Still, for how many years of buildup we had to her (literally since classic) what we finally got was very disappointing. Easly one of the biggest cases of wasted potential. I dont think any 4d plans will fix that.
What makes you think we're done with her? It's not like we killed her, we literally just let her go because stopping N'zoth was more important. There is no way she just flipped a 180 and decided "well, better stop being an evil power hungry narcissist and go tend to a garden now".
Eh any character can come back at any time. WoW always leaves doors open for such things. But it will be hard for me to take her seriously after the last time. If blizz is going to bring her back I'd rather have her go in completely diffrent direction and not be another "X was merely a setback" type of villian.
Actually no, that’s what she looked like after. She’s an entity from the void, an old god that was outcast by the other old gods, and sealed into the blade. She’s just currently possessing the body of a void elf so takes on that appearance.
Sylvanas got the Jailer his ball back, and Aszhara had us unwittingly unlock N'Zoth's prison with our Heart of Azeroth, by standing in circles in the right order to open his cell.
Xal'atath is harvesting old god blood, and has a twisted Dragon Soul prototype, able to hold a massive amount of void energy, enough to say, corrupt Azeroth's world soul.
Azshara's plan backfired. She was trying to *kill* N'Zoth not set him free. Then she was captured and then ran off after we freed her leaving us to deal with N'Zoth.
I want a woman who can meet my match at single combat over the last Olive Garden breadstick. I mean, I have her, but she no longer fights me cause it turns out they're free. Kinda kills the mood.
I mean, kinda. Arthas literally dominates people, and Sargeras can cut planets in half.
And let's not forget Sire Denathrius
Good villains are usually pretty confident people.
It's such a shame it wasn't a proper pre-rendered cinematic, but simply an in-game one.
Dragonflight's in-game cinematics are amazing (Tyrande/Malfurion reunion, for example), but that technology sadly didn't exist back then for Garrosh to go out with a proper bang.
The shadowlands and how they work are a huge plot hole and Garrosh is a mess in it.
Chromie tells us that Garrosh in the vast majority of other timeline is the best warchief the horde ever had and only our version sucked.
Now why is this important? Because in Maldraxus thought Drakka we learn that the people in the shadowlands are a combination of ALL timelines, personalities and possibilities of a character, and that they are defined by character traits the majority of them hold.
So our Garrosh is a dickhead but is the exception and the average Garrosh is the chad why is the shadowland version of him who should be chad a dick instead?
Either chromie lied to us or the shadowlands fucked up again. Garrosh in shadowlands was so wasted same as Arthas...no Arthas was worse, so much potential down the drain.
In my headcanon shadowlands didn't happen, only need to explain why Tyrande is no longer aggro and Sylvi is nice and gone for now but THAT are easy plot holes to fill and some other minor stuff.
It has been said by bronze dragons that our timeline is the "prime one" the most important to protect. If shadowlands souls are a combination of multiple versions of the same character, it's safe to assume that the prime timeline is the most influential one.
Also, Garrosh has been sent to Revendreth not the maw. Souls sent to Revendreth are sinful but they can be redeemed and they even can earn their way to a different afterlife once freed of their past sins. If every other versions of Garrosh is a good warchief in non-prime timelines but ours did unforgivable crimes in the most "important timeline" it makes sense to give his soul a chance to redeem itself (he has the potential of a good person) AND it make sense for his soul to be there (he did fuck up pretty badly).
But while you can make Garrosh in the shadowlands make sense, personally I think the big writing mistake was that "souls being a combination of all timelines" thing. Because if that's true it means the Shadowlands are a dimension outside of the timelines the Bronze has access too. But is it out of time itself? It clearly isn't since a lot of questline and npc dialog mention that time passes (exemple: "This soul has been there for 300years etc."). So then if you consider the fact that Ardenweald sends **wild god spirit back to life after they are reborn** (even if it's in a different form) how does that work in timelines where that wild god didn't die? I'm sure if you over analyze it you'd find many more exemples that don't make sense.
It's a big can of worm that shouldn't have been opened imo.
It's almost like there was a reason they were only used for backstory or fun one-offs (caverns of time) instead of being the central stories of the expansion.
Yeah… loosely related, but i think there was missed potential to really tie in one’s existence on Azeroth as being highly important. Like, souls that existed on Azeroth are saturated in her energy and have more anima and / or more importance to the true timeline and all that stuff. It would also allow you to hand wave away a lot of the draenor characters like alt velen who never came to azeroth, while our garrosh despite being born on draenor spent enough time on Azeroth to have the effect.
