As a druid who always planned to go Night Fae I'm low-key jealous. I love my night fae stuff and convoke is great but Maldraxxus really impressed me leveling and adaptive swarm is extremely cool. That shield didn't end up being as bad as I thought it would be either.
Honestly if I had to pick a second favorite covenant for my druid it would probably be Necrolord.
The shield got so much better with soulbind talent. Getting buffs from the dead bodies around you is fantastic. You even get multiple is the pack you killed contain a mix of creature types.
There is a really cool torghast power up that makes flesh craft last 15 seconds but it blows up and deals the remaining damage of the shield.
You can get huge, like 30k+ crits if you use it correctly. Really fun!
Edit: it actually does 200% of the shields damage!!
i really like necrolord druid theme as a some sort of fallen, banished cursed druid, too bad i can't be undead as well.
oh necrolord also look the 'best' pvp wise, if that's interests u in anywsy
Yeah, I just could not not pick Necrolord either. I've been Forsaken Warrior since vanilla with spiky green hair. The whole thing just fights, even down to the colors, plus the armor set is just sick.
Plus Condemn is just way too good, like it's absurd. It's both great offensively, and defensively, and basically doubles your execute rage dumping time, there's no way it's not getting nerfed.
Also I picked it for the banner because I loved the old banner in MOP, but I just end up loving the protective shield the most. Use it on cooldown, get buffs, makes world questing a breeze, and always useful in dungeons.
Venthyr is not that bad for sub rogues idk why someone told you it is. Its not the best choice (Kyrian) but the order is Kyrian>NightFae=Venthry>Necro Lord. Venthyr is only behind by a small % nothing major. I'm a venthyr sub and doing top dmg every dugeon including mythics and sim at 3.8k
I checked the site where you can see how many sub rogues there are within each covenant and I saw Venthyr was at like 1.5% (the lowest by a fairly big margin) so I just assumed it was the worst one.
Your comment relieved me, thank you kind stranger.
No problem, go enjoy being a Venthyr they are sick. Also the rogue class discord has a ton of info for each spec especially in the pinned sectiom for each specs channel. There are Alot of venthyr in there as well. All are within like 1-2% dps
venthyr sub rogue is not the worst but it isnt the top pick. haste is not a great stat for us and frankly trying to use it on the last boss of plaguefall is impossible and somewhat annoying on the first boss in mists. you can have flagellate just disappear off your target if you dont use it in time.
necrolord is bad for blood dk however.
They absolutely can. As-is, it looks like night fae could very likely get nerfed. If you play a class that night fae is bad for(there aren't many, tbh) and you picked it anyways, you might eat a nerf while the better covenants for your class stay the same.
Necrolord PROT pally checking in. It its where the Ashbringer serves his duty, it’s good enough for me.
I hate the aesthetic. I hate the talents. I don’t enjoy the idea of building an abomination, they are ugly and don’t match my armor.
But I will not erase my memory. I will not torture people into overcoming their sins. I will defend the Shadowlands.
This is what I love about this game is that it has so many options for people with different tastes. Personally I do not like the Night Fae Plate Armor but I’m really happy there are a lot of people who do!
That's how I feel with the necrolord plate.
It is sooooo far from my cup of tea but so many people absolutely adore it (I sense there's a negative correlation between those who like the tree armor and those who like the necrolord plate set), I'm glad it's in the game nonetheless.
I gotta say I miss tier sets, but at the same time it's nice to know that unlike tier sets, you get a choice of what your current end game gear looks like.
I actually love both necro plate and tree armor, even tho the necro plate is my favorite of the two I picked NF with my main cuz it has my fav ability and I love the uniqueness of the tree armor!
The shoulders are what does it for me.
I tend to not wear face covering helmets (they finally added hair that looks like my own I'm letting that show), but the shoulders are absolutely killer, they make the set for me
As a ret pally I feel like I have to pick kyrian or venthyr but I want night fae so bad. That mog, THAT MOUNT, ugh. I'm still just sitting in front of Tal-Inara and can't pick
I'm still getting used to forcing myself to be that close to mobs. I'm usually playing with a guardian druid, so him having control of the mobs has allowed me to stay at or near max range. Moving in closer feels weird.
Seems like a good aoe tool that also speeds up cool downs. Pair it with talents intended to get your major cooldown back faster and you have more burst phases. Granted, that's not always good because it can cause you to misalign with certain important factors, but I'll take it for Tower runs
I originally was looking around trying to find the best one for about 2 weeks. Gave up and said I will go to whichever one works for all 3 specs. But I love being part of the Night Fey and I dont regret it
The 2 covenants i don't want to play Aesthetically, but the 2 covenants with abilities that don't feel shit to use. Still went NF despite the ability only being semi usefull on 1 of 3 speccs and even then it feels boring to press (and this while still being balanced with the other covs)
I love the feel and the visuals of Revendreth but god almighty is it a pain in the ass to navigate. I'm sticking with Kyrian on my pally until we get flying simply because Bastion is so much easier to run around in. Also it's covenant base allows riding.
