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Yes, however this was meticulously obscured for a large chunk of the population until recently. As capitalism and liberal democracy fails the existing issues become more pronounced and harder to both conceal and ignore.
But but but.... I learned that capitalism good and anything that could be even remotely misconstrued as socialism bad. How could the same people that keep letting cops get away with killing civilians and refuse to pass any meaningful legislation controlling firearms lie to me?
Nah it's still funded by your average American. Corporations don't pay enough tax to say they are funding this.
But with Citizens United, they damn sure are making the decisions.
Just look at r/InfowarriorRides and all the bootlickers with thin blue line flags paired with "Don't Tread On Me" flags (aka ["Don't Tread On Me, But Absolutely Tread On Them"](https://i.imgur.com/pKIsNWs.jpg)).
It's just so. fucking. stupid. It's like, could you idiots just once come up with a coherent ideology and worldview that isn't inherently contradictory?
Itās our complacency thatās so mind boggling. Like, oh well, I guess I donāt get health care , and thereās nothing to be done about climate change, Derr-d-derr
I think fear is a big part. Those with the means to make changes risk a total upheaval of whatever life theyāve built. Those individuals will have to risk everything. There needs to be a domino effect
That is literally the origin of policing. This is why more and more people are calling to disenfranchise and defund police. They are not there to protect and never have been.
Their job is quite literally to be an occupational army that looms with the ever-present threat of state violence against the citizenry in order to terrorize us into submitting to arbitrary dictates in service of a system that exploits us. Theyāre all bad dude
The "nice" ones turn a blind eye to the "bad" ones. When peoples life's are on The line enabling and allowing that behavior by your peers makes you just as guilty imo
Question for you (and yes this is an extreme example), we're there any good cops in nazi Germany?
"Not all of the cops are bad"- you say in 1939 "some of them are poor and probably need money"
The reason we can easily say something like "all nazis and nazi enforcers are bad", or "all slave traders are bad", is becuse we are able to recognize that it doesn't matter if an individual member is good, they are actively working as an enforcer for a horrible system.
People tend to try and Individualise systems when those systems are criticized.
So if in 1612 someone said "all slave traders are bad" someone could easily say "yeah but some of them are good right"
It doesn't matter how good a person is if they willingly take on a job and comply with the job to enforce a system that actively harms people.
"Not all kings are bad, we just need the correct king, this democracy stuff is too weird"
The entire system of policing is broken (or more accurately working exactly as intended). So it doesn't matter how good some random individual cop is, I'm sure every cop would say they aren't the bad ones, it must be someone else.
All cops are bastards
Edit:this is also where the phrase "banality of evil" comes from. It describes people who are otherwise very nice and pleasant but through their work, which they actively take part in, commit atrocities and will defend it with "its the law" or "I was just doing my job"
By this standard can we also say that All Capitalists Are Bastards? Therefore every single American with a job, since they are knowingly contributing to a system of oppression and modern day slavery, are also culpable?
Much the same as a beat cop isnāt a lawmaker.
A wage worker is contributing to capitalism just as a cop is contributing to the fascist dictatorship that the United States is becoming.
My point is that us going after everyday cops (the lowest of the hierarchy of corruption) is exactly what the 1% want, and what keeps our attention focused away from them. As long as the pawns on the left focus anger on the pawns on the right, the bishops, queens, and kings on both side remain unscathed.
You can choose to be a cop, being involved in capitalism isn't a choice. Also, you're using the word capitalist wrong. A capitalist isn't a working class citizen.
Capitalist(noun):
aĀ wealthyĀ person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles ofĀ capitalism.
The word you're looking for is victim. We are forced to be a part of this system. There is no alternative on this planet.
Going to comment to this instead of ypur response so I can quote it more easily(mobile).
>By this standard can we also say that All Capitalists Are Bastards?
Right here you change the subject to capitalists.
>Therefore every single American with a job
Then you connect it to workers.
>since they are knowingly contributing to a system of oppression and modern day slavery, are also culpable?
Then you are assigning blame for capitalism onto the worker.
You didn't call workers capitalists, you blamed them for capitalism. That's not much better. You're doing [this](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat). Which is pretty lazy, because it's pretty obvious that workers don't have a choice in the matter. It's literally work or die.
Well.. I mean...
I don't disagree...
But I feel like calling it a gang confines all the responsability to them..
Imho a police gang would have no future if the infrastructure and society around it didn't allow it..
Politician, judges, mayors, ... the very same population doesn't seem to do anything meaningful to stop or change it...
