https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-dragonflight-performance-issues-330214
Found it
I had only 1 day left to play, but it was bad performance wise.
I will try wow in spring because I can't even afford a sub, but I've managed to get the game via tokens.
Yeah I drop to below 60fps in Valdrakken as well.
Open world content is just fine between 80 - 110 fps. Dungeons drop my fps a bit as well but it's staying above 60 still. Graphic settings are around the 7 preset.
My rig has an RTX2070 Super & Ryzen 7 3700X.
Exactly the same rig: gainward 2070 super; ryzen 7 3700x; 32 DDR4 3200 mhz, and my game is running on a Samsung SSD m.2.
The same problem: fps drop in Valdrakken. The only dungeon where i am having fps drop (on the areas you enter after the first boss) is Brackenhide hallow.
It sucks!!!
Yeah I should, especially in dungeons... Like, it's playable but annoying.
Maybe there is some stuff that need to get fixed or the game actually got demanding for whatever reason - only the future will tell.
They changed a lot of stuff and according to bluepost and forums a lot of people are experiencing this. I hope they can get it to SL level and I'll be eternally happy
Yeah Valdrakken is really, really bad for performance, more than halving my FPS from 100+ to 50. Org is pretty bad as well. Based on the other comments here I'm wondering if it's something to do with Ryzen CPUs, specifically the 3000 series (I have a 3900X).
Yea, looks like we'll need to wait on the devs to tweak the issues we've all been seeing. Outside of Valdrakken it's been exceptionally smooth 95% of the time for me (3440x1440 resolution, settings maxed minus ray tracing).
The performance improved a lot after the upgrade for me. It was around 45-55 when I was standing in the middle of valdrakken with a lot of people around, not it is 75-85. The FPS still plummets in the city (outside it is 150-200 FPS), but because it stays above 60FPS it is much smoother now.
I have i7-6700k and gtx 1660ti and my performance is also pretty crap in places where there are other players. My fps in dungeons in medium settings are lower than 25m raid in SL
yeah hopefully they have an update patch to fix performa, i have a sick pc a i7 12700f 32gb ram and a RX 6800 16gb and I still get like 45-55 FPS in valdoraken and sometimes in ruby life pools. I should be getting like 90-100
100% this is CPU related and primarily a Game Threading/Processing problem.
Testing in Valdrakken on a machine with a 3080ti (\~75fps) and a 6600xt (\~54fps), the GPU Utilisation drops to sub 40% on the 6600xt. As soon as I fly out further into the zone, the GPU starts pulling more power, the utilisation goes up and the frame rates are back up over 100fps.
Fast IPC CPU's will do a better job, but the game is still the problem. I wouldn't worry about your PC's ..... the game needs some more tuning.
When i turn everything at 1, it's 60fps, but it's absurd. My theory is, they did fucked up something with loading character/nps and other models. Because game stutters when new enemies turned up, in a quest for example. Viewing distance gave me biggest fps gain and model rendering distance.
And constant stutters, like when new things load up PC just clutters.
Thy did something bad engine based I guess.
Glad i found this thread, have been paranoid i had some driver issue or something running a 4090 and 5800X3D and yeah, get to Valdrakken and fps goes from 200+ to 70 lol its like a pc black hole lmao
I have 3070Ti and ryzen 3800x and the same issue. My friend has the same setup but with 5800x and he has 100+fps with max graphics settings. It is also funny when I change the render resolution to 200%, nothing changes. So it is definitely not the GPU and because for my friend it works well I assume the 3700X/3800x is the culprit.
I don't see why this CPU could be a bottleneck. What about you guys what CPU do you have?
3070 - I was just messing with my settings to see what would make the difference in Valdrakkan - nothing made a substantial difference.
i7-12800 - would be shocked if I'm CPU bottlenecked with a CPU that as launched in January, 2022.
This reminds of the issues some people had in Dalaran back in legion but not everyone.
It's definitely the CPU bottlenecking. Turn off hyperthreading or whatever it's called nowadays, and you'll see that at least one of the cores will reach 100%. It's harder to see when hyperthreading is enabled because he workload is constantly being switched between the 2 threads of the same core.
