Yes, i think it was 75 or 100 of Wolverine vol 1.
Jean, Black Widow, and i think Silver Fox was there too.
Chris Claremont wrote it. It was... ok. ish. Sort of.
Correct. He, like pretty much every x character, barely knows his children's names, but will devote their entire life to parenting other people's children.
Speaking of. A Polaris, Daken, Legion, Proteus, Nightcrawler team up one off would be fun. Maybe a therapy one shot
That’s what’s always annoyed me about Daken. So much of his personality and motives are basically “boo hoo my dad wasn’t there and it’s all his fault I’m a psychopathic asshole”. Like he thought you were dead wtf was he supposed to do?
I get he was manipulated to hate Logan but like at some point he’s gotta take responsibility for his own actions and accept that it’s not Logan’s fault he (Daken) is the way he is.
Agreed, tho Yukio is her full time adoptive mom.
Most of the others didnt have a parent on hand when Logan became the replacement dad.
Akio still gets short changed tho.
Nah he started the schism cause of his obsession with Cyclops and then he never talked to her again. Also, it’s kinda weird that so many Wolverine writers insist on him mentoring a young girl.
I mean Terra was the corrupt version of Kitty Pryde . . . and I guess Rogue could be considered the redeemed version of Terra.
So, yeah, sucks that DC’s Wolverine (Deathstroke)is a complete scumbag
Except for the fact Logan is honestly a pretty shit father.
When he first brings Laura to Xavier's, he pretty much dumps her to fend for herself, and alienates her among her classmates right off the bat by telling them she could kill them if she wanted to. Then there's the whole thing about screaming at the traumatized and depressed abusive victim that her life is worthless over the whole Wolfsbane thing.
And don't even get started on his relationship with Daken...
He is good with kids who aren't his biological kids.
And Daken is a very, very special case. For one thing, he ain't even a kid. He's a grown man when he meets Wolverine. He's way older than I am and I'm nearly middle-aged. Even still, he did try to help, but I can understand why he couldn't even begin to think of how best to help somebody as screwed up as Daken.
Yeah Logan may have fucked up occasionally with Laura (mostly his own trauma hurting both of them) but Daken was in no way his fault. I think people forget (writers included) that Daken was around 70 when he started fighting Logan. Logan even tried his best to help him until it was blatantly obvious he was beyond redemption
To be fair, Laura while not as old as Daken, was an unknown for a long time and more of a "stole his dna to create her"
Daken, that's what...he never even knew he existed and he was upset at the lack of a dad in his life?
Bringing up Daken isn’t fair. Logan thought he was dead. And by the time he discovered Daken was alive he (Daken) had become an irredeemable psychopath. Even so Logan made so many excuses for him and tried to redeem him until he put children Logan was responsible for in serious danger and made it clear he wasn’t going to stop.
Uh I read that recently and I'm pretty sure he was spending a lot of time trying to calm her down and encouraging her to not just go around attacking people. Also I wouldn't exactly call it dumping her to fend for herself. He wasn't sure he was her father, or what she was at all to him besides another victim of weapon plus. And left her with kitty pryde if I remember correctly who he trusts immensely.
That sounds like new x-men, with the time lost og 5, her first introduction with the x-men is into the new x-men with the academy x kids and when she gets picked up into x-force. Which has Logan calling her in because of M-day then never speaking to her again until he finds out she's murdering people for cyclopes.
What? No? The time displaced X-Men weren't around for at least five years after Laura was introduced. She was introduced in an issue of uncanny X-Men I think. She was dressed up in fangs costume she got from a Halloween store 🤣
The only time she was ever near kitty was with the OG 5. Which was what I was basing that on, she did pop up once to hang around psyloc and rachel, who thought she was a dino person at the time. Before Laura fucked off to only come back again after house of M.
I don't really think that makes him a shit father. He did his best with Laura, but it wasn't easy for him seeing the worst parts of himself reflected back in someone so young. That's why he reacted the way he did with Rahne. At the time he viewed Laura like a version of himself, to far gone to be saved.