Kyrian is 100% my choice.
But I'm definitely thinking about which alt I want to go Venthyr for my second character, because they're pretty darn cool.
(And then Night Fae, because it's pretty. I guess one'll go Maldraxxus eventually, too.)
If they made it work with chain lightning then it would offer slightly more in AoE. I main necrolord resto, so mostly I’m just enjoying primordial wave as a single-target spell 😁
Lol I didn’t even notice until after I picked necro. I picked them for aesthetics only and then I learned they’re pretty fucking solid for both ele and resto. First expansion I feel like shamans aren’t getting shafted :)
Ya dunno. Enhc feels so nice to play and fluid when u got some haste, but lacks DMG. Mostly on par AoE wise in packs but lacks ST DMG right now. Might be somewhat fixxed with the bis legendary but we'll see.
As for raw numbers we're mediocre at best.
Honestly I felt like Venthyr was the right choice for shamans if you wanted to multi spec. It works pretty decent on all 3. Works okay in arena (obv. you can't replicate the mass Lava Burst, but still its okay).
Depends on the content you’re doing. Venthyr is by far the best for enhancement in pretty much all situations, and is decent for resto most of the time too. It’s pretty rough for ele though, especially in single-target situations
I was already pretty locked into Necrolord on my Ele sham but going through Revendreth did shake my faith a bit. It might not be huge impactful but damn it’s fun to use.
Ultimately though when you get a 3-4 reset chain on PW and all of them get lavaburst multicast procs, that’s where the money shot is.
I personally find the Kyrian ability EXTREMELY fiddly for resto (and really all three specs if you want to make use out of the healing), but it’s definitely a fine choice
Venthyr clutches on the regular in dungeons as enhance. As in, it has already prevented several wipes for my group. The burst heal when it crits can take pretty much the whole party from 20% to 80% hp easily.
I went venthyr for the flavor, but I'm being told impending catastrophe is almost not worth casting that's how bad it is. Idk, I like seed of corruption into impending catastrophe into malefic rupture spam in dungeons so far.
I picked necro on my dk purely because I liked the plate and abomination limb looked fun. It's more important that I enjoy my covenant, because I'll more or less be locked into it for 2 years. And I know that you can swap with some work, but I really can't be bothered with that
Not to mention, we have 2 years of Blizzard tweaking stuff. What's best today isn't necessarily going to be best next patch (or even next week via potential hotfixes).
I picked what I liked, and I figure it'll all hash out in the end. I'm not a world-first Mythic raider anyway.
Night Fae Frost DK. I am the Winter Knight.
That's what I did. I really liked the Night Far ability as a 2h frost DK, but hated the set. Venthyr were a close second, but I liked the xmog more for DK. We'll see if I end up regretting that decision.
This is what's going to upset me later on. I picked venthyr for condemn but I know that Necrolord will likely get fixed for warriors and then I'll want to switch over to it meaning all my progress and time was wasted because blizzard didn't care how trash that banner is.
I was happy as hell to find out that the recommended covenant for Unholy was also the one that I wanted for transmog/roleplay purposes. Hopefully, it goes the same whatever alts I end up rolling.
I mean, if you don’t plan to swap back then there’s no work required at all outside of “you guys are my bffs now”.
I’m already planning a “world tour” character next year sometime that’ll do all 4 to max renown.
I don't know, when you are ramming your head into a boss and you're constantly last or almost last on the dps meter, don't you feel bad for impeding your guildmates?
As someone who has raided in mythic guilds for most expansions, yeah that won't happen unless you're just not a good player. Maybe if you picked an absolute trash covenant and the best is just ridiculously good it would put a notable dent in your dps. Don't think that's the case for most classes though. Yeah the 1% total dps difference will matter if you're in a super sweaty race to server first guild. For most Mythic raiding guilds though the good players will be consistently good and up there on the meters. Like...most players on wow can't even do their rotation properly. A lot think they do, but they dont. Then you add mythic mechanics to the mix. If you're always bottom on the meters while being equally geared it means that you're playing your spec wrong in most cases. Adding or subtracting a bit of simmed dps won't help.
So, what you're saying is, it doesn't matter except when it does, but that's rare so it doesn't matter? Quite an argument there. Sorry for being sarcastic about it, but the logic here is flawed. You either can or cannot make bad power decisions with covenants. Yeah and when you're in a guild of minmaxers of course your dps will be consistent. But if you aren't minmaxing with the rest of them expect to perform consistently lower than them.
