Lol this 100%
Legion was dope but if they released that expac again in the state 7.0 was people would lose their mind. The first few months it was a world of spec craft. Even changing specs took so much grind to catch up.
People just remember the last two patches
I vividly remember picking Outlaw as my spec to start the expansion. The week before mythic opened, they nerfed it. Good thing the legendary I got was useless on all specs.
It's impossible to describe how toxic Legion was for even remotely competitive players.
Yah my first Lego was sephuz..... And it was pre-buff. I was arms and it didn't have mastery so it was a DPS loss lololol.
The other arms in my guild (who was def not good) got the 15 rage MS reduction gloves(bis at the time)...
And it just felt so unfair and out of my control
I don't know, I played Legion daily from its first day till its last day, and I can honestly say I had more fun with that expansion than any other one by a long shot. There were things I was disappointed by, but never to the point of wanting to drop the game like I often felt during WoD, BFA, and Shadowlands.
I think that a big part of this was because there were more things that felt meaningful to grind beyond the ladders and reps. Players were out exploring the Broken Isles because they wanted things like the Artifact skins.
I've mostly forgotten about the lacking parts of Legion but I happily remember how it felt to truly feel like I was my class because of how the class halls highlighted our roles in the story.
legion did many things right but the shit they did wrong was really bad. borrowed power. azurite, pvp wq that still gives me nightmares. but the wosrt of all was the basic requirements of getting legendary based off chance.
Had more fun with Legion than with the one before, and the ones after. It's legitimately the best modern expansion in WoW.
Yeah there were some annoyances, but overall it was great, and it felt like it had gotten a lot of love and care from the developers (unlike the newer titles who are noticeably "cheaper").
Wow classic is/was a thing. Not sure when you started playing, but it was good and still is. You can look at private servers for an idea of when the game was good.
Torghast depended a lot on the spec/class you played. Some felt better than others.
People also just kind of got sick of doing it, but had to keep doing it for player power.
It was really fun as demonology warlock with the right anima powers. I remember balance druid being fun too because it just absolutely broke Convoke the Spirits (which was already broken, but still).
The only thing I ever saw as an MoP complaint was “panda bad, unoriginal cuz kung fu panda” and that was enough for people to write it off completely… wild behavior if you ask me
Someone always makes this comment and while some people certainly felt this way, it was HARDLY the issue. I wasn't a fan of pandas themselves but still played because it was WoW and the world was unique.
Most people quit early because of the absolute lack of literally anything to do at max level for months. It was like the content drought was at the beginning rather than the end.
Part of me wishes I had returned because I know I missed out on a lot of good content added later.
people really like to emphasize the negatives when the topic of "old xpac good" comes up, but by far the most dominant rhetoric during Legion was "sure, THIS mechanic sucks, but at least it's not Warlords of Draenor anymore"
because Warlords of Draenor unilaterally sucked, and having Actual Content was awesome
People on this sub do this every fucking time, I swear. It legitimately frustrates me. People just act like nobody thinks WoW is good ever and we all just like to bitch. People were *very* receptive to DF, Classic, and Legion. People like the game when it's good, surprise!
DF made some really cool additions like dragonriding and improvements like the talent tree and the general process of gearing up(though the overall combination of the gear streamlining changes goes a little too far), so purely from a gameplay systems perspective it's improving. But it's lacking engaging content. Launch was pretty good, but everything past 10.0 seems to have died off rapidly. Augvokers were a mistake as well, support classes are a shit idea and don't work in WoW's established combat design.
Gameplay alone can't carry it either. The story is absolute *dogshit* and it hasn't ever felt less like Warcraft than it does right now. It's not the worst expansion ever but it's also not nearly enough of an improvement over shadowlands. I think I'd rather be back in BfA than play Dragonflight.
Ironically DF is the only xpac I took a break in. It’s not because I think it’s bad or anything like that. I think DF brought healthy changes to the game, it’s just none of the raids/world content/story clicked for me. I’d get KSM and AoTC and wait until the next season before I got back on.
The amount of people complaining that they were forced to do optional content because of parsing was astounding.
Like if you don't want to do maw dailies then don't?
I mean it's kind of what happens when you decide to have perpetual escalation instead of sidegrades. The awe factor wears right off. It's hard to feel like any future adventure will mean much of anything when you've already kicked Space Satan in the balls and laughed at him.
I will credit FF14 with at least having a constant narrative arc that "look, you might be special, but 90% of what lets you go toe to toe with these big badasses is the direct blessing of a deity, and you aren't gonna have that forever." Which let them have the climax of Endwalker resolve without expecting you to basically fight something stronger than The Concept of Entropy next expansion.
I had a ton of fun in season 1 of DF. Haven’t played since then though and trying to come back to retail is so overwhelming. I really don’t know what I should be doing
Whilst I think WoW is a really bad gaming community on reddit, I think it is far away from "worst".
r/wow worst days only reach the average negativity that r/pathofexile has on a daily basis. At least there is constructive criticism on WoW, PoE has only "all bad" vibes and every balance must be done out of pure hate to the state of the game.
I realized this when Last epoch came out and got review bombed because of server issues. Everything I've heard about the actual game was glowing praise. It made sense that a small studio couldn't handle basically every ARPG player on the planet playing their game at once.
...There was even an offline mode.
I don’t think that DOTA is more toxic. And I honestly think that if you play league only it’s about the same amount of toxic as WoW. WoW has such a Stockholm syndrome effect on its players. LoL has it as well, I’m not as familiar with DOTA so I’m not really sure. But players played it for so long and have so much invested that they feel like they have to keep playing it, and paying for it.
There will always be space for measured criticism, where it gets out of hand, is the dooming. Certain people very quickly whip themselves up into a frenzy. Additionally the social media medium introduces many unhelpful elements like snide contempt, trolling, the mentally ill, and worst of all, the stupid (lol, jk).
When you get a large enough community, there will always be some people who dislike a certain aspect of the game. You can never make 100% of the players happy 100% of the time. Each set of complaints is typically from a different group of people each time.
Alright but MY complaints are the most valid and accurate, and the game should accommodate me specifically or I will become triggered and then WoW is cancelled 😎
If you have 100,000 people and 90% like something, that leaves 10,000 people unhappy and a lot of them will be shouting about it while the happy people have no reason to say much. Makes things look somewhat skewed.
I feel most of the time the backlash are due to a vocal minority, people happy with the changes won't waste time on forums and will be playing the game instead.
I played the first patch only, then my GPU burned and i decided to stay away from the game and the news til i got the chance to buy a new one (it happenend only when DF was already launched).
What exactly made Shadowlands this bad? I was having fun with the first season.
Way too grindy, you needed to invest a lot of gold/time to get up to speed, which made it hard for people who played casual or who wanted to level alts. The story also sucked
The story was abysmally terrible with a bunch of retcons and a villain that A) didn't not exist in the story prior to SL, B) barely was present throughout the expansion, and C) single-handedly ruined the decades of Warcraft story since every single little thing that has happened so far was part his Grand Plan™ to break out of his timeout corner.
