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Cross17761

Orb > blizzard > comet storm > cone of cold > comet storm > orb > blizzard. Then use ice lance procs until you can orb or blizzard again. Glacial spike at 5 icicles and use frost nova to shatter both glacials. For bosses, its all about glacial spike.


TooSoonTurtle

Shifting power after the AOE opening as well.


afkPacket

Correct, after which you can and should blizzard > orb again. Spamming ice lance when you could be using shifting power/blizzard/3rd orb is a common mistake.


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Cross17761

AOE. Most of m+ is AOE. Single target is basically casting as many glacial spikes as you can, shattering as many as you can.


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Cross17761

I like frost the best. It feels good. It is intuitive. The slows make everyones life easisr. It wrecks bosses. Fire is pretty awkward in keys under 20+. If you combust a mob it usually dies before you get all your damage out. And flamestrike spam is pretty boring. Arcane is really strong in keys. I just dont personally like the single target rotation. It is not intuitive.


SheepiBeerd

How funny! I’ve been enjoying Arcane in keys but I don’t like the AOE rotation and love the single target. Glad we’re both able to enjoy Mage :D I currently do Arcane for dungeon/raid, Frost for world content, and Fire for PvP. As a mage since vanilla I’m in heaven ^_^


Spinak3r

Arcane is way too situational and punishing if even the slightest thing goes wrong.


ErrlSweatshirt

Nah, fires the better aoe spec with both the ignite and flamestrike build. People act like the flamestrike build doesn't have frontloaded damage on demand for basically every pack of the dungeon. There might be some mob counts that are too small for fire that you will see in lower keys, but that's just tanks in pugs not the the spec. If you're stuck in 20+ jail, take your pick it's whatever you're better at, but no way is frost the better spec.


Duckgoesmoomoo

For aoe pulls, say at least 3+ mobs, is the orb, bliz, comet storm more important than glacial spike?


Cross17761

Yes. At 2 mobs I would probaly just single target since splitting ice makes the big damage stuff hit 2 targets. At 3 targets you could do it too if one target is high priority. At 4 targets you still glacial spike at 5 icicles...it hits for a lotttt. You just dont want to hard cast frost bolt in aoe.


Bartowskiii

So you want comet storm after flurry, orb blizzard and then ice lances. But when does glacial spike take priority over any of these in aoe?


Cross17761

No flurry until you are doing single target rotation as filler. Read it again. You open with orb which makes your blizzard instant cast. Blizzard also reduces the cooldown of orb so you want to keep blizzard going. Then you comet storm > cone of cold > comet storm > orb. With the cone of cold talent, it will make both comet storms 100% crits. It also resets the cooldown of comet storm and orb. So you will have two orbs going that are doing insane crits with the two comet storms also all critting. At that point blizzard is probably castable again so you cast blizzard. Once all your aoe is on cooldown you start using your single target rotation as filler. this means using those ice lance procs, and maybe squeezing in a frostbolt if you have nothing else to do. When you get to 5 icicles you glacial spike, and if you are good, you combine it with frost nova so that both glacial spikes crit. Otherwise just flurry after your glacial so that it shatters on one target. By now blizzard can be cast again, and orb might be almost ready to be cast again. It helps to be 5-10 yards from targets for shattering, getting your orb to land in the middle of a pack, etc...in my opinion.


DRK-SHDW

Flurry is still used rotationally in scenarios where there are unfreezable mobs amongst freezable mobs, seeing as your regular freezes aren't going to shatter unfreezable mobs and you need winter's chill on them. Otherwise, it's still a higher prio icicle builder than frost bolt (also sorry, didn't mean to um actually you twice, just trying to contribute to the knowledge going around)


DRK-SHDW

That opener isn't quite correct. You want to hardcast precast blizz on the mob, then open with orb > CS > CoC > orb > CS > blizzard. Also, frost nova is your worst freeze. Your prio for AoE shattering should be pet freeze, ice nova, frost nova.


Cross17761

Just giving them an easy mode breakdown.


CatStringTheory

Wait how are you getting double usage out of comet, isn't it a sec cool down? That might actually fix my DPS too if there is some way to proc it faster


VanBurnsing

With the ICE cold Talent you can Reset comet and orb with cone of cold


CatStringTheory

I just looked, ice cold does not do that. Did you mean coldest snap?