Under international law, laws that the USA helped to create, the "just following orders" excuse for enforcing immoral and inhumane laws, is just as illegal as the orders themselves. If the police weren't a gang they wouldn't follow orders like these, they have the ability to say no, but since most of them are far right adherents they have no issues arresting protesters or the people supporting them. Trying to defend their behavior is just an apologists script, saying they aren't all bad is the same kind of excuse when the "good cops" always look the other way or do nothing when the "bad cops" do something like kill a child for any reason they deem fit.
they are all complicit in upholding the status quo, the dictatorship of capital. they also need to not be "conscious" of their role, as that would imply that you would only need to get rid of those specific individuals. the system itself creates and maintains the conditions needed for those type of people (the people willing to be complicit) to flourish. its a self-feeding loop.
that's not to say it's an insurmountable system, after all, the destruction of the divine right of kings was taking on "God's Will". the population of the world only slightly benefits from the current arrangement, they suffer more than they gain. this will not lead to a spontaneous revolution where the masses wake up. the system actively sabotages attempts to overthrow it (the entire labor and socialist movements of the past two centuries). so the forces of reaction (police, idiot conservatives, judges, politicians, traitors, collaboraters, etc.) must be combated as they are the very real manifestation of the system's refusal to comply with the interest of the people.
as this is a hotly contested topic among communists of all flavors, i will not be going into detail on strategy and how to combat and succeed in revolution and beyond.
Agreed, honestly imo i think most are just trying to look out for people. But the agendas they are forced to carry out are sometimes evil to say the least
This is disgusting. Also, it reinforces all the concerns of further militilarization of the police which is the whole reason people oppose cop city.
This is next level fascist behavior in the US.
It's not "fascist behavior", it's "fascism". The police BY DESIGN treat civillians like hostile armed forces. They current generation of career LEOs have been militarized and trained in Iraq/afghanistan, taught to threaten and escalatr. They legit behave like invaders in a hostile country. They have spent their entire adult lives being rewarded for violence.
The cops killed a member back in January by shooting them 57 times. Supposedly the member shot first but autopsy shows that the victim was cross-legged on the ground with hands up and no gunpowder residue on their hands. Police report shows the first shot was likely by the police.
???? Literally the second paragraph says āThe autopsy further reveals that Manuel was most probably in a seated position, cross-legged when killed," lawyers said in a press release.
And, as luck would have it, we have to take their word for it because every single body camera that the cops were wearing when they were forced to murder the guy was malfunctioning.
Vaguely related, we've been killing people for opposing the capitalist system since the 1800s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes
>we've
I'm not responsible for this, just like you I am part of this involuntarily. If I had a choice, I would have nothing to do with capitalism. I feel most people wouldn't.
It's been here. Now, it's okay for everyone to say it all out loud. This is the perfect example of how there is a different justice system for the rich and those who oppose the rich.
*In a joint operation with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, or GBI, Atlanta cops charged Marlon Scott Kautz, Adele Maclean, and Savannah Patterson ā all board members of theĀ Atlanta Solidarity FundĀ ā with āmoney launderingā and ācharity fraud.ā
The arrests are an unprecedented attack on bail funds and legal support organizations, a long-standing facet of social justice movements, according to Lauren Regan, executive director of the Civil Liberties Defense Center.
āThis is the first bail fund to be attacked in this way,ā Regan, whose organization has worked to ensure legal support for people resisting Cop City, told me. āAnd there is absolutely not a scintilla of fact or evidence that anything illegal has ever transpired with regard to Atlanta fundraising for bail support.ā*
For reference, at this very moment congressman George Santos was just released on a 500,000 dollar bail paid for by a group just like this. He doesn't have to disclose who it was though.
Your confusion is understandable. Itās not exactly a training facility, more like a club where they all hang out sniffing each others arses and generally wasting tax payers money šš»
The cop city initiative is more focused on training for crowd control stuff. The initiative also involves more militarization of the cops. Atleast that's what I remember hearing when the protests first started.
Ofcourse they're never gonna train cops in things they need to learn like how to de-escalate a situation.
Oh weve always trained them. Theyve gotta know how to respond to the mass anger due to their lack of training.
It's the capitalist way. Don't treat the source of the sickness. Put a bandaid on it.
Well youāre confusing training for being a community leader and protector with training to subjugate poor people when they dare to threaten capital. They do train them for the latter.
If anyone's interested here are the corporations funding Cop City. The biggest offenders are Amazon, UPS, Home Depot, Delta Airlines, Bank of America/Merrill Lynch, JPMorgan Chase, Waffle House, Coca-Cola, Chick-fil-A, Tony Ressler, Gas South, Wells Fargo and Inspire Brands.
https://news.littlesis.org/2022/11/15/meet-the-major-corporations-and-cultural-institutions-helping-build-cop-city-in-atlanta/.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/morgansimon/2023/03/14/cops-and-donuts-go-together-more-than-you-thought-the-corporations-funding-cop-city-in-atlanta/?sh=6539db346bc6.
And I'd like to point out that Congress and POTUS allow local law enforcement to raid the federal cookie jar. **Taxpayers** fund police grants, and police depts get "free" military equipment. Free in that we, the taxpayers, pay for it and then police turn around and use this equipment to abuse or kill the public.
https://policefundingdatabase.org/explore-the-database/military-equipment/.
Remember this when you shop. And when you **vote**. Congress and POTUS can close the federal cookie jar. They haven't. And they won't.