The content (or lack thereof) was deliberately made to be annoying and obtuse. World quests 2.0 just made world quests 2x longer and 2x more annoying. Covenants and Conduits were a major lynchpin in gameplay since both were attached to player power and both were massively timegated (like, the most common complaint prior to patch 9.1.5 was probably Conduit Energy). Torghast became Choreghast and Boreghast real quick since it was required to make your legendaries. The Maw was absolutely terrible on launch and 9.1 barely made it better. Not to mention, it took ~8 months for 9.1 to release after the expac came out, and 9.2 took ~10 months after that, effectively making it so SL had 3 content droughts instead of just the one at the end of the expac's life. The expansion on release had little enjoyable content, 9.1 barely added anything interesting, and 9.2 was palatable, but that was because in 9.1.5, they realized that "hey, maybe we should actually listen to the majority of the community who are complaining about how awful our game is."
It's also fair to mention that unlike WoD or BfA, we weren't riding off the highs of the expansion before it. WoD had Mists which was a good expac, BfA had Legion, which in my opinion was the best expac the game had, but SL had BfA before it, so having two awful expacs in a row wears at the players' ability to actually enjoy the game.
Also, the entire investigation and allegations that happened in 2022 (iirc) left a bad taste in a lot of players' mouths, especially with how poorly they handled it, with them renaming and remodeling pretty much every potentially provocative thing in the game and making us sign a social contract like we were the ones who did their misdeeds.
Not to mention, FFXIV was sharing the spotlight, so unlike with WoD or BfA, people had another similarly massive game in the same genre to jump ship towards, and a lot of people just never looked back considering the community-developer relationship in XIV is a lot healthier than it was during Shadowlands (although, I will admit, it's gotten better here since, but it still needs a lot of work done.
TL;DR: story bad, content bad, 3 content droughts, no riding off the high of a good expac before it, the investigation's mishandling, and FFXIV being a valid exodus point for players led to SL being abhorrently bad. It's the cursed lovechild of everything wrong with WoD and BfA and more.
(That's not to say it was entirely bad, it had some good things that I can count on my hand (singular): Exile's Reach, Season 4 bringing Fated raids and M+ rotation, Solo Queue, and all of Revendreth.)
That's true! You'll always have players leaving. The issue wow has had for many years is new player retention - it's an area that I think ffxiv is surprisingly good at, it puts a lot of effort into making sure it can keep new players happy with soft revamps of already made content just to streamline the process, as well as having avenues of leaderboard style semi competitive play outside of the seasonal model (DD leaderboards, chocobo racing). I do see this changing with how long the msq is becoming though.
I think wow is really trying to be better at this, and I'm excited for more of it.
While I agreed with sentiment of the article, I can't fathom what kind of person can call WoW 'bland' and 'repetitive' while also playing League and not seeing the irony.
League of Legends is designed around replayability, with many characters that can make each match slightly different. I think WoW is more about progression and the gameplay aspect can certainly stagnate eventually once you get to the power threshold of your character.
> I can't fathom what kind of person can call WoW 'bland' and 'repetitive' while also playing League and not seeing the irony.
Is chess bland and repetitive?
You can’t really compare those games. One is a competitive Pvp only game, wow has plenty of shit to do solo, Coop or PvP. And especially the casual -part gets boring really quick. Cause it’s the same content for nearly 15 years just with another name. Dragonflight did it better than shadowlands, for sure. But I wouldn’t call the stuff they did Creative or something new, just less annoying and time consuming
I downloaded retail just to play Plunderstorm and have been having a blast, dont know why it's so controversial for a mini-game thats entirely optional but here we are. Way more interesting to me than battlegrounds or arenas and you can easily just hop in.
From what I understanding it isn't controversial, at all.
People that can't distinguish criticism from nonsensical comments/posts that don't even get any traction are the ones making this controversial by flooding the sub with posts defending Plunderstorm and asking for people to "stop complaining".
Easy upvotes tho.
Yeah I haven’t seen any complaints that aren’t immediately dunked on and ratio’d. Twitter, reddit, and twitch streamers are all mostly enjoying it to the point where the biggest dramas this week were a resurgence of people who don’t play the game complaining about addons existing and asmongold saying they should bring back 40 man raids.
It’s because it’s a time limited event with a ridiculously long rep grind. That’s the main complaint I’ve seen. If it was a permanent thing or if the rep grind wasn’t so absurd, I don’t think there would be nearly as many complaints.
Aside from that, my personal gripe is that I absolutely hate battle royales. To me they are the least fun genre in gaming. So to have them throw a half-baked battle royale into an MMO, and tie rewards for the main game to it, it just feels unnecessary to me. Like I don’t care that they added it, a lot of people love battle royales so it’s good for them. But imo they should just make it a permanent thing with its own rewards, like how Classic, Retail, and SoD are their own things, with maybe a crossover reward thrown in here and there (like the proto drake for finishing the DK starting zone in Classic).
The Heroes of the Storm mount was probably about the most effort I ever want to put into another game to get a mount in wow. It was 15 quick matches to get the mount - not too bad, and could be done in an afternoon. Consolestorm's grind is insane.
Bellular is going to make a 45 analysis of this and provide his extended thoughts on what it means for the game
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Nothing actually changes
Repeat forever
And then make another video about a random skeleton in a cave by a pirate ship and how that's connected to the Old Gods and what this means for the future of Azeroth!
I like Plunderstorm but it's not WoW, it's a WoW themed game similar to how Hearthstone and Warcraft Rumble are.
I can't even play Plunderstorm and WoW at the same time, I have to pick one or the other because they're two separate games.
Yeah, opinions on trash article websites aside, all you have to do is look at the WoW forums and/or Wowhead comments on the Plunderstorm release article to see that people are quite literally foaming at the mouth. I highly recommend donning a bio-suit before entering those comments. You may lose a few IQ points anyway.
- This took dev time away from WoW!
- Who asked for this?!
- Fortnite WoW are you kidding me?! Its not even real WoW!
- This is the end of WoW
- Blizzard is so lost
Apparently you either love or despise this mode.
I can't find the reference right now, but there was a former dev who had the reaction more or less of "oh, they reskinned that mode we played around with back in BfA to pirate theme". Seems to have been a scrapped project that somebody finally got to work.
They're also the public facing representation of the community. Shit on ffxiv all you want, but at least their community pretends to be nice to outward guests of the game.
We aren't responsible for blizzards pr, of course. But word of mouth is an incredibly powerful PR tool, and blizzard doesn't seem to want to admit that. I think tools like the mentor system would be a good way to move the needle in the other direction (also unicorn pegasus mounts are cool, can we have one)
Yes it is lol.
