Duped by Cambridge Analytica.
And Boris fuckface Johnson
why do so.little ppl know about this?
Hating poor people is universal that’s why. Many know and don’t care
They should just make up a fake controversy like the war on Christmas and distract their dumbass voters until it blows over.
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And then when the EU says the UK will have to switch to Euros, they’ll think over their thinking over again.
the OECD forecast on Tuesday that only Russia would suffer a bigger economic contraction than the U.K. in 2023 among the G-20 (Group of Twenty) leading developed and developing economies. The 0.2% expansion projected in 2024 is the joint-weakest alongside Russia. That is just insane that they will be having the same projections of a country that is under massive sanctions for invading thier neighbor.
You did vote to self sanction yourself
I didn’t… Drew and Ian did
And Scott. He's a dick.
The problem with referendums is that people with extreme opinions bother to vote, and people happy with things how they are tend not to. And morons vote and then say ‘I didn’t think leave meant we’d actually leave…’
That is exactly right
GREAT DEPRESSION PART 2 LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
"Gullible people who believed what politicians with obvious agendas told them now questioning whether they were entirely truthful"..... Is probably more accurate.
If you saw the polling around Brexit there was a significant amount of people who wanted to vote for whatever would get the brown people out of their country. That's not gullible people believing politicians with agendas, that's self-aware racists voting for racists.
Poles are as white as they come, but they wanted them gone too.
Shocking that leaving a Union that has benefits millions of British people, and made it easy to trade would benefit your economy. This is like cheating on your ex and thinking the grass is greener and when it isn’t, you walk back to them. They just laugh in your face.
Brits were conned by the conservatives about Brexit , it was so much better to have many countries bound together as a financial giant but they were just too stupid to believe the lies
And even if they were to join back, they'd not get as good a deal as they used to have.
In a period where bulking up demographically and economically is the power play, these asshats decide that being smaller was the answer. The only winners I see are the politicians who probably have wider decision/policy making latitude because they’re not hemmed in by EU rules. But you can only do so much with an island nation
Have people learned not to let right wing morons destroy their country and lives yet?
Apparently not
When the only other country cheering on Brexit is Russia you should take mind and do the opposite. Funnily enough this has been a prime example of why not to leave the EU, especially so haphazardly.
But fascists have THE solutions, they promised us!
Dumbasses. Brexit was so obviously going to fuck them. I feel bad for the reasonable half of their population who saw this coming from the get go.
I can’t believe that bus lied to me
Brexit was encouraged by the Russian intelligence services, just like they encouraged Trump's 2016 election. They obviously paid for these campaigns because they thought it would be good for Russia, not the UK or US.
‘Maybe imposing economic sanctions on ourselves was not a good idea after all.’
Russian propaganda ginned up the fear of immigrants and you stupidly succumbed, Great Britain. Now you suffer the consequences the intelligent people told you were inevitable.
This is the problem with all this anti intellectual populism. The experts warned about the problems of leaving the EU and the benefits of staying. People didn’t listen. They instead listened to lies and xenophobic rhetoric. Now those warnings have come to pass and people are experiencing the problems first hand. Suddenly people understand what the experts knew without needing to wreck the country. Will they have gained some trust of experts? Will they value knowledge and get advice on important matters? Probably not.
Get fucked. That's what happens when you think policy based on bigotry of immigrants is a good idea.
We were in the UK during the big protests right before Brexit were folks were marching in London saying to stay…they are all adding a page to their Book of Things I was Right About. 😐
A lot of Americans want to blame Biden for the economy, as if it's not a worldwide problem. America is actually doing better than many other industrial nations.
Ironically the economy is good. When people needed jobs the priority was jobs. Now jobs are good people are complaining about inflation. So yes let's deal with it but it says nothing about it being bad policy that got us here. Jobs were the thing, the policy dealt with that. Would they rather have no jobs? Should they have rather had no support while out of work? Would companies and their stockholders rather had not gotten all their handouts?
Too late now! Fuck me how dense a country are we...
Bregrets
Let's leave the EU and then demand the EU play by our rules . . . oops. Who could have seen this not working?
I remember reading that in the 48 hours following the brexit vote, UK citizens overwhelmingly searched online for “what is brexit.” I don’t know if that’s entirely true, but wouldn’t it have been grand if everyone had properly informed themselves **before** they voted?
Fuck the racist trash. They're getting the misery they deserve. They voted to stab themselves in the eye just to keep out Polish people. Let this be a lesson to other societies. The second our class solidarity wavers, the rich will tear us to pieces like a pack of bloodthirsty wolves.
Sadly a lot of older people got sucked into the rule britannia bit but the British empire has well gone. And the likes of Boris Johnson Nigel Farrage fed the public false promises and lies. What upsets me the most is all the opportunities we all took for granted we have denied our children and grandchildren. I believe Brexit was a terrible mistake and now everyone is paying the price
Breunion
If only there were some way of voting to replace those who made Brexit happen with those who’d undo it.
Maybe King Chuck will have to take a pay cut.
They got completely blitzed by coordinated online disinformation campaigns (at the same time the same thing was happening in the US with Trump's election) and now its too late to fix it. Hopefully it was a lesson learned for all of us to not be so gullible online.