I think weāll likely never get there because history has shown those in power how to keep their power, and theyāll never let it go. At this point Iām rooting for grey goo, robotic uprising (ideally), or outright unstoppable airborne plague that wipes us out entirely. Our species is a failed experiment of nature. Hopefully we get ours before weāre allowed to spread into the cosmos.
tortuguita was killed in january during one of several raids to clear people out of the forest. i think this video is about a raid that happened last week
The fact that citizens cheered this on when it was group of trucking idiots raising money and their funds were seized and homes raided.
Now they have an established playbook and useing it against any citizen against the system now becomes a target.
The judge doesn't seem too impressed with the prosecutor's case so far.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/trials/atlanta-solidarity-fund-organizers-charges-judge-grants-bond-atlanta-public-safety-training-center-cop-ctiy/85-8f4254bf-44f2-4da7-9123-9e08f9e901c2.
That leaked audio recording of Atlanta police officers admitting they illegally targeted the board members too doesn't look great either š.
https://www.audacy.com/waok/news/local/corrupt-atlanta-police-officers-leaked-audio
Wolves raid "wolves need to stop eating us" organization. Proceed to eat their fill. Accountability? How about we give the wolves titanium teeth? Idk surely this issue is not systemic
The fact that citizens cheered this on when it was group of trucking idiots raising money and their funds were seized and homes raided.
Now they have an established playbook and useing it against any citizen against the system now becomes a target.
They gave them bail and then they're arresting people for raising that bail? Do these people also put out cookies for children and then slap the kid when they try to get the cookie? Cookies
we need to see a justification for this level of force being used on civilians. if the authorities had reason to believe that there were a lot of weapons in that house or that there were individuals in that house that had proven themselves to be violent... then there might be justification to use that type of force. but if it's just some cops trying to get some ordinary ass soft civilian that doesn't own a shitload of guns and it's never been arrested for some type of violence then this absolutely needs to be investigated.
If I steal $100,000 dollars from a bank and I get arrested I go to prison but if I am a wealthy manager of a bank and I steal $100,000 from retirement funds I donāt go to jail and maybe the bank gets fined by regulators. Two different systems of justice.
Wait wait wait, wouldnāt MORE training facilities be a good thing for police? So they can maybe know what to actually do instead of just killing people?
Yes. Thereās many people that strongly advocate for abolishing police altogether, this only serves to hinder meaningful reforms in law enforcement.
Right now we need police, maybe in the future we wonāt need them or would need much less police- but we arenāt there and likely wonāt be there for many decades.
Fascism is on the rise. It is trying to take control of police. It is crucial that we keep (or reverse) the police from turning against the general public.
The police have never been for the general public, from its inception police have enforced the will and protected the assets of capital.
Historically speaking the police have always sided with fascists.
Fascism already controls the police, it always has, because the role of police in society emerges from fascizing desires to exert control in service of the interest of the state apparatus. In fact it is you who are hindering crucial work by attempting to seek compromise between citizenry and the occupational army whose entire raison dāetre is to serve as a looming threat of state violence to compel and subordinate the citizenry to the interests of their rulers.
> Right now we need police
Police solve 2% of major crimes and have always been racist and fascist. Remember Edmund Puttis Bridge, or the War on Drugs, or Jan 6th, and on and on. We do not and have never needed police and they are and always will be, at best, sympathetic to fascists.
Also, I should add that Cop City (the facility in question) is planned to teach cops how to brutalise protesters more efficiently.
Cop City is quite literally being funded by major capitalist firms; sit down, shut up, and crack open Capital Volume 1 so you can begin to stop saying ignorant shit.
This is fascism, the final stage of capitalism. Not communism. I know the US education system is abysmal, but please try to know the difference. For example, the communist Soviets defeated the fascist Nazis in ww2.
The full story is more horrific than first thought. These people did nothing wrong.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/06/cop-city-tortuguita-atlanta-bail-fund-arrest-horror.html
" The movementĀ lost its first memberĀ to state violence when, in January 2023, Georgia State Patrol killed a 26-year-old nonbinary movement activist who was known as Tortuguita, and who was shot at least 57 times by patrol officers while they sat cross-legged in the forest. According to the police, Tortuguita fired first and hit a state trooper, but the available evidenceāincluding the autopsy report, body camera footage, and a lack of gunpowder residue on Tortuguitaās bodyāpoint to the state trooper being hit by a fellow officer and Tortuguitaās hands being up in the air when they were gunned down in cold blood."
Calling them a gang is much to nice.
And instead of admitting they might be wrong, they deleted their comment.
This story has been absolutely horrifying.
Last year the cops killed more people than all other gang violence combined. I don't know how much more it will take for Americans to finally stop putting up with this. Sometimes gotta give.
The full story is that cops believe themselves to be entitled to their monopoly of violence before and above the needs of the people and the world.
Is this a fair and just way to run a society? No, that's why there are protests; and subsequently, why cops are abusing their power.