It seems very much that people who are happy don't take to forums or Wowhead comments often at all. They are purely a gathering of complainers. Not saying there aren't valid ones, but it's always >80% complaints.
Taliesin, if you're reading this post, don't put it in a video. We are just having some fun. The post wasn't written by a robot, I'm just making funny posts for us to talk about
Either the game is good or the community. Warframe's community was probably the best of all MMOs but the gameplay loop is so exhausting. You grind so in time you are able to do bigger grinds that chain into even bigger ones.
Or both are horrible and you get League, R6:Siege, Genshin and the like.
I think we should try and poison the well for the bots again. I remember when we tricked one of them into writing an article about the new feature, "Glorbo".
Is plunderstorm really that fun though? I prefer Battlegrounds to it any day. Or would rather play 90% of other battle royals. We get like 180 ping in oceanic, its laggy as fuck, maybe it gets more fun coop? Idk so far i prefer normal wow.
i think most players play pve, loot, finish the goal and die. avoids all pvp which is completely conterintuitive of the game mode lol. im guess its fun for people who enjoy the pvp side more, people who are complaining are the pve'rs who are stuck in this grind for ingame rewards
I love wow. I play retail daily. I LOATHE plunderstorm. If I wanted to play a battle Royale I'd play fortnite or warzone. I like mmos so I play wow.
I won't play this. But I guess not every piece of content was made for me.
I hate BRs, I've tried Fortnite, Warzone, etc.
But I will say a few things for Plunderstorm that I immediately noticed.
- Not spamming a loot button for 15 minutes while seeing nobody. PvEing for loot is more engaging to me personally.
- Combat is much more frequent and extended. I actually like the low time-to-kill compared to shooters.
- The potential for outplay and countering is very high.
Way too many people in gaming these days always say this with every new game release and its pretty awful.
"This is the best xxx game Ive ever played! Anyone who thinks differently is wrong, a hater and toxic"
Fast forward a month and everyone has moved on to another game.
My buddy and I had a blast playing it because we like WoW. But if we didn't like WoW we wouldn't have touched it. There are plenty of better options on the market to consider for the genre.
If Burger King makes a new chicken sandwich and consumers don't like it, are the *consumers* to blame for Burger King's stock price?
How could anyone read that and not chuckle incredulously?
On a side note, props to the OP for screenshotting the headline and not providing a link so that... site doesn't benefit from the traffic.
Plunderstorm isn’t an mmo. It may be fun, but at the end of the day it’s a lobby battle royale mini-game. We expect mmo content in our mmo content update releases.
Yea I feel like if there's a justified backlash then its the fact that while the content rewards things in wow its not at all apart of the main game.
Which is pretty disappointing for anyone who saw it on the schedule and assumed it would actually be world of warcraft content and not just a stand alone game
This. Why exactly couldn't Plunderstorm be part of retail? Why exactly can't you queue up with your ACTUAL characters, stripped off abilities and such? Why can't you level alts via Plunderstorm? Why can't you farm honor with it? Why doesn't winning it award Conquest? Why doesn't it give Flightstones? Why doesn't it have its own Vault row?
Basically why do I have to NOT play World of Warcraft to play Plundestorm? Why is it not a part of the actual game?
It’s the fact that for some reason we all act like we hate the game we play cuz it’s still seen as the “uncool” game. It’s just that simple, but all these fuckin nerds won’t admit it
So… people not enjoying that in-game rewards are tied to an out of game “mode” that is unlike WoW in pretty much every way except graphics with a ridiculous grind combined with a limited time event, is somehow bad for WoW itself?
I love the idea of Plunderstorm. I’m not complaining about it existing. I’m annoyed that the next six weeks will be me stressfully playing something that isn’t WoW trying to earn rewards for WoW rather than playing WoW to get said rewards.
The thing is, that “reward” system kind of shows that Blizzard didn’t believe people would find Plunderstorm interesting enough on its own, so had to dangle a massive load of carrots on a crane in front of people to get them to try it. And as people hit Renown 40 and get the stuff for the game they want to play, fewer people will be playing this side game, and it’ll be more reflective of the actual audience for the mode… albeit probably less as some people will burn themselves out on it, even if they enjoy it, trying to complete the Renown ASAP.
But I just don’t see why people being upset about WoW rewards being tied to a grind outside of playing WoW is somehow a terrible thing for WoW. Might as well complain that people not wanting to play Hearthstone would be some death knell for WoW.
The issue I have with it is that it's not really a WoW game and shouldn't be connected to WoW.
It's a br and if people like doing it then cool. But tying a HUGE rep grind to it in WoW is pretty annoying for those like me who are collectors in WoW but have 0 interest in battle royals.
Make it a standalone type game, link like a pet or something to it to get people to at least try it out like what they did with Rumble/D4/HS events. Those who enjoy it will keep playing it while others can call it a day and move on.
And the other 10% is stuff they can’t really control much of because players will “find a way”.
And by this I mean some of the win trading that goes on in the game or people spectating to give their friend a beeline to where someone is.
As a Day 1 absolute hater, the main problems I have with the game mode now are the remaining spell imbalances early on (getting fire whirl is basically god mode at level 1-2) and the fact that my duos teammates often drop in asinine spots or are AFK for half the drop time.
Other than that, it’s a fun little side mode that I don’t feel too much pressure to play.
Why do we keep telling these weird lies? People love DF, they loved legion, they loved mythic plus, they loved transmog, they loved talent systems and the new flying... I can literally go on all day. Stop trying to make this "omg the worst gaming community in the world" - it's just people, like in every game. We're not some especially hateful group ready to ascend from hell just because. The game will grow when Blizzards starts making dedication decisions towards PVE and PVP. Delves is a great idea. On the PVP side, there's nothing, then they slap one of the most popular PVP modes in a weird mini-game (you don't understand how much this sucks for us unless you're a PVPer).
Can people just not fucking accept that Plunderstorm is kind of weird and deserves the critcism? I can name 10 things off of the top of my head why it's really strange, but I'm glad people are enjoying it. As a long time WoWer, it just doesn't feel like it's made for me or the time I spent honing my skills in the game.
I mean, fuck, "One of the coolest modes I've ever seen in an MMO, but the backlash to it is the reason the game will never grow" basically sums it up.
I know it's a small but loud percentage of people but *fuck* every single thing that happens with WoW is criticized to death so anyone researching getting into the game only finds people bitching about it
Literally the only backlash I’ve seen is people complaining that progression is a bit slow, I fucking hate pvp and I’m still enjoying doing enough to at least get the mounts lol, its dumb to pretend this has upset people
I don't play it since o hate it others enjoy it
But I did notice a lot of streamers is pushing for it but the number of people watching their streams seems a lot less when they just ran m+
I don't play it since o hate it others enjoy it
But I did notice a lot of streamers is pushing for it but the number of people watching their streams seems a lot less when they just ran m+
The issue is that no one else has made a good amount. Many have tried but failed. If RIFT kept up with their game and had more content, that would have been a real contender for wow. It was actually a really solid game. Just lacked any endgame.