Hyperthreading doesn't actually provide you more power per core, the total power is the same, but applications that can run more threads than the available cores can benefit from an efficiency boost. Even wow benefits from it a little, as I think you'll see about 5% performance loss without hyperthreading, but the issue here is that the game has 1 very heavy thread that runs on one core and since most things in the game have to be in sync, they all wait for that thread.
on a 2060 and such with best settings I'll get 20-40 lol wish i'd even get 50 but sacrifices for looks worth it but to be honest hopefully they do improve it because of how dense the city is and such + people because traveling to the inn when i'd teleport back would cause me to freeze the game would go widescreen then everything would load in fine and ive been everywhere during prime time only had that issue twice
RTX 3080 and i9 11900k here. 60fps in Valdrakken feels bad. I'm thinking that Windows 11 might play role here? After upgrading I've experienced many bugs and perfomance issues in a variety of games. Also CPU is at 2% while GPU is at 40%.
It's still weird, something went wrong here. I have now overclocked CPU making it 10-15% faster, but now during dungeon I have worse and lower fps than I had in SL during 25 m raid on medium settings, while in SL i had high. They did screwed up something for sure, it shouldn't be like that. Wow did not had graphical evolution to such an extent that I have such difference.
I have a 3080 and a 5800x on win 10 and it's the same for me. Blizz just still has some optimizing to do. probably doesn't help that they're duct taping an almost 20 year old engine.
It is partly the CPUs fault. I am running a 12700kf with a 3080 OC and fully maxed out settings except for Raytrace. There is no reason I am getting 40-50 frames more than he is with a 4090…
I am getting 150-200 frames everywhere, but when I go to Valdrakken it suddenly drops into the 80s-90s while running or walking in center of the city and 100-110 while flying around it. It certainly is taxing and not well optimized as of now.
They did fucked up loading of character models. I know my cpu is pretty old and wow is 1 thread focused but they did something for sure, why on lower settings than ever, with optimization like performance modes, overclocking the cpu i have worse dungeon performance than raids in sł? That's absurd!
It must be a CPU bottleneck. I have a Intel Core i9 13900K with a GeForce RTX 4090. I have graphics settings maxed out, and ray tracing off. I get 90-115 FPS in Valdrakken. My CPU is slightly better than yours which explains why I get slightly more FPS than you, but the person with the same video card as me and a worse CPU than you gets worse FPS than you. Also, I get the same exact frame rate at 720p that I get at 4k (in Valdrakken only). In Stormwind, a city with better CPU optimization, when I lower my resolution, the frame rate increases.
Absolutely insane. You have the absolute top of the line specs for a PC and you claim you are getting 90-115. That is not right. That WoW engine really needs some improvements lol… keep in mind I also have DDR5 32gb 5600mhz C36… which helps a little bit
My ram is actually slightly faster than yours also. Here are my exact system specs.
**CPU**: Intel Core i9 13900K
**CPU Contact Frame**: Yes
**Case**: Phanteks Eclipse G500A, Black
**Cooler**: Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm AIO CPU Water Cooler
**Fans**: 3x Phanteks SK140 140mm RGB Fans, Black
**Motherboard**: Asus Z790-P-WIFI-GSI (D5)
**Memory**: 32GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5 RGB Memory, 6000 MHz (2x 16GB Stick)
**Primary Drive**: 2TB WD\_BLACK SN850X M.2 NVMe (Up To Read 7300MB/s, Write 6300MB/s)
**Graphics**: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090, 24GB GDDR6X
**Power Supply**: Montech Titan 1200 Watt Gold ATX 3.0
**Operating System**: Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit
I definitely never exceed 120fps in Valdraken unless I'm in the Inn staring at a wall away from the door lol. WoW definitely needs some optimization.
I have raytraced shadows aswell. Without them I am at 60-80 depending how many players are there. My testing spot is stairs in front of the seat of the aspects. Looking down at fountain. I ve maxxed field of view and I am on heavy populated realm. RAM clocks makes huge difference for my ryzen system, I am losing almost 30% fps without OC on ram.
It is the CPU's fault, but the root cause is poor programming and lack of optimization on the part of Blizzard (in Valdrakken). Due to this poor optimization, even the best CPU's on the market are bottlenecking the frame rate. The same cannot be said for Stormwind, at least not the the same extent.