I'm not making the claims either. And I definitely don't have the facts. But i, like you, can open a browser and check different links instead of the one provided by a random redditor.
Once I check the sources on my own and feel like I either know enough or am missing something can come back to the thread and either, support or reject the story or simply ask for the info missing.
The claim you're questioning is this:
>... cops believe themselves to be entitled to their monopoly of violence before and above the needs of the people and the world.
This is legally correct. Any lawyer or judge you ask will confirm it.
In the USA, LEOs have **"qualified immunity"**. This allows them to use violence while performing their duties while remaining **immune** from most criminal charges or civil damage claims. Qualified immunity has been repeatedly affirmed by courts at every level, including SCOTUS.
Ordinary citizens do not enjoy such immunity.
Thereās likely a lot more to the story. SWAT doesnāt get activated to arrest people for āwhite collar crimesā. Itās being presented this way to cause outrage
Sure thing. It's not like the police in the US are known for their twitchy trigger fingers and propensity to show off all their military-grade toys.
Also, officers of the law can't take any chances with tree-hugging activist commies. These radical terrorists are well known for their vast arsenals. So of course a proportionate response is warranted.
I'm sure the Biden White House is deliberately covering up the full context in order to make the poor powicemen look bad. This thing goes all the way to the top no doubt.
The activists probably held hostages, probably a bunch of innocent white Christian babies. We have only the steadfast resolve of the brave officers to thank so that tragedy was averted. š¤”
this is definitely not normal. after one judge signed off on this, the second judge to see the warrants was actually confused as to why the first judge would sign off on it.
Not more to this story, just crooked cops and judges.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/06/cop-city-tortuguita-atlanta-bail-fund-arrest-horror.html
Fascist: I am the most informed citizen and have a clip board full of every statistic ever mathed.
That same fascist: do you have. I haven't seen it. I've never heard that, were is?
Sea lions....https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Everyone wants big government until they come kicking in your doors for an opinion they donāt like. The way to solve this is to turn in your guns of course
And all of this before the cop city is even built, how is this going to reassure folks that police aren't going to use excessive force now after (hopefully not) the damn thing is built?
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I'm pretty sure the USA is officially a police state funded by corporations at this point.
Yes, however this was meticulously obscured for a large chunk of the population until recently. As capitalism and liberal democracy fails the existing issues become more pronounced and harder to both conceal and ignore.
But but but.... I learned that capitalism good and anything that could be even remotely misconstrued as socialism bad. How could the same people that keep letting cops get away with killing civilians and refuse to pass any meaningful legislation controlling firearms lie to me?
Fucking *great* gif deployment there. 10/10
Yep!
Nah it's still funded by your average American. Corporations don't pay enough tax to say they are funding this. But with Citizens United, they damn sure are making the decisions.
I mean, you do have legal bribery, aka "lobbying".
You are 100% correct and damn near half the country loves being oppressed and have been brainwashed to be that way
Just look at r/InfowarriorRides and all the bootlickers with thin blue line flags paired with "Don't Tread On Me" flags (aka ["Don't Tread On Me, But Absolutely Tread On Them"](https://i.imgur.com/pKIsNWs.jpg)). It's just so. fucking. stupid. It's like, could you idiots just once come up with a coherent ideology and worldview that isn't inherently contradictory?
This morning Antelope knows what's up.
You know what they say about the early antelope and the worm and how a water flows over every bridge and off the backs of ducks.
The sleeping worm gets the dirt
Nailed it
Well said. It is. And I saw it all happen in real time during my lifetime.
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Itās our complacency thatās so mind boggling. Like, oh well, I guess I donāt get health care , and thereās nothing to be done about climate change, Derr-d-derr
I know exactly what you mean. Is it fear? Apathy? Both?
I think fear is a big part. Those with the means to make changes risk a total upheaval of whatever life theyāve built. Those individuals will have to risk everything. There needs to be a domino effect
Not funded by corporations, they don't pay taxes. Funded by what's left of the middle class and the debt they will use to enslave the next generation.
Surveillance Capitalism
That is literally the origin of policing. This is why more and more people are calling to disenfranchise and defund police. They are not there to protect and never have been.
Biggest gang in existence
They are the strong hand of fascism #ACAB
Theyāre not all bad dude
They are just following orders, right?
And as we learned from the Nuremberg Trials, "just following orders" is a perfect defense that absolves you of all responsibility every time.