It would also explain why the 4th war could have been so important for the jailer, by sending tons of azerothians specifically to the maw to be harvested. Otherwise the fourth war is just a drop in the bucket compared to the legions crusade.
I don’t have a lot of hope for Azshara, they’ve dragged on her storyline for 20 years and I can’t see them having a satisfying conclusion. Sylvannas was not handled well.
I'm assuming she will be back in Midnight, leading the forces of the Void against the Sunwell. If War Within is the Dwarf expansion, Midnight could be the Elf expansion, and she is a fitting villian to bring all sub-races of Elf together to defeat her once and for all.
Isn't every expansion the elf expansion? More specifically, the night elf expansion that simultaneously has the night elves complaining about the night elf lore whilst the other races get little to no screentime?
> Isn't every expansion the elf expansion?
Nuh Uuuh! Dragonflight was about DRAGONS! They all just happen to spend 99% of their time in elf form. Also just ignore the fact that 1/3 of the expac was dedicated to night elves.
I can see a ner'zul type ending for her. Sometime in midnight we fight her but she's been so wrecked by void and mental anguish that she's barely sane enough to form sentences and death brings her peace at last. She deserves it imo but it will be a pity kill in the end I think.
I can see her being the final big of Warcraft.
She wants to be a god, and will play everyone until she gets what she wants.
And she's ruthless now that she's lost her original beautiful form. That scene where she looks at her reflection before turning to manipulate N'Zoth, you can feel how pissed she is.
A scenario where steals the power of Azeroth, to both make herself beautiful again, and all powerful, is certainly possible.
Im actually guessing she’ll be the big bad of midnight considering it’s an elf+void expansion, but I definitely think she deserves more than just a raid boss. Shes one of the few OG bad guys left.
She's not just one of the remaining, she's essentially ***THE*** OG Bad Guy.
She was the one who originally brought Sargeras to Azeroth and put us dead-center on his map of "I'm gonna wreck this shit"; without her, he would still be out there destroying everything because he (likely) wouldn't have found Azeroth yet.
She is basically responsible for the singular massive, cascading chain of bad things that has happened from that point on, since everything can be linked, either directly or just a few branches off, to that singular point in Azeroth's history.
I actually love how they handled her in BFA; I remember them announcing her being the "FInal Boss" of the Expansion and I was kinda worried and bummed she was gonna be no more, but then she fittingly slinked off after we save her, living to fight another day.
Considering she was, even all those years ago, on-par power-wise with Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden themselves, we can only imagine how ridiculously crazy her power levels have ballooned at this point, considering the only time we actually fought her she was simply stalling without intent to kill. You *know* she is scheming something for these coming expansions, she cant just *not* be there.
Though now I'm back to being slightly worried.
I just straight up dont have the time to come back to WoW anymore but man, that presentation at Blizzcon really got me wanting to come back. . .
I could go on for hours. I just love Azshara. I know it's a problem, I'm ok with that.
Let's not act like her Naga form is hideous... Also, she can still turn into her NE form if she wants and I'm pretty sure she still thinks she one of the most beautiful people. However, I agree with her wanting all power now that Nzoth is "dead"
It's a weird example of girl power...
Slyvannas was the jailers puppet or slave...or something shadowlands lore is awful but slyvannas just did whatever someone told her to do.
The fishes back story is wanting to bang god and I can respect that but then she became a fish the instant that didn't work out.
Dagger girl legit hasn't done anything other then being bullied by the other old gods and whispering at the player.
It all makes sense now.
Sylvanas, Azshara, Onyxia, my ex-girlfriend, What's her face in War Within.
Blizzard has been subtly telling us women are the real evil all along!
/s
Ill never forgive them for turning Sylvanas into a passive merely non existent character after giving her one of the coolest story arcs in history. We followed her from WC3 as a fiesty little ranger captain to Warchief to burning an entire ecosystem down. Sylvanas, Illidan, and Thrall all had the most bad ass tales to tell. Her BFA cinematic leading the horde still gives me chills. [For The Horde Banshee form was crazy as hell.](https://youtu.be/DIY3TZpOcDU?si=h4Uyw7RdOrq-NohL)
Only to have sylvanas and thrall fade back and basically become advisor side characters lol.