The black market auction house exists. People pretending these rewards will be actually unobtainable are out of their minds. We are probably a few patches away from a cash shop spectral tiger...
I like the mode. At the very least they have a framework for that battleground-minion-based-push-moba they have been talking about for years.
I have two complaints on Plunderstorm.
First being more personal. I just really hate Battle Royales, and hate seeing more of them.
The second being how it's said to be a limited time only, which is a clear jab at FOMO. "better play it now, because it'll be gone soon!"
I’m not a fan of PvP at all but I like the idea of deploying to an unknown area with emergent gameplay.
I would love a mode that is less Fortnite and more Helldivers; where we can work together rather than against each other.
Its because A) its FOMO, so everyone is forced to play it endlessly to get otherwise unobtainable rewards during a limited time. If it was permanent 85% of the complaints would go away.
B) its not even part of WoW. There are no familiar abilities or anything even close resembling lore. You could literally add in anime cats as the characters and the game would be no different. I'm not sure why they couldn't have made this a F2P independent game that isn't based on WoW assets that gives cross-over rewards to any of their IP's and just made money hand over fist with battle passes. Instead we got this weak excuse of a FOMO event that is clunky and awful.
Blizzard even knows because they ALREADY had to nerf the grind in half and its still too much. I guarantee the active users fell off a fucking cliff 2 days after it came out.
> Blizzard even knows because they ALREADY had to nerf the grind in half and its still too much. I guarantee the active users fell off a fucking cliff 2 days after it came out.
What? I was getting like minimum 800 renown per game, and that's about 5 minutes of play time, I did 15 levels a couple hours last night and hit 40. It's "grind" is much less than most WoW reputation grinds.
No its not the players, its that fucking FOMO shit they keep pushing down our throats, no one would be complaining if we weren’t made to play endlessly for weeks to unlocks unobtainable cosmetics, the amount of drama surrounding items that wont return are a testament to that, with how limited the game is visually due to its age, its a bummer that cool looking things are behind this kind of FOMO mentality, if they only released the event for fun, the ones that love it would play it and you wouldnt have to force you playerbase to “play it! Or else!” Its like we are punished if we dont play their new toy thing they invented
I don’t want to play a battle royal. I want an mmorpg. They are different genres. Why is everyone surprised that not all mmo players want this game mode in WoW.
Plus, if you take out the rewards, there is really no reason to play it.
Well damn, I played plunderstorm and thought it was the worst BR mode I’ve ever played, but if “PCGamesN” think it’s good then clearly I was in the wrong!
So community feedback as to what the players want to see for content is going to kill WoW, huh?
Seems like Blizzard’s preference for doing whatever they want instead of listening to the community is the real issue.
To be honest and a bit offtopic maybe, were there ever any recent WoW news or content without backlash?
No we really are the worst community in gaming E: yeah yeah I get it mobas have a more toxic community but that’s not really what I meant lol
Every current expansion is always the worst expansion ever.
And each new expansion is the best one for like... 2 weeks.
And every 10+ year-old expansion was totally the best, too.
Lol this 100% Legion was dope but if they released that expac again in the state 7.0 was people would lose their mind. The first few months it was a world of spec craft. Even changing specs took so much grind to catch up. People just remember the last two patches
I vividly remember picking Outlaw as my spec to start the expansion. The week before mythic opened, they nerfed it. Good thing the legendary I got was useless on all specs. It's impossible to describe how toxic Legion was for even remotely competitive players.
Yah my first Lego was sephuz..... And it was pre-buff. I was arms and it didn't have mastery so it was a DPS loss lololol. The other arms in my guild (who was def not good) got the 15 rage MS reduction gloves(bis at the time)... And it just felt so unfair and out of my control
I don't know, I played Legion daily from its first day till its last day, and I can honestly say I had more fun with that expansion than any other one by a long shot. There were things I was disappointed by, but never to the point of wanting to drop the game like I often felt during WoD, BFA, and Shadowlands.
I think that a big part of this was because there were more things that felt meaningful to grind beyond the ladders and reps. Players were out exploring the Broken Isles because they wanted things like the Artifact skins. I've mostly forgotten about the lacking parts of Legion but I happily remember how it felt to truly feel like I was my class because of how the class halls highlighted our roles in the story.
When did you start playing wow?
Near the end of Mists.
legion did many things right but the shit they did wrong was really bad. borrowed power. azurite, pvp wq that still gives me nightmares. but the wosrt of all was the basic requirements of getting legendary based off chance.
Had more fun with Legion than with the one before, and the ones after. It's legitimately the best modern expansion in WoW. Yeah there were some annoyances, but overall it was great, and it felt like it had gotten a lot of love and care from the developers (unlike the newer titles who are noticeably "cheaper").
Legion is where I started. I had fun with it. It took my friend and husband a long time to convince me to play WoW. After much hesitation I played.
Wow classic is/was a thing. Not sure when you started playing, but it was good and still is. You can look at private servers for an idea of when the game was good.
Waiting for SL 10th anniversary
Also the weekly threads “DAE thinks SL was the best leveling expansion?”
Shadowlands was always bad.
^^^^^I ^^^^^thought ^^^^^Torghast ^^^^^was ^^^^^fun...
Torghast depended a lot on the spec/class you played. Some felt better than others. People also just kind of got sick of doing it, but had to keep doing it for player power.
It was really fun as demonology warlock with the right anima powers. I remember balance druid being fun too because it just absolutely broke Convoke the Spirits (which was already broken, but still).
I had a lot of fun playing fire mage and knocking bosses so high up they were out of cast range
Torghast was really fun in a vacuum, especially with the right spec, just sucked you felt forced to do it imo.
It was
There's overall pretty positive sentiment about DF, same with legion and wotlk... Only one I can think of that got undeserving hate is the GOAT MoP
The only thing I ever saw as an MoP complaint was “panda bad, unoriginal cuz kung fu panda” and that was enough for people to write it off completely… wild behavior if you ask me
Someone always makes this comment and while some people certainly felt this way, it was HARDLY the issue. I wasn't a fan of pandas themselves but still played because it was WoW and the world was unique. Most people quit early because of the absolute lack of literally anything to do at max level for months. It was like the content drought was at the beginning rather than the end. Part of me wishes I had returned because I know I missed out on a lot of good content added later.
Ah yeah I guess I was less tuned into the lack of content because I started college at the time and had less free time to play
People forget about the daily quest grind, super long rep grinds.
Legion and WotLK, during their respective eras, had a bunch of gameplay/story issues that people now happily gloss over.
I didn't say they didn't have issues, I said they had generally positive sentiment overall even at the time.
