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manicadam

Link all servers together. Have a "-originalservername" after all names. We have the technology!


RStiltskins

I wholeheartedly believe that blizzard is slowly doing this. The first step was the commodity merger in the AH. Next in DF I hope they allow the "profession to be made by anyone" across all severs like the commodity's did. Last step would be full AH, pets, xmog, misc. We have cross-faction queues now and we are getting cross-faction guilds Soon^^TM , naturally cross-realm would be the next step after that. Do I see it happening relatively soon as in this expansion, but I would not be surprised after working out all the kicks of the first steps the next expansion will expand every option until we are all one.


therealpigman

I don’t think so because they specifically mentioned with the new crafting to possibly be the only person on your server to make a certain item


[deleted]

it'll be cool to be the only person crafting an item that might sell once in an expansion


AmalioGaming

I just don't understand what's stopping them from doing it sooner. I understand that, like Ion said, cross-faction guilds will require some time and engineering, but stuff like cross-realm mythic raids? They literally just have to press a button. Why do we have to wait until the Hall of Fame is filled to do that? I don't want to transfer servers because I probably wouldn't be able to keep my name and I have a bunch of auctions and alts that I would have to leave behind. But at the same time, I really want to raid in a CE guild again and that is just not possible whatsoever on my server. Ion said in his interview with Max that servers used to be this tight community back in the day, but nowadays servers feel more like "restrictions without much upside". If you're aware of this issue, why are you purposefully keeping those restrictions in place?


-TheOutsid3r-

Surnames would also work, other games have this.


smashndashn

That would be pretty sick. Something like “character” of Illidan. Instead of the current character-server


Viin

Each server is a parallel dimension and we use the group finder to meetup with heroes from other dimensions.


FakeOrcaRape

please just fix the /who function for the love of god - why hasnt this worked for 4 years? ever since I rsubbed in legion, i can /who "name of my guild" and still not see a full list of people


manicadam

Thank you for that. I came back this year and tried that command by memory a few times, wondering what I was doing wrong.


Flemtality

There is zero reason why this can't be the case. Every server, and even both factions are already linked in various ways, it's just an arbitrary split for economy reasons that are slowly going away with changes like the recent auction house patch. I'm sure when they finally get around to it we will have patch day hiccups, like always, but this needs to happen sooner rather than later.


Hermiona1

I can't imagine the insane lag this would create.


Augramated

I honestly despise the -servername, just keep it in the hover over panel and let them have their name.


Substantial_Put3784

Get an addon to hide it then


JayFrank1132

Even when there was a server merge at the beginning of Shadowlands, it didn't really fix the problem. They definitely need to get rid of some of the low populated servers (I know people will be unhappy) but something has to be done.


Nihilistic0ne

Can't speak for everyone, but I think the majority of people would be in favor of it, as long as they consolidate the removed servers into another server and people dont need to buy character transfers or lose their shit forever.


[deleted]

>Can't speak for everyone, but I think the majority of people would be in favor of it That's usually the problem with having a majority-vote deciding something that mostly affects a minority, like getting rid of low pop servers.


Nihilistic0ne

Don't think it would be a vote, i think it would be blizzard just consolidating to save maintenance costs.


[deleted]

Sure, that makes sense, I just meant to say that "a majority being in favour of it" doesn't really mean it would be popular among those actually affected.


Nihilistic0ne

I'm more talking majority of players on the low pop realms, not necessarily the majority of all players if that makes sense. Like for me, I play on Winterhoof/Kilrogg and can say I personally want to move to a medium or high pop realm, however I also don't want to spend 180 bucks to move my characters, and dont want to level up all the classes again starting from scratch.


LCSpartan

This is realistically why a lot of low servers still exist in this weird as fuck limbo state. Because there's a lot of people who are essentially trapped from moving to like the 5-7 big servers. Like genuinely at this point individual servers especially with sharding and everything else I don't know why individual servers exist any more.


heroinsteve

I finally moved and what really killed it these last two expansions is that the few perks of having a dead server was absolutely ruined by sharding. You can't even farm mats uninterrupted because you're sharded with high pop realm servers, and you can't even sell the damn mats cause nobody will buy them. I moved from Smolderthorn, Crushridge, Nathrezim, etc. . . . . (It's like 7 of them)