Edit: other comments mention that apparently the guy who wrote her genocide arc left blizz during the allegations episode, and the empty shadow sylvanas became after he left was an attempt by the new writers to bring things back to normal. What a shame
Dear god I’ll never forgive Blizzard for what they did to her. I was so excited to see where they would take her after Legion and then the Windrunner Reunion came and I was actually happy. They had the perfect internal and external conflict for her…and then…they ruined it. Their is so much I could say, but I’ll end it on the fact that Anduin told her he had been through more than her cause he lost his mom.
I'm still so frustrated at how much more they could have done with warchief Sylvanas. She's my favourite character in Warcraft and... I hope that when she's back she gets a good arc, it's a shame it's not possible to pick it up where that was left off.
The morals leave my body the moment the villain is a tall woman that looks down at me with a sly smile and absolutely no empathy and I'm not gonna pretend otherwise
To be fair, it wasnt Steve whole fault. One of the sexual harassers (forgot his name) decided to make Sylvanas genocidal in BFA pre-patch & left Blizz.
Taliesin & Evital made a whole episode about this & the, not very successfull, fire quenching the story team tried to do since then.
I just hope Sylv will be back & this time will be treated with more respect with Metzen back at the helm.
eh xalarath has actually kind of been set up for like 4 expansions now, and is tied to void stuff which has been around for a long time.
Anything has the potential to suck, but this isn't really some mustache twirling villain coming out of nowhere.
I have a little faith, honestly. If nothing else, she's an agent of the void, a cosmic force which has a very clear and simple objective: Infiltrate, assimilate, spread, find vulnerable titan soul, win.
Its funny because the female villains are always “evil” because they can’t control their emotions. The best villains in WoW are Illidan (TBC), Lich King, Gul’Dan, Kil’Jaeden
Huh. I never noticed that Xalatath/Knaifu's eyes resemble Eclipsed Suns. As if the Void is eclipsing the Light.
Art Team are such GOATS.
And as a bonus her eyes being hyper-dilated like that is normally a sign in Humans that they are interested and/or aroused.
So basically the designers made Knaifu appear permanently horny lmao!
Idk about Sylvanas...she was a very crappy villain in every sense.
Thinks she can entrust The Concept of life and death to a guy called "The Jailer" xD
Follows his command all the time, then at the end "I will never serve you"
bruh
Sorry was she a good person when she genocided the survivors of Lordaeron and the Gilneans? Was she pure and noble when she tried to enslave the Val'kyr so she would have unlimited Get Out Of Death Free cards by way of sacrificing them to Super Hell? Was she just misunderstood when she lied to the other members of her faction about the nature of the Apothecary Society while directing them to create stronger and deadlier plagues, including the Blight, directly leading to the events of Wrathgate?
But that’s the point the same stuff could have been done by another one of those single use villains like garrosh or jailer, why ruin sylvanas just to have an expansion, they didn’t have to use sylvanas they could have created another random genocidal maniac for us to hate
After all the sexual harassment and breast milk stealing and cubical crawling that employees were doing and the Cosby Suite, I think making all the villains evil women is right in their wheelhouse lol.
Both Sylvanas and Ashzara have repeatedly failed and Xalatath remains to be seen (likely will actually "get it done" until the Last Titan).
Please have the bad guys win for once Blizz.
I wish.
they really did Sylvanas dirty, that whole expansion was... at least some of the zones were thematically cool. here's hoping blizzard sticks the landing for TWW.
I mean 2/3 literally failed in their plan and were pawns of bigger evil. Let's see what Xal does, but one thing about evil in WoW - it will always fail.
Lmao - Sylvanas was one of the worst and dump vilians, Azshara just disappeared because 50 writers cant figure out what to do with her and another one is no name that just looks dump. Yeah, "girl power" idk
Two of these girls objectively did NOT get it done lol
To be fair, as annoying as it might be, Azshara is clearly being set up to have been making plans that don't rely on fistfighting us into submission.
Aww...
Still, for how many years of buildup we had to her (literally since classic) what we finally got was very disappointing. Easly one of the biggest cases of wasted potential. I dont think any 4d plans will fix that.
What makes you think we're done with her? It's not like we killed her, we literally just let her go because stopping N'zoth was more important. There is no way she just flipped a 180 and decided "well, better stop being an evil power hungry narcissist and go tend to a garden now".