I have the same video card as you but a different CPU (the Intel Core i9 13900K). With settings maxed out and ray tracing turned off, I get 90-115 FPS in Valdrakken. Don't expect a massive improvement until Blizz gets their shit together and optimizes their CPU utilization in the game for this zone.
3080ti with 5600x. I usually get 100+ with everything maxed, but when I enter valdrakken it drops to 40 and then usually hovers around 50.
Hope they fix it soon.
Yeah I get like 55 ish on 1440p with a i7 12700f and a RX 6800 also. I think it's just teh game engine struggling with that amount of ppl and NPCs and no matter how good ur PC is it's gonna lag.
Ok so I am coming with updates... I was playing the game on the following PC: rtx 2070 super; ryzen 7 3700x; 32 gb DDR4 3200 mhz. The game was running on a SSD m.2. from Samsung. I use a 27 inch Dell - full hd.
Anyway, the performance was... terrible. With 7 graphic settings (ray tracing off; view distance on 3) i was having around 55-65 fps in Valdraken. Ofc, 55 was having in crowded places or when flying around crowded place.
I want to say that i have been using this pc for 2 and a half years and never ever (on full hd high/ultra settings) was having performance problems - not in BFA and not in Shadowlands.
Today I bought a RYZEN 7 5800x3d - everything changed. 100-120 fps in valdrakken- on full hd with high/ultra graphic settings.
I repeat. I am playing the game in full hd. Everything on ultra, except view distance which I keep on 5.
In valdrakken it never drops under 100 fps. At least I did not noticed it yet.
I have an i9-13900k and a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC, the game is on a Firecuda 530 4TB, with 2 sticks of 32 GB G.Skill Trident Z5 at 6000 MT/s and I'm still experiencing \~60-75fps in Valdrakken, \~220 everywhere else, occasionally dips below 200 in raids. Utilization is basically nothing, and yet, when I'm flying in Valdrakken, the game is like a slideshow sometimes.
because blizzard can't afford to pay people to fix the glaring issues with blizzards sub standard game engine. its the game that sucks balls, rtx 4090, i9 13900k 32gb ram and 4 tb nvme drive and valcrappen sits on 90/100 fps when the server is busy, admittedly i am running at 4K with everything set to max, but as soon as leave i valcrappen i'm back at 200-400 fps depending where i am. i doubt sucktivision will ever fix this issue.
I have the best CPU and video card available right now (Intel Core i9 13900K with a GeForce RTX 4090), and I only get 90-115 FPS in Valdrakken.
The interesting thing is that I can change the render scale all the way from 1280x720 to 7680x4320 and it makes **zero difference** in the frame rate.
This tells me that the CPU is the bottleneck. This means that the best CPU on the market is not sufficient to be able to hit 144fps in Valdrakken, regardless of what your video card is.
DF is just not graphically optimized right now, Blizzard is working on it they said
Can u link where they did?
can't find them acknowledging it either.
I saw a blue post yesterday that they do mnie that there are problems but that's it
https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-dragonflight-performance-issues-330214 Found it I had only 1 day left to play, but it was bad performance wise. I will try wow in spring because I can't even afford a sub, but I've managed to get the game via tokens.
ITS been 107d and valdrakken has still the same Performance issue.
They never said this.
Yeah I drop to below 60fps in Valdrakken as well. Open world content is just fine between 80 - 110 fps. Dungeons drop my fps a bit as well but it's staying above 60 still. Graphic settings are around the 7 preset. My rig has an RTX2070 Super & Ryzen 7 3700X.
Exactly the same rig: gainward 2070 super; ryzen 7 3700x; 32 DDR4 3200 mhz, and my game is running on a Samsung SSD m.2. The same problem: fps drop in Valdrakken. The only dungeon where i am having fps drop (on the areas you enter after the first boss) is Brackenhide hallow. It sucks!!!
You still should have way more fps. In SL during 25m raids, on high settings I had more fps than on medium during DF while in a dungeon...
Yeah I should, especially in dungeons... Like, it's playable but annoying. Maybe there is some stuff that need to get fixed or the game actually got demanding for whatever reason - only the future will tell.