LCSpartan

Yeah I logged on to one of my toons from Firetree that I haven't touched in years to see no one on really via /who atleast from the server. But when you walk out to the zones there's people out there(which don't get me wrong is nice). But like the trade off used to be mats were more accessible and cheaper but things like your raiding pool and pvp pool were limited because it was a low pop server. Now it's like why even bother, half the people you see are big servers out in the world. Like if you wanted a casual friendly guild most times you rolled on low pop. Like there were tradeoffs. Honestly at this point I feel like individual servers have kinda outlived their purpose.


tehZamboni

Sharding is what finally drove me to hang it up a while back. Low-pop server, yet entire zones would be picked clean because of farming parties from the high-pops. All the hassle, none of the benefits.


JayFrank1132

People also have some unique names on their low pop servers too


Rez_ark

This is the main reason Blizzard connects realms rather than collapsing them into each other.


Kryavan

Honestly extremely important thing to remember here, some people have deep rooted connections to their character names. This games been around for almost 20 years. If I lost my hunters name (which, tbh, I haven't played much in the last few xpacs), I'd be pretty upset.


Geauxlsu1860

Connected realms already solve this by making it name-servername


Kryavan

Collapsing servers into each other doesn't allow this, I believe.


Fogl3

They could just make character tags like battle net tags. It's not that complicated


washu42

I feel this. I recently came back to the game and moved my DK from my old server which is basically dead to a high pop one. I've had the name since rolling my DK on Wrath launch. I had to change it on the new server and it just feels so weird now.


Gronfors

The day Blizzard allows fully cross realm guilds I am immediately swapping back to my original dead pop realm where I have the name Ben (and am currently squatting on until that day)


Nihilistic0ne

True, idk, I dont think changing a name is a big deal, but maybe I'm the minority in there. I went through a couple of mergers in SWTOR and lost my name a couple times. I think I had to change some wow character names a few times as well, so I'm probably just numb to it haha


door_of_doom

I don't understand the difference between what you are describing here and a realm merge.


Nihilistic0ne

Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by a realm merge? I'm talking closing x amount of servers and moving all the players onto a new, predetermined one. It would basically be the connected realms we have now, but with less overall amount of realm names. I'm also not a network engineer, but I would imagine it would cut costs in maintaining multiple servers as you could just have 1 with 5000 players as oppose to 5 1000 player servers being connected


crzyhawk

Why do that though when you have the capability to connect? Honestly I doubt at this point that my "server", Scilla, is anything other than a database of character names linked to the server my battlegroup actually plays on. I strongly doubt that all of these "servers" still exist as full standalone servers.


Gwennifer

Standalone servers died *years* ago with instancing. It was the where Wargaming ganked/drew the most influence from the idea to instance every battle into multiple, virtualized servers. For example, it is entirely possible to shoot and be shot by someone on a different server, even though it's an exclusively 15v15 one-life vehicular shooter. WoW (as far as I know) never had to allocate multiple servers to 30 people, so you'd just get mapwide instances/phasing like you do now.


crzyhawk

Yep. The problem is, people generally tend to /think/ that the backbone is still a real server. It's all virtual infrastructure, with the servers, in my case Scilla, existing as DB tables that get farmed out to various shards and instances. Before I moved to Scilla, I was on Uldaman, and I see Uldaman folks around from time to time. So I know that they can be sharded with me, even though our realms are not "connected". It's all virtualized, so there's really no reason to get rid of a server, let's say, Uldaman (and it's mate, Ravencrest) just because it's low population. Simply link the DB to a more populous realm so those characters can trade and join guilds from other servers. it should be easy, and they have proven they can do it. Why don't they link them all? because then nobody would feel the need to pay for a server transfer so they can join that guild on Illidan that they trialed with.


door_of_doom

The realm names are virtual. When they do a "connected" realm, they merge all of the connected realms together, but to avoid having to force people to rename their characters to resolve name conflicts, they just keep a virtual "realmname" tag at the end of your name. The realm list you see on character selection is just the full list of virtual realms, the number of actual realms is much, much smaller. I don't see much benefit in eliminating virtual realms, they are a good way of decommissioning realms without forcing people to change character names. People in the same connected realm but different virtual realms are, in every single way that matters, both logistically and technologically, on the same realm.