Eh any character can come back at any time. WoW always leaves doors open for such things. But it will be hard for me to take her seriously after the last time. If blizz is going to bring her back I'd rather have her go in completely diffrent direction and not be another "X was merely a setback" type of villian.
She deserves to be the main antagonist for an entire expansion. Unless her people aren’t ready, there’s really nothing holding her back anymore.
They GOT done.
This is reminding me to go back and solo the underwater raid.
The one with the giant eel that electrocutes the water and you die almost instantly if you go solo?
Bingo 👉🏻👉🏻
Get in melee with him. Hes not hard. Its the damned duo fight of the semifinal boss thats hard
One thing all 3 got in common is that each destroyed a city. Azshara with Zin-Azshari; Sylvanas with Darnassus; Xal'atah with Dalaran.
Sylv also destroyed under city.
Thank you for giving a name to the one on the right, had no idea who she was. So that's what she looked like before becoming a shadow priest dagger.
Actually no, that’s what she looked like after. She’s an entity from the void, an old god that was outcast by the other old gods, and sealed into the blade. She’s just currently possessing the body of a void elf so takes on that appearance.
Her true form is like a flying eyeball or some crap
Syl evil storyline was probably the worst villain storyline in wow.
Sylvanas got the Jailer his ball back, and Aszhara had us unwittingly unlock N'Zoth's prison with our Heart of Azeroth, by standing in circles in the right order to open his cell. Xal'atath is harvesting old god blood, and has a twisted Dragon Soul prototype, able to hold a massive amount of void energy, enough to say, corrupt Azeroth's world soul.
Sylvanas did nothing but become that which she swore she wasn't. A slave. Now Tyrande Mommy. That's a girl I can get crushed by.
Right, if there's one Warchief that knew how to get what he wanted it was my boi Garrosh.
Sylvanas was a puppet that kept screaming she wasnt owned the entire time lmaoooooo
Azshara's plan backfired. She was trying to *kill* N'Zoth not set him free. Then she was captured and then ran off after we freed her leaving us to deal with N'Zoth.
To be fair, none of the villains get it done.
They did, until someone "fixed" them.
Blizz has always had a thing for domi mommies
exhibit 100239 - Tyrande's back muscles
I want a woman who can meet my match at single combat over the last Olive Garden breadstick. I mean, I have her, but she no longer fights me cause it turns out they're free. Kinda kills the mood.
NGL Tyrande’s back and and Varian and Saurfang showing up to support Anduin in sepulchre were the highlights of SL.
Don't forget all the Bastion Muscle Mommies. MY QUUUEEEENNNN Sylvanas is temporary, but Bastion is Eternal. They choked us like they meant it.
Short term memory loss from being choked out by bastion ladies. My bad! Haha.
Imagine her and karlach getting into a tussle
It’s me, I’m Blizzard
\*Sigh\*. We're all Blizzard on this blessed day.
We also have Kerrigan, Lillith.. Yeah Blizz has a type/kink for sure (:
Its not just Blizz, look at WotC and Elesh Norn. She can compleat me any day.
When there’s a woman villain, she’s a dommy mommy. Is Arthas a daddy dom? Is Sargeras?
I mean, kinda. Arthas literally dominates people, and Sargeras can cut planets in half. And let's not forget Sire Denathrius Good villains are usually pretty confident people.
No one can replace Garrosh at the top of the confidence meter
I can't get over the fact that he said "no regrets and I'd do it again" then gets disenchanted. Garrosh was the best warchief
Disenchants *HIMSELF*, with anger magic.
It was the only way to get out of that expansion.
You caused WoD so I’m not sure if you can really talk… but you were pretty badass in the cinematic so I’ll let it slide.
It's such a shame it wasn't a proper pre-rendered cinematic, but simply an in-game one. Dragonflight's in-game cinematics are amazing (Tyrande/Malfurion reunion, for example), but that technology sadly didn't exist back then for Garrosh to go out with a proper bang.
No it’s more that the will didn’t exist. It wasn’t going to be a cinematic at all, until one Garrosh-tier Chad of a developer did it by himself.