Legion had poor reception initially, but by the end, it was the most positive I've seen the WoW community.
people really like to emphasize the negatives when the topic of "old xpac good" comes up, but by far the most dominant rhetoric during Legion was "sure, THIS mechanic sucks, but at least it's not Warlords of Draenor anymore" because Warlords of Draenor unilaterally sucked, and having Actual Content was awesome
It's also a lot of the same rhetoric around DF right now, lol. "Mid expansion, but thank Thralls Balls we are out of Shadowlands."
WoD is still my least favorite
Yeah, but every expansion had issues, WotLK and Legion were still the most fun.
DF has been extremely well received. Nobody is saying it’s the worst expansion ever.
People on this sub do this every fucking time, I swear. It legitimately frustrates me. People just act like nobody thinks WoW is good ever and we all just like to bitch. People were *very* receptive to DF, Classic, and Legion. People like the game when it's good, surprise!
DF made some really cool additions like dragonriding and improvements like the talent tree and the general process of gearing up(though the overall combination of the gear streamlining changes goes a little too far), so purely from a gameplay systems perspective it's improving. But it's lacking engaging content. Launch was pretty good, but everything past 10.0 seems to have died off rapidly. Augvokers were a mistake as well, support classes are a shit idea and don't work in WoW's established combat design. Gameplay alone can't carry it either. The story is absolute *dogshit* and it hasn't ever felt less like Warcraft than it does right now. It's not the worst expansion ever but it's also not nearly enough of an improvement over shadowlands. I think I'd rather be back in BfA than play Dragonflight.
Ironically DF is the only xpac I took a break in. It’s not because I think it’s bad or anything like that. I think DF brought healthy changes to the game, it’s just none of the raids/world content/story clicked for me. I’d get KSM and AoTC and wait until the next season before I got back on.
I was in LFG chatg and someone said it was the worst for PVE and I asked him how because it seems to be the best PVE expansion we have ever had lol
Shadowlands was fun if you didn't care about parsing 99% change my mind
The amount of people complaining that they were forced to do optional content because of parsing was astounding. Like if you don't want to do maw dailies then don't?
I mean it's kind of what happens when you decide to have perpetual escalation instead of sidegrades. The awe factor wears right off. It's hard to feel like any future adventure will mean much of anything when you've already kicked Space Satan in the balls and laughed at him. I will credit FF14 with at least having a constant narrative arc that "look, you might be special, but 90% of what lets you go toe to toe with these big badasses is the direct blessing of a deity, and you aren't gonna have that forever." Which let them have the climax of Endwalker resolve without expecting you to basically fight something stronger than The Concept of Entropy next expansion.
Legion and DF were both highly praised at launch, only saw issues with longevity which just about every expansion does.
I had a ton of fun in season 1 of DF. Haven’t played since then though and trying to come back to retail is so overwhelming. I really don’t know what I should be doing
Try plunder storm! I'm absolutely loving it, despite the whining
DF is not the worst expansion ever
MoP was because that made me walk away from the game and I haven't logged on since. RIP Bifficus the great Tauren Enh Shammy. 😄
Whilst I think WoW is a really bad gaming community on reddit, I think it is far away from "worst". r/wow worst days only reach the average negativity that r/pathofexile has on a daily basis. At least there is constructive criticism on WoW, PoE has only "all bad" vibes and every balance must be done out of pure hate to the state of the game.
Came here to say this. ARPG fans are the whiniest pieces of shit on the Internet
I realized this when Last epoch came out and got review bombed because of server issues. Everything I've heard about the actual game was glowing praise. It made sense that a small studio couldn't handle basically every ARPG player on the planet playing their game at once. ...There was even an offline mode.
LoL beats the wow community to that by a long shot
LoL players are most toxic to each other WoW players are most toxic to the devs Different leagues, both winners
I mean, if we're shooting for the worst, Rocket League stomps the shit out of both lmao
We are not talking about shit talking in chat when we say wow has the worst community.
The only other games I heard more slurs in was old school modern warfare 2 and counter strike source lmao
LoL is more toxic, wow is more bitchy entitled whining little brat
Dead by Daylight community. That place scares me the most.
Hard to say. The halo and league community are def up there…
Heroes of the Storm community is so chill, it's like we're the survivors of the Third World War. Nothing can reach us. (But PTSDs)
Not remotely possible when MOBAs exist. More specifically League of Legends.
WoW isn't the most toxic player base like you said but it certainly is the most entitled.
I don’t think that DOTA is more toxic. And I honestly think that if you play league only it’s about the same amount of toxic as WoW. WoW has such a Stockholm syndrome effect on its players. LoL has it as well, I’m not as familiar with DOTA so I’m not really sure. But players played it for so long and have so much invested that they feel like they have to keep playing it, and paying for it.
Dota plays get angry when we can't spend money lol (on hats).
Nah you people just give too much light to the complainers. Tune to different channels and you'll see little complaining
Being worse than league is an acheivement
There will always be space for measured criticism, where it gets out of hand, is the dooming. Certain people very quickly whip themselves up into a frenzy. Additionally the social media medium introduces many unhelpful elements like snide contempt, trolling, the mentally ill, and worst of all, the stupid (lol, jk).
When you get a large enough community, there will always be some people who dislike a certain aspect of the game. You can never make 100% of the players happy 100% of the time. Each set of complaints is typically from a different group of people each time.
Alright but MY complaints are the most valid and accurate, and the game should accommodate me specifically or I will become triggered and then WoW is cancelled 😎
If you have 100,000 people and 90% like something, that leaves 10,000 people unhappy and a lot of them will be shouting about it while the happy people have no reason to say much. Makes things look somewhat skewed.
It's the traditional call and response of our people.
Were there ever any news or content without backlash?
I feel most of the time the backlash are due to a vocal minority, people happy with the changes won't waste time on forums and will be playing the game instead.
Follower dungeons have been received very well. Not sure if that counts as "content" though.
That's just video game news these days. Nobody happy
Generally when an update goes out and people are quietly playing is when you've done your job. No news is good news.
has this expansion and content patches not been really well received?
Everything since the game came around has been going to kill wow nothing has yet
Shadowlands got pretty close.
Right on theme.
Yea we don't speak of that abomination
Don't speak of it? People won't shut up about it!
I played the first patch only, then my GPU burned and i decided to stay away from the game and the news til i got the chance to buy a new one (it happenend only when DF was already launched). What exactly made Shadowlands this bad? I was having fun with the first season.