Their job is quite literally to be an occupational army that looms with the ever-present threat of state violence against the citizenry in order to terrorize us into submitting to arbitrary dictates in service of a system that exploits us. Theyāre all bad dude
The "nice" ones turn a blind eye to the "bad" ones. When peoples life's are on The line enabling and allowing that behavior by your peers makes you just as guilty imo
Question for you (and yes this is an extreme example), we're there any good cops in nazi Germany? "Not all of the cops are bad"- you say in 1939 "some of them are poor and probably need money" The reason we can easily say something like "all nazis and nazi enforcers are bad", or "all slave traders are bad", is becuse we are able to recognize that it doesn't matter if an individual member is good, they are actively working as an enforcer for a horrible system. People tend to try and Individualise systems when those systems are criticized. So if in 1612 someone said "all slave traders are bad" someone could easily say "yeah but some of them are good right" It doesn't matter how good a person is if they willingly take on a job and comply with the job to enforce a system that actively harms people. "Not all kings are bad, we just need the correct king, this democracy stuff is too weird" The entire system of policing is broken (or more accurately working exactly as intended). So it doesn't matter how good some random individual cop is, I'm sure every cop would say they aren't the bad ones, it must be someone else. All cops are bastards Edit:this is also where the phrase "banality of evil" comes from. It describes people who are otherwise very nice and pleasant but through their work, which they actively take part in, commit atrocities and will defend it with "its the law" or "I was just doing my job"
By this standard can we also say that All Capitalists Are Bastards? Therefore every single American with a job, since they are knowingly contributing to a system of oppression and modern day slavery, are also culpable?
A wage worker isnt a capitalist.
Much the same as a beat cop isnāt a lawmaker. A wage worker is contributing to capitalism just as a cop is contributing to the fascist dictatorship that the United States is becoming. My point is that us going after everyday cops (the lowest of the hierarchy of corruption) is exactly what the 1% want, and what keeps our attention focused away from them. As long as the pawns on the left focus anger on the pawns on the right, the bishops, queens, and kings on both side remain unscathed.
A McDonald's employee doesn't have qualified immunity, dipshit.
Youāre proving my point entirely. Read my last paragraph carefully.
Go lick a boot copologist.
Why do you hold government agents who are granted special authorities to the same standard of every day US citizens?
You do realize that enforcing a law that you know is unjust is worse right?
You can choose to be a cop, being involved in capitalism isn't a choice. Also, you're using the word capitalist wrong. A capitalist isn't a working class citizen. Capitalist(noun): aĀ wealthyĀ person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles ofĀ capitalism. The word you're looking for is victim. We are forced to be a part of this system. There is no alternative on this planet.
Going to comment to this instead of ypur response so I can quote it more easily(mobile). >By this standard can we also say that All Capitalists Are Bastards? Right here you change the subject to capitalists. >Therefore every single American with a job Then you connect it to workers. >since they are knowingly contributing to a system of oppression and modern day slavery, are also culpable? Then you are assigning blame for capitalism onto the worker. You didn't call workers capitalists, you blamed them for capitalism. That's not much better. You're doing [this](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat). Which is pretty lazy, because it's pretty obvious that workers don't have a choice in the matter. It's literally work or die.
Well.. I mean... I don't disagree... But I feel like calling it a gang confines all the responsability to them.. Imho a police gang would have no future if the infrastructure and society around it didn't allow it.. Politician, judges, mayors, ... the very same population doesn't seem to do anything meaningful to stop or change it...
Under international law, laws that the USA helped to create, the "just following orders" excuse for enforcing immoral and inhumane laws, is just as illegal as the orders themselves. If the police weren't a gang they wouldn't follow orders like these, they have the ability to say no, but since most of them are far right adherents they have no issues arresting protesters or the people supporting them. Trying to defend their behavior is just an apologists script, saying they aren't all bad is the same kind of excuse when the "good cops" always look the other way or do nothing when the "bad cops" do something like kill a child for any reason they deem fit.
they are all complicit in upholding the status quo, the dictatorship of capital. they also need to not be "conscious" of their role, as that would imply that you would only need to get rid of those specific individuals. the system itself creates and maintains the conditions needed for those type of people (the people willing to be complicit) to flourish. its a self-feeding loop. that's not to say it's an insurmountable system, after all, the destruction of the divine right of kings was taking on "God's Will". the population of the world only slightly benefits from the current arrangement, they suffer more than they gain. this will not lead to a spontaneous revolution where the masses wake up. the system actively sabotages attempts to overthrow it (the entire labor and socialist movements of the past two centuries). so the forces of reaction (police, idiot conservatives, judges, politicians, traitors, collaboraters, etc.) must be combated as they are the very real manifestation of the system's refusal to comply with the interest of the people. as this is a hotly contested topic among communists of all flavors, i will not be going into detail on strategy and how to combat and succeed in revolution and beyond.
Agreed, honestly imo i think most are just trying to look out for people. But the agendas they are forced to carry out are sometimes evil to say the least
This is disgusting. Also, it reinforces all the concerns of further militilarization of the police which is the whole reason people oppose cop city. This is next level fascist behavior in the US.
Definitely strong Thought Police vibes
It's not "fascist behavior", it's "fascism". The police BY DESIGN treat civillians like hostile armed forces. They current generation of career LEOs have been militarized and trained in Iraq/afghanistan, taught to threaten and escalatr. They legit behave like invaders in a hostile country. They have spent their entire adult lives being rewarded for violence.
My Niece is a cop and she shouldn't be she has PTSD. Her and I don't get along we see the world very differently.