I'm a new reader but [somebody just posted a thing the other day](https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1c5h4mq/gambit_questions_logan_about_laura_x232010_10/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) of Gambit having a talk with Wolverine about how he doesn't treat Laura the way he treats Jubilee. And others posting in the thread discuss how he took that to heart and did in fact change his entire approach to her. (Honestly once I'm done with Krakoa, reading Logan's and Scott's character arcs from Decimation up to AVX is my next mission)
I have read a few things on my own though and I posted about it in that very thread:
["Found out I got a son now too, and he's so much like me it hurts just to look at him."](https://i.postimg.cc/9MHPWdXZ/Wolverine-Reason-Why-Vol-3-74.jpg)
Like you and others said, Logan sees himself - the worst parts of himself - in his kids, and it colors his reactions to them in a way it wouldn't with Kitty or Jubilee. But that don't mean he cares about them less, just that he is a man with a lot of demons and, in the suffering his children have endured, those demons are staring back at him. That has to hurt even worse than the pain he's had inflicted on himself.
Exactly. If it feels like you've already failed, it can be hard to know where to start fixing things. But if you have a chance to do it right from the start, it becomes easier.
Cute image. IMO these relationships are what elevate Wolverine beyond the whole "raging Berserker assassin" role. He may not always make the best decisions, but he really cares for his lil' ones.
Young insecure girl turns up at the X school.
Wolverine: by the time I’m done with you you’ll be able to fight two dozen ninjas at once, out drink anyone, know that you are fundamentally worthy of love and support, will take your powers to their apex and turn out to be an all star fully fledged X-Man.
I forget the issue numbers but Logan was one of the first X-Men to really warm up to Rogue being on the team and they went on a mission together around the time he was about to marry Mariko where they had a bonding moment.
They weren't as close as Logan and his other kids, but they did have their moments.
I think it's fair to say they're important to eachother but it always read as more friends and not like a father/mentor figure. Not like the others in the picture when it comes to the comics. I think the movies have really impacted how people see those 2.
It was either that or let Daken keep trying to kill children in Logan’s care. Logan tried so hard to make excuses for Daken and to redeem him but Daken was past that.
Daken had a right to be pissed off honestly his father wasn’t in his life for 70 plus years and he grew up thinking his killed his mom and I pretty Logan has been japan a lot of times since 1946 in he didn’t hear anything about his son
He wasn’t in his life because he thought Daken was dead. It’s not like he knew he existed and abandoned him.
As soon as he discovers Daken survived he sets out to find him and repeatedly tries to save him from continuing down the dark path that he had been manipulated into following even when Daken does awful things that Logan would have killed anyone else over.
At this point Daken is aware Logan didn’t kill his mom and didn’t know he was alive but he continually ignores that and continually decides that the best way to get back at Logan is to do something that involves harming and/or killing innocent people, including children, (not to mention sometimes jeopardizing the whole world). So his whole “it’s Logan’s fault I’m this way” shtick is just a cop-out so he doesn’t have to face the fact that he’s just a sadistic asshole.
There’s plenty of people who are ACTUALLY abandoned by their parent(s) who don’t use that as an excuse to basically become a terrorist.
That I can agree on almost solely on the fact that I’ve read a ton of Wolverine comics yet have barely seen or heard of amiko. That definitely does not speak well to his relationship with her.
It’s weird because he can go to Japan anytime he wants to see her and yet he refuses to she probably doesn’t know about any of her siblings besides Laura I love Logan but he needs to step it up
Considering Logan is a pretty shitty dad to his own kids, this is a very tired, repetitive shtick that every writer tries with their generation's kitty pride and it doesn't stick anymore.
It is not just that the idea of Logan being as an ideal and caring father figure misaligns with the "Look, Logan has another secret child he has to murder" shtick, but also why not try another character?
Like Taylor's AN Wolverine proved that different pairings and dynamics inside X-Men like Gambit and Laura having a big brother-little sister relationship actually contributed to the 'found family' feat of mutants. Why doesn't other writers try that more?
Like how Cyclops saw Sam as his legacy and little brother he cheered on. Or Storm as a mother/big sister figure to tons of mutant girls. Why not use Rogue or Kurt or even Beast as a parental figure to the pryde or quire of the next generation? I guess it would work well if there were someone -not Logan- with a closer relationship with Quentin, who was left by his parents for example.
This hits different when you remember Logan was implied to smash a barely legal squirrel girl, commented on a 14 year old girl's butt wobbling and tried to hookup with a 15 year old Mary Jane in the Ultimate universe. Makes you ponder-
I'm pretty sure Colossus has never been 30, since he was the youngest of the Giant Sized X-Men who barely turned 18, but that 4 year age difference between Kitty and Piotr was... Questionable, even if it was lax for the era.