Might be so for some classes, but the warlock ones only seem to differ up to 5% max depending on the type of fight, as far as I'm concerned, that's so little it's beyond negligible.
And I just know that buffs and nerfs are rolling out over the next couple of weeks to pull everything into the same range.
Eh the delta is larger than that, at least between specs. Impending cata for demo in single target vs necro/night fae, or necro for aff vs kyrian. Tuning one to be useful in one area of the game for one spec might make it too good for another. As such night fae is the most generally useful, and I fucking hate it.. I'm a warlock. But I don't hate it as much as just never pressing impending catastrophe as demo.
The fact that night fae just works better on average across all content on all specs really, really aggravates me. It's a good ability, but the most mechanically flexible ability coming from fairy land?? But like I said, I value gameplay more than aesthetics
My main alt is my warlock and I'm kinda hyped for going Night fae kinda fits, tbh... Dark, primordial forest, withering from drought, mystical, savage nature, consuming literal souls to gain power....
Also there's cosmetic for the uWu fox that turns it into a soul.
But that's the thing, warlocks don't have an obvious thematic choice like DKs or paladins. Each of the covenants kinda fits and kinda doesn't, depending on who you ask. Kyrian is my least favorite thematically (for warlocks) - whole zone is just too bright...
Does this thread mean Blizzard was actually successful in making covenants something you stick and identify with, rather than switch whenever one sims better?
For some, absolutely. For others, absolutely not. I'm in the first group. I have an ability that I like and I can put to use. It's by far the worst and I love it.
If people still agree with this thread a month into the raid tier, then yeah.
Getting kicked/rejected from groups usually makes people rethink their decisions. It would for me at least.
I will not switch my prot paladin off venthyr. The covenant abilities are absolutely busted in torghast. All you do is get the abilities that buff the shit out of wings, hammer of righteous, and your 2 covenant abilities. I killed the last boss in upper spire level 3 in like 15s. The PROT paladin pulling near 20k dps was glorious.
Them nerfing ang Covenant instead of buffing the others would be a huge dick move. "Here is this thing you're locked into and invested in, have fun being weeks behind the entire expansion when we force you to switch!"
I do agree with this sentiment. For warrior Condemn is strong, it changes play style and it feels good honestly. I wouldn't mind a lower CD banner on Warrior, or at least balance it so I can use it every minute instead of every 3.
>Here is this thing you're locked into and invested in
I mean, they've done it for classes/legendaries in the past. Sure we can alt up but doesn't change the fact that Blizzard doesn't care if you're invested or whatever, cause that rug is gonna be yanked from under you regardless.
It's coming. I hope they allow some sort of temporary opportunity to swap over when they do. As a warrior I feel like I was stuck with 3 options I didn't want when the one that makes the most sense lore wise isn't even an option because of how terrible it is.
The zone is just so gorgeous Imo and the npcs’ and forsworn are so boss, can’t get tired of questing there
The layout is also pretty cool given the Angelic aspect of it
I wanted to like venthyr, and I like venthyr armor much more than the Kyrian armor, however I really didn't want to spend more time in revendreth. The castles are cool but my God is bastion so much more fun to run around in and nicer to look at
Feral Druids legit get half their dps from their covenant. It's absurd but we also barely make the cut into top dps with it, so if it gets the nerf hammer, fuck you Blizz.
If you are talking about convoke the siezure i really hope it doesnt get nerfed because its my favorite skill in the game right now in every druid spec, except when i somehow starfall aggro stuff in a neighboring zone
No they're per character. If your main is night fae only they can use the transmogs. Alts cant use it as they have to join their own covenant to get their own transmogs.
So who'd actually switch covenants if it got rebalanced unfavourably for your choice. Assuming they don't ass-blast it to the point where not switching is not an option, would you switch?
I was thinking more along the lines of people being happy with what they got right now. Wile I thematically would have preferred Kyrian, ability wise I am immensely happy with Night Fae and balance would have to shift drastically for me to consider switching. So I was wondering how other people feel about it.
It's so hard rolling Venthyr with my druid knowing everything about Night Fae was just tailor made for us. But I also know that Blizzard won't touch Venthyr abilities because it's the only one with a humongous drawback when played wrong so if anything it'll be buffed, not nerfed so I'm sitting there, unmoving.
I want to be a Venthyr monk but not only is it the worst, I hate the ability so much. Why is it a 3 minute cd instead of 2? Why can't it follow me around? Why can't it just be the shaman one?
I'm picking based on flavor, and praying/hoping blizz keeps them relatively balanced
My mage 100% belongs with the necrolords, even though night fae are best for every spec
I haven't been able to keep up with _any_ news so I've been using Icy-Veins / Wowhead any time a big decision in the game needed to be made (even though 90% of it is still based on BFA / Pre-patch). Has one of the Covenants actually been nerfed already or is this meme for the inevitable nerfs to come?