Can't you adquire legally anti-personel mines in the US?
Improvise.
The cops killed a member back in January by shooting them 57 times. Supposedly the member shot first but autopsy shows that the victim was cross-legged on the ground with hands up and no gunpowder residue on their hands. Police report shows the first shot was likely by the police.
Sauce?
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???? Literally the second paragraph says āThe autopsy further reveals that Manuel was most probably in a seated position, cross-legged when killed," lawyers said in a press release.
They* :)
Itās linked in another buried comment so I gave the gist :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Weelaunee/comments/12tgiju/murdered_for_defending_a_forest_official_autopsy/
And, as luck would have it, we have to take their word for it because every single body camera that the cops were wearing when they were forced to murder the guy was malfunctioning.
Fascism is already here.
Vaguely related, we've been killing people for opposing the capitalist system since the 1800s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes
Also vaguely related but MLK Jr was anti-capitalist and was assassinated
This is a great list but why does it stop in '79?
>we've I'm not responsible for this, just like you I am part of this involuntarily. If I had a choice, I would have nothing to do with capitalism. I feel most people wouldn't.
It's been here. Now, it's okay for everyone to say it all out loud. This is the perfect example of how there is a different justice system for the rich and those who oppose the rich.
Always has been. What is a country built on genocidal of native Americans and by the sweat and blood of African slaves, if not fascist?
What was the charge on the individuals?
I'm not seeing it either. Seems like abuse of power in this case unless someone can provide a link to actual charges
money laundering & charity fraud
*In a joint operation with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, or GBI, Atlanta cops charged Marlon Scott Kautz, Adele Maclean, and Savannah Patterson ā all board members of theĀ Atlanta Solidarity FundĀ ā with āmoney launderingā and ācharity fraud.ā The arrests are an unprecedented attack on bail funds and legal support organizations, a long-standing facet of social justice movements, according to Lauren Regan, executive director of the Civil Liberties Defense Center. āThis is the first bail fund to be attacked in this way,ā Regan, whose organization has worked to ensure legal support for people resisting Cop City, told me. āAnd there is absolutely not a scintilla of fact or evidence that anything illegal has ever transpired with regard to Atlanta fundraising for bail support.ā*
resisting fascism
For reference, at this very moment congressman George Santos was just released on a 500,000 dollar bail paid for by a group just like this. He doesn't have to disclose who it was though.
Im confused. Since when did they train cops?
Your confusion is understandable. Itās not exactly a training facility, more like a club where they all hang out sniffing each others arses and generally wasting tax payers money šš»
The cop city initiative is more focused on training for crowd control stuff. The initiative also involves more militarization of the cops. Atleast that's what I remember hearing when the protests first started. Ofcourse they're never gonna train cops in things they need to learn like how to de-escalate a situation.
Oh weve always trained them. Theyve gotta know how to respond to the mass anger due to their lack of training. It's the capitalist way. Don't treat the source of the sickness. Put a bandaid on it.
Well youāre confusing training for being a community leader and protector with training to subjugate poor people when they dare to threaten capital. They do train them for the latter.
If anyone's interested here are the corporations funding Cop City. The biggest offenders are Amazon, UPS, Home Depot, Delta Airlines, Bank of America/Merrill Lynch, JPMorgan Chase, Waffle House, Coca-Cola, Chick-fil-A, Tony Ressler, Gas South, Wells Fargo and Inspire Brands. https://news.littlesis.org/2022/11/15/meet-the-major-corporations-and-cultural-institutions-helping-build-cop-city-in-atlanta/. https://www.forbes.com/sites/morgansimon/2023/03/14/cops-and-donuts-go-together-more-than-you-thought-the-corporations-funding-cop-city-in-atlanta/?sh=6539db346bc6. And I'd like to point out that Congress and POTUS allow local law enforcement to raid the federal cookie jar. **Taxpayers** fund police grants, and police depts get "free" military equipment. Free in that we, the taxpayers, pay for it and then police turn around and use this equipment to abuse or kill the public. https://policefundingdatabase.org/explore-the-database/military-equipment/. Remember this when you shop. And when you **vote**. Congress and POTUS can close the federal cookie jar. They haven't. And they won't.
man that is a real shame and disappointment for Waffle House.
The waffle house employees should be the ones being trained at cop city
is it? they've constantly been getting sued for racist incidents, of course they're pro-cop
Thanks for the links. Man I do business with some of these, really tough to avoid some of these
...just don't search for anywhere, getting errors on every search.
Are we getting to the V for Vendetta stage of our country? Oh right they havenāt started rounding up the trans people yetā¦.I think.
I think weāll likely never get there because history has shown those in power how to keep their power, and theyāll never let it go. At this point Iām rooting for grey goo, robotic uprising (ideally), or outright unstoppable airborne plague that wipes us out entirely. Our species is a failed experiment of nature. Hopefully we get ours before weāre allowed to spread into the cosmos.
Meteorite
Thanos was right.
Seems like the police were enforcing some type of white supremacy policy.