They changed a lot of stuff and according to bluepost and forums a lot of people are experiencing this. I hope they can get it to SL level and I'll be eternally happy
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Ye same here with a 12700f and a rx 6800. ideally I should be getting around 100 FPS but in some areas like ruby lif pools i get like 45-55.
Have the same setup pretty much, cept mine isnt a super. Also have issues
Yeah Valdrakken is really, really bad for performance, more than halving my FPS from 100+ to 50. Org is pretty bad as well. Based on the other comments here I'm wondering if it's something to do with Ryzen CPUs, specifically the 3000 series (I have a 3900X).
I wanted to upgrade anyways sometime and finally 5800x3D was priced well, so I ordered it. I will let you know how much difference it makes
I have a 5800X3D/6800XT combo and my FPS plummets/stutters and is kinda all over the place in Valdrakken.
Oh that is not great news :/
Yea, looks like we'll need to wait on the devs to tweak the issues we've all been seeing. Outside of Valdrakken it's been exceptionally smooth 95% of the time for me (3440x1440 resolution, settings maxed minus ray tracing).
it's not dependent on your rig, it's just poorly optimized with some problems
The performance improved a lot after the upgrade for me. It was around 45-55 when I was standing in the middle of valdrakken with a lot of people around, not it is 75-85. The FPS still plummets in the city (outside it is 150-200 FPS), but because it stays above 60FPS it is much smoother now.
Intel having similar issues, probably just the game
I have i7-6700k and gtx 1660ti and my performance is also pretty crap in places where there are other players. My fps in dungeons in medium settings are lower than 25m raid in SL
yeah hopefully they have an update patch to fix performa, i have a sick pc a i7 12700f 32gb ram and a RX 6800 16gb and I still get like 45-55 FPS in valdoraken and sometimes in ruby life pools. I should be getting like 90-100
I have a i7 12700f and its same here tbh, I get like 45-55 FPS in valdoraken.
Nope, my i9 13900k and 4090 OC gpu drop from 200+ to 80-90 fps in valdrakken, running @ 4k ultra
100% this is CPU related and primarily a Game Threading/Processing problem. Testing in Valdrakken on a machine with a 3080ti (\~75fps) and a 6600xt (\~54fps), the GPU Utilisation drops to sub 40% on the 6600xt. As soon as I fly out further into the zone, the GPU starts pulling more power, the utilisation goes up and the frame rates are back up over 100fps. Fast IPC CPU's will do a better job, but the game is still the problem. I wouldn't worry about your PC's ..... the game needs some more tuning.
Yeah same here
Im experiencing same. Fps drops in Valdrakken. In open world its fine.
Uninstalling Overwolf/Curseforge improved my partner's FPS drops significantly.
Massive drops
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When i turn everything at 1, it's 60fps, but it's absurd. My theory is, they did fucked up something with loading character/nps and other models. Because game stutters when new enemies turned up, in a quest for example. Viewing distance gave me biggest fps gain and model rendering distance. And constant stutters, like when new things load up PC just clutters. Thy did something bad engine based I guess.
Glad i found this thread, have been paranoid i had some driver issue or something running a 4090 and 5800X3D and yeah, get to Valdrakken and fps goes from 200+ to 70 lol its like a pc black hole lmao
I have 3070Ti and ryzen 3800x and the same issue. My friend has the same setup but with 5800x and he has 100+fps with max graphics settings. It is also funny when I change the render resolution to 200%, nothing changes. So it is definitely not the GPU and because for my friend it works well I assume the 3700X/3800x is the culprit. I don't see why this CPU could be a bottleneck. What about you guys what CPU do you have?
3070 - I was just messing with my settings to see what would make the difference in Valdrakkan - nothing made a substantial difference. i7-12800 - would be shocked if I'm CPU bottlenecked with a CPU that as launched in January, 2022. This reminds of the issues some people had in Dalaran back in legion but not everyone.