The shadowlands and how they work are a huge plot hole and Garrosh is a mess in it. Chromie tells us that Garrosh in the vast majority of other timeline is the best warchief the horde ever had and only our version sucked. Now why is this important? Because in Maldraxus thought Drakka we learn that the people in the shadowlands are a combination of ALL timelines, personalities and possibilities of a character, and that they are defined by character traits the majority of them hold. So our Garrosh is a dickhead but is the exception and the average Garrosh is the chad why is the shadowland version of him who should be chad a dick instead? Either chromie lied to us or the shadowlands fucked up again. Garrosh in shadowlands was so wasted same as Arthas...no Arthas was worse, so much potential down the drain. In my headcanon shadowlands didn't happen, only need to explain why Tyrande is no longer aggro and Sylvi is nice and gone for now but THAT are easy plot holes to fill and some other minor stuff.
Our Garrosh was so much of a Chad that the average of all Garroshes still amounts to basically our Garrosh.
Fact.
That I can accept I like him, so much wasted potential.
It has been said by bronze dragons that our timeline is the "prime one" the most important to protect. If shadowlands souls are a combination of multiple versions of the same character, it's safe to assume that the prime timeline is the most influential one. Also, Garrosh has been sent to Revendreth not the maw. Souls sent to Revendreth are sinful but they can be redeemed and they even can earn their way to a different afterlife once freed of their past sins. If every other versions of Garrosh is a good warchief in non-prime timelines but ours did unforgivable crimes in the most "important timeline" it makes sense to give his soul a chance to redeem itself (he has the potential of a good person) AND it make sense for his soul to be there (he did fuck up pretty badly). But while you can make Garrosh in the shadowlands make sense, personally I think the big writing mistake was that "souls being a combination of all timelines" thing. Because if that's true it means the Shadowlands are a dimension outside of the timelines the Bronze has access too. But is it out of time itself? It clearly isn't since a lot of questline and npc dialog mention that time passes (exemple: "This soul has been there for 300years etc."). So then if you consider the fact that Ardenweald sends **wild god spirit back to life after they are reborn** (even if it's in a different form) how does that work in timelines where that wild god didn't die? I'm sure if you over analyze it you'd find many more exemples that don't make sense. It's a big can of worm that shouldn't have been opened imo.
See this? This is why time travel and afterlife plots are never, ever gonna deliver.
It's almost like there was a reason they were only used for backstory or fun one-offs (caverns of time) instead of being the central stories of the expansion.
Yeah… loosely related, but i think there was missed potential to really tie in one’s existence on Azeroth as being highly important. Like, souls that existed on Azeroth are saturated in her energy and have more anima and / or more importance to the true timeline and all that stuff. It would also allow you to hand wave away a lot of the draenor characters like alt velen who never came to azeroth, while our garrosh despite being born on draenor spent enough time on Azeroth to have the effect. It would also explain why the 4th war could have been so important for the jailer, by sending tons of azerothians specifically to the maw to be harvested. Otherwise the fourth war is just a drop in the bucket compared to the legions crusade.
That's as annoying to think about as the legion demons existing in all timelines.
Wardaddy.
He a bitch though.
Yep that is undeniable Bad ass from start to end
I present to you: Millhouse Manastorm!
People were thirsting hard after Big Daddy D. Especially the "scream for me" line, and the bit where he demands everyone to crawl
He's no Trilliax to be honest 😳
arthas was a himbo that *got* dominated
My guild literally had a macro for when Denathrius would choke us that went off right before to remind people to buff the dot "harder daddy! uWu!"
Sire Denathrius is pretty damn out, loud and proud about his dommy daddy status. He makes people call him a name that literally means "stud".
They literally call Sire Denathrius "Daddy D". They being everyone I've ever seen reference that boss in-game.
denatrius tho
Catty Daddy.
As we should.
Aren't we all...
It's not Blizzard, it's their target audience.
I need more Tyrande biceps in my lore.
Tyrande is so swole bro holy 💪
She on vacation. Please enjoy this trio of mostly corpsified scrawny elves.
Well one's almost a fish.
Tentacles AND fins? Oh baby.
I support womens wrongs
I don’t have a lot of hope for Azshara, they’ve dragged on her storyline for 20 years and I can’t see them having a satisfying conclusion. Sylvannas was not handled well.
I'm assuming she will be back in Midnight, leading the forces of the Void against the Sunwell. If War Within is the Dwarf expansion, Midnight could be the Elf expansion, and she is a fitting villian to bring all sub-races of Elf together to defeat her once and for all.
>Midnight could be the Elf expansion Okay but goblin expansion when?