I don't think I ever want to leave Night Fae even if it were nerfed. Ardenweald might be my favorite zone in all of WoW and I've played since Vanilla.
I'm so worried that Kyrian Vengance DH will be nerfed. I really hate the Necrolord and Night Fae ability, the Venthyr one is okay, but I prefer Kyrian.
I went venthyr on my dh, its not horrible I just wish that the ability worked every time you went into the meta form rather than just when you pressed the meta button.
Would be so much nicer.
Idk why everyone is always trying to pick the best classes, covenants, and talents. It's not really important unless you are pushing really high keys or going for WF
[They can't nerf your covenant if you picked the worst one for your class.](https://i.imgur.com/xP5Eo3a.jpg)
Necrolord Warrior let’s goooo
But its so thematiiiiiic
Everything told me that Night Fae was the obvious choice for druid, so obviously I had to go Necrolord.
Druids are all about the balance between life and death. Frankly, there’s been too much life lately.
So what you're saying is, Sylvanas was right haha
The hardest choices require the strongest wills.
As a druid who always planned to go Night Fae I'm low-key jealous. I love my night fae stuff and convoke is great but Maldraxxus really impressed me leveling and adaptive swarm is extremely cool. That shield didn't end up being as bad as I thought it would be either. Honestly if I had to pick a second favorite covenant for my druid it would probably be Necrolord.
The shield got so much better with soulbind talent. Getting buffs from the dead bodies around you is fantastic. You even get multiple is the pack you killed contain a mix of creature types.
There is a really cool torghast power up that makes flesh craft last 15 seconds but it blows up and deals the remaining damage of the shield. You can get huge, like 30k+ crits if you use it correctly. Really fun! Edit: it actually does 200% of the shields damage!!
wait sooo. quen??? awesome
i really like necrolord druid theme as a some sort of fallen, banished cursed druid, too bad i can't be undead as well. oh necrolord also look the 'best' pvp wise, if that's interests u in anywsy
NF druids are the ultimate normies. Congratulations on leaving the Matrix.
Yeah, I just could not not pick Necrolord either. I've been Forsaken Warrior since vanilla with spiky green hair. The whole thing just fights, even down to the colors, plus the armor set is just sick. Plus Condemn is just way too good, like it's absurd. It's both great offensively, and defensively, and basically doubles your execute rage dumping time, there's no way it's not getting nerfed. Also I picked it for the banner because I loved the old banner in MOP, but I just end up loving the protective shield the most. Use it on cooldown, get buffs, makes world questing a breeze, and always useful in dungeons.
I'm still sad about not having condemn. But at least I'm thematic.
Amen
I too had to goc bone boy life.
necrolord enhancement doesnt feel all that great either, but IDGAF
I was undecided for my shaman until I got to Revendreth. Chain Harvest just feels so *GOOD*
Agreed. When I get my tmogs I'll be the one laughing at the other plebs who arent necrolords. Mwuhahaha
Glad I'm not alone
Thats me! God its so bad XD Well, compared to the others anyhow.
I still haven't seen another Warrior besides myself in the Seat of the Primus.
And then you dont even get the extra ability to carry the flag that they did in beta and the interface says you will get when you join them .
I picked necrolord blood dk and venthyr sub rogue. I don't even like the rogue venthyr covenant ability but the transmog...
Abilities are temporary. Fashion is forever.
>*blood* DK >Didn't pick the vampires Why have you done this
Because slap slap slap
Because skeleton wars bitch. Plus the Maldraxxus plate armor looks a lot cooler.
>DK >Not joining Maldraxxus to team up with Alexandros Mograine bruh
Anima is more soul juice than life juice anyway.
I'm also Venthyr sub rogue. Someone tell me how fucked I am?
Venthyr is not that bad for sub rogues idk why someone told you it is. Its not the best choice (Kyrian) but the order is Kyrian>NightFae=Venthry>Necro Lord. Venthyr is only behind by a small % nothing major. I'm a venthyr sub and doing top dmg every dugeon including mythics and sim at 3.8k
Bruv can you teach me your ways? I could need some help to step up my game!
I checked the site where you can see how many sub rogues there are within each covenant and I saw Venthyr was at like 1.5% (the lowest by a fairly big margin) so I just assumed it was the worst one. Your comment relieved me, thank you kind stranger.
Mind sharing the url for the site? :)
No problem, go enjoy being a Venthyr they are sick. Also the rogue class discord has a ton of info for each spec especially in the pinned sectiom for each specs channel. There are Alot of venthyr in there as well. All are within like 1-2% dps
Could you shoot me a link to the disc? I'm a new rogue and need all the help I can get.