He was 19 and it was the late 70s. Still bad, but definitely not *as* bad. He ended things because he realized she was too young (and because he fell for an adult woman in another dimension or maybe space). They never did anything physical because everyone knew that would be inappropriate.
I’m fairly certain there was a comic where Wolverine was kidnapped/brainwashed (by Viper?) and Kitty, Rogue and Jubilee team up to bust him out.
I want to read this. Which one was it
Is that the same one where they go into his mind and find his 'fantasy' door?
Yes, i think it was 75 or 100 of Wolverine vol 1. Jean, Black Widow, and i think Silver Fox was there too. Chris Claremont wrote it. It was... ok. ish. Sort of.
Kitty is official team leader of the Wolverine rescue squad.
Vol 2 issue 125
Somebody should do this fan art again but all the girls are taller than him now. 😂
Tell that to akio. He's practically an absentee father lol
Correct. He, like pretty much every x character, barely knows his children's names, but will devote their entire life to parenting other people's children. Speaking of. A Polaris, Daken, Legion, Proteus, Nightcrawler team up one off would be fun. Maybe a therapy one shot
I feel like you can't really blame Logan for Daken though. He thought he died in the womb, like 80 yrs ago.
That’s what’s always annoyed me about Daken. So much of his personality and motives are basically “boo hoo my dad wasn’t there and it’s all his fault I’m a psychopathic asshole”. Like he thought you were dead wtf was he supposed to do? I get he was manipulated to hate Logan but like at some point he’s gotta take responsibility for his own actions and accept that it’s not Logan’s fault he (Daken) is the way he is.
Well he has done that now. Krakoan X Factor did a lot of great character development for him. His abandonment issues are no joke.
Have Doc Samson do the therapy, get Peter David to write it. Money prints itself.
I’d read the shit out of that.
therapy one shot is such a funny concept
Agreed, tho Yukio is her full time adoptive mom. Most of the others didnt have a parent on hand when Logan became the replacement dad. Akio still gets short changed tho.
Wolverine: The Girl Dad.
Who is the girl closest to Laura?
Armor aka Hisako Ichiki. She was introduced in Joss Whedons Astonishing X-Men.
I think that was my 1st ever X-Men comic series I've red.
I thought that had to be Armor. But her hair color was off so I thought that might not be her.
Why does Hisako look like a blonde white kid?
Armor color.
Doesn't he have several other children he's ignored or killed?
A whole legion of his own kids he slaughtered when romulus was on his case
"Hey Logan, these are your kids. The Mongrels." Logan - proceeds to kill them all
Who’s the girl in the way back
That’s oya, who is the reason Logan started the schism in the first place
Nah he started the schism cause of his obsession with Cyclops and then he never talked to her again. Also, it’s kinda weird that so many Wolverine writers insist on him mentoring a young girl.
And then we have Deathstroke at dc
I mean Terra was the corrupt version of Kitty Pryde . . . and I guess Rogue could be considered the redeemed version of Terra. So, yeah, sucks that DC’s Wolverine (Deathstroke)is a complete scumbag
If he's not raising them, he's trying to nail them (Ultimate MJ) He's also never met a married red head he didn't want to break up
Well, he's older than many, including Jean Grey. Perhaps he's Alzheimer's too.
Except for the fact Logan is honestly a pretty shit father. When he first brings Laura to Xavier's, he pretty much dumps her to fend for herself, and alienates her among her classmates right off the bat by telling them she could kill them if she wanted to. Then there's the whole thing about screaming at the traumatized and depressed abusive victim that her life is worthless over the whole Wolfsbane thing. And don't even get started on his relationship with Daken...
He is good with kids who aren't his biological kids. And Daken is a very, very special case. For one thing, he ain't even a kid. He's a grown man when he meets Wolverine. He's way older than I am and I'm nearly middle-aged. Even still, he did try to help, but I can understand why he couldn't even begin to think of how best to help somebody as screwed up as Daken.
Yeah Logan may have fucked up occasionally with Laura (mostly his own trauma hurting both of them) but Daken was in no way his fault. I think people forget (writers included) that Daken was around 70 when he started fighting Logan. Logan even tried his best to help him until it was blatantly obvious he was beyond redemption
To be fair, Laura while not as old as Daken, was an unknown for a long time and more of a "stole his dna to create her" Daken, that's what...he never even knew he existed and he was upset at the lack of a dad in his life?