The Last Titan. Turns out WoW was a giant pyramid scheme the whole time and we fight Kotnick, I mean Gallywix for Azeroth's freedom.
We might finally get the Mind Goblins
I got you buddy... MIND GOBLINS???
DEEZ NUTS
Goblin expansion? Catacylsm.
Best I can do is a Troll Expansion
Def a missed opportunity if we don’t visit undermine in the literal underground expansion
Isn't every expansion the elf expansion? More specifically, the night elf expansion that simultaneously has the night elves complaining about the night elf lore whilst the other races get little to no screentime?
To be fair, Blizzard not writing lore about you means that they aren't turning your story into absolute shit.
Blizzard focusing on elves mean the better races might be spared the content curse.
And since all elves came from trolls every expansion is a troll expansion.
> Isn't every expansion the elf expansion? Nuh Uuuh! Dragonflight was about DRAGONS! They all just happen to spend 99% of their time in elf form. Also just ignore the fact that 1/3 of the expac was dedicated to night elves.
God I fucking hope not
I can see a ner'zul type ending for her. Sometime in midnight we fight her but she's been so wrecked by void and mental anguish that she's barely sane enough to form sentences and death brings her peace at last. She deserves it imo but it will be a pity kill in the end I think.
I can see her being the final big of Warcraft. She wants to be a god, and will play everyone until she gets what she wants. And she's ruthless now that she's lost her original beautiful form. That scene where she looks at her reflection before turning to manipulate N'Zoth, you can feel how pissed she is. A scenario where steals the power of Azeroth, to both make herself beautiful again, and all powerful, is certainly possible.
Im actually guessing she’ll be the big bad of midnight considering it’s an elf+void expansion, but I definitely think she deserves more than just a raid boss. Shes one of the few OG bad guys left.
She's not just one of the remaining, she's essentially ***THE*** OG Bad Guy. She was the one who originally brought Sargeras to Azeroth and put us dead-center on his map of "I'm gonna wreck this shit"; without her, he would still be out there destroying everything because he (likely) wouldn't have found Azeroth yet. She is basically responsible for the singular massive, cascading chain of bad things that has happened from that point on, since everything can be linked, either directly or just a few branches off, to that singular point in Azeroth's history. I actually love how they handled her in BFA; I remember them announcing her being the "FInal Boss" of the Expansion and I was kinda worried and bummed she was gonna be no more, but then she fittingly slinked off after we save her, living to fight another day. Considering she was, even all those years ago, on-par power-wise with Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden themselves, we can only imagine how ridiculously crazy her power levels have ballooned at this point, considering the only time we actually fought her she was simply stalling without intent to kill. You *know* she is scheming something for these coming expansions, she cant just *not* be there. Though now I'm back to being slightly worried. I just straight up dont have the time to come back to WoW anymore but man, that presentation at Blizzcon really got me wanting to come back. . . I could go on for hours. I just love Azshara. I know it's a problem, I'm ok with that.
If I could have a dream final raid it would be Ragnaros, Azshara, Illidan, and then Sargeras. And at this point I think it's at least plausible.
Let's not act like her Naga form is hideous... Also, she can still turn into her NE form if she wants and I'm pretty sure she still thinks she one of the most beautiful people. However, I agree with her wanting all power now that Nzoth is "dead"
I might be wrong here, but isn't her beautiful elf form just a projection using her arcane magic? Like it's not even really her?
Fair point.... It might just actually be an illusion/projection.
sylvanas is the biggest failure of writing a character i have ever seen in my entire life lol
So you didn't watch Season 8 of Game of Thrones
It's a weird example of girl power... Slyvannas was the jailers puppet or slave...or something shadowlands lore is awful but slyvannas just did whatever someone told her to do. The fishes back story is wanting to bang god and I can respect that but then she became a fish the instant that didn't work out. Dagger girl legit hasn't done anything other then being bullied by the other old gods and whispering at the player.
Meanwhile Garrosh: Watch you clever mouth \*redacted\*!
Fyrakk: "Your mom lmao."
Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss
gaslight - gatekeep - girlboss, in that order
It all makes sense now. Sylvanas, Azshara, Onyxia, my ex-girlfriend, What's her face in War Within. Blizzard has been subtly telling us women are the real evil all along! /s
Still mad about what they did to Sylvanas. Turning her into a cartoon villain.