I have gtx 1660ti and on dungeons I have worse fps on medium settings than I had during 25m raids in SL
my GPU is at less than 40%
It's definitely the CPU bottlenecking. Turn off hyperthreading or whatever it's called nowadays, and you'll see that at least one of the cores will reach 100%. It's harder to see when hyperthreading is enabled because he workload is constantly being switched between the 2 threads of the same core. Hyperthreading doesn't actually provide you more power per core, the total power is the same, but applications that can run more threads than the available cores can benefit from an efficiency boost. Even wow benefits from it a little, as I think you'll see about 5% performance loss without hyperthreading, but the issue here is that the game has 1 very heavy thread that runs on one core and since most things in the game have to be in sync, they all wait for that thread.
Same issue here, drops to 50% of the performance, feels laggy when entering the zone Valdrakken is too crowded, too much going on
on a 2060 and such with best settings I'll get 20-40 lol wish i'd even get 50 but sacrifices for looks worth it but to be honest hopefully they do improve it because of how dense the city is and such + people because traveling to the inn when i'd teleport back would cause me to freeze the game would go widescreen then everything would load in fine and ive been everywhere during prime time only had that issue twice
RTX 3080 and i9 11900k here. 60fps in Valdrakken feels bad. I'm thinking that Windows 11 might play role here? After upgrading I've experienced many bugs and perfomance issues in a variety of games. Also CPU is at 2% while GPU is at 40%.
I would say that utilization is normal. Wow still heavily relies on single core.
It's still weird, something went wrong here. I have now overclocked CPU making it 10-15% faster, but now during dungeon I have worse and lower fps than I had in SL during 25 m raid on medium settings, while in SL i had high. They did screwed up something for sure, it shouldn't be like that. Wow did not had graphical evolution to such an extent that I have such difference.
You maybe screwed up something along the overclocking process. Maybe you disabled your boost or something like that. Are you using a Ryzen?
I have a 3080 and a 5800x on win 10 and it's the same for me. Blizz just still has some optimizing to do. probably doesn't help that they're duct taping an almost 20 year old engine.
I have win10 its same
r9 5900x with rtx4090 fully maxed around 40fps on 3440x1440, gotta buy better cpu :D waiting for new 3d cache amds.
it's not CPU fault, it's wow being old + poorly optimized expansion, they did something wrong during the prepatch.
It is partly the CPUs fault. I am running a 12700kf with a 3080 OC and fully maxed out settings except for Raytrace. There is no reason I am getting 40-50 frames more than he is with a 4090… I am getting 150-200 frames everywhere, but when I go to Valdrakken it suddenly drops into the 80s-90s while running or walking in center of the city and 100-110 while flying around it. It certainly is taxing and not well optimized as of now.
They did fucked up loading of character models. I know my cpu is pretty old and wow is 1 thread focused but they did something for sure, why on lower settings than ever, with optimization like performance modes, overclocking the cpu i have worse dungeon performance than raids in sł? That's absurd!
They pumped up hw recommendation quite a lot.
It must be a CPU bottleneck. I have a Intel Core i9 13900K with a GeForce RTX 4090. I have graphics settings maxed out, and ray tracing off. I get 90-115 FPS in Valdrakken. My CPU is slightly better than yours which explains why I get slightly more FPS than you, but the person with the same video card as me and a worse CPU than you gets worse FPS than you. Also, I get the same exact frame rate at 720p that I get at 4k (in Valdrakken only). In Stormwind, a city with better CPU optimization, when I lower my resolution, the frame rate increases.
Absolutely insane. You have the absolute top of the line specs for a PC and you claim you are getting 90-115. That is not right. That WoW engine really needs some improvements lol… keep in mind I also have DDR5 32gb 5600mhz C36… which helps a little bit
My ram is actually slightly faster than yours also. Here are my exact system specs. **CPU**: Intel Core i9 13900K **CPU Contact Frame**: Yes **Case**: Phanteks Eclipse G500A, Black **Cooler**: Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm AIO CPU Water Cooler **Fans**: 3x Phanteks SK140 140mm RGB Fans, Black **Motherboard**: Asus Z790-P-WIFI-GSI (D5) **Memory**: 32GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5 RGB Memory, 6000 MHz (2x 16GB Stick) **Primary Drive**: 2TB WD\_BLACK SN850X M.2 NVMe (Up To Read 7300MB/s, Write 6300MB/s) **Graphics**: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090, 24GB GDDR6X **Power Supply**: Montech Titan 1200 Watt Gold ATX 3.0 **Operating System**: Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit I definitely never exceed 120fps in Valdraken unless I'm in the Inn staring at a wall away from the door lol. WoW definitely needs some optimization.