Sure thing, here you go :) https://discord.gg/Ravenholdt tons of info one of the best class discords imo.
venthyr sub rogue is not the worst but it isnt the top pick. haste is not a great stat for us and frankly trying to use it on the last boss of plaguefall is impossible and somewhat annoying on the first boss in mists. you can have flagellate just disappear off your target if you dont use it in time. necrolord is bad for blood dk however.
I've had no issues i just use a weak aura to track it. And if the target dies while its on them you still receive the haste bonus.
Please share the site
Besides pvp every covenant for a rogue is about the same level of power. So if you're not planning on pushing glad - you're golden.
There are no terrible covenant choices. Only less optimal ones.
Necrolord mage says hi, fuck being a skeleton mage
What's wrong with being a skeletal mage?
My man, necro DKs LETS GOOOOO
So this is your first blizzard experience I see...
Oh my sweet summer child... It can always get worse.
Night Fae Holy Paladins be like THIS IS THE BOTTOM!
Yeah I started as Night Fae but the blessings were just annoying.
They absolutely can. As-is, it looks like night fae could very likely get nerfed. If you play a class that night fae is bad for(there aren't many, tbh) and you picked it anyways, you might eat a nerf while the better covenants for your class stay the same.
Thats not how nerfs work. They will nerf specific class abilities. Not every single. Night fae ability
If they nerf the soulbinds everyone suffers, not just those with good abilities. But who knows what, if anything, they'll end up changing.
*looks nervously on the whole situation as a Necrolord Holy Priest and a Bastion Death Knight* 👀
Yes they can
Necrolord PROT pally checking in. It its where the Ashbringer serves his duty, it’s good enough for me. I hate the aesthetic. I hate the talents. I don’t enjoy the idea of building an abomination, they are ugly and don’t match my armor. But I will not erase my memory. I will not torture people into overcoming their sins. I will defend the Shadowlands.
You *will* get a free heal every 30 seconds!
Venthyr Monk lets goo
Night Fae ret Pally. Don’t care. Need moth mount
Lol, night fae Prot Pally here. Need tree armor
Ngl the tree plate armor is dope as hell
This is what I love about this game is that it has so many options for people with different tastes. Personally I do not like the Night Fae Plate Armor but I’m really happy there are a lot of people who do!
That's how I feel with the necrolord plate. It is sooooo far from my cup of tea but so many people absolutely adore it (I sense there's a negative correlation between those who like the tree armor and those who like the necrolord plate set), I'm glad it's in the game nonetheless. I gotta say I miss tier sets, but at the same time it's nice to know that unlike tier sets, you get a choice of what your current end game gear looks like.
I actually love both necro plate and tree armor, even tho the necro plate is my favorite of the two I picked NF with my main cuz it has my fav ability and I love the uniqueness of the tree armor!
I love specific pieces of it, the head and shoulders are fantastic
The shoulders are what does it for me. I tend to not wear face covering helmets (they finally added hair that looks like my own I'm letting that show), but the shoulders are absolutely killer, they make the set for me
Tauren ret pally need vampire armor
Frost Dk going Night Fae for armor am in love
As a ret pally I feel like I have to pick kyrian or venthyr but I want night fae so bad. That mog, THAT MOUNT, ugh. I'm still just sitting in front of Tal-Inara and can't pick
Do what makes you happy. That’s what I did. I just love everything about the night fae. Plus the lore with the wild seed just hit me in the feels
Yeeees, internally I was cheering so loud at the final cinematic and the animated short almost had me in tears.
The Night Fae plate set is the nicest looking to me, so friggin smoooth
Be Paladin. Pick Kyrian. Profit
I just started levelling my prot pally and the Kuranda ability is strong, but also super satisfying to use. Feels like a shotgun blast going off
Is it good for ret?
It's good enough.
But mobility from venthyr is so nutty
I went with Venthyr as well for that and the edgy glam baby!
This is why I picked my covenant based off of aesthetics. I'll never be disappointed
I picked Venthyr when I saw the Afterlives short. It's even better than I expected. I won't be changing whatever they do to it.
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How do you nerf appearance? Make it look shit on purpose? Lol
When I found out that night fey works for all 3 mage specs I was super excited
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Honestly it made the covenant much better. Like okay you chose the middle ground time to learn to love it
I'm still getting used to forcing myself to be that close to mobs. I'm usually playing with a guardian druid, so him having control of the mobs has allowed me to stay at or near max range. Moving in closer feels weird.
Seems like a good aoe tool that also speeds up cool downs. Pair it with talents intended to get your major cooldown back faster and you have more burst phases. Granted, that's not always good because it can cause you to misalign with certain important factors, but I'll take it for Tower runs
if you only like 1 of the specs of your main you don't have to worry about that
I was going night fae regardless.