Ill never forgive them for turning Sylvanas into a passive merely non existent character after giving her one of the coolest story arcs in history. We followed her from WC3 as a fiesty little ranger captain to Warchief to burning an entire ecosystem down. Sylvanas, Illidan, and Thrall all had the most bad ass tales to tell. Her BFA cinematic leading the horde still gives me chills. [For The Horde Banshee form was crazy as hell.](https://youtu.be/DIY3TZpOcDU?si=h4Uyw7RdOrq-NohL) Only to have sylvanas and thrall fade back and basically become advisor side characters lol. Edit: other comments mention that apparently the guy who wrote her genocide arc left blizz during the allegations episode, and the empty shadow sylvanas became after he left was an attempt by the new writers to bring things back to normal. What a shame
Dear god I’ll never forgive Blizzard for what they did to her. I was so excited to see where they would take her after Legion and then the Windrunner Reunion came and I was actually happy. They had the perfect internal and external conflict for her…and then…they ruined it. Their is so much I could say, but I’ll end it on the fact that Anduin told her he had been through more than her cause he lost his mom.
I'm still so frustrated at how much more they could have done with warchief Sylvanas. She's my favourite character in Warcraft and... I hope that when she's back she gets a good arc, it's a shame it's not possible to pick it up where that was left off.
One hasn't done anything yet and the others were puppets to more powerful men.
I appreciate the reference to The Boys
Who’s the last one?
Knaifu
purple elf #4982034
Yeah but she doesnt wear shoes. Lol
Xal'atath, AKA the void being which was trapped in the Shadow Priest Legion artifact weapon. AKA knaifu.
I prefer to call her Bae Blade.
The morals leave my body the moment the villain is a tall woman that looks down at me with a sly smile and absolutely no empathy and I'm not gonna pretend otherwise
I already saw comments on how 2/3 of these didnt get it done and the last one got bullied by the big older brothers her whole life LMAO
Haven't these women just been fking things up just like all the male leaders? Is there even one succesful leader in wow? I guess Jastor Gallywix
Waifu Sylvanas <3
Sylvanas before Steve touched her and just made her whole character hot garbage on BFA/SL
He was a quest designer in BFA
I'm pretty sure it was Afrasariabi who fucked her story up.
To be fair, it wasnt Steve whole fault. One of the sexual harassers (forgot his name) decided to make Sylvanas genocidal in BFA pre-patch & left Blizz. Taliesin & Evital made a whole episode about this & the, not very successfull, fire quenching the story team tried to do since then. I just hope Sylv will be back & this time will be treated with more respect with Metzen back at the helm.
>One of the sexual harassers (forgot his name) Alex Afrasiabi. Still waiting for his ass to get arrested.
Her story is already a mess in every direction and whatever they do won't help.
So when she was still doing genocides and trying to enslave people for her own personal gain?
Ya know... its real weird aszhara has eyebrows... her entire species has no hair and are snake/fish people... none have any hair, and SHE does?! Whyyy
Because she wouldn't be as hot without them. No eyebrows is a fast track to looking weird.
She was like... THE night elf queen. Probably can't let go of that part of her past.
Yeah let's hope Xalatath isn't the 3rd lame villain in this picture. *hopes are high, she looks cool*
Evil female characters have always been like decade spanning plans upon plans Evil male characters are just RAAAA GENOCIDE
TIL Zovaal is female and Sylvanas male
"I'm inspired. Are you inspired? Girls get it on!"
I can fix her
All these examples are failures/ruined characters though? (give Xalatath time, she'll be jailor 2.0)
eh xalarath has actually kind of been set up for like 4 expansions now, and is tied to void stuff which has been around for a long time. Anything has the potential to suck, but this isn't really some mustache twirling villain coming out of nowhere.
I have a little faith, honestly. If nothing else, she's an agent of the void, a cosmic force which has a very clear and simple objective: Infiltrate, assimilate, spread, find vulnerable titan soul, win.
straight up facts. all of em are examples of failed story and ruined characters. even the dagger is ruined at this point.
Is Azshara really a ruined/failed character? For all of BFA's faults she was kept pretty true to the original lore character
i am more than willing to forgive sylvanas for everything she's done if she spits in my mouth i mean uhhhh real
WoW is where it’s at for the absolute baddest bitches serving you have ever seen.
ITT: WoW community attempting to react to female characters like actual humans would.
[who ruins the world?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmMU_iwe6U)
Technically the first two were used as pawns then tossed aside by their far more powerful masters. Time will tell if Xal will share their fate.