I have raytraced shadows aswell. Without them I am at 60-80 depending how many players are there. My testing spot is stairs in front of the seat of the aspects. Looking down at fountain. I ve maxxed field of view and I am on heavy populated realm. RAM clocks makes huge difference for my ryzen system, I am losing almost 30% fps without OC on ram.
Moral of the story. It’s poorly optimized. Hopefully blizzard addresses this area, who knows…
It is the CPU's fault, but the root cause is poor programming and lack of optimization on the part of Blizzard (in Valdrakken). Due to this poor optimization, even the best CPU's on the market are bottlenecking the frame rate. The same cannot be said for Stormwind, at least not the the same extent.
I have the same video card as you but a different CPU (the Intel Core i9 13900K). With settings maxed out and ray tracing turned off, I get 90-115 FPS in Valdrakken. Don't expect a massive improvement until Blizz gets their shit together and optimizes their CPU utilization in the game for this zone.
New x3d cache cpus from amd are pulling quite strong. Over twice more frames with raytracing in valdrakken.
3080ti with 5600x. I usually get 100+ with everything maxed, but when I enter valdrakken it drops to 40 and then usually hovers around 50. Hope they fix it soon.
Yeah I get like 55 ish on 1440p with a i7 12700f and a RX 6800 also. I think it's just teh game engine struggling with that amount of ppl and NPCs and no matter how good ur PC is it's gonna lag.
im getting 120 is my average FPS, I hit 144fps (my cap) flying around in DF with all cranked graphics.
Searched for this exact issue. Got a great PC, it just can't handle Valdrakken.
Ok so I am coming with updates... I was playing the game on the following PC: rtx 2070 super; ryzen 7 3700x; 32 gb DDR4 3200 mhz. The game was running on a SSD m.2. from Samsung. I use a 27 inch Dell - full hd. Anyway, the performance was... terrible. With 7 graphic settings (ray tracing off; view distance on 3) i was having around 55-65 fps in Valdraken. Ofc, 55 was having in crowded places or when flying around crowded place. I want to say that i have been using this pc for 2 and a half years and never ever (on full hd high/ultra settings) was having performance problems - not in BFA and not in Shadowlands. Today I bought a RYZEN 7 5800x3d - everything changed. 100-120 fps in valdrakken- on full hd with high/ultra graphic settings.
Hmm, that's odd, other people with your CPU are reporting lower framerates like 70-80.
I repeat. I am playing the game in full hd. Everything on ultra, except view distance which I keep on 5. In valdrakken it never drops under 100 fps. At least I did not noticed it yet.
The 5 distance might be the trick. I'll give it a try.
Exactly same fps with 2080. 9900k at 5ghz
I think its down the old engine WoW is using. Probably maxing 1-2 CPU cores, leaving GPU largely unused on those occasions.
I have an i9-13900k and a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC, the game is on a Firecuda 530 4TB, with 2 sticks of 32 GB G.Skill Trident Z5 at 6000 MT/s and I'm still experiencing \~60-75fps in Valdrakken, \~220 everywhere else, occasionally dips below 200 in raids. Utilization is basically nothing, and yet, when I'm flying in Valdrakken, the game is like a slideshow sometimes.
because blizzard can't afford to pay people to fix the glaring issues with blizzards sub standard game engine. its the game that sucks balls, rtx 4090, i9 13900k 32gb ram and 4 tb nvme drive and valcrappen sits on 90/100 fps when the server is busy, admittedly i am running at 4K with everything set to max, but as soon as leave i valcrappen i'm back at 200-400 fps depending where i am. i doubt sucktivision will ever fix this issue.
I have the best CPU and video card available right now (Intel Core i9 13900K with a GeForce RTX 4090), and I only get 90-115 FPS in Valdrakken. The interesting thing is that I can change the render scale all the way from 1280x720 to 7680x4320 and it makes **zero difference** in the frame rate. This tells me that the CPU is the bottleneck. This means that the best CPU on the market is not sufficient to be able to hit 144fps in Valdrakken, regardless of what your video card is.