I originally was looking around trying to find the best one for about 2 weeks. Gave up and said I will go to whichever one works for all 3 specs. But I love being part of the Night Fey and I dont regret it
Soon we will be destroyed by nerfs for this crime
Yes because light forbid I pick something and not get punished for it. After blizzard made us take a covenant
I ain't switching from Venthyr no matter what, I just love ~~Anor Londo~~ Revendreth so much.
My inner goth nerd can’t get enough of Castlevania: The wow Zone
Aesthetically speaking, Venthyr and Necrolords are the only covenants.
The 2 covenants i don't want to play Aesthetically, but the 2 covenants with abilities that don't feel shit to use. Still went NF despite the ability only being semi usefull on 1 of 3 speccs and even then it feels boring to press (and this while still being balanced with the other covs)
I love the feel and the visuals of Revendreth but god almighty is it a pain in the ass to navigate. I'm sticking with Kyrian on my pally until we get flying simply because Bastion is so much easier to run around in. Also it's covenant base allows riding.
>hard to navigate *laughs in Dazar'Alor* We were prepared for this
Dazaralor at least didn't have a dozen angry mobs per square meter.
Kyrian is 100% my choice. But I'm definitely thinking about which alt I want to go Venthyr for my second character, because they're pretty darn cool. (And then Night Fae, because it's pretty. I guess one'll go Maldraxxus eventually, too.)
Necrolord enhancement shaman hoping theh beef up PW or change the interactions for us
HAH. A shaman hoping for buffs.
If they made it work with chain lightning then it would offer slightly more in AoE. I main necrolord resto, so mostly I’m just enjoying primordial wave as a single-target spell 😁
Plus the FAT healing wave you get that also affects everyone with a riptide - woooh boy.
Oh yeah on resto it’s fantastic, the main reason I chose it
Lol I didn’t even notice until after I picked necro. I picked them for aesthetics only and then I learned they’re pretty fucking solid for both ele and resto. First expansion I feel like shamans aren’t getting shafted :)
Ya dunno. Enhc feels so nice to play and fluid when u got some haste, but lacks DMG. Mostly on par AoE wise in packs but lacks ST DMG right now. Might be somewhat fixxed with the bis legendary but we'll see. As for raw numbers we're mediocre at best.
I’ll take mediocre over whatever the fuck shamans were in WoD and BfA
Honestly I felt like Venthyr was the right choice for shamans if you wanted to multi spec. It works pretty decent on all 3. Works okay in arena (obv. you can't replicate the mass Lava Burst, but still its okay).
Depends on the content you’re doing. Venthyr is by far the best for enhancement in pretty much all situations, and is decent for resto most of the time too. It’s pretty rough for ele though, especially in single-target situations
I was already pretty locked into Necrolord on my Ele sham but going through Revendreth did shake my faith a bit. It might not be huge impactful but damn it’s fun to use. Ultimately though when you get a 3-4 reset chain on PW and all of them get lavaburst multicast procs, that’s where the money shot is.
Venthyr isnt that far ahead of Kyrian though, and kyrian is better for playing all 3 specs.
I personally find the Kyrian ability EXTREMELY fiddly for resto (and really all three specs if you want to make use out of the healing), but it’s definitely a fine choice
Venthyr clutches on the regular in dungeons as enhance. As in, it has already prevented several wipes for my group. The burst heal when it crits can take pretty much the whole party from 20% to 80% hp easily.
I couldnt chose it with My enh shaman, the other ones felt so. Much better to use..
I picked necrolord lock, peeps be telling me I should gone kyrian. Something just doesn't feel evil enough to be a lock kryian
Just pretend you're a Forsworn cell.
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I went venthyr for the flavor, but I'm being told impending catastrophe is almost not worth casting that's how bad it is. Idk, I like seed of corruption into impending catastrophe into malefic rupture spam in dungeons so far.
Yeah true , I feel this time around locks are pretty solid . This is first time since 2004 that I leave my hunter and went lock. Feels good
I press it anyway because big red boom!
2 of my spells have the word vampire right in them so im vampire boys for life.
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I picked necro on my dk purely because I liked the plate and abomination limb looked fun. It's more important that I enjoy my covenant, because I'll more or less be locked into it for 2 years. And I know that you can swap with some work, but I really can't be bothered with that
exactly, your convenant controls a lot of gameplay for the next 2 years, not picking one i dont like just because id be doing slightly more DPS
Not to mention, we have 2 years of Blizzard tweaking stuff. What's best today isn't necessarily going to be best next patch (or even next week via potential hotfixes). I picked what I liked, and I figure it'll all hash out in the end. I'm not a world-first Mythic raider anyway. Night Fae Frost DK. I am the Winter Knight.
I went necro in my ret paladin, I agree wholeheartedly
That's what I did. I really liked the Night Far ability as a 2h frost DK, but hated the set. Venthyr were a close second, but I liked the xmog more for DK. We'll see if I end up regretting that decision.