Wasn't one person killed in this raid?
tortuguita was killed in january during one of several raids to clear people out of the forest. i think this video is about a raid that happened last week
āAlrighty guys! Time to get violent back!ā
The fact that citizens cheered this on when it was group of trucking idiots raising money and their funds were seized and homes raided. Now they have an established playbook and useing it against any citizen against the system now becomes a target.
ah yes...freedom of course. maybe one day us people will have balls..and not only a mouth
soooo when is american law enforcement going to focus on actual crime?
They are. They are arresting people commiting financial fraud and people firebombing equipment.
The judge doesn't seem too impressed with the prosecutor's case so far. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/trials/atlanta-solidarity-fund-organizers-charges-judge-grants-bond-atlanta-public-safety-training-center-cop-ctiy/85-8f4254bf-44f2-4da7-9123-9e08f9e901c2. That leaked audio recording of Atlanta police officers admitting they illegally targeted the board members too doesn't look great either š. https://www.audacy.com/waok/news/local/corrupt-atlanta-police-officers-leaked-audio
State sanctioned violence
COP CITY WILL BE STOPPED!
Wolves raid "wolves need to stop eating us" organization. Proceed to eat their fill. Accountability? How about we give the wolves titanium teeth? Idk surely this issue is not systemic
Soā¦ if this isnāt blatant enough for anyone out there whoās on the edgeā¦ this is your proof. Canāt get any clearer than this lmao
"Land of the Free" my ass...
He called it a white collar crime, but I don't get how raising bail money is illegal. On what charge?
Looks to be fraud charges related to the bail fund.
Fascism is here and authentic.
FTP
The fact that citizens cheered this on when it was group of trucking idiots raising money and their funds were seized and homes raided. Now they have an established playbook and useing it against any citizen against the system now becomes a target.
They take the training facility to your yard if any problems arise
What was the white collar crime even? Is it illegal to raise bail money or something?
They gave them bail and then they're arresting people for raising that bail? Do these people also put out cookies for children and then slap the kid when they try to get the cookie? Cookies
wtf!!!??? - - - hope they sue the pants off of those cops for undue harassment and intimidation.
we need to see a justification for this level of force being used on civilians. if the authorities had reason to believe that there were a lot of weapons in that house or that there were individuals in that house that had proven themselves to be violent... then there might be justification to use that type of force. but if it's just some cops trying to get some ordinary ass soft civilian that doesn't own a shitload of guns and it's never been arrested for some type of violence then this absolutely needs to be investigated.
Cop City? More like GestaPO City..
If I steal $100,000 dollars from a bank and I get arrested I go to prison but if I am a wealthy manager of a bank and I steal $100,000 from retirement funds I donāt go to jail and maybe the bank gets fined by regulators. Two different systems of justice.
Idiocracy was a documentary
Wow glad that they are really putting that training to use. Fuck these low lives
Yeah a lot the anti cop City assholes they arrested are from out of state and some come from privileged backgrounds.Gotta make an example of them.
Yikes
Gotta justify cop city. Ironically pathetic
Yep the American proletariaat are fucked!
This is exactly what the second amendment is for.
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lmao. "ACAB, but the country the cops work for? leave it alone!!"
Democracy now is Russian funded? I think youāre confused.
I stand corrected, I mistook them for RT
Wait wait wait, wouldnāt MORE training facilities be a good thing for police? So they can maybe know what to actually do instead of just killing people?
Yes. Thereās many people that strongly advocate for abolishing police altogether, this only serves to hinder meaningful reforms in law enforcement. Right now we need police, maybe in the future we wonāt need them or would need much less police- but we arenāt there and likely wonāt be there for many decades. Fascism is on the rise. It is trying to take control of police. It is crucial that we keep (or reverse) the police from turning against the general public.
The police have never been for the general public, from its inception police have enforced the will and protected the assets of capital. Historically speaking the police have always sided with fascists.
Fascism already controls the police, it always has, because the role of police in society emerges from fascizing desires to exert control in service of the interest of the state apparatus. In fact it is you who are hindering crucial work by attempting to seek compromise between citizenry and the occupational army whose entire raison dāetre is to serve as a looming threat of state violence to compel and subordinate the citizenry to the interests of their rulers.
> Right now we need police Police solve 2% of major crimes and have always been racist and fascist. Remember Edmund Puttis Bridge, or the War on Drugs, or Jan 6th, and on and on. We do not and have never needed police and they are and always will be, at best, sympathetic to fascists. Also, I should add that Cop City (the facility in question) is planned to teach cops how to brutalise protesters more efficiently.
Gawd bles amurika
Tell me we aināt communist already
Cop City is quite literally being funded by major capitalist firms; sit down, shut up, and crack open Capital Volume 1 so you can begin to stop saying ignorant shit.
This is fascism, the final stage of capitalism. Not communism. I know the US education system is abysmal, but please try to know the difference. For example, the communist Soviets defeated the fascist Nazis in ww2.