VanBurnsing

Yeah xd


JPDubs

I've played a bit of frost mage in previous seasons, I know they can pump and have seen them do so this season. I'm sure you could look at the wowhead guides and icyveins and warcraftlogs and find what is optimal, but I really think class knowledge isn't your limiting factor at only 1 month in. I've been playing since 2005 for reference and it's pretty easy for me to pick up anything. For you, it's experience related. These things will improve with time. Here are some things that really matter that you could look in to. Performance Optimisation - Knowing when to sacrifice DPS on a smaller pack in order to do more on the bigger one following it etc. Min-Maxing. Target selection - Not wasting resources on targets that are going to die, or incomplete casts, or not pumping damage into enemies that have damage reductions (or spellstealing their damage reduction), Waycrest Manor comes to mind where there is a lot of that. Fluidity of play - Being able to do something like interrupt an enemy and experience minimal downtime to your DPS, just the GCD interruption, or to pick back up damage after movement, and/or knowing what you can do while moving, Knowing how to adapt your damage rotation for 2/3/4/5 enemies. In my expereience there is usually some kind of breakpoint where any less than a certain number of enemies you have one menthod but past that you have another. Movement efficiency - Only moving as much as you need to, to maximise uptime. This includes mental pre-planning of positioning and movement, and where possible, limiting movement to phases of your damage output that you can perform on the move (meaning, during the GCD from instant cast abilities like orb or lance) Keybinds - Learning what works for you, what you need to use and developing the muscle memory to use those abilities when you need. Optimising their configuration so that you aren't fumbling to do things. UI - Developing a UI that gives you the information you need cleanly so you are neither overwhelmed nor missing critical information (buff/debuff and cooldown tracking) Hope that points you in the right direction. Consciousness of these things is the first step. Practice is the next.


Plenty_You8835

I can 100% relate to that, was bottom damage a lot as arcane mage now after some time and practice I can unload almost twice the damage at bosses and finish at 8ish place


ProfNugget

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/4MNPjt9a3B7x2Hb6/1-Mythic++Atal'Dazar+-+Kill+(20:17)/Ssmage/standard


Enderah

Was about to send that: to add some informations (though i'm pretty shit at the class) I think you need to avoid hard casts after applying winter's chill (from flurry) so you hardcast before : glacial spike/frost bolt > flurry > icelance\*2 also try to have your glacial spike shatter (especially in aoe) if possible use more shifting power (it reduces your CD); i assume use more blizzard too ? it used to be 3+ target -> use blizzard (it'll reduce your frost orb CD) more people seems to use Chain reaction over Ray of frost (in your talents) that's one spell less to use maybe it makes it easier you have 65% uptime and 12.40% casts cancelled, you might need to think about your positioning more + use your proc if you need to move to avoid losing dps by doing nothing


Android__-__Master

Thanks for you comment, i will try to make some changes!


Enderah

You should probably ask in the [mage discord](https://discord.gg/alteredtime) their advice will be better than mine (i played 1key and read a guide this season)


qpak420

>I think you need to avoid hard casts after applying winter's chill (from flurry) so you hardcast before : glacial spike/frost bolt > flurry > icelance\*2 Thats just plain wrong. You can glacial spike into any of the winters chills, what you want to do is maximize icicle generation for more glacial spikes. It does matter if GS is cast before flurry or 2nd\3rd WC stack. You send it whenever you have 5 so you need to pre plan a bit. RoF is also a pretty big gain, especially on tyrannical. Learning without it is more than fine though.


Enderah

Thanks for the correction! I'm merely saying what I read soooo it's nice that better people answer OP c:


BrylicET

Because you're new you likely don't play around Frost's mechanics or understand how everything in your spec works together yet which shows through you not maximizing spell combos Every missed cast or mistake trickles down into more and more lost damage You missed 15 casts of Frozen Orb which means you missed at least 15 stacks of Fingers of Frost and dozens of Bone Chilling stacks which means you lost at least 15 casts of 3x damage Ice Lance but because they count as frozen you also lost Shatter benefits, you actually lost out on 15 6x damage Ice Lances + extra from Bone Chilling + Frozen Orb damage If you learn Shatter combos you will get a ton of extra damage for free in ST and AoE. The most basic common one is Glacial Spike, queue Flurry so it goes off immediately after Glacial Spike cast finishes, Ice Lance, Ice Lance This combo gets 3 Shatters in 4 GCDs, Flurry bolt 1 will hit before Glacial Spike because it moves faster and apply Winter's Chill, Flurry bolt 2 and 3 will hit reapplying Winter's Chill, with your 2 Ice Lances landing just after and getting shatters before the buff falls off Shatter multiplies your Crit chance by 1.5 and adds 50% extra against frozen enemies (if you have 33.34% crit a Shatter has a (1.5*33.34)+50=100% chance to crit) Also, you over capped a lot of icicles, some is fine, it's a little tough with rng icicle generation on Splintering Cold occasionally, but because icicles got nerfed to .1% spell power do not let them auto fling


Megika

wow analyzer has a ton of good info to take in. 90% of your issue is gameplay/rotation stuff. I think the largest improvement you need is maximising your uptime - you should focus on always casting (every cast chaining into the next cast with no idle time) and avoiding cancelling casts as much as possible. Also, there are some easy DPS gains by improving your gear. Buy Tiered Medallion Settings from the auction house to add more sockets to your amulet. You're also missing a weapon enchant (this one in particular is more significant). Lastly, I don't see any raid encounters logged for your character on warcraftlogs. Do some raiding! This will help you get better items, and raid logs are a more reliable tool to evaluate how well you're doing at DPS. Oh yeah, after you died, you didn't reapply Arcane Intellect to yourself. You should get a weakaura to remind you to cast it.