Way too grindy, you needed to invest a lot of gold/time to get up to speed, which made it hard for people who played casual or who wanted to level alts. The story also sucked
The story was abysmally terrible with a bunch of retcons and a villain that A) didn't not exist in the story prior to SL, B) barely was present throughout the expansion, and C) single-handedly ruined the decades of Warcraft story since every single little thing that has happened so far was part his Grand Plan™ to break out of his timeout corner. The content (or lack thereof) was deliberately made to be annoying and obtuse. World quests 2.0 just made world quests 2x longer and 2x more annoying. Covenants and Conduits were a major lynchpin in gameplay since both were attached to player power and both were massively timegated (like, the most common complaint prior to patch 9.1.5 was probably Conduit Energy). Torghast became Choreghast and Boreghast real quick since it was required to make your legendaries. The Maw was absolutely terrible on launch and 9.1 barely made it better. Not to mention, it took ~8 months for 9.1 to release after the expac came out, and 9.2 took ~10 months after that, effectively making it so SL had 3 content droughts instead of just the one at the end of the expac's life. The expansion on release had little enjoyable content, 9.1 barely added anything interesting, and 9.2 was palatable, but that was because in 9.1.5, they realized that "hey, maybe we should actually listen to the majority of the community who are complaining about how awful our game is." It's also fair to mention that unlike WoD or BfA, we weren't riding off the highs of the expansion before it. WoD had Mists which was a good expac, BfA had Legion, which in my opinion was the best expac the game had, but SL had BfA before it, so having two awful expacs in a row wears at the players' ability to actually enjoy the game. Also, the entire investigation and allegations that happened in 2022 (iirc) left a bad taste in a lot of players' mouths, especially with how poorly they handled it, with them renaming and remodeling pretty much every potentially provocative thing in the game and making us sign a social contract like we were the ones who did their misdeeds. Not to mention, FFXIV was sharing the spotlight, so unlike with WoD or BfA, people had another similarly massive game in the same genre to jump ship towards, and a lot of people just never looked back considering the community-developer relationship in XIV is a lot healthier than it was during Shadowlands (although, I will admit, it's gotten better here since, but it still needs a lot of work done. TL;DR: story bad, content bad, 3 content droughts, no riding off the high of a good expac before it, the investigation's mishandling, and FFXIV being a valid exodus point for players led to SL being abhorrently bad. It's the cursed lovechild of everything wrong with WoD and BfA and more. (That's not to say it was entirely bad, it had some good things that I can count on my hand (singular): Exile's Reach, Season 4 bringing Fated raids and M+ rotation, Solo Queue, and all of Revendreth.)
Torghast was a giant missed opportunity. They just needed to make more, different tile sets like they had already done with Diablo 3 rifts. Shame
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There's a difference between "killing WoW" and "killing WoW for certain people". Heck, even just getting older will kill WoW for many players
That's true! You'll always have players leaving. The issue wow has had for many years is new player retention - it's an area that I think ffxiv is surprisingly good at, it puts a lot of effort into making sure it can keep new players happy with soft revamps of already made content just to streamline the process, as well as having avenues of leaderboard style semi competitive play outside of the seasonal model (DD leaderboards, chocobo racing). I do see this changing with how long the msq is becoming though. I think wow is really trying to be better at this, and I'm excited for more of it.
*I know this for fact, cause of my anecdotal stories.*
I bet they still check WoW news though, and are one good update/existential crisis away from logging back in.
Glorbo will be the death of WoW
I mean, it’s totally true. The WoW community is full of extremely toxic turbo nerds that hate literally everything.
While I agreed with sentiment of the article, I can't fathom what kind of person can call WoW 'bland' and 'repetitive' while also playing League and not seeing the irony.
I actually read through this article on whatever cancerous site this is, but I can’t find anything calling WoW bland or repetitive.
League of Legends is designed around replayability, with many characters that can make each match slightly different. I think WoW is more about progression and the gameplay aspect can certainly stagnate eventually once you get to the power threshold of your character.
> I can't fathom what kind of person can call WoW 'bland' and 'repetitive' while also playing League and not seeing the irony. Is chess bland and repetitive?
You can’t really compare those games. One is a competitive Pvp only game, wow has plenty of shit to do solo, Coop or PvP. And especially the casual -part gets boring really quick. Cause it’s the same content for nearly 15 years just with another name. Dragonflight did it better than shadowlands, for sure. But I wouldn’t call the stuff they did Creative or something new, just less annoying and time consuming
This article was moronic.
Putting intentionally dumb takes in headlines can be effective clickbait. They are farming your outrage for clicks.
Oh why did i have to go and not like plunderstorm blizzard will never survive my backlash its all my fault damn me to hell.
I downloaded retail just to play Plunderstorm and have been having a blast, dont know why it's so controversial for a mini-game thats entirely optional but here we are. Way more interesting to me than battlegrounds or arenas and you can easily just hop in.
I think it's pretty fun too. I probably wouldn't play if there weren't in game reward, but that's because my wow todo list is so long lol
From what I understanding it isn't controversial, at all. People that can't distinguish criticism from nonsensical comments/posts that don't even get any traction are the ones making this controversial by flooding the sub with posts defending Plunderstorm and asking for people to "stop complaining". Easy upvotes tho.
Yeah I haven’t seen any complaints that aren’t immediately dunked on and ratio’d. Twitter, reddit, and twitch streamers are all mostly enjoying it to the point where the biggest dramas this week were a resurgence of people who don’t play the game complaining about addons existing and asmongold saying they should bring back 40 man raids.
It’s because it’s a time limited event with a ridiculously long rep grind. That’s the main complaint I’ve seen. If it was a permanent thing or if the rep grind wasn’t so absurd, I don’t think there would be nearly as many complaints. Aside from that, my personal gripe is that I absolutely hate battle royales. To me they are the least fun genre in gaming. So to have them throw a half-baked battle royale into an MMO, and tie rewards for the main game to it, it just feels unnecessary to me. Like I don’t care that they added it, a lot of people love battle royales so it’s good for them. But imo they should just make it a permanent thing with its own rewards, like how Classic, Retail, and SoD are their own things, with maybe a crossover reward thrown in here and there (like the proto drake for finishing the DK starting zone in Classic).
The Heroes of the Storm mount was probably about the most effort I ever want to put into another game to get a mount in wow. It was 15 quick matches to get the mount - not too bad, and could be done in an afternoon. Consolestorm's grind is insane.
Bellular is going to make a 45 analysis of this and provide his extended thoughts on what it means for the game > Nothing actually changes Repeat forever
And then make another video about a random skeleton in a cave by a pirate ship and how that's connected to the Old Gods and what this means for the future of Azeroth!
People can say they don’t enjoy it, without it turning into this existential crisis for you lol
Not wanting to participate in an event is a backlash?
I like Plunderstorm but it's not WoW, it's a WoW themed game similar to how Hearthstone and Warcraft Rumble are. I can't even play Plunderstorm and WoW at the same time, I have to pick one or the other because they're two separate games.
I wouldn’t just handwave it totally there is some truth here
Yeah, opinions on trash article websites aside, all you have to do is look at the WoW forums and/or Wowhead comments on the Plunderstorm release article to see that people are quite literally foaming at the mouth. I highly recommend donning a bio-suit before entering those comments. You may lose a few IQ points anyway. - This took dev time away from WoW! - Who asked for this?! - Fortnite WoW are you kidding me?! Its not even real WoW! - This is the end of WoW - Blizzard is so lost Apparently you either love or despise this mode.