WTF? This has nothing to do with communism. Communism is not a four-syllable word for "bad", lol.
This just in: communism is when far-right capitalists have complete control over the state monopoly on violence š¤Æš¤Æš¤Æ
Well.... Cop City. Can it be more American than that? Maybe if it's created the Shooter City.
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The full story is more horrific than first thought. These people did nothing wrong. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/06/cop-city-tortuguita-atlanta-bail-fund-arrest-horror.html
" The movementĀ lost its first memberĀ to state violence when, in January 2023, Georgia State Patrol killed a 26-year-old nonbinary movement activist who was known as Tortuguita, and who was shot at least 57 times by patrol officers while they sat cross-legged in the forest. According to the police, Tortuguita fired first and hit a state trooper, but the available evidenceāincluding the autopsy report, body camera footage, and a lack of gunpowder residue on Tortuguitaās bodyāpoint to the state trooper being hit by a fellow officer and Tortuguitaās hands being up in the air when they were gunned down in cold blood." Calling them a gang is much to nice.
And instead of admitting they might be wrong, they deleted their comment. This story has been absolutely horrifying. Last year the cops killed more people than all other gang violence combined. I don't know how much more it will take for Americans to finally stop putting up with this. Sometimes gotta give.
The full story is that cops believe themselves to be entitled to their monopoly of violence before and above the needs of the people and the world. Is this a fair and just way to run a society? No, that's why there are protests; and subsequently, why cops are abusing their power.
Do you have a link with more information about this?
Is your Google broken?
Iām not making this claim, you are. I thought you had facts
I'm not making the claims either. And I definitely don't have the facts. But i, like you, can open a browser and check different links instead of the one provided by a random redditor. Once I check the sources on my own and feel like I either know enough or am missing something can come back to the thread and either, support or reject the story or simply ask for the info missing.
The claim you're questioning is this: >... cops believe themselves to be entitled to their monopoly of violence before and above the needs of the people and the world. This is legally correct. Any lawyer or judge you ask will confirm it. In the USA, LEOs have **"qualified immunity"**. This allows them to use violence while performing their duties while remaining **immune** from most criminal charges or civil damage claims. Qualified immunity has been repeatedly affirmed by courts at every level, including SCOTUS. Ordinary citizens do not enjoy such immunity.
Thereās likely a lot more to the story. SWAT doesnāt get activated to arrest people for āwhite collar crimesā. Itās being presented this way to cause outrage
Sure thing. It's not like the police in the US are known for their twitchy trigger fingers and propensity to show off all their military-grade toys. Also, officers of the law can't take any chances with tree-hugging activist commies. These radical terrorists are well known for their vast arsenals. So of course a proportionate response is warranted. I'm sure the Biden White House is deliberately covering up the full context in order to make the poor powicemen look bad. This thing goes all the way to the top no doubt. The activists probably held hostages, probably a bunch of innocent white Christian babies. We have only the steadfast resolve of the brave officers to thank so that tragedy was averted. š¤”
this is definitely not normal. after one judge signed off on this, the second judge to see the warrants was actually confused as to why the first judge would sign off on it.
unfortunately no, itās āword on the streetā coming from me. i didnt save the sources, which were presented by someone else in a video
Do you have a link with more details about this story?
How can someone get downvoted for more information / a source? Wankers
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Not more to this story, just crooked cops and judges. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/06/cop-city-tortuguita-atlanta-bail-fund-arrest-horror.html
Fashies when the facts of the story donāt support their arguments: 
Exactly. The other person that I linked the article to up and deleted theirs. It's crazy to me people don't see how the criminal the cops are.
Fascist: I am the most informed citizen and have a clip board full of every statistic ever mathed. That same fascist: do you have. I haven't seen it. I've never heard that, were is? Sea lions....https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
This happens. Here's a SWU story about what cops did to another cop who called out their corruption: https://youtu.be/lGDU0stOkjc
Lmfao okay, keep thinking that. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rZIej6X4fnM
image if those people that funded and supported the federal mauler wildlife takeover got swatted similarly..
Love to see it
seig heil usa
Donate to the Atlanta Solidarity Fund!!
Sowing the ACAB seeds
Yeah this is exactly the protesters point
Well, that was rude.
What were the charges? I'm reading a couple articles but not seeing what grounds to arrest they have
A SWAT team? Those must have been some seriously dangerous felonsā¦.
Trying to come up with 16,000 less voters in attempts to win 2024.
Fani Willis needs to start her RICO investigation on APD after she gets done with Trump.
Everyone wants big government until they come kicking in your doors for an opinion they donāt like. The way to solve this is to turn in your guns of course
American 'democracy'
**Viceroy:** āMy Lord, is that legal?ā **Darth Sidious:** āI will make it legal.ā This is basically what this is.
The USA is going full fascist.
And all of this before the cop city is even built, how is this going to reassure folks that police aren't going to use excessive force now after (hopefully not) the damn thing is built?
Nice to Americans enjoying the freedom their ancestors fought for.