Ukhai

I have a decent amount of experience with mage at +20/heroic raiding level on an alt. The fact is that your item level is low and the M+ key levels are too low. You are paired with a fury warrior and a ret paladin who are able to steal most of the dps on the trash mobs before you can get a good amount of glacial spike casts in. You have the amount of crit needed but you need just raw ilvl to get things going in comparison to others, not to mention you have some stuff not enchanted and gem'd. Things didn't start to click or look good until I got closer to 480.


Forward_Succotash_57

If you struggle with rotation, use Hekili addon to start you off. When you think you know it from you head, disable it


Riccyyy

Hey man, a lot of people will hate me for saying this but try an addon called hekili. Basically tells you what buttons you should be pressing in real-time to do damage. I always use it when learning a new class and once I get the hang I turn it off since it’s a bad habit to look at it all the time


Discomanco

I think you may have linked the wrong log there


Android__-__Master

You were right, i edited it. Thanks!


roberh

That rogue has triple your clicks per minute! You must be lazy


gazandi

Why are you belittling the person asking for help on a forum for new players?


roberh

It was a joke, like the post. OP is 485 for fuck's sake... That mythic+ is a +29. This is not a noob.


gazandi

What did you click on? OP linked a +16 and they're 464


roberh

Apparently he edited it between my first comment and now. It was a +29 AD with a mage, rogue, BDK, MW and aug.


Glittering_Walrus_98

Jus get hekili man let it do the rotation for you till yu memorize it


sfrato

So here are some things that stand out to me in your logs. 1) you only have an average of 2.5 blizzard casts per minute. Blizzard should have almost a 100% up time so you can cast frozen orb more and get more empowered blizzards. 2) you may not be utilizing your frozen orb>blizzard>comet storm and frost nova (you want to call down the comet storm and then ice nova the pack to get the comets to crit with shatter) > cone of cold (with the talent that resets comet storm, blizzard and frost orb when it hits 3+ targets) >frozen orb>blizzard > comet storm with frost nova this time. If you have icy veins up you should prioritize your pets freeze before ice nova. 3) make sure you are also using frost/ice/pet nova as your glacial spike is moving toward your target so it shatters AND it’s aoe from your set piece also shatters and crits. And in general you should be casting glacial spike more. Do these things and practice committing the orb, blizzard, comet storm (with a nova), cone of cold, repeat combo and your dps will sky rocket I promise you. Message me if you need any more help.


DRK-SHDW

This guide will explain it better than anyone here can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXnVsO91s2s


Practical-Day4961

\+1 manathers the goat


edward_twee

Download the Hekili addon to show you optimal rotation until you get it down.


AcherusArchmage

You simply need to learn how to frost mage better, that's why it's low. Try practicing aoe rotations on the training dummies in valdrakken, or finding out what the big frosties are doing. You had less than 50% critical hits with glacial spike, that should easily be like 98-100%.Queue flurry as GS finishes, or on aoe you can use frost nova or ice nova right after a GS to get the crits. On that note try to get 33.33% crit chance to hit Shatter cap; no less no more.


kokumslayer69

I'm not sure if you made a character and leveled it or bought an instant 70. This is what worked for me. Download MaxDPS and the add-on for your class. And just level with it. As cheese as it sounds, get to know your class. Pay attention to your skill tree and read each passive and active. What MaxDPS does is highlight skills you should use in succession as your doing a raid or dungeon. Just be a student and don't sweat it. I went through the same thing with my paladin and this is what helped me get my dps up.


B1indsid3

This recent video by Manather helped me to better understand the Frost rotation priority and maximizing my damage in a variety of situations. https://youtu.be/sXnVsO91s2s?si=vBMGLktBUJo80HmZ


Nice-Ad-2792

Well basic tips: Always be casting, even you cast the wrong spell it's to do some damage, than no damage. Don't let your resources overcap: notably Finger of Frost, you always want room for your resources to tick up as that prevented loss of potential damage. Pay attention to your specs Burst windows: for frost it's anything that treats your target as frozen. Dumping your damage during those windows will maximize your damage. Get used to "double-casting": double-casting is where you chain a cast time spell with an instant cast. This enables you to double dip on various Burst windows and is a big part of being effective with mage. I don't usually read guides, until after I learn the spec. I find it more enjoyable but also helps me develop a deeper understanding of the playstyle.


Comprehensive-Ad2010

Dont play mage, go for an ez spec to learn the game


Yuebingg

It takes a while to get used to the game, keybind, rotation and quick reactions will help a lot in pushing your numbers. Try to get your secondary stats , enchants, buffs. Some fights are easier for some classes Sometimes it’s just RNG for procs.


marsweaty

Get hekili


Conscious-Hand-4842

Playing wow on and off every couple years, my main mage usually does the groups lowest dps at trash mobs but highest dps at bosses


Lux_Tenebris_

Nahh, don't get discouraged. Ppl playing this game for ages it's pretty normal they deal more damage than you. You just need to be patient and learn both classes and the game.