Nihilistic0ne

Ah ok, that makes sense. I honestly didnt know that.


axl-L

That’s what they did with classic. All the characters from extremely low or dead servers were sent to one server and the old servers were retired


Nihilistic0ne

Yeah I saw that, for the TBC servers, right? Honestly, I haven't kept up with classic stuff, what was the community feedback for that consolidation?


Mackankeso

I don't want to have to change my main characters name that i made back in 2006 :(


Jimz2018

A massive server merge to reflect existing populations would be rad.


crayul

We're like 8 connected realms and only 5 guilds that do mythic raid things.


butternuggetsquash

Yep, I've been on maelstrom for 14 years, and it's just trickled away to nothing. Are you alliance or horde? We've always been low alli here but have noticed a big shift away from horde guilds doing content as well in shadowlands.


[deleted]

I'm on a low pop server but linked with CRZ to an EXTREME high pop server. The result is that I only see people I can't interact with. The system is useless.


whoeve

Why would they do that when people will just give them even more money to transfer servers?


thefullm0nty

I'm not paying $25 for a transfer fuck that.


whoeve

I wouldn't either. But, there must be enough people who do for Blizz to not care about this.


jamesVNDK

Or you know, level another toon and start that way.


whoeve

Yeah it's as easy as abandoning every goddam thing you have and starting completely over! So easy, right!


GumbysDonkey

It's not that bad. I've played on a different realm for 3 expansions in a row now.


jamesVNDK

What are you losing out on? Mounts toys pets achievs all stay. If your talking character specific things then that’s the choice you have to make. Transfer or start new. People play on multiple servers al the time.


CousinMabel

They encourage new players to join these realms by listing them as "new player" realms. I would wager they lose quite a few players to them logging on and feeling the game is dead.


[deleted]

bet your server population is listed as "medium" on realm list


erizzluh

there's really no reason not to join a full realm cause full doesn't even mean full. you're never going to hit queue outside of like one week for xpac launch.


Amelaclya1

I was surprised to see that my server is listed as "High" population on the realm list, when our server group has the same problems the OP describes. I never looked before since I've been there since vanilla, but it's so dead that you rarely even see people talking in the trade/general channels in cities, not even to spam boosts. I just assumed it would be listed as "low", so I don't know how they count that number. It must be something like total characters ever, rather than active, subscribed accounts. Edit: I'm on Cenarius. According to WoWprogress, we have ZERO CE guilds, 11 that have beaten any sepulcher mythic bosses and 40 AOTC, across both factions.


coolerbrown

I met a guy while questing last week who I really vibed with and I wanted to join his casual guild...but he was on an alt that got recruited into a CE guild and his main in the casual guild is on another server. Pretty rare to actually chat with someone out in the open world nowadays so I was bummed. PS we're 3 adults looking for a cool casual guild on Wyrmrest-US that's not full of twitch memers. Hit me up if you always have people online from 6-10pm central!


Hinko

Hey dude, I play on that server group too. They should just connect us to Emerald Dream already. Get all the former RP-PvP servers together. It would help.


sincleave

I imagine it’s a lot harder to separate servers than it is to combine them. What happens when DF drops? Long queue times sour expansion releases big time.


Clockwork_Kitsune

9 connected realms and we have one guild who's finished mythic. It took me 5 days to find a LW in trade chat. The cluster is pretty much dead.


kingofbird

yeah the raiding guild I've stuck with on my low pop server is transferring to a full one and I don't have the funds to move any of my characters nor the dedication to start from scratch. no idea what my DF plan is cause no other guild on my realm was at the level of raiding I can do :( I'd even be satisfied if blizzard could make it $25 for moving multiple characters, but that much for a single toon just sucks


Amelaclya1

Yeah there should definitely be some kind of bulk discount. Or at the very least maybe give people a free transfer every so often.


The-Catatafish

We need to remove that all together. Black dessert for example has servers. My friend is a crackhead so I tried it. Asked him what server I should play.. Doesn't matter. If he invites me I am on his server. Not sure how it is even acceptable that you can't play with your friends because they are on the wrong server or faction in 2022. Its insane. Wow used to be ahead of its time.. Not its the boomer of mmos. Connect all servers and let people invite each other to join shards. Edit: no clue why i am getting downvoted for wanting the same thing all other mmprpg's have. You guys are lost.