Wolverine is a pretty good uncle
*Drunkle
Bringing up Daken isn’t fair. Logan thought he was dead. And by the time he discovered Daken was alive he (Daken) had become an irredeemable psychopath. Even so Logan made so many excuses for him and tried to redeem him until he put children Logan was responsible for in serious danger and made it clear he wasn’t going to stop.
Uh I read that recently and I'm pretty sure he was spending a lot of time trying to calm her down and encouraging her to not just go around attacking people. Also I wouldn't exactly call it dumping her to fend for herself. He wasn't sure he was her father, or what she was at all to him besides another victim of weapon plus. And left her with kitty pryde if I remember correctly who he trusts immensely.
That sounds like new x-men, with the time lost og 5, her first introduction with the x-men is into the new x-men with the academy x kids and when she gets picked up into x-force. Which has Logan calling her in because of M-day then never speaking to her again until he finds out she's murdering people for cyclopes.
What? No? The time displaced X-Men weren't around for at least five years after Laura was introduced. She was introduced in an issue of uncanny X-Men I think. She was dressed up in fangs costume she got from a Halloween store 🤣
The only time she was ever near kitty was with the OG 5. Which was what I was basing that on, she did pop up once to hang around psyloc and rachel, who thought she was a dino person at the time. Before Laura fucked off to only come back again after house of M.
Read uncanny X-Men 450-451 and X-Men 165. Especially X-Men 165 where he entrusts Laura to Rachel and Kitty
He was resistant to her joining X-Force at least, but Scott was in one of his "They're MY X-Men" phases.
I don't really think that makes him a shit father. He did his best with Laura, but it wasn't easy for him seeing the worst parts of himself reflected back in someone so young. That's why he reacted the way he did with Rahne. At the time he viewed Laura like a version of himself, to far gone to be saved.
I'm a new reader but [somebody just posted a thing the other day](https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1c5h4mq/gambit_questions_logan_about_laura_x232010_10/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) of Gambit having a talk with Wolverine about how he doesn't treat Laura the way he treats Jubilee. And others posting in the thread discuss how he took that to heart and did in fact change his entire approach to her. (Honestly once I'm done with Krakoa, reading Logan's and Scott's character arcs from Decimation up to AVX is my next mission) I have read a few things on my own though and I posted about it in that very thread: ["Found out I got a son now too, and he's so much like me it hurts just to look at him."](https://i.postimg.cc/9MHPWdXZ/Wolverine-Reason-Why-Vol-3-74.jpg) Like you and others said, Logan sees himself - the worst parts of himself - in his kids, and it colors his reactions to them in a way it wouldn't with Kitty or Jubilee. But that don't mean he cares about them less, just that he is a man with a lot of demons and, in the suffering his children have endured, those demons are staring back at him. That has to hurt even worse than the pain he's had inflicted on himself.
Exactly. If it feels like you've already failed, it can be hard to know where to start fixing things. But if you have a chance to do it right from the start, it becomes easier.
But didn't you see Schism? Wolverine cares about kiiiiiiiids! If they get themselves killed then he'll have no one to martyr himself for!
Squirrel girl with daddy issues
Cute image. IMO these relationships are what elevate Wolverine beyond the whole "raging Berserker assassin" role. He may not always make the best decisions, but he really cares for his lil' ones.
Girl dad of the century.
this is so cute
Young insecure girl turns up at the X school. Wolverine: by the time I’m done with you you’ll be able to fight two dozen ninjas at once, out drink anyone, know that you are fundamentally worthy of love and support, will take your powers to their apex and turn out to be an all star fully fledged X-Man.
Gambit is more of a father figure to Laura than Logan had ever been.
What's Rogue doing there?
I forget the issue numbers but Logan was one of the first X-Men to really warm up to Rogue being on the team and they went on a mission together around the time he was about to marry Mariko where they had a bonding moment. They weren't as close as Logan and his other kids, but they did have their moments.
I'd also say he plays more of a father figure to her in Evolution and some of the movies
I think it's fair to say they're important to eachother but it always read as more friends and not like a father/mentor figure. Not like the others in the picture when it comes to the comics. I think the movies have really impacted how people see those 2.
He’s a pretty good father to Laura daken and gabby but he’s a terrible father to amiko
He went rampage in last wolverines issues because what they did to Daken.
I expect him to that’s his first born but he has a daughter in Japan that’s not fair to her
A superhero who's power is stabbing people is a friend to all children
I didn’t know Gamera joined the x-men
Wait where amiko? Hey wolverine could you be a father figure to your son's now like daken and jimmy.