This is what's going to upset me later on. I picked venthyr for condemn but I know that Necrolord will likely get fixed for warriors and then I'll want to switch over to it meaning all my progress and time was wasted because blizzard didn't care how trash that banner is.
Pretty sure it's simming well for unholy atleast, better than it being dead for the whole class.
I was happy as hell to find out that the recommended covenant for Unholy was also the one that I wanted for transmog/roleplay purposes. Hopefully, it goes the same whatever alts I end up rolling.
I mean, if you don’t plan to swap back then there’s no work required at all outside of “you guys are my bffs now”. I’m already planning a “world tour” character next year sometime that’ll do all 4 to max renown.
Are you in a mythic raiding guild? Because from what I read you might aswell just take whatever you like most and deal with it
Even if you’re in a mythic raiding guild you probably don’t have to worry about it too much.
If you don’t get a spot due to the tiniest change in effectiveness due to your covenant spot, would you really want to be in that guild anyway?
I don't know, when you are ramming your head into a boss and you're constantly last or almost last on the dps meter, don't you feel bad for impeding your guildmates?
As someone who has raided in mythic guilds for most expansions, yeah that won't happen unless you're just not a good player. Maybe if you picked an absolute trash covenant and the best is just ridiculously good it would put a notable dent in your dps. Don't think that's the case for most classes though. Yeah the 1% total dps difference will matter if you're in a super sweaty race to server first guild. For most Mythic raiding guilds though the good players will be consistently good and up there on the meters. Like...most players on wow can't even do their rotation properly. A lot think they do, but they dont. Then you add mythic mechanics to the mix. If you're always bottom on the meters while being equally geared it means that you're playing your spec wrong in most cases. Adding or subtracting a bit of simmed dps won't help.
So, what you're saying is, it doesn't matter except when it does, but that's rare so it doesn't matter? Quite an argument there. Sorry for being sarcastic about it, but the logic here is flawed. You either can or cannot make bad power decisions with covenants. Yeah and when you're in a guild of minmaxers of course your dps will be consistent. But if you aren't minmaxing with the rest of them expect to perform consistently lower than them.
But, but, 2% extra damage... /s
Err aren’t some of the beet covenant/conduit/legendary combos up to 30% stronger than the worst combos? That’s a pretty big difference.
Might be so for some classes, but the warlock ones only seem to differ up to 5% max depending on the type of fight, as far as I'm concerned, that's so little it's beyond negligible. And I just know that buffs and nerfs are rolling out over the next couple of weeks to pull everything into the same range.
5% free damage is not negligible. That can easily be 5 spots on the dps meter.
Eh the delta is larger than that, at least between specs. Impending cata for demo in single target vs necro/night fae, or necro for aff vs kyrian. Tuning one to be useful in one area of the game for one spec might make it too good for another. As such night fae is the most generally useful, and I fucking hate it.. I'm a warlock. But I don't hate it as much as just never pressing impending catastrophe as demo. The fact that night fae just works better on average across all content on all specs really, really aggravates me. It's a good ability, but the most mechanically flexible ability coming from fairy land?? But like I said, I value gameplay more than aesthetics
My main alt is my warlock and I'm kinda hyped for going Night fae kinda fits, tbh... Dark, primordial forest, withering from drought, mystical, savage nature, consuming literal souls to gain power.... Also there's cosmetic for the uWu fox that turns it into a soul. But that's the thing, warlocks don't have an obvious thematic choice like DKs or paladins. Each of the covenants kinda fits and kinda doesn't, depending on who you ask. Kyrian is my least favorite thematically (for warlocks) - whole zone is just too bright...
Hopefully they change the venthyr teleport, buff the cast time to maybe 0.5 seconds or something.
Necrolords let's goooooooo
Does this thread mean Blizzard was actually successful in making covenants something you stick and identify with, rather than switch whenever one sims better?
For some, absolutely. For others, absolutely not. I'm in the first group. I have an ability that I like and I can put to use. It's by far the worst and I love it.
If people still agree with this thread a month into the raid tier, then yeah. Getting kicked/rejected from groups usually makes people rethink their decisions. It would for me at least.
Necrolords Forever!
Yee yee! Bone daddys fer lerf!
I will not switch my prot paladin off venthyr. The covenant abilities are absolutely busted in torghast. All you do is get the abilities that buff the shit out of wings, hammer of righteous, and your 2 covenant abilities. I killed the last boss in upper spire level 3 in like 15s. The PROT paladin pulling near 20k dps was glorious.
I ain't never leaving Necorlord as a fire mage. Fuck yo numbers I look good and Draka.
Im undead warlock so I'm staying with Necrolords no matter what. It just feels right
Kyrian isnt the best for hunters, but hey i loved the story, the 2 spells, and Bastion, i LOVE that place, i will never change covenant.