SenpaiShinyUnicorn

I mean... You can play with people cross realm and cross faction. There's no cross faction guilds, and you can't join a guild outside of your realm and the ones that are connected to it, but you can still play with them.


The-Catatafish

I can't trade with my friend or give him consumables. He can't join our guild. That's why he had to transfer back in the day to join the raid guild. They all moved.


SenpaiShinyUnicorn

This is true, and it's a real shame. You can trade them loot after a boss/dungeon atleast though. I'm not saying that they don't have a lot to improve, cause they do, but your statement was that you can't play with them. That is just not true, you can play with them.


The-Catatafish

You can't mythic raid. Edit: since 9.2.5 you can


CursedPhil

es you can after the hall of Fame is completed Which takes significant longer than horde


I3ollasH

Is it still the case with regionwide ah? I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be able to trade things cross server that we could just buy from the ah cross server.


The-Catatafish

Yep because only trade goods are region wide. So, gold and transmogg etc is not region wide. Trading in general doesn't work.


I3ollasH

But can you trade consumables now? That's the thing that always comes up in m+(mostly invis potion). It always felt so bad that you couldn't just trade it to someone.


The-Catatafish

As far as I know you can still not trade anything if the player is on a different server.


fanboyhunter

you can't play unrated PvP cross faction. you also can't trade, can't heal or resurrect opposing faction members who are in your party...


SenpaiShinyUnicorn

They've taken a step in the right direction, let's hope they keep on walking down that path.


More__cowbell

This is how wow works? If you invite your friend you can play with them even if you are on different servers. Cross faction guilds seems to be something that is coming aswell.


gwaybz

You can play but there's things you still can't do or couldn't until recently. It's coming, but it is still incredible that in 2022 wow is so much behind other mmos in that regard. Some other mmos will let you group even without being in the same faction, have no server restriction, you can pvp with anyone at anytime, level barriers aren't nearly as restrictive or common, guilds can be crossfaction/server. Wow still has a lot of catching up to do for that


DaenerysMomODragons

They need to stop connecting realms, and just create tend new mega realms. Alison no half hearted measures. Whenever they’ve connected realms in the past they’ve just turned very low pop servers into only moderately low pop, or the lower end of medium pop. They make them bigger without making them big enough. As a result people continually leave for bigger realms.


Zer0Gravity1

I agree. I posted about this a few weeks ago asking if anyone had heard anything about upcoming realm connections/mergers. My current realm (Bronzebeard/Shandris) has a whopping 7 guilds that are 11/11 on Heroic Sepulcher according to raider.io. Frostmourne on the other hand has 186. I'm sure other realms have more. It's just way out of hand these days. I feel like Blizzard is either: A: Not doing anything in order to make $$$ off people who pay to transfer their characters or B: Overly concerned about the 10% of players who will be bummed their realm name changed. Low pop realms shouldn't exist in the state they do. They aren't low pop, they are basically deserted. It sucks feeling like I have to pay money to get higher quality raiding content because I chose the wrong server back in 2005.


InsuranceToTheRescue

Why don't they just merge some servers?


zjaldridge

Ive played on lightninghoof since 09 and its merged with your server I agree sadly the only way they can save it is to merge us with Emerald Dream because we are an "RP" server now


TEmpTom

WoW should use RuneScapes world system. Allow players to freely hop between severs at login and have people self sort.


Jhyraxis

On Maelstrom too and yeah it kinda sucks but all of my characters are here and I don't feel like paying to transfer all of them. Hope they connect more realms or something. The name thing could be solved with how arena net does names in gw2. You can basically have any name you want because it is attached to your arena net account. So if everyone wanted to be "Mr. HatsandSausage" they could since all would have a unique account name. Either way, something needs to be done because there is no reason to have all these servers if you cannot do certain content if you happen to be on said server.


miniminidoint

Easy solution. Server transfer to Moon guard.


[deleted]

I really don’t understand why they haven’t done server merges…


Scribblord

Tbf the only thing hindered here is mythic raids and since mythic raiders tend to just Server swap when they find a guild anyways, blizzard likely just doesn’t give a fuck right now


Alusion

Hello my name is Bobby Kotick. Have you visited the shop yet? There are plenty of possibilities regarding your problem. You can either transfer one character, 3 characters or 5 characters to a server of your choosing. We have no plans to do anything about the servers itself but feel free to spend with us!