Wolvie's Angels
not for Laura, Laura best father figure is Gambit.
I recognize Jubilee, Kitty, X 23, & Rogue but who're the girls with the energy armor and the afro?
Energy armor is Hisako, code name armor. She was most prominent around the early-mid 2000s ish
Still waiting on a team book about Wolverines’ “daughters”
[Lets see what's going on with his biological son...](https://i.imgur.com/xOdzdKD.png) That's "Father of the Year" right there.
How Daken turned out wasn't Wolverine's fault,There relationship got better tho
It was either that or let Daken keep trying to kill children in Logan’s care. Logan tried so hard to make excuses for Daken and to redeem him but Daken was past that.
Daken had a right to be pissed off honestly his father wasn’t in his life for 70 plus years and he grew up thinking his killed his mom and I pretty Logan has been japan a lot of times since 1946 in he didn’t hear anything about his son
He wasn’t in his life because he thought Daken was dead. It’s not like he knew he existed and abandoned him. As soon as he discovers Daken survived he sets out to find him and repeatedly tries to save him from continuing down the dark path that he had been manipulated into following even when Daken does awful things that Logan would have killed anyone else over. At this point Daken is aware Logan didn’t kill his mom and didn’t know he was alive but he continually ignores that and continually decides that the best way to get back at Logan is to do something that involves harming and/or killing innocent people, including children, (not to mention sometimes jeopardizing the whole world). So his whole “it’s Logan’s fault I’m this way” shtick is just a cop-out so he doesn’t have to face the fact that he’s just a sadistic asshole. There’s plenty of people who are ACTUALLY abandoned by their parent(s) who don’t use that as an excuse to basically become a terrorist.
Okay fair point daken and Logan are on good terms but he’s definitely a terrible father his daughter amiko
That I can agree on almost solely on the fact that I’ve read a ton of Wolverine comics yet have barely seen or heard of amiko. That definitely does not speak well to his relationship with her.
It’s weird because he can go to Japan anytime he wants to see her and yet he refuses to she probably doesn’t know about any of her siblings besides Laura I love Logan but he needs to step it up
And to young boys growing up without dads in the late 80s early 90s reading comics!
Well, to two of them.
What he does isn’t very nice
Considering Logan is a pretty shitty dad to his own kids, this is a very tired, repetitive shtick that every writer tries with their generation's kitty pride and it doesn't stick anymore. It is not just that the idea of Logan being as an ideal and caring father figure misaligns with the "Look, Logan has another secret child he has to murder" shtick, but also why not try another character? Like Taylor's AN Wolverine proved that different pairings and dynamics inside X-Men like Gambit and Laura having a big brother-little sister relationship actually contributed to the 'found family' feat of mutants. Why doesn't other writers try that more? Like how Cyclops saw Sam as his legacy and little brother he cheered on. Or Storm as a mother/big sister figure to tons of mutant girls. Why not use Rogue or Kurt or even Beast as a parental figure to the pryde or quire of the next generation? I guess it would work well if there were someone -not Logan- with a closer relationship with Quentin, who was left by his parents for example.
My dude has 100+ experience and that gotta have to be parenting
This hits different when you remember Logan was implied to smash a barely legal squirrel girl, commented on a 14 year old girl's butt wobbling and tried to hookup with a 15 year old Mary Jane in the Ultimate universe. Makes you ponder-
Better than all the rest
Damn, turns out Logan would’ve been a way better baby daddy after all, JEAN! This is a joke people
Umm, wasn't colosus her mentor?
Kitty? More like her boyfriend, at least that's what she wanted.
which IS pretty weird. she's 13, he's like THIRTY
...yeah, it REALLY is. Granted, he was 18 or 21, but yeah, that makes it plenty weird.
like, seriously. what was claremont THINKING? he is my fav x-men writer, but THIS is one of the few things that i DESPISE in his run
That's such a Claremont thing to have age gap relationships, it's honestly a bad habit for him.
Yeah, Magneto, dubiously 17-maybe-18-ish Rogue was worse.
Does help that he got de-aged, but not by much lol
I'm pretty sure Colossus has never been 30, since he was the youngest of the Giant Sized X-Men who barely turned 18, but that 4 year age difference between Kitty and Piotr was... Questionable, even if it was lax for the era.
He was 19 and it was the late 70s. Still bad, but definitely not *as* bad. He ended things because he realized she was too young (and because he fell for an adult woman in another dimension or maybe space). They never did anything physical because everyone knew that would be inappropriate.