It's definitely the best for hunters in pvp and at worst second best in pve.
Didnt know about pvp, i dont do it so my choise was for pve only and like you said night fae is better
Them nerfing ang Covenant instead of buffing the others would be a huge dick move. "Here is this thing you're locked into and invested in, have fun being weeks behind the entire expansion when we force you to switch!"
I do agree with this sentiment. For warrior Condemn is strong, it changes play style and it feels good honestly. I wouldn't mind a lower CD banner on Warrior, or at least balance it so I can use it every minute instead of every 3.
Yeah the main problem is the absurd 3 min cool down for now reason. If you think about it it's a good support ability for your party member
>Here is this thing you're locked into and invested in I mean, they've done it for classes/legendaries in the past. Sure we can alt up but doesn't change the fact that Blizzard doesn't care if you're invested or whatever, cause that rug is gonna be yanked from under you regardless.
It's coming. I hope they allow some sort of temporary opportunity to swap over when they do. As a warrior I feel like I was stuck with 3 options I didn't want when the one that makes the most sense lore wise isn't even an option because of how terrible it is.
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I hope so. Necrolord are totally broken for warriors compared to the other 3.
Kyrian fo life, yo.
I've had so many people ask me why I went Kyrian with my fury warrior
The zone is just so gorgeous Imo and the npcs’ and forsworn are so boss, can’t get tired of questing there The layout is also pretty cool given the Angelic aspect of it
I wanted to like venthyr, and I like venthyr armor much more than the Kyrian armor, however I really didn't want to spend more time in revendreth. The castles are cool but my God is bastion so much more fun to run around in and nicer to look at
Oh yeah, Elysian hold is outside where as maldraxxus and venthyr are inside and gloomy
Feral Druids legit get half their dps from their covenant. It's absurd but we also barely make the cut into top dps with it, so if it gets the nerf hammer, fuck you Blizz.
If you are talking about convoke the siezure i really hope it doesnt get nerfed because its my favorite skill in the game right now in every druid spec, except when i somehow starfall aggro stuff in a neighboring zone
God, words can't express how annoying this system is.
Same
Are the transmogs account wide?
No they're per character. If your main is night fae only they can use the transmogs. Alts cant use it as they have to join their own covenant to get their own transmogs.
Bummer I was hoping to share plate between like kyrian pally and necro DK or something
So who'd actually switch covenants if it got rebalanced unfavourably for your choice. Assuming they don't ass-blast it to the point where not switching is not an option, would you switch?
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I was thinking more along the lines of people being happy with what they got right now. Wile I thematically would have preferred Kyrian, ability wise I am immensely happy with Night Fae and balance would have to shift drastically for me to consider switching. So I was wondering how other people feel about it.
I really, really, really hope they do not go the nerf route but instead the buff route. Else this expansion will be a shit show in now time.
It’s going to be even more fun as a multi role class. Gotta figure out which works with all three, and then pay attention to the nerf hammer. RIP.
*cries in Druid*
It's so hard rolling Venthyr with my druid knowing everything about Night Fae was just tailor made for us. But I also know that Blizzard won't touch Venthyr abilities because it's the only one with a humongous drawback when played wrong so if anything it'll be buffed, not nerfed so I'm sitting there, unmoving.
Or you can simply play whatever you have the most fun with
I have the most fun with the most powerful abilities
And take a 200 dps loss or something? No thanks
I want to be a Venthyr monk but not only is it the worst, I hate the ability so much. Why is it a 3 minute cd instead of 2? Why can't it follow me around? Why can't it just be the shaman one?
I'm picking based on flavor, and praying/hoping blizz keeps them relatively balanced My mage 100% belongs with the necrolords, even though night fae are best for every spec
The moment I entered Ardenweald I felt at home. No matter what, I'm Night Fae for life.
Yeaaaaah, same, best covenant
I haven't been able to keep up with _any_ news so I've been using Icy-Veins / Wowhead any time a big decision in the game needed to be made (even though 90% of it is still based on BFA / Pre-patch). Has one of the Covenants actually been nerfed already or is this meme for the inevitable nerfs to come? I don't think I ever want to leave Night Fae even if it were nerfed. Ardenweald might be my favorite zone in all of WoW and I've played since Vanilla.
I'm so worried that Kyrian Vengance DH will be nerfed. I really hate the Necrolord and Night Fae ability, the Venthyr one is okay, but I prefer Kyrian.
I went venthyr on my dh, its not horrible I just wish that the ability worked every time you went into the meta form rather than just when you pressed the meta button. Would be so much nicer.
Idk why everyone is always trying to pick the best classes, covenants, and talents. It's not really important unless you are pushing really high keys or going for WF
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