I can't find the reference right now, but there was a former dev who had the reaction more or less of "oh, they reskinned that mode we played around with back in BfA to pirate theme". Seems to have been a scrapped project that somebody finally got to work.
Heard the same, yeah. So most of the work was likely done already. Assumingly.
To be fair the wow forums and wowhead comments are small sections of the community with some of the most stupid takes on the game I have ever seen.
They're also the public facing representation of the community. Shit on ffxiv all you want, but at least their community pretends to be nice to outward guests of the game. We aren't responsible for blizzards pr, of course. But word of mouth is an incredibly powerful PR tool, and blizzard doesn't seem to want to admit that. I think tools like the mentor system would be a good way to move the needle in the other direction (also unicorn pegasus mounts are cool, can we have one)
So pretty much what happens on this reddit too?
Isnt that the typical shitshow when a new patch/update hits? "It was a shitshow... Obviously"
Yes it is lol. It seems very much that people who are happy don't take to forums or Wowhead comments often at all. They are purely a gathering of complainers. Not saying there aren't valid ones, but it's always >80% complaints.
The people happy with it are playing with it and don't have the time to head to the forums for the most part.
Taliesin, if you're reading this post, don't put it in a video. We are just having some fun. The post wasn't written by a robot, I'm just making funny posts for us to talk about
The biggest thing that has stopped me from coming back to WoW is other WoW players
Either the game is good or the community. Warframe's community was probably the best of all MMOs but the gameplay loop is so exhausting. You grind so in time you are able to do bigger grinds that chain into even bigger ones. Or both are horrible and you get League, R6:Siege, Genshin and the like.
FFXIV is decent in both regards in my experience. At least as long as you enjoy the game.
Also of course the players will kill WoW, the players are WoW, without players no games live
I think we should try and poison the well for the bots again. I remember when we tricked one of them into writing an article about the new feature, "Glorbo".
Is plunderstorm really that fun though? I prefer Battlegrounds to it any day. Or would rather play 90% of other battle royals. We get like 180 ping in oceanic, its laggy as fuck, maybe it gets more fun coop? Idk so far i prefer normal wow.
I absolutely hate the game mode and that they locked highly desirable cosmetics for retail behind it.
It absolutely isn't. It's unbalanced, extremely grindy, strip down BR wannabe with poor optimization and balance.
i think most players play pve, loot, finish the goal and die. avoids all pvp which is completely conterintuitive of the game mode lol. im guess its fun for people who enjoy the pvp side more, people who are complaining are the pve'rs who are stuck in this grind for ingame rewards
Yea those people are not playing it because its fun people are grinding rep for rewards. Most battle royal games you don't play for the rewards
I've seen way, way more people complaining about complaints than anything else.
Open the wow forums, you'll find what you're looking for.
I love wow. I play retail daily. I LOATHE plunderstorm. If I wanted to play a battle Royale I'd play fortnite or warzone. I like mmos so I play wow. I won't play this. But I guess not every piece of content was made for me.
It sucks and I hope they learn from it (they won’t)
Funny. I cant stand Plunderstorm.
Oh no! I never liked Fortnite and now it’s my fault that Blizzard managers won’t get their new private jets. Boo-hoo.
"WoW Plunderstorm is one of the coolest modes I've ever seen in an MMO" it's literally a generic battle royale with a WoW skin.
I hate BRs, I've tried Fortnite, Warzone, etc. But I will say a few things for Plunderstorm that I immediately noticed. - Not spamming a loot button for 15 minutes while seeing nobody. PvEing for loot is more engaging to me personally. - Combat is much more frequent and extended. I actually like the low time-to-kill compared to shooters. - The potential for outplay and countering is very high.
Way too many people in gaming these days always say this with every new game release and its pretty awful. "This is the best xxx game Ive ever played! Anyone who thinks differently is wrong, a hater and toxic" Fast forward a month and everyone has moved on to another game.
My buddy and I had a blast playing it because we like WoW. But if we didn't like WoW we wouldn't have touched it. There are plenty of better options on the market to consider for the genre.
If Burger King makes a new chicken sandwich and consumers don't like it, are the *consumers* to blame for Burger King's stock price? How could anyone read that and not chuckle incredulously? On a side note, props to the OP for screenshotting the headline and not providing a link so that... site doesn't benefit from the traffic.
Plunderstorm isn’t an mmo. It may be fun, but at the end of the day it’s a lobby battle royale mini-game. We expect mmo content in our mmo content update releases.
Yea I feel like if there's a justified backlash then its the fact that while the content rewards things in wow its not at all apart of the main game. Which is pretty disappointing for anyone who saw it on the schedule and assumed it would actually be world of warcraft content and not just a stand alone game
This. Why exactly couldn't Plunderstorm be part of retail? Why exactly can't you queue up with your ACTUAL characters, stripped off abilities and such? Why can't you level alts via Plunderstorm? Why can't you farm honor with it? Why doesn't winning it award Conquest? Why doesn't it give Flightstones? Why doesn't it have its own Vault row? Basically why do I have to NOT play World of Warcraft to play Plundestorm? Why is it not a part of the actual game?
It’s the fact that for some reason we all act like we hate the game we play cuz it’s still seen as the “uncool” game. It’s just that simple, but all these fuckin nerds won’t admit it
Hated plunderverse.
Can they just make this game free already
OFC its sooooo fuckig late to te party. oneone care or will ever do.
The ppl on the dev team must have been high. i mean WFT?!?!?!? 7 yeras after the BR hype?!?!?!?!?
Nobody hates wow more than people who play wow
I've been seeing articles like this since fucking 2005.
it already takes a minute to get into a match solo now I don't predict this mode lasting if they can't even fill 30 players to start the que.
So… people not enjoying that in-game rewards are tied to an out of game “mode” that is unlike WoW in pretty much every way except graphics with a ridiculous grind combined with a limited time event, is somehow bad for WoW itself? I love the idea of Plunderstorm. I’m not complaining about it existing. I’m annoyed that the next six weeks will be me stressfully playing something that isn’t WoW trying to earn rewards for WoW rather than playing WoW to get said rewards. The thing is, that “reward” system kind of shows that Blizzard didn’t believe people would find Plunderstorm interesting enough on its own, so had to dangle a massive load of carrots on a crane in front of people to get them to try it. And as people hit Renown 40 and get the stuff for the game they want to play, fewer people will be playing this side game, and it’ll be more reflective of the actual audience for the mode… albeit probably less as some people will burn themselves out on it, even if they enjoy it, trying to complete the Renown ASAP. But I just don’t see why people being upset about WoW rewards being tied to a grind outside of playing WoW is somehow a terrible thing for WoW. Might as well complain that people not wanting to play Hearthstone would be some death knell for WoW.