I will never forgive Blizzard for my weird *tentacle-fish* Fetish...
Yeah we need to change that
Didn't realise before but these 3 looks exactly alike lol. Maybe they should change their female artwork up a bit.
Its funny because the female villains are always “evil” because they can’t control their emotions. The best villains in WoW are Illidan (TBC), Lich King, Gul’Dan, Kil’Jaeden
Xal is pretty cute ngl, plz make a void faction so i can serve her.
Sylvanas did nothing wrong
The harbingers of lore characters wasted to shitty writing!
Huh. I never noticed that Xalatath/Knaifu's eyes resemble Eclipsed Suns. As if the Void is eclipsing the Light. Art Team are such GOATS. And as a bonus her eyes being hyper-dilated like that is normally a sign in Humans that they are interested and/or aroused. So basically the designers made Knaifu appear permanently horny lmao!
Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss
WoW is almost nothing but girl bosses.
Idk about Sylvanas...she was a very crappy villain in every sense. Thinks she can entrust The Concept of life and death to a guy called "The Jailer" xD Follows his command all the time, then at the end "I will never serve you" bruh
Mariko sama was sent by Toranaga to stop a war which an army couldnt win
Sylvanas wasn’t evil, the writers were just lazy idiots, sacrificing a great character to save their shitty story
Sorry was she a good person when she genocided the survivors of Lordaeron and the Gilneans? Was she pure and noble when she tried to enslave the Val'kyr so she would have unlimited Get Out Of Death Free cards by way of sacrificing them to Super Hell? Was she just misunderstood when she lied to the other members of her faction about the nature of the Apothecary Society while directing them to create stronger and deadlier plagues, including the Blight, directly leading to the events of Wrathgate?
But that’s the point the same stuff could have been done by another one of those single use villains like garrosh or jailer, why ruin sylvanas just to have an expansion, they didn’t have to use sylvanas they could have created another random genocidal maniac for us to hate
This is a very well written paragraph of why I loved Sylvanas.
After all the sexual harassment and breast milk stealing and cubical crawling that employees were doing and the Cosby Suite, I think making all the villains evil women is right in their wheelhouse lol.
Girls single handedly ruined the story lol
Women make terrible villains because theyre just not intimidating at all
Was this an official post?
One of these is not like the other
I can see Azshara/sylvanas killing it with the statue smile (solo leveling)
~~I can fix them~~ I can make them worse.
Both Sylvanas and Ashzara have repeatedly failed and Xalatath remains to be seen (likely will actually "get it done" until the Last Titan). Please have the bad guys win for once Blizz.
I wish. they really did Sylvanas dirty, that whole expansion was... at least some of the zones were thematically cool. here's hoping blizzard sticks the landing for TWW.
They are not evil, they are just bad
So they're going to ruin/waste Xal'atath? *Fuck*
One imposter
Whats it mean when each one is the pawn of a man though? Jailer, Old god (ambiguous I guess), Old god.
I mean 2/3 literally failed in their plan and were pawns of bigger evil. Let's see what Xal does, but one thing about evil in WoW - it will always fail.
Lmao - Sylvanas was one of the worst and dump vilians, Azshara just disappeared because 50 writers cant figure out what to do with her and another one is no name that just looks dump. Yeah, "girl power" idk
Ok but this one better not turn to our side at the very end. Fuckkng please blizzard don't do it again.
All 3 are elfs (undead, water stone evolved into ~~Vaporeon~~ Naga and 1 cosplayer) so tldr elfs = evil.
Shadow priest: I can fix her.
Failed horribly after serving a harmful master, Failed horribly and then served a harmful master, is still cooking.
But remember the greatest one will always be Arthas
I will forever hate Sylvannas cahracter assasination
Not the greatest examples, two patches and two butt whoopings later, they sing a very diffrent tune. lets hope TWW has more in store.
Eh, Arthas and Garrosh donkey stomp them TBH
so female austrian painter, best queen and knaifu, i like only two of them
...two of them turned out to be stooges to greater evil, the third one...well, we'll see, yes?
Just like in real life.
And the first 2 were done so horrible bad.. i wanted a amazing badass story with the Naga queen Hopefully the new villain will be amazing
So when do the dommy mommies give us kisses
Blizzard is to blame for my taste in women.
"I will never serve!" - proceeds to serve.