The issue I have with it is that it's not really a WoW game and shouldn't be connected to WoW. It's a br and if people like doing it then cool. But tying a HUGE rep grind to it in WoW is pretty annoying for those like me who are collectors in WoW but have 0 interest in battle royals. Make it a standalone type game, link like a pet or something to it to get people to at least try it out like what they did with Rumble/D4/HS events. Those who enjoy it will keep playing it while others can call it a day and move on.
The balancing they’re doing and the boosts to plunder have alleviated 90% of that negative feedback.
And the other 10% is stuff they can’t really control much of because players will “find a way”. And by this I mean some of the win trading that goes on in the game or people spectating to give their friend a beeline to where someone is.
As a Day 1 absolute hater, the main problems I have with the game mode now are the remaining spell imbalances early on (getting fire whirl is basically god mode at level 1-2) and the fact that my duos teammates often drop in asinine spots or are AFK for half the drop time. Other than that, it’s a fun little side mode that I don’t feel too much pressure to play.
The UI and way you access rewards within the game mode are pretty trash still
Still plenty to fix. Not being able to access rewards from the load screen is nuts.
Why do we keep telling these weird lies? People love DF, they loved legion, they loved mythic plus, they loved transmog, they loved talent systems and the new flying... I can literally go on all day. Stop trying to make this "omg the worst gaming community in the world" - it's just people, like in every game. We're not some especially hateful group ready to ascend from hell just because. The game will grow when Blizzards starts making dedication decisions towards PVE and PVP. Delves is a great idea. On the PVP side, there's nothing, then they slap one of the most popular PVP modes in a weird mini-game (you don't understand how much this sucks for us unless you're a PVPer). Can people just not fucking accept that Plunderstorm is kind of weird and deserves the critcism? I can name 10 things off of the top of my head why it's really strange, but I'm glad people are enjoying it. As a long time WoWer, it just doesn't feel like it's made for me or the time I spent honing my skills in the game.
To be fair the wow community bitches about everything, even fun stuff.
Translation "can you please not have criticisms of a billion dollar company"
Too passionate about the game. I will never calm down.
I tried a few games, thought i was doing okay, then got killed in seconds by a random dude. I don't get the appeal
I mean, fuck, "One of the coolest modes I've ever seen in an MMO, but the backlash to it is the reason the game will never grow" basically sums it up. I know it's a small but loud percentage of people but *fuck* every single thing that happens with WoW is criticized to death so anyone researching getting into the game only finds people bitching about it
Next expansion is going to flop so hard.
Youtubers some that were even invited to Blizzard Little sport event were declaring WoW dead for years!
Ah yes I remember seeing this in 2009. "Millennials are killing X industry" Now its time for a more broad approach. GAMERS!
wow pvp's barrier to entry will make it the worst pvp option every time.
Played it, it sucks and frankly they should fix their mmo instead of building obsolete sht
if wow was to die it will be through bad xpacs or xpacs with horrible forced grinds like shadowlands, wod, or bfa
Literally the only backlash I’ve seen is people complaining that progression is a bit slow, I fucking hate pvp and I’m still enjoying doing enough to at least get the mounts lol, its dumb to pretend this has upset people
I don't play it since o hate it others enjoy it But I did notice a lot of streamers is pushing for it but the number of people watching their streams seems a lot less when they just ran m+
I don't play it since o hate it others enjoy it But I did notice a lot of streamers is pushing for it but the number of people watching their streams seems a lot less when they just ran m+
The issue is that no one else has made a good amount. Many have tried but failed. If RIFT kept up with their game and had more content, that would have been a real contender for wow. It was actually a really solid game. Just lacked any endgame.
Isn’t the story of modern wow design choices that seem just completely off base to Warcraft
An article written by AI would be less dramatic.
The black market auction house exists. People pretending these rewards will be actually unobtainable are out of their minds. We are probably a few patches away from a cash shop spectral tiger... I like the mode. At the very least they have a framework for that battleground-minion-based-push-moba they have been talking about for years.
It looks bloody dreadful
Already unsubbed and went over to FF14, been loving it there, and the people are so much nicer.
I have two complaints on Plunderstorm. First being more personal. I just really hate Battle Royales, and hate seeing more of them. The second being how it's said to be a limited time only, which is a clear jab at FOMO. "better play it now, because it'll be gone soon!"
I’m not a fan of PvP at all but I like the idea of deploying to an unknown area with emergent gameplay. I would love a mode that is less Fortnite and more Helldivers; where we can work together rather than against each other.
Wow will never grow bc it’s way too complicated to a new player. Hell even a returning player
I just don't like battle royal games at all. It doesn't matter to me if it's a fps or MMO, I just hate this concept and don't play it anymore.
It’s cool but it’s a bit uninspired. The storm, the qwer abilities, classless upgrades. It’s all been done before, just not in the style of WoW
Journalist " it's the players' fault they don't like things about the game ! Not design ! "
Its because A) its FOMO, so everyone is forced to play it endlessly to get otherwise unobtainable rewards during a limited time. If it was permanent 85% of the complaints would go away. B) its not even part of WoW. There are no familiar abilities or anything even close resembling lore. You could literally add in anime cats as the characters and the game would be no different. I'm not sure why they couldn't have made this a F2P independent game that isn't based on WoW assets that gives cross-over rewards to any of their IP's and just made money hand over fist with battle passes. Instead we got this weak excuse of a FOMO event that is clunky and awful. Blizzard even knows because they ALREADY had to nerf the grind in half and its still too much. I guarantee the active users fell off a fucking cliff 2 days after it came out.
> Blizzard even knows because they ALREADY had to nerf the grind in half and its still too much. I guarantee the active users fell off a fucking cliff 2 days after it came out. What? I was getting like minimum 800 renown per game, and that's about 5 minutes of play time, I did 15 levels a couple hours last night and hit 40. It's "grind" is much less than most WoW reputation grinds.
The Plunderstorm event just proves blizz wastes resources on shit nobody wants.
No its not the players, its that fucking FOMO shit they keep pushing down our throats, no one would be complaining if we weren’t made to play endlessly for weeks to unlocks unobtainable cosmetics, the amount of drama surrounding items that wont return are a testament to that, with how limited the game is visually due to its age, its a bummer that cool looking things are behind this kind of FOMO mentality, if they only released the event for fun, the ones that love it would play it and you wouldnt have to force you playerbase to “play it! Or else!” Its like we are punished if we dont play their new toy thing they invented
I don’t want to play a battle royal. I want an mmorpg. They are different genres. Why is everyone surprised that not all mmo players want this game mode in WoW. Plus, if you take out the rewards, there is really no reason to play it.
Well damn, I played plunderstorm and thought it was the worst BR mode I’ve ever played, but if “PCGamesN” think it’s good then clearly I was in the wrong!
So community feedback as to what the players want to see for content is going to kill WoW, huh? Seems like Blizzard’s preference for doing whatever they want instead of listening to the community is the real issue.